Four police ambushed, murdered in WA
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Topic: Four police ambushed, murdered in WA
Posted By: brihard
Subject: Four police ambushed, murdered in WA
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 1:32pm
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34194122/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34194122/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ Still developing -Lone gunman walks into coffee shop, opens fire, kills four sherriffs deputies -Suspect still at large This is going to ignite a huge manhunt...My condolences to the families of the victims.  ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
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Posted By: impulse!!
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 1:51pm
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If only they had a CCW, wait nvm.. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 1:52pm
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In before jmac's justification of this behavior.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 2:46pm
^ Also that sucks for the families.... especially right before Christmas.  |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 2:46pm
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In after lame joke.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 2:48pm
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In after the obvious jealousy* of someone who wishes they had come up with the lame joke. *This works better if you imagine "obvious jealousy" pronounced with a stereotypical British accent. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 3:24pm
You really need to be careful. ...they don't play nice when stung. ------------- ? |
Mack wrote:Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 5:16pm
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 5:48pm
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Good taste: Learn it
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 5:51pm
I tried; then realized I fit in better on the forum this way. Edited Addition: The funny part is I actually thought about putting "In before HV defends jmac" in the first post and "in before jmac quotes HV" in the reply to Reb but didn't because I thought it would be excessively tacky/provocative. Now that I see the level of awesome that avoiding tacky/provacative cost me I will be evaluating such decisions differently in the future. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 6:05pm
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Nobody has made a donut joke yet? Come on. They were in a coffee shop. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 6:05pm
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Meanwhile, four cops got assassinated in a U.S. city. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 7:06pm
HV defend me? El Oh El. Maaaaybe, you shouldn't make jokes about stupid things like I would say it was right for four cops to get shot. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 8:21pm
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This sadly is the second time in a month a police officer has been shot and killed deliberately in my state. Recently we buried a Seattle PD officer who was executed while training a rookie police officer who also was shot but survived. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 9:25pm
Based on past threads you've always had a negative appearance towards cops. also NB4 jmac calls me stupid/curses me out. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 9:36pm
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Bastards not going to make it to trial. Guaranteed. ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:05pm
If they catch him, sure he will. Washington State has the death penalty. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:11pm
------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:13pm
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187 ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:40pm
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I would fully support this guy somehow breaking out of the back of the cruiser after they catch him. On the highway. In front of a semi. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:52pm
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Person of interest sought http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78106177.html - http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78106177.html  LAKEWOOD, Wash. -- Police here have identified a person of interest in the shooting deaths of four Lakewood police officers on Sunday morning. Det. Ed Troyer said investigators are looking for 37-year-old Maurice Clemmons, who is under the supervision of the state Department of Corrections. DOC spokesman Chad Lewis said Clemmons was transferred from Arkansas, where he had a record of robbery and theft. Clemmons was recently arrested and charged in Pierce County or third-degree assault on a police officer, and second-degree rape of a child. He had been released on $150,000 bail. Clemmons' involvement in the shooting was not made immediately clear. Records indicate Clemmons has been a Western Washington resident since 2002, when he moved to Seattle's Queen Anne neighborhood before relocating to South Seattle, then to Federal Way before settling in Tacoma. Neighbors described Clemmons as a quiet and paranoid man. They claimed Clemmons has installed cameras all around his home in Tacoma. "About 12 cameras, I think, in the bushes, around the house. Very paranoid," said one neighbor. Neighbors said they knew Clemmons had been in trouble with the law in his past, but they were shocked to discover he was being sought in connection to the deaths of the four Lakewood police officers. "To think that somebody who lives next door to us could have anything to do with this is scary," said one neighbor. "I mean, we live in a good neighborhood." Anyone with information on Clemmons' whereabouts is urged to contact police immediately at 866-977-2362. A $100,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the gunman in the Lakewood police shooting. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:56pm
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I'm sort of inclined to agree that this guy won't live to stand trial. Police hunting persons suspected of killing one (or several) of their own have a tendency to shoot very, very straight when confronted. It happened here in NY not too long ago. Some guy killed one state trooper and winged another one before holing up in a house not far from me. He ended up dead with a bullet in his brain. ------------- ? |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:58pm
He'll "kill himself" whilst being held up in a house or something. At least in Texas, he wouldn't survive a capture. ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 11:02pm
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Haha...Jinx Reb... -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 11:06pm
While some would assume this is related to vengeance, it could be argued that it is merely a survival issue for cops attempting to apprehend someone who has shown minimal regard for human life or authority. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 29 November 2009 at 11:53pm
Citation needed. I know the thread you'll likely revisit to quote me, and as I recall I stated he deserves ridicule for stupid posts. You're mistaking me calling you on immature behavior for defending a forumer. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:04am
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Also, was the shooter one shy of DOMINATING?
