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Topic: Avatar
Posted By: choopie911
Subject: Avatar
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 5:21pm
So, who's seen it?
Watched it last night, and now I can't wait to go see it in IMAX 3D....so ridiculously good.



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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 6:07pm
Seriously good movie. I liked the 3D even more.

I hate everyone who saw or is going to see Avatar at IMAX 3D.

But that's another sory.

KBK


Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 6:33pm
I'm going to be in the minority here and say I didn't care for it.

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 6:35pm
Previews looked pretty good but I haven't made it out to see it yet. Maybe I'll drag my girlfriend with me tomorrow night.

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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 6:50pm
There is plenty wrong with the movie, but it is a damn fine afternoons entertainment.

Turn of brain, sit back, chew popcorn, enjoy.

Don't try think too hard about it.

KBK


Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 7:44pm
so what is so groundbreaking about the technology used to make it for those who have seen it?

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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 7:50pm
Dances with Wolves with 10ft tall Smurf Indians.

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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 8:08pm
I loved it, but WHY WHY WHY do people higher michelle rodriguez she is so disgustingly terrible in this movie and every movie she has ever been in.

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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

There is plenty wrong with the movie, but it is a damn fine afternoons entertainment.

Turn of brain, sit back, chew popcorn, enjoy.

Don't try think too hard about it.

KBK


I'm asssuming you forgot to turn your brain back on?  :)


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

so what is so groundbreaking about the technology used to make it for those who have seen it?


Because it simply wasn't possible for things to look that convincing in CGI previously. A lot of the ground breaking stuff has to do with HOW it was made as well.

Also yeah, I was really disapointed to see Michelle Rodrigues, I can't stand her.



Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 9:14pm
meh, not really planning on seeing it.

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Posted By: TheWrAith
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 9:25pm
 Loved it...

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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 11:52pm
i thought the CGI in transformers looked convincing. is this better than that?

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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 12:18am
I'm not interested in this at all.


Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 1:14am
Slacker, in Transformers they CGI'd a couple of cars they fall apart.

In Avatar they CGI'd a whole world.

The problem I had with it is the CGI still looked cartoony.

Hysteria, Maybe. I just don't get why people dis a movie. It's mind candy people. It isn't going to change the world, but it might fill your afternoon.

KBK


Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 1:17am
im interested in seeing it. is it worth it to go to IMAX for it?

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 1:24am
Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Dances with Wolves with 10ft tall Smurf Indians.


Lol. You make it sound so exhilarating.

As long as the story isn't too lame and the effects are good that's enough to make it worthwhile for me. I pretty much stopped expecting movies not to suck a long time ago so anything that's halfway decent is a pleasant surprise for me.


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 2:11am
Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

meh, not really planning on seeing it.

Finally someone with the same mindset. The trailers for it on TV make me not want to see it at all.


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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:06am
Eh, il go next week for free.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 5:17am
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:


Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

meh, not really planning on seeing it.
Finally someone with the same mindset. The trailers for it on TV make me not want to see it at all.


It's worth seeing. I hate to sound like everyone else, but its an easy recommendation for me. Just like I always suggest In Bruges when someone asks for a movie, I can easily suggest this. Spend the $10


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 5:48am
I want to see it. The closest IMAX is an hour away though, so I may just go see regular 3D.

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 8:38am
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

meh, not really planning on seeing it.

Finally someone with the same mindset. The trailers for it on TV make me not want to see it at all.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 8:45am
Hahaha.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

i thought the CGI in transformers looked convincing. is this better than that?


Easily. This is 65% CGI, 35% live action. Also in traditional motion capture the movements are captured and then they try to make them fit the environment in a way that they appear to interact with it etc. This is obvious in movies like the Star Wars prequels.
In Avatar, for the first time ever, the director was able to view the digital counterparts to the motion captured actors in real time, in the Pandora environment. This way characters are able to actually interact with one another, and the environment. In that system the director can zoom all the way in to their fingertips or closer, or zoom all the way out so all the characters just look like ants.
He has literally changed the modern methods of CGI, and I can't wait to see more of it.


