Just checking.
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Topic: Just checking.
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: Just checking.
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 4:34pm
| Its pretty much the end of the year, so what do you think of your president? |
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 4:38pm
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Well, it looks like we're in 100% agreence.... ------------- 
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 4:58pm
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i have a feeling this thread may turn out bad
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 5:37pm
actually, its more than a feeling. especially when i hear that old song they used to play |
slackerr26 wrote:Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 6:47pm
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Meh.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 6:48pm
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He hasn't really done anything good or bad. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 6:50pm
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I'm going to go ahead and wait for him to actually do something before I pass judgment. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 6:57pm
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I went with "meh" because of his general lack of accomplishments at this time and because while I disagree with many of his positions he has tried to do a few things that are good ideas.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 7:03pm
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I am with the "mehs".
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Posted By: TinMan
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 8:55pm
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I like him.
I didn't vote as I'm not from the US, but I like him.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 9:46pm
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meh. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 28 November 2009 at 10:46pm
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i like him as a person, he seems like a pretty cool guy, but he hasnt really done anything good or bad yet
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 2:44pm
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Finally, a proper poll. Hades all the way.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 3:32pm
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A president that promotes science and improved our image in the international community? I approve. Granted, he's done quite a bit that I don't approve of, but mostly I still support him.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 3:42pm
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HADES FOR PRESIDENT IN '12, '16, '20, '24, and '28! ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 6:25pm
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I'm confused at the "hasn't done anything yet" thing. He's done quite a bit. It may not be what you agree with, but it's still stuff. Anyway, he's done some stuff I like, some stuff I don't. Quite a bit I am waiting to see how it goes. All together I am pleased. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:25am
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I'd say he has done tons. I especially like how he has dragged his feet on afghanistan, guess being a leader wasn't as easy as he thought...
This article was interesting on this topic.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091130/pl_politico/29993 - http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091130/pl_politico/29993 ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: impulse!!
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:30am
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FE: I just read that article before entering the thread. The bowing to Saudis was enough to piss me off.
He makes us looks like wussies and is in love with himself.
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:34am
Yeah, he probably should have just kicked him in the nuts. ------------- 
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:37am
duh. thats a better way to gain respect -------------
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Posted By: impulse!!
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:37pm
Wow.... -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:40pm
Why are you saying Wow? You made the ridiculous statement. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:46pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: impulse!!
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 2:16pm
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You don't, bow too, a Saudi prince. -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 2:27pm
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Because Glenn Beck says not to?
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 2:44pm
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I love how people are still up in arms about this one. What the hell ever happened to showing other people respect?
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 3:54pm
wow... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 4:05pm
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Its a sign of submission, not just respect. Being the president of what's supposed to be one of the most powerful nations in the world and being openly submissive is something that shouldn't be taken lightly, and can be easily interpreted as a sign of weakness on the international political circuit. At least, that's how I see it....you want to be respectful, use the proper form of address and perhaps a slight inclination of the head....but not a full on bow. ------------- ? |
Posted By: IrIsHGunNeR37
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 4:28pm
------------- "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear." -Ambrose Redmoon |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 4:49pm
Modesty goes a long way. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 4:50pm
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It's a bow... I realize that's not customary for Americans to do. But heaven forbid he show respect to the man. Does the angle at which he bows really make a difference? Don't get me wrong, if he threw himself down at the feet of a dictator and started kissing his toes, I'd understand. But why is following the customs of the person you're meeting a sign of weakness? Bush's tactics certainly won us many friends all over the world, lets stick with that.
Good plan.