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:36am
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Hey, did anyone else notice the mole? Maybe he's related to the girl in the pics Sporx posted.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 2:04am
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 2:18am
If he'd have just kept going he'd have had a helicopter. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:50am
Thats why they get away with it.  ------------- ? |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 7:54am
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http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/30/us-washington-police-shooting-suspect.html - http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/30/us-washington-police-shooting-suspect.html ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:16am
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Lets think about this for a moment... Lets look at the suspect's past. 2nd degree rape of a child, Assault on a LE, and who knows what else. This guy walks into the local coffee shop, "I know coffee shops that don't sell donuts." and shoots 4 officers in uniform with no warning. Do you think that this guy is just going to walk out of his house / apartment when LE comes to the door? I have read the above link. Police wouldn't shoot at the suspect unless he took the first shot or took aim at one of them. Or should LE just let him run out of bullets before they go get him. I can already hear the "REASONS" for his actions... A family member will come foward and state that he is / was, suffering from a mental issue, and a drug addiction. There may have been a police officer that singled him out just because he stole someone's car, or raped a child, something trivial like that. Or...The officers were discriminating against him because they were white and wouldn't let him sit at the table with them. I am just waiting to hear / read the last one listed.
I know that most people on the forum support LE, and I am not meaning to rant at you. I am just so tired of hearing how these "people" / Monsters are victims more so than who they hurt. We all know that there are attorneys lining up around the block to sue the department because one of the dead officers shot this trash just before passing. Looking at the actions of this "Person"...Is he one of the people we want living in our towns? Do you want him to live next door. And no, I am not justifing LE to Murder the suspect. I would love to see him sitting in a deep dark hole with no chance to ever see natural light again. But if he chooses to "Go out in a blase of Glory" that's his choice. Less court for him to slip through. But The deep dark hole after 6 years of court and countless appeals.
If he does live next door to you, I bet you aren't home right now "Durring above stated stand off". Thats right the big bad Polllicce Maan done moved you out of yer house becayse da Guy next door done did somethen that he ought not ta have. Just so you don't catch a nice hot piece of copper coated lead coming outta the house next door thats ment for a cop.
I feel for the family members of the fallen officers. I also feel for the family in Blue / Brown. They are in H@@@ right now. The departments are also going to be going hard after these guys / this guy. If 4 of your family members were just killed for no reason, you would be mad too.
Rest in Peace. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: impulse!!
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:23am
Umm, most people who support LE, would agree with you.... So why did you find this necessary to add? -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:24am
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lol wrong window... ------------- 
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Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:19pm
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I was just getten ready to go to sleep and was in a rant. I wanted people to know that I wasn't pissed at anyone on this forum, and was just letting off steam. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:25pm
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What is LE? Am having a mental block or something.
