Apple is at it again
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Topic: Apple is at it again
Posted By: jerseypaint
Subject: Apple is at it again
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 5:51pm
And this time, its video games.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 6:13pm
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We've had computer games since the late 50's.
We've had online browser quality games pretty much since the invention of internet. We've had tablet PC's since the 80's.
This is nothing new.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 6:23pm
Meh, I dont think it'll revolutionize gaming or anything. As carl said it's nothing new, it's just a pretty new application of it.
Besides, the iPhone already is a pretty much legit gaming platform, one of the most common/ popular handhelds for sure. I don't see this being much more "revolutionary" than what that can already do in terms of gaming.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 10:54pm
Yeah, sorry, the tablet won't take over the gaming market. Especially an Apple tablet.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 11:21pm
Well apple is so well known for their extrordinary gaming.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 11:38pm
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I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 11:43pm
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RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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For serious? Pretty sure my wrist watch has enough computing power to play wow.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 11:46pm
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 11:47pm
For all intents and purposes, Macs and PCs have essentially the same hardware specs. They shouldn't have any problem running games that any PC could.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 26 January 2010 at 11:49pm
choopie911 wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Question on this actually. Do you still, for the most part, need to buy separate games for osx or do all games work on both windows and osx now?
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:01am
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Question on this actually.
Do you still, for the most part, need to buy separate games for osx or do all games work on both windows and osx now? |
I could be wrong, but I don't think there are many games ported over to MAC OS. You either have to run an emulator or have a dual-boot with Windows.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:01am
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Question on this actually. Do you still, for the most part, need to buy separate games for osx or do all games work on both windows and osx now? |
What I meant to say was you can run windows (and windows games then), and mac games (on os x)
You do need seperate games, for sure, blizzard is one of the few companies that puts both versions on the same disk (or at least used to?)
EA made some thing about releasing titles for mac at the same time, but its not noticeable, or maybe they just dont make what I want?
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:04am
Just think of my awesome Peggle scores when i'm playing on a tablet!!!
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:05am
choopie911 wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Question on this actually. Do you still, for the most part, need to buy separate games for osx or do all games work on both windows and osx now? |
What I meant to say was you can run windows (and windows games then), and mac games (on os x)
You do need seperate games, for sure, blizzard is one of the few companies that puts both versions on the same disk (or at least used to?)
EA made some thing about releasing titles for mac at the same time, but its not noticeable, or maybe they just dont make what I want? |
So then why would I buy an apple computer if I was a computer gamer? Since I would have to run windows anyways, wouldn't that negate the only (theoretical) advantage of buying an Apple computer: the OS? Aren't I just left with overpriced, underpowered hardware on a computer running windows?
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:07am
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Why would any one want to play a FPS with one mouse button?
Yes, I am aware that one can plug in another mouse and use it instead.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:11am
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Question on this actually. Do you still, for the most part, need to buy separate games for osx or do all games work on both windows and osx now? |
What I meant to say was you can run windows (and windows games then), and mac games (on os x)
You do need seperate games, for sure, blizzard is one of the few companies that puts both versions on the same disk (or at least used to?)
EA made some thing about releasing titles for mac at the same time, but its not noticeable, or maybe they just dont make what I want? |
So then why would I buy an apple computer if I was a computer gamer? Since I would have to run windows anyways, wouldn't that negate the only (theoretical) advantage of buying an Apple computer: the OS? Aren't I just left with overpriced, underpowered hardware on a computer running windows? |
The OS is a big advantage, in my opinion, OS X is a far better and more reliable operating system. Well, more reliable has already been debated on here, generally siding that because of the hardware control, yes it is.
But then you can easily run both OS's depending on what you're doing.
Also, underpowered? No.
I run L4D2, CSS, TF2, BF2, and more on my laptop just fine, and I've seen COD4 on them too.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:13am
The Guy wrote:
Just think of my awesome Peggle scores when i'm playing on a tablet!!!
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Better than trying to play it on a 360.
Oh and compared to my computer, they are definitely underpowered for gaming, chewp.
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:18am
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Sometimes, Choopies comes across as the Mac FE.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:25am
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Question on this actually. Do you still, for the most part, need to buy separate games for osx or do all games work on both windows and osx now?
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What I meant to say was you can run windows (and windows games then), and mac games (on os x)
You do need seperate games, for sure, blizzard is one of the few companies that puts both versions on the same disk (or at least used to?)