American's need to quit bragging that we are the greatest nation on earth and start acting like it. This chest pounding spirit chanting "We're #1!" proves nothing. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 4:54pm
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^^I would rather the U.S. stop being world cops and worry about ourselves.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 5:00pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 5:00pm
QFT ------------- 
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 5:02pm
HEY!!!! remember who's cutting out your knife blank this week...  ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 5:05pm
 ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:22pm
I understand where you're coming from, I do. But I can't condone a gesture that is performed by people who are openly saying "You are my better, I am not worthy" being performed by ANY foreign leader. It would have been just as demeaning if the president of Mexico had done it. If you're willing to ignore equality amongst leadership, you're sending a pretty lousy signal to the rest of the world. These dignitaries don't bow to anyone....why should our dignitaries bow to them? Observing a local custom at the cost of our own sacred belief in equality? And of course....BLAH BUSH BAD BLAH! ------------- ? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:30pm
...And you actually think that it was meant that way? Or even interpreted that way by those in the room? There are a lot of legitimate complaints about Obama to be had. The whole OMG SAUDI BOW thing is just not one of them. It's a silly talking point used by those who are going to criticize Obama if he sneezes. But of course...OMG LIBS DID IT FOR EIGHT YEARS OMG. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:33pm
Actually, its not a big gripe of mine. In fact, I've got a general problem with it bowing to foreign dignitaries. I don't think it should be done. If we (anyone) are supposed to respect these guys, they should respect back by not expecting a bow in the first place. Was it meant that way? No, probably not, Interpreted that way? Difficult to tell. However, if you're in a position of power with all eyes on you, it could have saved face and a lot of heartache by NOT doing it. I think it might have been a subconscious gesture which spoke louder than any speech. ------------- ? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:42pm
To be fair tho, I think both men should have bowed to each other. I'm all about the equallity.  ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:42pm
I can swallow pretty much all of the argument except this part. I may not agree with you, but I can get that you think it probably doesn't look too good. However, if it was supposed to show a subconscious weakness of the will vs. other nations, then what does authorizing the sharp-shooting of the Somali pirates mean? Subconsciously speaking, of course? |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:47pm
I never said there wasn't any contradictions to a single subconscious gesture  Of course, that wasn't a subconscious move either. ------------- ? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:47pm
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Ha wow. You people really believe there is a problem with the bow? Holy hell Reb I thought better of you. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:49pm
No you didn't. For the last time. I don't have a problem with OBAMA doing it, I have a problem with ANYONE doing it if they're the leader of a foreign nation, then offered up a possible interpretation of President Obama having done it. Climb off the high horse, or I'll use smaller words in an effort to knock you off it. ------------- ? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:52pm
Yes I did. Did I mention Obama in my post? No. Why don't you climb off your high horse of OMG WE CAN'T BOW IT SHOWS WEAKNESS. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:56pm
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This again? Really? Once more because I have nothing else to do: NOBODY should EVER bow to the ruler of a foreign nation that uses such a gesture as a symbol of submissiveness. To do so CAN be interpreted as a weakness, no matter if its intentional or accidental. CASE IN POINT is what happened to our President. If I break that down any simpler I'm going to have to resort to cave paintings. ------------- ? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:58pm
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You act like it needs to be simple. You act like I don't know what you're saying. It doesn't make it any less ridiculous to think that way. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:01pm
Again, understood. A bow IS held as a gesture of respect in many countries, it is also a symbol of servitude in others. My bowing out of respect to a man who takes bows as a gesture of servitude, That's a little complicated, and tough to explain on a worldwide level. ------------- ? |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:02pm
Who did the bow? Obama. You didn't have to mention his name, it was implied.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:02pm
It does. And you don't. Or this.....wouldn't be necessary. ------------- ? |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:05pm
Well, you act as if you don't know what he's saying. So obviously he's trying to break it down to simpler terminology that is easier for you to understand. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:05pm
 ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:05pm
There are people hired specifically by the White House to brief the POTUS when they travel on these kinds of things. Everything from culture to general demeanor. And, for generations, the president has ignored what they say. As an example: Bush's creeper back rub on Merkel. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:07pm
Why are you laughing? I understand exactly what he is saying. He just has some ridiculous viewpoint about someone bowing. Also, Stormyknight. No Obama was not implied. I was commenting on Reb saying anyone bowing shouldn't happen. That is ridiculous. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:08pm
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE IS SAYING. DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS RIDICULOUS You know in case you missed it the two times I already said this. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:17pm
And that is a problem with you Jmac. You just can't say, "I get where you're coming from, I just don't agree with you." You have to do the attack thing. Thinking less of Reb and saying that his point is ridiculous.
