Tolerance

 

1.	a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

2.	a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.

3.	interest in and concern for ideas, opinions, practices, etc., foreign to one's own; a liberal, undogmatic viewpoint.

 

Freedom from Bigotry...

 

Hmm, what is bigotry?...

 

1.	stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2.	the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

 

Good thread, made me laugh.

 

If I give my word, I keep it.

Do I think a gay lifestyle is wrong, yes, but I do stuff that is wrong too.

 

I've done tons of stuff in my life that I didn't "feel" like doing, because it was good for my career/hobby/experience.

 

You gave your word. Its just two hours...

 

Besides, you might enjoy it.

Yes, you said you would go- but you said you would go based on the information you were given.

Now you have conflicting values. I don't see having given your word coming into play, since that's based on honesty in both directions, and you were lied to. Not your fault. However now you face a conflict of partaking in something that runs contrary to your own beliefs (or lack thereof), and the fact that other people are relying on you and that people will judge you anyway if you don't.

I don't think anyone would have the right to judge you if you chose not to go based on what you've said, but you should go with whatever's most ethically comfortable to you.

I personally would feel no compunction about letting down someone who had lied to me, but I don't think I'd be able to walk out on a bunch of friends like that. I'd do it, then raise hell with whoever lied to me about it. I certainly would not partake in prayer or the like- and I wouldn't be bowing my head, clasping hands or any such thing that might lead people to think I was. If people were uncomfortable with my presence as a result, so be it.

You were recruited to go play music, so play music- but don't let them guilt you into partaking in anything you don't feel comfortable with.

Lesson learned, I guess. Raw deal.

You might have misread me- my recommendation was to attend out of respect for your peers whoa re relying on you, not out of any sense of commitment to the people who misled you. If nothing else, it's a practice concert.

On another note, Who's on first?

I've been to plenty of religious ceremonies, from Catholic to Buddhist to Mormon to Pagan, which have nothing to do with my beliefs, many of which I disagreed with personally, but I went and I was respectful and open-minded because there were people there who truly believed in what was being practiced.  No one's going to be forcing you to accept Jesus, or rounding up heathens to burn.

Tolerance isn't just for the people being tolerated, its for the person who is doing the tolerating.  If you let yourself get so worked up and hurt over people worshiping in a way you disagree, you're only hurting yourself.

just tell that to the natives or any other groups of people who have been rounded up by people who have different belifes and greater power to exercise them. hope the concert dosnt kill ya

/facepalm

You do realize that this butthurt mentality of "they all are saying mean things about me!" is common to both Atheists and Religious individuals?  That there are some Christians who would refuse to support some group they associated with Atheism because they think these people are all saying mean things about them?  You do see how silly and childish both sides are here, right?  Because the majority of Religious and Atheist people don't actually spend most of their time planning the Final Solution to the other group?

I've had some strict Christian friends tell me that atheists attack and mock their beliefs, so they don't like atheists.  I've had some atheist friends tell me that Christians attack and mock their lack of belief, so they don't like Christians.  The majority of Christians and Atheists don't give a good God damn what the other side believes in, or doesn't believe in, and very few would judge.   Sure there are some nuts on both sides who DO care, but they don't actually speak for all people with similar views.  

I skipped the rest after that sentence

Tolga -

Actually, the "stink" I'm raising has nothing at all to do with you performing or not. That's entirely your choice, and given the circumstances I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to perform.  The manager lied and you found yourself doing something you weren't comfortable with for no pay. Kudos to you for sucking it up and doing it anyway, not backing out on the rest of your group.

What I don't like is the fact that you seem to have lumped together all religious folk as a party of intolerant, ignorant, and mean-spirited individuals .  Perhaps this group was just that, but from the details you gave it sounded like you were upset because you had to go perform for some group of religious people and you weren't alright with it because all religious people are out to get you.  That struck me as very ignorant on your part.