EA made some thing about releasing titles for mac at the same time, but its not noticeable, or maybe they just dont make what I want? |
So then why would I buy an apple computer if I was a computer gamer? Since I would have to run windows anyways, wouldn't that negate the only (theoretical) advantage of buying an Apple computer: the OS? Aren't I just left with overpriced, underpowered hardware on a computer running windows? |
So you can get out of the house and live the real life. I actually am not too much of a fan to gaming, especially computer gaming. I rarely play console games anymore.
God wrote:
Sometimes, Choopies comes across as the Mac FE.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:32am
And my font size is consistant, and I don't think jesus made my laptop, and when I broke its screen I watched it glow and heal itself.
And if you say they're underpowered, fine, but when I bought it it was peachy, and I still haven't had a problem yet with gaming.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:43am
choopie911 wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
RoboCop wrote:
I see a lot of people play games like WoW on their macbooks. No problems at all. I don't see why people have such a fuss over it.
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It's an old joke about not being able to game on macs. Everyone gets that you can run windows, or mac games just fine now.
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Question on this actually. Do you still, for the most part, need to buy separate games for osx or do all games work on both windows and osx now? |
What I meant to say was you can run windows (and windows games then), and mac games (on os x)
You do need seperate games, for sure, blizzard is one of the few companies that puts both versions on the same disk (or at least used to?)
EA made some thing about releasing titles for mac at the same time, but its not noticeable, or maybe they just dont make what I want? |
So then why would I buy an apple computer if I was a computer gamer? Since I would have to run windows anyways, wouldn't that negate the only (theoretical) advantage of buying an Apple computer: the OS? Aren't I just left with overpriced, underpowered hardware on a computer running windows? |
The OS is a big advantage, in my opinion, OS X is a far better and more reliable operating system. Well, more reliable has already been debated on here, generally siding that because of the hardware control, yes it is.
But then you can easily run both OS's depending on what you're doing.
Also, underpowered? No.
I run L4D2, CSS, TF2, BF2, and more on my laptop just fine, and I've seen COD4 on them too. |
Reliability is debatable and though I don't necessarily disagree with you (nor do I completely agree with you), I am going to ignore that point. You are tech savy enough I'm sure, that the differences in reliability and ease of use between OSX and Windows are hardly factors. I am talking about them being underpowered for the price. Power in this case is relative to price. It wouldn't matter if it could play the newest games on the highest settings if you play twice as much for it than a pc. The fact is that you pay a ton more for lower quality hardware from apple. There are pretty much three legitimate reasons that I can think of as why a person would buy an apple computer: 1) You are technologically retarded or new to computers and need the absolute easiest software to learn on. (there's nothing wrong with this) 2) You are the 1/10 of graphic designers who use apple computers and actually NEED what they have to offer (Not the 9/10 who seem to think they do) 3) You bought your apple computer as a fashion accessory (Again, nothing wrong with this unless you did for this reason and claim otherwise)
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:50am
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How does "Genuinely prefers the operating system in every way, as well as the support and coverage offered" not count?
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 1:50am
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meh, people kept saying how the iPhone is going to be this amazing gaming machine, and we all see how that turned out. Kind of like the Wii a billion games with maybe 10 that are worth playing.
I reallllllllllllllllllly want this tablet to be mind blowing cool and awesome, but I cannot for the life of me see what will make me want this or another tablet thats out right now.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 2:35am
Frog Man, the iPhone is revolutionary in the fact that it's the first successful mobile phone to bring in significant third party development. Failures like the N-Gage aside (I haz one), a cell phone has never been this versatile or had this much gaming attention.
The Wii = fail
iPhone = Monster success
If there's one thing I'll give apple, it's that they could market wooden nickels for a dollar. Even I never would have seen the iPhone attracting the mind blowing amount of development and even Indy development.
That being said-I really am not a fan. My phone is only half reliable, battery life is terrible, Internet functions are eh, and the gaming side of things is really just an advancement of things flash based browsers have been doing for years. But it did set a standard by which phone technology will be judged...and this from a computer company.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 2:45am
I missed your reasoning on the Wii = fail comment, please elaborate.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 2:52am
Mostly just Nintendo saying "eff you" to their die hard console fans and catering to the casual audience. The Box and and the PS3 are ahead by far in terms of quality in titles.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 4:05am
Not quite strato, the Wii is perfect for their die hard fans, and it has ridiculous mass appeal. The problem isn't with that. The problem is that the Nintendo Seal of Quality doesn't mean a thing anymore. Any joe can make a terrible webgame knockoff and get it published, which floods the shelves with overpriced crud.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 4:16am
stratoaxe wrote:
Mostly just Nintendo saying "eff you" to their die hard console fans and catering to the casual audience. The Box and and the PS3 are ahead by far in terms of quality in titles. |
Casual audience? I have never been impressed with anything Nintendo produced until the Wii. Sure, it isn't a powerhouse compared to the 360 or PS3, but it is fun to play.