I will apologize for jumping on the bandwagon with Reb for my previous post insinuating that you're too simple-minded to understand what Reb was trying to point out. I'm sorry. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:21pm
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Whale, no doubt that these little things happen- denying that would make me an idiot....its also why I don't really have too big a problem with this happening to the president. In an effort to put this to bed: Jmac, what exactly am I saying, and why is it ridiculous? No insults, no condescension, just tell me what I'm saying, and what your problem is with it.....perhaps it is I that is missing what YOU'RE saying. ------------- ? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:22pm
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I can say it's ridiculous all I want. I don't need to say "Well I know what you're saying but I disagree" Obviously even after I say I know what he is saying three times you fools still think I don't. It really isn't that hard of a concept to understand. I will continue to say it is ridiculous because I could really care less about saying anything else. Also, I didn't attack anyone until this post calling you fools. Go read back, no attacks. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:25pm
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Reb, you are saying bowing to someone can be seen as a sign of weakness. You know apparently I am too simple minded for reading comprehension... Why is it ridiculous? Because it is a simple bow. It is a sign of respect. Even if by some chance it was seen as a sign of weakness, it doesn't change anything. Policies don't change, the way we handle countries doesn't change. Basically people whine about little things because Obama did it. Don't say "I SAID ANYONE". I don't care if you said anyone. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't Obama that did it. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:34pm
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Just saying, we as Americans, as of late are striving in being stuck up and thinking of our country as the greatest on the planet.
Modesty and humbleness go a long way. We are damn good at being cocky. While our economy may hold huge sway on a global scale, the fact that we are behind dozens of other countries when it comes to health, science, engineering, technology, education in general, etc. makes our "We're #1" chants seem a little ridiculous. We may be the nation that made it to the moon, and invented the airplane, light bulb, built the atomic bomb first, etc. We haven't really done all that much in recent memory to boast about. I love the U.S., don't get me wrong. I do realize the global economy is directly related to the U.S. economy. But all the people who have said (and I don't just mean on the forum) that the President of the United States has no business bowing down to anyone, baffles me. Why is it that we are above respecting the cultures of others now? Reb, I know what you are saying and this is not directed at you, but aren't we supposed to be about equality?
Should the other man have bowed back to Obama? Yes. Should Obama have skipped the whole gesture just in case it upset a few people back home? No. (hit the period key with force for emphasis) If it's a cultural sign of respect, why should he not be polite and bow? Didn't everyone get mad at Bush because he was completely oblivious to other cultures? We are obviously so well loved my most other countries around the world lately. Is it not time to start rebuilding some of those bridges?
We dislike the French for being so arrogant and stuck up, yet we Americans have much more in common with them (or at least our stereotype of them) than we realize. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:36pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:38pm
Thank you. Now, if you can just bear with me while I try to douse this mess with some ice water......
That's all I have to say about that. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:40pm
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Name one effect, other than right-wing complaining, that was a consequence of that action.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:42pm
Did I whine? No I did not. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:44pm
See, you're fun to argue with. Yes, we are supposed to be about equality. In that case, rendering a gesture that is respectful (acknowledged) but also submissive doesn't really make that point too very well. Cultural sensitivity is important. Bush was a bungler, no doubt. In fact, his insensitivity was no doubt a contributor to the contention felt towards the US in the last few years. However, backtracking on our own cultural kingpins in the name of sensitivity is a huge rub in many aspects of international relations. This COULD be one of them. (bolded in case someone misses it) ------------- ? |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:46pm
You too huh? Notice the "(if improbable)" thrown in there. Also, "Right wing complaining" needs to be changed to "Right wing extremist complaining" Don't generalize. Its insulting.  ------------- ? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:47pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:49pm
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:51pm
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Jmac, you are also among those people who baffle me. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:52pm
How? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:58pm
Bingo. I found where we went astray. You're saying 'so what' to something that can be construed in certain quarters as submissive. Its easy to shrug it off because you're right, there won't be any ramifications to this. However, I'm merely saying that in an era where appearances are important- and when you're dealing with a culture that is big on class distinction, and asserting someone's significance over others, it is wise for one to be aware of their actions and to avoid any that could be interpreted in a negative light. While there won't be any lasting consequences over this, if it wasn't a subconscious gesture, its also wise to not make a habit of such actions. Please note, I did not mention anything concerning Obama's politics, I don't even care that it was him. I'd be picking the same semantic bone if it was G.W, or Abe Lincoln. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:21pm
But there haven't been any, so why keep complaining about it? Obviously all of your ideas that it could have ramifications have turned out to be false. You were wrong about it. Why not just let it go?
So you are saying you are in with the extremists? -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:27pm
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:17pm
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:31am
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I'll just leave this here...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/30024.html - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/30024.html ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:43am
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Oh well if Dick Cheney says it, it must be true! My apologies. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:55am
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 1:08pm
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