Roddenbery saw it coming.
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Topic: Roddenbery saw it coming.
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: Roddenbery saw it coming.
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 12:30pm
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Gene Roddenbery the man behind Star-Trek in the 60's saw this coming when he interwove Eugenics Wars in the History of Earth in the Future.
The Chinese are looking at pushing population control as a result of 'Global Climate Change'. So how soon before population control edicts begin to appear, and who is going to make the decesion on who gets to reproduce, what cultures survive and what culture/peoples are bred out of the world population equation. And then the 'survivors' fighting over the resources of the world. Since the Chinese and Muslim populations are the majority in most Eurasian areas, we will see how population cotrols evolve. And we thought the Crusades were a bad time, wait and watch if this becomes ther prevailing thought. Genoicidal wars, mass extermination of minorities, sterialization, the possibilities are endless. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-12/10/content_9151129.htm - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-12/10/content_9151129.htm http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2314438 - http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2314438 ------------- 
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 12:36pm
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I skimmed through the article and I didnt really notice anything to the degree your stating. Hasnt China had a population and family laws for a while now? I am sure I heard about the "one baby police". ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 12:47pm
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:dodgy:
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 12:49pm
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China does have one child law, but if 1st child is female, another is tried (illegal or underground) to get a boy. The inroads to population control will be suttle and paced to prevent major opposition till too late to reverse. Even Verne covered population controls in his writtings, as well as Orwell in the 1800's. We saw another attempt of population control in Germany 33-45, where 'Aryan's' could reproduce at will and others were controlled or eliminated/removed from areas. Even today German Law provides benifits for 'pure' yes the word is used, Germans to reproduce to keep pace with immagrant numbers.
"Mutterschaftsgeld" und "Elterngeld" http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,608172,00.html - http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,608172,00.html -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 3:28pm
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Hopefully this will get us closer to a Mad Max like world.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 3:29pm
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China's had a population policy for ages. They're jsut seizing on the latest big issue to try to stifle criticism. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 3:35pm
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Mmmm, perfect babies.
Eugenics is coming, be it to breed blonde hair and blue eyes into our kids, or to http://www.yourdiscovery.com/science/genius_sperm_bank/?cc=US - use sperm from genius's in IVF. Or, you know, to http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/Embryo-Screening-and-the-Ethics-of-60561 - breed out diseases like breast cancer. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 3:43pm
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Can we selectively breed babies to be more delicious? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 3:51pm
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I think thats the next hurdle on the list bri. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 3:53pm
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I want mine to be strawberry and vanilla.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 3:54pm
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om nom nom
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 4:23pm
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I guess I'm not really shocked? Work in a hospital long enough, you'll start believing in population control. ------------- 
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 4:44pm
Dibs on the V-8 Interceptor. ------------- 
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Eville wrote:Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 4:45pm
Win!  -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 11:45pm
I'm telling ya, my mandatory I.Q. testing before reproducing is getting closer every day. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 11:42am
Hint:: sneaky would not pass. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 4:21pm
| The idea of a world-wide one child policy scares the hell out of me for a variety of reasons. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 6:17pm
lul! |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 6:33pm
 Good thing I don't want kids!  ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 6:38pm
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 7:47pm
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I find that an interesting and legitimate method to a climate problem. I feel that the second article does bring up a valid point in saying "For those who balk at the notion that governments should control family sizes, just wait until the growing human population turns twice as much pastureland into desert as is now the case, or when the Amazon is gone, the elephants disappear for good and wars erupt over water, scarce resources and spatial needs. " The Neo-Malthusianism viewpoint on this is very interesting, although it may STOP the issue of global climate change it will certainly bring about social change (in either a good or bad way), and you don't know how bad it could get. Population is an issue when it comes to climate issues, but so is waste of just about every resource we have. Inefficient use of everything, ineffective ways to stop it. ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 8:50pm
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I believe any population problems we have can be fixed by technology, but I think with the economic system we have now it will never happen. Our society is based on growth, and if the human population can double but our resource consumption stays the same, our growth has plateaued, and with a supply and demand market that is very unwanted. Something needs to change and it will when there is no other options. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 8:59pm
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technology is not advancing at the rate our population is. It's estimated that we will have 12billion people on earth by 2050ish. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 9:11pm
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Whatever , I'll be dead by 2050
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 10:44pm
| hahaha I still have a full life ahead of me. I'm expecting to die at around 2080+ or maybe even over 2090 as I have very good genes. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 11:02pm
The biggest strength of the human race is adaptability. ------------- 
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 11:21pm
Agreed. We're now looking at a revolution in GM food crops that are resisted based on possible environmental impacts and the business practices of the companies that do the engineering. We may be able to continue feeding growing populations while reducing greenhouse gasses. To sustain populations we need 2.3 kids per family, otherwise the population declines and our economic base becomes more reliant on immigration for labor, and paying into our social services declines and cannot keep up with the aging population that no longer works. Not to mention the human rights issues associated with birth-control policies. |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 11:27pm
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I thought you were a man of practicality, OS? What do you propose? Keep populating the planet out of control? ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 11:54pm
| Who are we to choose the population of the planet? If someone wants to have a kid, let them. If someone wants more than one kid, its their decision. Its a right as a human being to choose whether or not we want a kid. If you don't want a kid you shouldn't fool around. |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 11 December 2009 at 11:57pm
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Isn't every little news article just a big deal. The chinese are going to win in the long run, get over it. America isn't that great. Gene Roddenbery was a socialist. Star Trek had the first inter-racial kiss on television. That's blasphemy! ------------- |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 12 December 2009 at 1:33am
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Natural Selection FTW.