According to NPD, the “biggest sales month ever” came with a 4% jump in overall console sales, with Nintendo leading the way with the Wii selling 3.81 million units (December 2008 saw 2.15 million units for the same month). While Nintendo DS units came in with 3.31 million pieces moved, The PS3 at 1.36 million units and the Xbox 360 at 1.31 million consoles sold.
The Wii and DS sales have eclipsed the 360 and PS3 by more than 2:1. Pretty dominant for a console full of fail.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 7:10am
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choopie911 wrote:
How does "Genuinely prefers the operating system in every way, as well as the support and coverage offered" not count? |
#1 and/or #2 Either that or non-legit.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 8:13am
StormyKnight wrote:
stratoaxe wrote:
Mostly just Nintendo saying "eff you" to their die hard console fans and catering to the casual audience. The Box and and the PS3 are ahead by far in terms of quality in titles. |
Casual audience? I have never been impressed with anything Nintendo produced until the Wii. Sure, it isn't a powerhouse compared to the 360 or PS3, but it is fun to play.
According to NPD, the “biggest sales month ever” came with a 4% jump in overall console sales, with Nintendo leading the way with the Wii selling 3.81 million units (December 2008 saw 2.15 million units for the same month). While Nintendo DS units came in with 3.31 million pieces moved, The PS3 at 1.36 million units and the Xbox 360 at 1.31 million consoles sold.
The Wii and DS sales have eclipsed the 360 and PS3 by more than 2:1. Pretty dominant for a console full of fail. |
Mostly this was about the die-hard Nintendo fans, which, as Choop was saying, counted on Nintendo in the old days for top notch quality control and a fairly steady stream of console specific titles.
Nintendo has been in quality decline since the N64 in an attempt to outsell Sony...and now, X-Box. They've succeeded to an extent, but at the cost of alot of fans, and the loss of at least one really good third party developer.
I'm so critical of the Wii because when I was a kid I worshipped nintendo-everything they put out was greatness, and their partnership with Rare produced some of the greatest titles of all time. Now their claim to fame is a series of mini-games and a fitness program-? Meh, I'll take my 360.
And yes, btw, I own a Wii :P
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 8:41am
The Wii and the DS were both catered to the casual video game user (As opposed to the PS3/360 and PSP) and Nintendo has made bank on both platforms.
I'm not entirely sure they are concerned with the hardcore gamer (Think lots of Mountain Dew, very little social life) anymore, as they know they can get two casuals to buy a Wii or DS for every dork buying a Xbox.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 9:37am
I don't think nintendo has marketed to the hardcore genre since the snes...they've always been the family friendly console that put out great, colorful games. But I guess I'm just being old school-like Choop said, it really is a natural progression from what they were to now. You have to adapt or else pull a Sega.
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 10:45am
choopie911 wrote:
I don't think jesus made my laptop, and when I broke its screen I watched it glow and heal itself.
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Some Apple fan boys believe Steve Jobs is The Almighty and talk as if AppleCare is a modern miracle, so I believe the comparison still stands.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 11:24am
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wii is a marketing marvel. To think that old technology can sell that number of units and titles is amazing by any standard. The graphics are lousy, the console is tiny with almost no add ons. And yet, it RULES on the market. They only recently had their FIRST price drop.
The wii wins over xbox and ps3, period. Because console winners are determined by product base, and wii has way more systems out there than the others.
Apple is in a different class, as they have had countless marketing marvels for years. I remember when they were in their tough times, I bought stock because Steve Jobs knows how to market. He makes his stuff fit perfectly and have style, back when pc makers were still selling off white boxes...
He made the original imac, and pretty soon they were everywhere.
When you build your company into an icon that people will tattoo onto their body... Then you know marketing, and design.
That is what apple sells, the convergence of great software to amazingly detailed hardware. That isn't compatible with junk...
