Smaller bore barrel SL-68 II pump
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Topic: Smaller bore barrel SL-68 II pump
Posted By: BVB
Subject: Smaller bore barrel SL-68 II pump
Date Posted: 02 February 2010 at 9:13am
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Ever smaller getting paint these days makes me want an small bore aftermarket barrel more and more... 12" one-piece barrel .679 bore 2" porting VOTE ! Let your voice be heard... TIPPMANN watches And yes I know, we pumpers are inventive and will live without this... Use tape detents on J&J 12"/14" barrel slipfit (not a small bore) OR Mill down threads from CP/Lurker 14" one piece .679 bore cocker threaded OR ... |
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 02 February 2010 at 11:55am
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Tippmann doesnt watch. If you want a smaller bore barrel, harass Palmer. He can probably make something.
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 02 February 2010 at 12:41pm
A positive attitude may not solve all our problems, but it will annoy some people to make it worth the effort. This IS Tippmann - they ought to ! So... VOTE
Palmer's like mercenaries (just kidding) - Everything can be done at a price ! Barrel would probably be more expansive then new SL :-) Suppose everybody would like to keep it affordable ! - Please keep on topic |
SSOK wrote:Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 February 2010 at 12:43pm
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Meh. Tippman doesn't really make good barrels anyway. I'd bother some other aftermarket company for that, like CP or J&J. Palmer's is definitely an option, but like you said, they are expensive. But they're worth it.
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 02 February 2010 at 4:06pm
Smallest bore they make is .685 All hopes resting on TIPPMANN here ! They are the only company that can really profit from this AND with that barrel they will have an Up for their SL too ;-)
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 February 2010 at 4:59pm
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Palmer's makes their barrels with Wedgits. Those are dents arranged in a circular fashion around the base (usually below the threading, but since the SL doesn't have threads...). They hold the ball securely in place; no rollouts. I really say a PPS barrel can't be beat, other than they are pricey and heavy.
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 03 February 2010 at 9:45am
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I doubt they have the SL's with wedgits ! I'll post here if they do... Tippmann's partnership with HammerHead should make it possible to market a SL barrel, NOT ?
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 February 2010 at 11:48am
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PPS can make whatever you want them to. After all, the Blazer, which they make, uses a similar slip-fit system. And you can add Wedgits to any barrel with enough meat. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 04 February 2010 at 5:49pm
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Since you dont exactly see everyone using an SL nowadays, I doubt Tippmann is interested. Im sorry.
I aggree with you though, it irritates me when I use small bore paint and it just rolls out of my SL. My dad solved the problem by buying a NOS Smart Parts all American from the local proshop. He also uses it on his 68 Special. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 February 2010 at 7:51pm
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Take a dab of nail polish and put it on the inside of the barrel, about where the ball would sit when pumped. This should hold it in place and prevent rollouts.
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 2:24am
| @DeTrevni - Roger that about the nailpolish, but I prefer the tapedetent more (mpo) because the nailpolish tends to come lose and be shot out. Thx anyway for input... |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 3:35am
this isn't Twitter, no matter how much you would like to have a soapbox. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site 
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 4:00am
Well, positive input isn't a problem I suppose BUT again... keep on topic and VOTE (that's what topic 's about)
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 10:03am
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Judging by the number of votes, I don't think anyone really cares.
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 10:16am
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Looks like it. Guess there ought to be a third option : "I don't care !" *lol* Guess not a lot of SL players really bother making every shot count. Just wondering if people would want a small bore barrel on there SL's. If I can get this brass barrel project work out, I'll post a Pic up here to give up my poll. Until then, It will annoy some more people I guess...
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 10:19am
BVB you should probably do two things:
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 05 February 2010 at 6:09pm
You really shouldn't bash people. Not a lot of anybody reads this forum, and defiantly not Tippmann. Generalizing like that just proves how butthurt you really are over this. You posted something in an obscure corner of the internet and got upset that it got no attention. Grow up and get over it. Go find an SL-owners group, post on a modders forum, or a pump players forum. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 06 February 2010 at 3:16am
And posting a reply on this confirms it *lol* Well, didn't let any sleep for it :-) Willing to take that back of course and not having intention to generalize - Suppose it was a bad word choice. Hey, I have no bad intentions and had no clue if there's a lot of activity or interest for this on TIPPMANNs forum. Just thought - there it's TIPPMANNs forum and in particular the "Paintball idea forum - new ideas / ways to improve things" - this would be the right spot to let them know about my/the need for an aftermarket barrel. I will get my hands on a brass barrel but would be nice if there would be a cheaper way to Up the SL barrel. This is ALL I meant to point out. As far as I'm concerned, we can let this rest and there's allways the NO in the poll. Hope this will decrease tension. This all feels High Voltage ! In first place I play paintball for fun and this is just a little part of it. Cheers... |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 06 February 2010 at 10:37am
Ah ha! Now we know his true identity! -------------
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Posted By: Lord-Catboy
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 1:35pm
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Smallest barrel bore size is not .685
Do research.
Freak barrel insert kits.
They may be inserts. But they go a heck of alot lower then .685
I believe it is .679-.695
I would count a Freak barrel insert for the freak barrel. A bore. ------------- United States Blackfox Corperation: Heaven doesnt want us. Hells afraid we'll take over. |
Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 2:23pm
It's Palmers who supplies this info. They could do a wedgits Mod, but that's all there is.