Can't hide from it forever... ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 December 2009 at 9:26am
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And we all thought what Hitler proposed was aborant. Selecting the 'perfect' population for the world. What will the new 'master race' be by consensus or force? And for all who think that one race/culture will not rise to the top of the selection chain are fooling themselves. Nature of the human animal, survival of the fittest.
Again the Chinese know patience, not this year, or generation, thier time is coming. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 12 December 2009 at 9:29am
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Yeah, once they get past oppressing the majority of their population.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 December 2009 at 9:35am
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Practice for oppressing the world. By shere numbers any population control benifits the Chinese, as as they 'westernize' expansion is inevitable, by force more than likely. "Resistance is futile...' to quote the The Borg. Ort the 'Coms' and the "Yangs' from another original Star Trek.
Two scenario's the Middle Eastern Muslim populations as they expand in numbers will have to expand for resources, and the Chinese the higher threat expanding for resources. These were 'war gamed' many times at the War College through the years. -------------
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 2:28am
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Do you really think that Muslims or the Chinese have this personal agenda agaisnst you? They want the best for themselves just like you want the best for America. Get over it, buddy. As a citizen, we have zero say in what the politicians do. Democrat, republican... it doesn't matter. Our lives will still suck. ------------- |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 2:35am
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when did OS become a lunatic? ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 2:36am
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Oh no... FE has finally corrupted him.
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 4:19am
Do something about it. I am. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 12:22pm
He's right though, in a mathematical sense. It's not some deliberate nefarious agenda, but 'white' societies are being vastly outbred by the Chinese and by the collective Muslim population (not that they're in any way ethnically homogeneous), and probably by the Indians as well. White folks aren't going to disappear or anything, but as a proportion of the world's population, and possibly even in absolute numerical terms, we're shrinking. The 'replacement rate' is 2.1 kids per couple, and in a lot of European countries don't even come close to meeting that. I'm not sure what the North American figures are. Any species, race or people that fails to breed in proportion to its competitors will eventually die out; that's pretty simple biological competition. I'll be far too dead to care, but in a few centuries the ethnic picture of the Earth could be very different. That said, all of this differs from deliberate population control or eugenics. We will, however, at some point exceed the carrying capacity of the Earth to such a degree that necessary resources become too rare to not be fought over. At that point all bets are off. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 12:31pm
Exactly, hence the claim of lunacy. These people don't have it out for us, and frankly by the time this is important, most of the people on this forum will be long gone.
This is true. The question will boil down to whether it will be cheaper to colonize other planets or start killing each other, though. I doubt child limitations will be placed before either one of those occurs on a wide scale. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 12:39pm
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Oh, killing each other will be vastly cheaper, but not sustainable in the long term. Our only long term chance is to spread off this rock. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 12:49pm
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If we don't blow it up first.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 4:13pm
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I was having this discussion with my environmental health Prof the other day. But seriously, in the long term, obviously we will exceed the earths carrying capacity. We won't be alive to see it, but it will also happen a lot sooner than you'd think. Like I mentioned earlier, expectations are the population will be 12 billion people on earth by 2050, thats a complete double of our current population, in 40 years time. On top of lack of resources, we have an issue with space, where are all these people going to live? How are we going to get enough crops to feed these people? Where are we going to put all the waste produced? How are we going to produce enough energy? Whether global warming is caused by humans or not, pumping CO2 into the atmosphere at the rate that we are now, its very unhealthy no matter how you view it. What happens when we have twice the people to provide for? We will have a moon base before I'm dead, I'm fairly certain. But not a colony. We MAYBE & MIGHT have a base on mars, I'm pretty skeptical on that possibility though. Space colonization is obviously the long term solution, but in the short term, it's not going to happen. Grim thoughts, but IMO, they are also realistic. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 December 2009 at 7:40pm
| From what familiarity I have on the population debate (we had a unit on it in poli-sci) as societies become more economically developed the bithrate drops off to sustainable levels or lower(as is the case with much of europe) Indian and China should level off in the near future, but will usemore resources. Improved argriculture and technology are really our only way out of this mess, other than saying screw it and stopping aid todeveloping nations and hoping a lot of the world-s populationdies of disease or kills each other. |