Making it work well, when used as it is designed to be used.
Unlike windows that is suppost to work with all the junk that is thrown to the market daily. No wonder the software is so unreliable, look at everything it has to support...
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 11:24am
stratoaxe wrote:
I don't think nintendo has marketed to the hardcore genre since the snes...they've always been the family friendly console that put out great, colorful games. But I guess I'm just being old school-like Choop said, it really is a natural progression from what they were to now. You have to adapt or else pull a Sega. |
IMO they have done a great job keeping up. Being just a video game company they didn't really have other markets to absorb losses on each console like Microsoft and Sony. They produced a console which could sell originally for $250 and still make money off them, not to mention the tons of games.
When it comes to consoles I am a casual gamer. I do all my FPS action on my computer and leave the Wii to handle more social settings. Yesterday I dropped it off at a friend's house because after work we all end up over at his place. In the past 24 hours nobody has touched the 360 sitting next to my Wii. I think I got them all hooked on the old NES and SNES Mario games again. Hell that's why I bought it, virtual console.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is maybe you aren't part of the Wii demographic. They don't market to the hardcore gamers because they have found more money to make off of casual gamers. That's why Nintendo has sold 56 million Wiis, Sony sold 27 million PS3s, and Microsoft sold 39 million 360s.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:12pm
A couple of things on this-
a:) When I say die-hard fans, I'm speaking of Nintendo fans. I consider myself the demographic that nintendo is
marketing to-I have maybe 3-5 hours a week tops to sit at home and game. But don't confuse casual with people who don't care about the quality of the product.
b:) FE, before you declare the Wii a marvel in marketing, consider a couple of factors. For one, life expectancy of a console. Both Sony and MS are still early on in their life cycles. The Wii, on the other hand, has gaming-wise, peaked. Number two goes back to quality and is implied by point one. To KEEP UP that kind of sales rate, the Wii would have to remain valid technology wise, long past it's initial price job. The others will, Wii won't.
I see what you guys mean sales wise,and I agree it has done well, but sales are only a portion of the picture here
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 12:26pm
stratoaxe wrote:
A couple of things on this-
b:) FE, before you declare the Wii a marvel in marketing, consider a couple of factors. For one, life expectancy of a console. Both Sony and MS are still early on in their life cycles. The Wii, on the other hand, has gaming-wise, peaked. Number two goes back to quality and is implied by point one. To KEEP UP that kind of sales rate, the Wii would have to remain valid technology wise, long past it's initial price job. The others will, Wii won't.
I see what you guys mean sales wise,and I agree it has done well, but sales are only a portion of the picture here |
I'd be willing to bet that you are wrong. Wii will continue to sell more systems, and wii2 will be better graphically I bet, and still play the games of wii one...
http://www.whattheyplay.com/blog/2008/09/30/new-wii-due-by-2011/ - http://www.whattheyplay.com/blog/2008/09/30/new-wii-due-by-2011/
Have you seen wii resort? or Tiger woods golf on the wii?...
I have both, and the new sensor is amazing. Tiger woods golf is a golf simulator, and just crazy how accurate it is, and at the cost for a simulator... it blows away the competition.
That technology will drive lots of new games that will continue to be successful in the future.
Plus, unlike the other manufacturers of consoles, Nintendo has made money on every unit sold... Quite a bit actually.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/wii-manufacturing-costs-ring-up-to-just-158/ - http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/wii-manufacturing-costs-ring-up-to-just-158/
Plus you figure the average player has at least 4 controllers and at least 2 of the add on numchucks, and you have a very lucrative market.
Add in what they are spending on R&D and the wii and wii2 will be here for the long term... It will take a lot for xbox (red dot error) and ps3 to unseat it.
I have my next wii party in two weeks... How many ps3 or xbox parties have you ever heard of?
Unlike the sony ps3 where they lose money on each sale, just to "add" to their client base... Not a very good business model...
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 1:15pm
Well, several friends and I had 360 parties once a week before college started, and I know several
other people who did that so...eh?
And as far as Wii2, that's my point. I'm looking forward to Wii2, but that doesn't count towards this Wiis life cycle, which will require a second system to compensate for what the first failed to keep up with in it's generation.
My idea on the Wii? Great concept (bought mine week 1), terrible execution in several ways, so third party developers forwarded their pet IPs to the other two.
Also, buisness model-wise-without doubt Nintendo planned better financially. How do you lose money when you basically recycle a mild update of the last years system as next gen?