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:26pm
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Law Enforcement
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:30pm
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Why can't we just say police like a normal individual?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:44pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:49pm
More importantly who here doesn't support the police? I know I certainly appreciate their work. -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 1:50pm
Seriously. People on this forum need to realize that being mad at cops who do stupid things is not a hate for police in general. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 6:26pm
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In b4 "Nice job Governor Mike Huckabee" ------------- 
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Posted By: IrIsHGunNeR37
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:19pm
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As much as we all gripe about the Police, you really have to respect what they do. For the amount of crap they take they remain amazingly calm when it comes to certain situations. As far as this one goes the minute this guy pulled the trigger on the first cop he already decided his fate. They don't need a trial for it. ------------- "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear." -Ambrose Redmoon |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:43pm
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Funny how you say someone like this who killed 4 cops doesn't need a trial, but a terrorist in gitmo who is responsible for the deaths of 2819 people (23 NYPD and 37 PA Officers included) in the 9/11 attacks does need one? Am I missing something? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:46pm
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Rofl, that doesn't even deserve a comment more than this.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:53pm
| Okay so you don't care about the 9/11 deaths either? Who do you care about? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:57pm
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:58pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:24pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:38pm
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*points Mbro to the red words on this page* ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:39pm
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Let me tell all of you who think he will make it to trial that the "person of interest" in last months police shooting was shot in the head and is now paralyzed....and that was for one police officer. This guy doesn't stand a chance ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:45pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:58pm
/me bows. -------------
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 12:12am
 ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 12:18am
You are forgiven.  |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:13am
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no trial...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-30-police-shot_N.htm?csp=34&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-30-police-shot_N.htm?csp=34&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:45am
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Disappoints me, but doesn't surprise me in the least. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:50am
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Why does that disappoint you? I have no issue with people who are 1. repeat offenders and 2. do something so public there is no way it isn't them not making it to trial. I only think everyone should get a trial because crimes aren't usually so clear cut.... ALso, on the 9/11 thing. Rofl the "terrorists" in gitmo weren't all responsible for it. They didn't fly the planes themselves, they probably didn't plan it, and some probably aren't even terrorists. That is why they get a trial. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:54am
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wow... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:55am
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Why wow? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 8:59am
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/facepalm. Jmac, read our constitution sometime. It'll be good for ya.
FE, don't even... you are the one who started all the BS about the terrorists not getting a trial. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 9:15am
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wait, what?... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 9:42am
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You have no room at all to be saying "wow..." to jmac. A week ago you were saying the exact same thing for the terrorists. I know you disslike muslims but tell me, whats really the differance here, for you? Just curious. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 9:44am
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Alright, who put the extra shot in sneaky's latte this morning?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 9:53am
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 9:56am
Oooh that sounds fun. Also, 9 AM >> 6 AM. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 12:57pm
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Sneaky why must I read the constitution? You act as if I don't know that he "deserves" a fair trial. The man killed 4 police officers. It was clear that he did it. It was clear that it was something he really had no remorse doing. He was also a repeat offender. He contributes nothing. I would fully support the death penalty if it was always such a cleat cut case. It usually isn't so I do not support the death penalty. And by clear cut case I mean he walked in shot 4 cops, got shot, and was found with one of the guns... Same for non violent crimes in my eyes. You've been convicted of crimes a couple times? Good do it again you're locked up with no trial. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 1:45pm
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My God.
I agree with jmac on something law related? @Sneaky: Last I checked, animals don't get trial by jury when they kill someone. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 4:09pm
If it is so obviously clear that he did it, than it wont be too hard for you to get a conviction. Skipping the trial all together is unconstitutional and against everything this nation stands for. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 4:15pm
I said "terrorist" and he did plan it and he is a terrorist. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 4:21pm
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What is his name? How do you know he planned it? Sneaky, you are proven guilty when you have wound that happened to the person who did the crime and are carrying around a dead cops gun. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 4:34pm
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Khalid Shaikh Mohammed He said he did. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 4:49pm
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http://askville.amazon.com/confess-crime-commit/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=10456388 "Most claim responsibility for cases that garner widespread publicity. More than 200 people falsely confessed to kidnapping Charles Lindbergh's baby in 1932, about 50 falsely claimed to have slain the Black Dahlia (1940s film star Elizabeth Short) and several falsely confessed to killing O.J. Simpson's estranged wife Nicole Brown Simpson." ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 5:23pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 6:48pm
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I was not saying that there are people on the forum that don't support Police. I don't know all to the attitudes of all the members of the post toward police, so I can't say ALL do or don't. All I can say is MOST. I didn't mean to say anything other than that.