And yes, freak inserts go as low as .679, I sport a freak honed barrel on my Phantom and it works great ! But a SL barrel honed for freak inserts isn't a good option because the o-ring on the bolt might pull the insert out... (this is second hand info that has caught my ear/eye)
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Posted By: Lord-Catboy
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 2:26pm
I might have read wrong, I was to busy luaghing while looking at its a trap pics. ------------- United States Blackfox Corperation: Heaven doesnt want us. Hells afraid we'll take over. |
Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 2:29pm
My bad, edited my post.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 2:30pm
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BVB, I'd like to apologize on behalf of the forum (so why are we razzing him again, guys?). I have to say, you've been taking it like a champ. A lot of people will simply throw a fit and bail. But back to the SL topic at hand. Right now, while I think there may be future room for aftermarket, I don't think it's a viable business market. Pump play is few and far between. Sure, it may be on the rise, but it's still very niche. Frankly, I was shocked Tippmann even brought back the SL. I was on the pre-order list before they were even out. :) However, I don't think they've sold enough to even consider designing and retooling for a run of aftermarket barrels. I think this leaves us SL owners on our own, using tricks like the nail polish and tape mods. But as has been stated, there are old aftermarket barrels available for the SL. The problem is they are relatively large bore compared to today's paints. I still think your best professional bet would be sending a barrel off to PPS to have them punch in some Wedgits. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Lord-Catboy
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 2:32pm
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I wasnt trying to rip off on him. I honestly dont know anything about the sl other then it being pump. Its 98 threads right? Thats why I brought up the freak. The freak sounds more practical for what hes saying. I like the idea of the rap4 rifled barrel though. ------------- United States Blackfox Corperation: Heaven doesnt want us. Hells afraid we'll take over. |
Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 2:36pm
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Well, I'll take that as an answer. I am having a brass barrel in the make. Just like all thoughts on the SL barrel. I keep an eye open on this topic ;-)
NO OFFENSE TAKEN, that's what public forums all about... |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 3:08pm
Actually, no. The SL isn't threaded. It uses a compression collar around a slip-fit barrel. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Lord-Catboy
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 3:43pm
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Well now that sucks doesnt it?
Im sure a welder could make a freak fit it just find couldnt they? ------------- United States Blackfox Corperation: Heaven doesnt want us. Hells afraid we'll take over. |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 5:26pm
and rifled barrels are never a good idea. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site
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Posted By: Lord-Catboy
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 5:32pm
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and rifled barrels are never a good idea. [/QUOTE] Correction Rifled barrels work Perfectly.
They add a few extra yards to your range, And the accuracy increases.
You just need to be using the right paint. ------------- United States Blackfox Corperation: Heaven doesnt want us. Hells afraid we'll take over. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 6:17pm
Rifled barrels work Perfectly.
They add a few extra yards to your range, And the accuracy increases.
You just need to be using the right paint. [/QUOTE]Nope. So I know where this is going, do you have a rifled barrel? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 7:06pm
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Rifled barrels do not add range. A paintball going 300 fps from a regular barrel and a paintball leaving a rifled barrel at 300 fps will travel approximately the same distance from the end of the barrel. The only independent rifled barrel test I have ever seen was done on Armson's quite a few years ago and the final decision was that it was more accurate not because of imparted spin but because the "rifling" made for a better fit between barrel and ball. (Stop-motion photography showed no spin.)
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Posted By: Lord-Catboy
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 8:47pm
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When I lived in NY I used one. We were testing it out of the box.
The paintball went 1 yard 2 feet more then the cylnder bore. ------------- United States Blackfox Corperation: Heaven doesnt want us. Hells afraid we'll take over. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 February 2010 at 9:28pm
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So, you drew this conclusion based on an approximate 3% variance in range (at 300 fps). There were no other factors such as wind, barrel length, barrel materials, bore, propellant variances, firing angle etc. that could have possibly accounted for this occurrence?
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 10 February 2010 at 2:24am
To freak or not to feak. That's the quesion ? I quote myself "... SL barrel honed for freak inserts isn't a good option because the o-ring on the bolt might pull the insert out... (this is second hand info that has caught my ear/eye)" Viva the wedgits ! (for now) btw, Can I get anybody interested in taking the poll. I can assure you it will only take a second *lol* looks good on my topic and who knows... is TIPPMANN watching ! (but I really don't want to take it there anymore...) Don't have any experience with rifled barrels in paintball but my guess is that a paintballs don't benefit from it. I'm not a Ballistician but my opinion is that you can not compare paintballs with bullets. But that's just me... On the other hand, why do they market them ? Profits ? Or maybe there are some more educated people then myself who have proven paintballs do benefit from it. There's no doubt about the more educated ;-)
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 February 2010 at 1:00am
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^^^ BVB, that last bit about the rifled barrels is right on. They really have no benefit for paintball. A lot of people I hear praising them stepped up from stock barrels straight to the Hammerhead kit, so of course they are going to notice a performance increase. But I bet if you compare them to a smooth-bore kit, they won't be any better. That said, Hammerheads are nice, just gimmicky. As for why they market them, that's just it right there. They're gimmicky, so they sell.
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 14 April 2010 at 12:47pm
If they should watch anyway... *lol*
Here's a Pic from barrel what probably every SL owner would like there SL to come stock with.
 (I'll add a topic in Upgrades and Customizing located in Paintball equipment forum.)
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 14 April 2010 at 1:18pm
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I just bought an SL-68 II barrel from APP. Ironically, it's straight-rifled. I just wanted a different barrel, and it was cheap at $20.
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: BVB
Date Posted: 14 April 2010 at 2:30pm
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@DeTrevni : Length, bore,... Any Pics ? Never seen that barrel by APP before !
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