Don't get me wrong-I really wanted the Wii to be the best of the 3, I just don't feel (my opinion obviously) that it succeeded quality wise.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 1:27pm
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Really? Never heard of 360 parties are you joking? Maybe its the age difference but i've never actually heard of an organized wii party. Yet there have been countless 360 parties that I have heard about.
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 1:54pm
Halo 2 on LAN with 16 people was always fun.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 2:01pm
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Ok.
I'm not that big of a gamer. I prefer old school mame stuff, or wii.
My brother is a pro gamer though, and I never heard him mention stuff like that, so I though it was rare.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 2:30pm
God wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
I don't think jesus made my laptop, and when I broke its screen I watched it glow and heal itself.
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Some Apple fan boys believe Steve Jobs is The Almighty and talk as if AppleCare is a modern miracle, so I believe the comparison still stands.
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That I agree with, the worship of Jobs is pretty insane.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 2:49pm
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That's true. In this last week before the apple event today, people were talking as though steve jobs was an equal mix of Willy Wonka and Jesus Christ.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 2:55pm
Shub wrote:
That's true. In this last week before the apple event today, people were talking as though steve jobs was an equal mix of Willy Wonka and Jesus Christ. |
That always happens, and he'll get a standing ovation when he walks on stage too. This isn't anything new, this was happening back in the days of the Apple Lisa.
Heck watch Pirates of Silicon Valley, they make a joke about how they thought they were making computers, when did he become a religious icon. Heck, even...Time? did an article about the cult of mac, lol.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 3:02pm
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He turned apple from a weak third party computer maker into the largest digital device maker in the world...
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL - http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL
That is nothing to sneeze at. Too bad he didn't want to get into politics. Our country wouldn't be saddled with debt if he were running it.
Have you ever looked at how much cash apple has?... It is astounding.
I bet this will take off, as this is better than a laptop when your sitting around goofing off, plus only $499 (soon to be $399, after a few months) it will sell like crazy.
I still think the stock is overpriced though.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 3:04pm
FreeEnterprise wrote:
He turned apple from a weak third party computer maker into the largest digital device maker in the world...
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL - http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL
That is nothing to sneeze at. Too bad he didn't want to get into politics. Our country wouldn't be saddled with debt if he were running it.
Have you ever looked at how much cash apple has?... It is astounding.
I bet this will take off, as this is better than a laptop when your sitting around goofing off, plus only $499 (soon to be $399, after a few months) it will sell like crazy.
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I'm surprised you wouldn't want Steve Jobs shot on the spot if he even tried to enter politics. From a longhaired, bearded acid dropping birkenstock wearing hippy artist visonary, to a black turtleneck wearing cult icon.
Wouldn't you be afraid he'd want to make California the capital and give away free cars to the homeless or something?
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 3:05pm
Wow that thing looks retarded.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 3:18pm
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It's a bigger ipod touch, it's not going to change the world. Speaking of which, if they can sell the new ipad starting at $500, that means they are hosing people who are still paying up to $400 for the itouch.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 3:35pm
hahahaha, that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen. hahahahahahah
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 3:39pm
And it isn't Flash compatible.
Awesome.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 3:46pm
No webcam built in? What an ordinary tablet. I agree with Shub, this won't change the world, or gaming.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 4:12pm
High Voltage wrote:
No webcam built in? What an ordinary tablet. I agree with Shub, this won't change the world, or gaming.
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I'd never suggest any product would change the world, the odds of ANY device doing that are immensly slim.
I agree, no camera? Especially no front facing camera for iChat? Really? No point in the first iPad, hopefully 2nd gen is better.
No flash still really aggravates me, it better be in os 4.0
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 4:16pm
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Sure hope the reveal was worth the wait and hype to those that were interested.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 4:18pm
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Going back to the e-book reader thread recently, I am truly surprised that apple made a reading device a standard lcd screen. I'm sure it was in the interest of price, but an OLED screen would have been much more interesting, and a more favorable choice, imo.
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 4:20pm
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PopSci had an article this month that a lady is trying to make a better tablet screen. Might be worth looking into.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 5:33pm
Shub wrote:
Going back to the e-book reader thread recently, I am truly surprised that apple made a reading device a standard lcd screen. I'm sure it was in the interest of price, but an OLED screen would have been much more interesting, and a more favorable choice, imo. |
It's not just a reading device, so making an e-Ink screen would cripple every other feature of the device. Also OLED has disadvantages for the type of device that it is, so an IPS screen like it has suits it better. Especially since apple is big on colour.