I also disagree with whoever said it still looks cartoony. It looks extra terestrial, and the plants are bioluminescent. It's other worldly, not cartoony.


Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

i thought the CGI in transformers looked convincing. is this better than that?


Easily. This is 65% CGI, 35% live action. Also in traditional motion capture the movements are captured and then they try to make them fit the environment in a way that they appear to interact with it etc. This is obvious in movies like the Star Wars prequels.
In Avatar, for the first time ever, the director was able to view the digital counterparts to the motion captured actors in real time, in the Pandora environment. This way characters are able to actually interact with one another, and the environment. In that system the director can zoom all the way in to their fingertips or closer, or zoom all the way out so all the characters just look like ants.
He has literally changed the modern methods of CGI, and I can't wait to see more of it.


I also disagree with whoever said it still looks cartoony. It looks extra terestrial, and the plants are bioluminescent. It's other worldly, not cartoony.


I never heard about how he did motion capture. I really want to see a making of video for the animations now.

What he means by "cartoony" is that it's still very clear that the movie is animated. While there is still a lot more detail, every animated texture still has that CG glow to it that the real world doesn't. It's still some of the best CGI ever produced, but it's not photorealistic yet. Until CG gets there, it will forever look "cartoony."


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:


Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

i thought the CGI in transformers looked convincing. is this better than that?


Easily. This is 65% CGI, 35% live action. Also in traditional motion capture the movements are captured and then they try to make them fit the environment in a way that they appear to interact with it etc. This is obvious in movies like the Star Wars prequels.
In Avatar, for the first time ever, the director was able to view the digital counterparts to the motion captured actors in real time, in the Pandora environment. This way characters are able to actually interact with one another, and the environment. In that system the director can zoom all the way in to their fingertips or closer, or zoom all the way out so all the characters just look like ants.
He has literally changed the modern methods of CGI, and I can't wait to see more of it.

Again, those issues really exist with the world of Pandora itself. Nearly every plant there is bioluminescent, it makes sense that it looks different and "glows"
The more human CGI aspects are ridiculously realistic. It's a stylistic choice, and as we've never seen anything like that, of course it's obvious it's animated.

I too would love to see a directing session with that software/ hardware. They used the largest capture stage in history, and he demo'd the technology for spielberg and a few select others.

I also disagree with whoever said it still looks cartoony. It looks extra terestrial, and the plants are bioluminescent. It's other worldly, not cartoony.
I never heard about how he did motion capture. I really want to see a making of video for the animations now.What he means by "cartoony" is that it's still very clear that the movie is animated. While there is still a lot more detail, every animated texture still has that CG glow to it that the real world doesn't. It's still some of the best CGI ever produced, but it's not photorealistic yet. Until CG gets there, it will forever look "cartoony."


Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 5:58pm
Just got back from seeing it. Absolutely incredible.

It's obviously very political in nature and a lot of people will disagree with it on that basis- they don't pull any punches; they're obviously talking about America in specific and western society in general, and doing so in an extremely cynical way- but if one were to extrapolate current societal attitudes 130 years and then put a bunch of the right people on a distant planet with a sentient native population, the sort of neo-colonial attitudes aren't that implausible.

The hokey mystical nature of the natives and the magical planet crap was a bit tedious, and I think put the human in unnecessarily stark relief; there weren't really any apparent shades of gray in the morality of the movie, and in that way it almost serves a sort of propaganda purpose, cautioning us against our own excesses. And yet people have proven themselves capable of every awful thing that happened or was analogued in that movie.

Too black and white, too much emphasis on the whole gaia thing, but still an excellent movie.



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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Just got back from seeing it. Absolutely incredible.
It's obviously very political in nature and a lot of people will disagree with it on that basis- they don't pull any punches; they're obviously talking about America in specific and western society in general, and doing so in an extremely cynical way- but if one were to extrapolate current societal attitudes 130 years and then put a bunch of the right people on a distant planet with a sentient native population, the sort of neo-colonial attitudes aren't that implausible.
The hokey mystical nature of the natives and the magical planet crap was a bit tedious, and I think put the human in unnecessarily stark relief; there weren't really any apparent shades of gray in the morality of the movie, and in that way it almost serves a sort of propaganda purpose, cautioning us against our own excesses. And yet people have proven themselves capable of every awful thing that happened or was analogued in that movie.
Too black and white, too much emphasis on the whole gaia thing, but still an excellent movie.