The suspect held his own fate in this case and refused to stop or show his hands. Most officers, if not all would have done the same. Now all that is left to do is watch the courts handle all of his partners. That is if, of course, if this Tiger Woods thing will get off the news.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 12:36am
But it does come across as that, especially when people are complaining about cops doing their jobs and not cutting them a break, or doing something they don't understand and passing judement on the cops. This forum does come across as pretty anti law enforcement. This probably stems from the bias that normal cops don't often make it into the news, but still, complaining a cop gave one a ticket when one was speeding instead of giving a citation isn't respect for their job, it is overestimating one's own importance in the circle of life. Quite a few people here B&M about a cop doing his job by the book, instead of doing what they call "interpreting the law", which would get them a lessor punishment. My prayers go to the families that have been ripped apart, especially this close to Christmass. That'll be tough for them. KBK |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 12:44am
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As for the subject of "fair trial," if it's so clear that this guy did it, there's no way he won't be convicted in a "fair trial," so I support it. That, and it's a right and all. If he even makes it to that trial... As an aside, it would seem vigilante justice might prevail even in the unlikely scenario that our legal justice won't. Why is there an argument? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 1:24am
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This thread made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 2:07am
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Someone fill me in on why the lives of these 4 guys is any more valuable than the lives of 4 other dudes? Because they're cops they suddenly obtain a life that is "more" valuable than any other human life. Is that how it works?
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 2:44am
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Valuable? No. But these 4 officers took an oath that "4 other dudes" did not take to uphold the law and keep the public safe from people like the one who killed them. I'm not sure anyone here claims that "value" was of importance, but perhaps it is more publicized than that of 4 random people off of the street. Next thing you know, you'll be asking why it's so important to hear about our troops that get killed... But read the article folks. The officer didn't shoot him just because he was suspected of killing the 4 officers, he shot him because he was making threatening movements towards the officer. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: impulse!!
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 4:47am
on a motha .... cop -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 6:31am
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Besides the fact that they are putting their lives on the line to protect the "4 random dudes", they are also a symbol of authority and a symbol of the law. Killing them IS more than killing random people's it is directly attacking the state.
Cops should, in my opinion, have the knowledge that if something does happens to them the ultimate punishment will be levied on the badguys. I don't know what the law in the States says but in SA if you are on parole or whatever and you commit another crime you get thrown back in jail for your orginal sentence and await trial for your next trial. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 8:58am
It would be hard to argue that this guy was attacking "the state". There's an implied political purpose there which he didn't have -- seeing how he said he was "going to kill some cops and watch the news".
A) This is perhaps biased, since you are one. B) Don't most people want this? Cops just have it because they have the power to actually take revenge for fallen officers. I'm not saying that's how this case turned out, but again, cop killers rarely make it to trial.
I'm pretty sure that is how it works. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 10:56am
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"B) Don't most people want this? Cops just have it because they have the power to actually take revenge for fallen officers. I'm not saying that's how this case turned out, but again, cop killers rarely make it to trial."