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 5:35pm
http://www.apple.com/ipad/ - http://www.apple.com/ipad/
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 5:41pm
FreeEnterprise wrote:
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This can't even be a negative anymore. They replace it free within a couple weeks.
Yes it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but still Usually when your stuff breaks you have to buy a new one.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 5:47pm
jmac3 wrote:
FreeEnterprise wrote:
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This can't even be a negative anymore. They replace it free within a couple weeks.
Yes it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but still Usually when your stuff breaks you have to buy a new one.
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Though I do believe that the 360 is by far the best console out there now, I have to disagree. The red ring is still a major problem even if it is an easy fix.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 5:48pm
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Yeah, the red ring is still very inconvenient, but otherwise I feel the 360 is best as well. I still can't stand the triggers on the PS3. Curving them out instead of in? What the heck....
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 6:07pm
anyone who says the red ring of death isnt bad, is either a fan boy or stupid. Buying a product that you know is going to break is ridicules.
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 6:13pm
MS admitted 50% fail rate.
IPad....hehehehehe. I don't believe this will become a gaming device because I have my doubts that it will be popular enough.
The IPhone has the potential to kick off Nintendo and Sony in the handheld market because of the devises capabilities. But this tablet will do nothing in the way of hardcore gaming. One of many reasons being that it has no video output.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 6:30pm
Monk wrote:
MS admitted 50% fail rate.
IPad....hehehehehe. I don't believe this will become a gaming device because I have my doubts that it will be popular enough.
The IPhone has the potential to kick off Nintendo and Sony in the handheld market because of the devises capabilities. But this tablet will do nothing in the way of hardcore gaming. One of many reasons being that it has no video output.
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it really doesn't the iphone is a terrible gaming platform. Its a gimmick people will get over it fast. (the gaming part, not the phone part)
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 6:35pm
choopie911 wrote:
Shub wrote:
Going back to the e-book reader thread recently, I am truly surprised that apple made a reading device a standard lcd screen. I'm sure it was in the interest of price, but an OLED screen would have been much more interesting, and a more favorable choice, imo. |
It's not just a reading device, so making an e-Ink screen would cripple every other feature of the device. Also OLED has disadvantages for the type of device that it is, so an IPS screen like it has suits it better. Especially since apple is big on colour. |
E-ink display is horrible for anything except a dedicated book reader, like the Kindle or Nook.
OLED is a great, crisp full color display. Many new portable devices are using it, like the Motorla Droid, the google Nexus 1, and the Zune HD. It's also being used in some car dashes. The only downside for OLED is the price, which is still significantly higher than LCD equivalents.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 7:35pm
FROG MAN wrote:
Monk wrote:
MS admitted 50% fail rate.IPad....hehehehehe. I don't believe this will become a gaming device because I have my doubts that it will be popular enough.The IPhone has the potential to kick off Nintendo and Sony in the handheld market because of the devises capabilities. But this tablet will do nothing in the way of hardcore gaming. One of many reasons being that it has no video output.
| it really doesn't the iphone is a terrible gaming platform. Its a gimmick people will get over it fast. (the gaming part, not the phone part) |
Again, you're playing the wrong games. It's a great gaming platform if you're not a moron.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 7:47pm
choopie911 wrote:
FROG MAN wrote:
Monk wrote:
MS admitted 50% fail rate.IPad....hehehehehe. I don't believe this will become a gaming device because I have my doubts that it will be popular enough.The IPhone has the potential to kick off Nintendo and Sony in the handheld market because of the devises capabilities. But this tablet will do nothing in the way of hardcore gaming. One of many reasons being that it has no video output.
| it really doesn't the iphone is a terrible gaming platform. Its a gimmick people will get over it fast. (the gaming part, not the phone part) |
Again, you're playing the wrong games. It's a great gaming platform if you're not a moron. |
I don't get how people judge the iPhone as a gimmick...it's simply the controls that you're used to using on a touch screen instead of physical. If anything it's limitless...most iPhone shooters and action games I've tried give you various control schemes.
The handheld market has been in need of renovating for a long time...in fact, the iPhone answered that question for several markets.