At first I was getting a little bugged by the whole diety thing, but you have to sort of look at it from the scientists perspective:

**POTENTIAL SPOILERS**




They discuss how all the plants work as synapses akin to the human brain. If you keep that in mind, having connected energy and actions makes sense as the plants create essentially an all seeing network. To them it's spirits and god, but it's actually pretty rational. It's merely the natives interpretation of the world in which they live, which makes perfect sense.

Yeah, it is pretty heavy/ obvious in its message, but as you said it's a plausable situation in the first place, and likely just a matter of time really.
I did have to laugh when someone was calling it a direct reference to the bush admin....considering how long ago this was written (well before bush was elected)


Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 1:05am
Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:


Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by slackerr26 slackerr26 wrote:

i thought the CGI in transformers looked convincing. is this better than that?

I also disagree with whoever said it still looks cartoony. It looks extra terestrial, and the plants are bioluminescent. It's other worldly, not cartoony.
.What he means by "cartoony" is that it's still very clear that the movie is animated. While there is still a lot more detail, every animated texture still has that CG glow to it that the real world doesn't. It's still some of the best CGI ever produced, but it's not photorealistic yet. Until CG gets there, it will forever look "cartoony."


Yup, what Tolgak said. There is still something that says, "This is a composite picture". The enviroment, especially with its bioluminescanse (SP?!) looked pretty good. The animals, including the horses and the Navi all looked a little, well, drawn. Maybe because they got more screen time? I dunno, but it was still damn nice, and entertaining.

And I say "balls" to anyone who whines about the political corectness of it. Show me one country in the world where the arrival of someone with superior war technology hasn't lead to the rape of the locals. Its been going on for millenia. Somehow I doubt the human race will change that much in the next century.

On a different note, I loved the whirly chameleons.

KBK


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 2:30pm
Who knew James Cameron was a furry? Anywho the movie looks like complete crap. Let's throw an assload of money into a film with cutting edge CGI and hope the masses will fall for passing it off as a good movie. By the way I just watched the wrestler and I'm now in love with Marisa Tomei.




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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Anywho the movie looks like complete crap. Let's throw an assload of money into a film with cutting edge CGI and hope the masses will fall for passing it off as a good movie.




My sentiments exactly.


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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 3:00pm
Funny that it's mostly people who haven't actually seen it that think it looks like crap...

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Funny that it's mostly people who haven't actually seen it that think it looks like crap...


I don't mean the CGI


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 3:50pm
I still say it's worth seeing. I don't know what people are basing the "it sucks" opinion on, because the ads dont tell you anything.

It's kind of like the original star wars coming out and saying "meh"


Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I still say it's worth seeing. I don't know what people are basing the "it sucks" opinion on, because the ads dont tell you anything.

It's kind of like the original star wars coming out and saying "meh"


Or like any other movie trailer ever coming out and saying "meh, doesn't interest me"

It may be good, just doesn't look it to me.


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Posted By: TheWrAith
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 4:22pm
 It's a great movie, if you miss seeing it in 3D you are missing out.

 Thinking of seeing it in IMAX, sure is expensive but I think it would be worth it.


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Who Anywho the movie looks like complete crap. Let's throw an assload of money into a film with cutting edge CGI and hope the masses will fall for passing it off as a good movie.


You seem to be thinking of 2012 or Day After Tomorrow. Not at all the case for this


Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Funny that it's mostly people who haven't actually seen it that think it looks like crap...


I don't mean the CGI
 
Neither do I.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Funny that it's mostly people who haven't actually seen it that think it looks like crap...


I don't mean the CGI
 
Neither do I.

Than your statement makes no sense...


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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Funny that it's mostly people who haven't actually seen it that think it's going to be crap...


I don't mean the CGI
 
Neither do I.

Than your statement makes no sense...


Fixed for he who cannot interpret the semantics.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 5:49pm
I can argue semantics if I want.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 6:31pm
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