In many / most states, it's a felony to assault a cop, firefighter, or EMS personnel, punishible by much more time in prison than assaulting a random civilian. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 12:17pm
Another reason people will walk around with a holier than thou attitude. A life is a life. -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 12:23pm
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Tolls is tolls.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 2:39pm
If you honestly believe a life is a life, and all lives are equal, you're wrong. A life of a person who vows to protect innocent people is NOT equal to a life spent terrorizing people, and murdering 4 in cold blood. Mixon's life was not equal to Sergeant Sakai's or Sergeant Romans life. (Oakland shooting). Maurice Clemmons life was not worth the paper his birth certificate was printed on. And if what they are saying about Clemmons 6 accomplices turns out to be true, hopefully they get what they deserve as well. So no, a life is not a life. Lives are not equal. You make choices in your life, and those choices determine your worth. If your life is centered around causing harm to innocent people, then your life is worthless, good riddance. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 2:44pm
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While I agree to some extent with your viewpoint, I believe you're taking HV's point the wrong way. First and foremost, the laws that make assaulting emergency personnel a more serious offense than regular old assault are to enable them to complete their job more effectively. Second, I don't think HV (although perhaps he does in fact mean this) is saying that a cop killer and a cop have equally valuable lives. He's saying that a cop and your average not cop killer are both just people. We can't afford as a society to say that police are some sort of special, flawless human specimens. Cops who think that generally end up doing things that put them in jail. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 3:22pm
HAHAHAHAHA I'll agree a cop is not equal to a murderer but you best not believe that is true about any normal person to a cop or EMT ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 3:44pm
Never said cops / EMS personnel / firefighters were better then your every-day average citizen, did I? Because we ARE the average everyday normal citizen. We just have flashy lights on our vehicles. -------------
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 3:58pm
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I think professional athletes are more important than everyone except doctors.
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 7:46pm
Truth. They're all equal and to say that they aren't is ridiculous. If that's th case I think Hannah Montana's life is more valuable than a cops, and a doctor's life is more valuable than the Presidents. Oh and crack dealers have a life that is more valuable than lawyers.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 7:50pm
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I would like to point out that that last statement might be true.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 7:51pm
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 8:03pm
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I don't think any one human life is inherently more valuable than another one. That said, there are other principles that go into criminal sentencing, including general and specific deterrence, denunciation of certain offences, and segregating an offender form society due to the level of risk he or she presents. Someone who deliberately murders emergency services is probably of a greater level of risk to society at large, and I think it's appropriate that there are consequently harsher sentences on average for these individuals. That said, there are a lot of changes that need to be made in sentencing; more lenient in some cases, significantly harsher in others. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 9:42pm
Sure ya can! As I stated, a violent criminal who kills innocent people HAS no life worth anything. Period. And to think they are equal in worth to those who protect innocent people is laughable. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 11:03pm
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Way to prove my point, Linus.
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Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 11:11pm
So this person go from human to non-human? What form of non-human does this guy take? Dog? Statue? Action-figure?
Get off your thorne for a few minutes every now and then, you don't wanna get sores. I don't give a dead moose's last poo if your a cop or if your a crackhead, your no more or less human and your life is no more or less valuable/worth. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 02 December 2009 at 11:37pm
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No, Uncle, you're missing the ball entirely. I never said criminals aren't human, or criminal lifes aren't lifes. I said violent criminals who have made the conscious decision to murder people for no other reason but their enjoyment should NEVER be considered anyone elses equal. Two totally separate scenarios you're mixing up.
If there were 2 people who's lives were in danger and you can only save one, one a normal everyday person, the other a felon convicted of 4 counts of 1st degree murder, no doubt in anyones mind, you can not honestly tell me you would put both on the same equal playing field. Their lifes are NOT equal. Maybe they were when they were younger, but the moment the murder decided to take someones life for their enjoyment, their equal card got thrown in the trash. Osamas life is not equal to yours. Al Zaeqawis life was not equal to HV. Mixon's life is not equal to Rebs newborn kid. Sorry, I'll never believe otherwise. And before someone plays the card I know they will and brings it up, yes, my job IS to save lives, and I never said I'd treat a known murderer any differently if they were my patient. I just don't have to view them as my equal. -------------
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