With a hardware boost and maybe a slightly larger screen / external control option (which I believe is already in the works via Bluetooth-? Don't hold me to it though) the iPhone could easily send Nintendo and Sony back to the drawing boards.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 7:54pm
So how many of the major game companies are developing for the iPhone?
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 7:59pm
High Voltage wrote:
So how many of the major game companies are developing for the iPhone?
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ALL OF THEM!
And by that I mean...EA? Maybe Activision....that's probably it. But hey cmon HV, you of all people should know major game company != good games, just like unknown game company != bad games.
Yes theres lots of crud out there, but theres TONS of ways of avoiding the crud and finding the gold.
Now obviously its not a replacement or even on par with a real game system or console, but its not supposed to be.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 8:53pm
choopie911 wrote:
FROG MAN wrote:
Monk wrote:
MS admitted 50% fail rate.IPad....hehehehehe. I don't believe this will become a gaming device because I have my doubts that it will be popular enough.The IPhone has the potential to kick off Nintendo and Sony in the handheld market because of the devises capabilities. But this tablet will do nothing in the way of hardcore gaming. One of many reasons being that it has no video output.
| it really doesn't the iphone is a terrible gaming platform. Its a gimmick people will get over it fast. (the gaming part, not the phone part) |
Again, you're playing the wrong games. It's a great gaming platform if you're not a moron. |
Calling me a moron? I love how your such a calm and collected person unless the topic is apple.
I cant prove that the iPhone is a terrible gaming platform, It suffers from the same problem as the Wii. It looks so good on paper, everyone has one, there is a TON of games, and it makes loads of money. So everyone assumes its a great gaming platform. Unless take off the fanboy glasses and auctully see the quality of the games and how it does not play well at all.
Compared to the DS or the PSP its a terrible system, the only thing that keeps remotely interesting is quantity of games and the fact that its your phone.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 9:03pm
I'm not calling you a moron, I'm calling people who cant figure out decent games morons, because it's seriously ridiculously easy.
However, I do find it quite amusing that you're saying the Wii and the iPhone aren't any good, when they're the best selling options on the market. Someone's wrong, and I think it's you.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 9:34pm
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http://wireless.ign.com/articles/106/1061858p1.html - Apparently Rockstar likes it, GTA Chinatown Wars hits iPhone to good reviews and a 10 dollar pricetag.
Check out http://iphone.ign.com - IGN's iPhone page and spend a few minutes looking around at previous and upcoming apps. It's not earthshattering, but considering the relative short time Apple's been at this (compared to, say, a veteran such as Nintendo) I'd say developers are flocking to it pretty fast.
I'm not fanboying by any means-see my earlier comments about the iPhone-but there's no denying developers like the iPhone. It's quick, easy money for a relatively short development cycle.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 27 January 2010 at 9:37pm
choopie911 wrote:
I'm not calling you a moron, I'm calling people who cant figure out decent games morons, because it's seriously ridiculously easy.
However, I do find it quite amusing that you're saying the Wii and the iPhone aren't any good, when they're the best selling options on the market. Someone's wrong, and I think it's you. |
I dont think you read my post, but its not the iphones or the wiis quality in gaming that made them successful.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 12:26am
Chewp, you can create the most appealing product without it being the best. Don't get me wrong, the gadgets have their merits, but the reason they aren't all that great is because they have so much potential that hasn't been exploited. Nintendo could have done much more from the start, and Apple planned their device like they do all their others, with room for minor updates every year to keep the product fresh in the eyes of their followers.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 12:30am
choopie911 wrote:
I'm not calling you a moron, I'm calling people who cant figure out decent games morons, because it's seriously ridiculously easy.
However, I do find it quite amusing that you're saying the Wii and the iPhone aren't any good, when they're the best selling options on the market. Someone's wrong, and I think it's you. |
Just because something outsells the competition doesn't mean it is better. You know as well as I do that most people are morons.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 9:52am
FROG MAN wrote:
anyone who says the red ring of death isnt bad, is either a fan boy or stupid. Buying a product that you know is going to break is ridicules.
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Not a fanboy. I would rather a playstation or a good PC.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 10:33am
carl_the_sniper wrote:
choopie911 wrote:
I'm not calling you a moron, I'm calling people who cant figure out decent games morons, because it's seriously ridiculously easy.
However, I do find it quite amusing that you're saying the Wii and the iPhone aren't any good, when they're the best selling options on the market. Someone's wrong, and I think it's you. |
Just because something outsells the competition doesn't mean it is better. You know as well as I do that most people are morons. |
Also, claiming the iPhone sells as a gaming platform is stupid.
The Wii attracts casual gamers -- and that's fine, it obviously makes Nintendo lots of money. There's a ton of money to be made off of people who play games that will never be the family friendly, Mario Party type games Nintendo has been bringing to it's platforms since the dawn of time.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 10:40am
carl_the_sniper wrote:
Just because something outsells the competition doesn't mean it is better.
You know as well as I do that most people are morons. |
snicker
also... this article is interesting...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/01/27/james-p-pinkerton-ipad-tablet-steve-jobs-apple-obama/ - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/01/27/james-p-pinkerton-ipad-tablet-steve-jobs-apple-obama/
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 2:13pm
Snicker?
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 2:25pm
FreeEnterprise wrote:
also... this article is interesting...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/01/27/james-p-pinkerton-ipad-tablet-steve-jobs-apple-obama/ - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/01/27/james-p-pinkerton-ipad-tablet-steve-jobs-apple-obama/
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Clearly, I want a president who is just like the CEO of a high-end computer company.
Oh, wait...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 2:42pm
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That's twice FE has made a remark about Steve Jobs and politics, and not negatively.....its weird.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 28 January 2010 at 8:36pm
That's true. That's a whole new level of Steve Jobs hero worship.
President Steve Jobs would deliver his state of the union address in the black turtleneck, while discussing the rollout of his new healthcare program, iHealth.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 12:13am
All the machines would connect to the iTunes store.
Buy songs while you get dialysis!
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 12:26am
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And of course, all medical equipment would be brushed stainless, with few or no buttons.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:40pm
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I bet Jobs will stop releasing product anytime near the time Obama will talk to the country...
The SOTU has killed his stock... It hit 210 after the announcement.
And in just two days it is at 192...
GOOO O Bama
I hope he stumps for pelosi and reed... His touch is golden.
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 2:53pm
or maybe it was a lack of interest for his new product? oh no it cant be, its always obamas fault
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 3:34pm
FreeEnterprise wrote:
I bet Jobs will stop releasing product anytime near the time Obama will talk to the country...
The SOTU has killed his stock... It hit 210 after the announcement.
And in just two days it is at 192...
GOOO O Bama
I hope he stumps for pelosi and reed... His touch is golden. | Are you kidding?
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 4:05pm
Benjichang wrote:
Are you kidding?
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I hope he was...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 4:34pm
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yes, I am mocking Obama...
Of course he has the lead touch. Look at the market for proof.
His state of the union made investors head for the hills.
Down another 50 points today, even with that HUGE increase in gdp...
Hear that major sucking sound...
Obamanomics at work.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 4:44pm
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Yeah, the stock market is sure predictable. Not like easily spooked sheep at all.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 7:26pm
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actually, I've made some good coin shorting the market after Obama talks...
been pretty predictable where that is concerned...
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 29 January 2010 at 7:36pm
^you failed to answer my post. the stock falling could in no way be related to a lack of interest for the new product?
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 30 January 2010 at 3:26am
I'm invoking Godwin's law. There is a funny video that everyone may have seen already where "Adolph Hitler responds to the iPad". Some strong language, so I shouldn't post it, but google "Hitler ipad" and you'll find it.
Corny? Yep.
Did it make me laugh out loud? Yep.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 30 January 2010 at 3:41am
FreeEnterprise wrote:
actually, I've made some good coin shorting the market after Obama talks...
been pretty predictable where that is concerned... |
So did it boom after your precious bush?
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 30 January 2010 at 9:54am
choopie911 wrote:
FreeEnterprise wrote:
actually, I've made some good coin shorting the market after Obama talks...
been pretty predictable where that is concerned... |
So did it boom after your precious bush? |
I don't know why you assume I was a big bush fan...
You sure make a lot of assumptions about me that aren't true.
Bush, was a progressive, like mccain.
I am a Reagan fan. Big difference. And yes, during Reagans time as president our market soared.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 30 January 2010 at 9:55am
slackerr26 wrote:
^you failed to answer my post. the stock falling could in no way be related to a lack of interest for the new product? |
why should I bother $5.?
actually tech stocks fell, not just apple, which answers your question.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 February 2010 at 9:26am
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When will we stop playing with Iran as they make fools of us?..
Their latest sabre rattling will force the market WAY down... If they actually are dumb enough to launch a rocket today.
Mark my words.
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