Animals in Captivity
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Topic: Animals in Captivity
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Subject: Animals in Captivity
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 2:31pm
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Ok, so lot's of press recently about the "Killer Whale" dragging the trainer into the water and playing with her like a beach ball resulting in her death. Of course it gives the PETA and other animal rights organizations a new situation to rally around... Personally, I am morally on the fence of whether it's cruel and unusual punishment to keep animals in aquatic parks, zoos etc, but man do my kids enjoy going there. Do the benefits of exposure help conservation efforts in the long run, or is it strictly a money making scheme?
Thoughts? Opinions? ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 2:40pm
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I think it's a pretty complex issue to try to tackle. BUT, there's a lot of endangered species that are being kept alive/attempting to grow in numbers, as a direct goal of a lot of these zoos. Of course, it's man's fault these animals are endangered anyways. I feel like there's too many avenues to approach this issue from, so I'm just going to leave all of you with this rushed post. Also, wasn't that whale responsible for at least one other death too? Should have just made soup and candles out of him by now. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 3:06pm
| I personally like having zoos and aquariums. They give shows to make people interested to come to them and pay them. This money is used to try to help research and birth to endangered species. No matter what we do, these animals are still wild animals and we can't control them and have to expect the worse. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 3:10pm
Agreed. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
RoboCop wrote:Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 3:20pm
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 4:05pm
And a lot of arguments can be made that the percentage of profit made from aquatic parks that is spent on conservation is tiny compared to what is taken in. Don't kid yourself, Seaworld is a for profit organization. I think though that it shows two very diverse sides of the coin. On one hand, you have the Manatee exhibit that is essentially made up of rescued manatees that might not survive in the wild. They are also infinitely safer in the confines of an exhibit and I would imagine thrive in captivity vs being run down by drunken boaters. On the flip side you have Orcas, dolphins, and even sea lions that if released into the wild would be relatively safe and possibly even healthier. Where is the line drawn as to whether it is in the animals best interest? Do we need to stock the zoos with only unhealthy specimens that would otherwise die in the wild? How about this Orca? Should he be put back into the wild or as one poster suggested made into soup? What if he is released into the wild, realizes that he like playing with humans (pun intended) and returns to a coastal area to reek havoc? Is SW now responsible for those deaths as well? ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 4:40pm
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I thought this would be a Guantanamo thread... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 4:50pm
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First off, I need to make it clear that I'm very nearly willing to condone keeping animals in captivity for the sole reason that I'd get to be on the opposite of the fence from Peta. I have no use for those jackasses and their methodology. At the core, they make some sense, but how they go about things makes me want to tear animals throats out with my teeth just to piss them off. I guess the entire thing depends on the facilities where the animals are kept. I don't have a lot of use for such things as circuses that showcase animals to make a buck and no other reason, but well maintained zoos that try their best to recreate the natural environments of endangered or rare species of animals is just fine with me. Besides, they're just animals, they can't feel feelings. I've never seen a baboon crying itself to sleep because it was locked in a cage. If anything, zoos are GOOD for the animals....think of how stress free the water buffalo pen has to be when they realize they dont risk being gnawed on by a crocodile every time they take a drink of water. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 5:29pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 6:40pm
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^^ I wasn't really being serious, as a lifelong dog owner I know full well that animals are more than capable of a wide range of feelings from depression to anticipation, excitement and happiness. Not to mention the stories from the Culled Elephant herds in Africa, Where entire families of elephants would die of depression after losing members to culling practices. ------------- ? |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 7:23pm
I'm not a fan of seeing miserable looking elephants at the zoo. IMO sea world is very exploitative. Free the Orca or eat it, it's killed like three people now and chomped over 10 others. I'm not a fan of bad zoos, but think they do have their place in educating people and promoting conservation as well as for breeding programs, and I do get a kick out of seeing chimps entertain themselves by jump-kicking the glass next to small children or wanking in public. I have a healthy respect for animals, despite the fact that I shoot and eat them. People who treat them like furry/blubbery/ feathered people or delight in teasing them usually have it coming to them. The best case of that was the tiger jumping the wall and moat to go after the idiots with the sling-shot. That tiger could have busted out whenever it wanted to, but just needed a reason. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 7:55pm
I think rednekk pretty much nailed it here. Common sense is an uncommon trait, unfortunately, and people will mistreat animals, even at the zoo. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 8:17pm
| I have a theory as to what triggered this. The whale was part of the breeding program and after all he got was a belly-rub he got belligerent. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 8:33pm
Wouldn't you? ------------- ? |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 8:41pm
| I'm just glad I don't have flippers so I can take care of it myself. Still not gonna drown a 'ho in my toilet. |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 9:53pm
<insert free willy joke here> ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 10:41pm
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I'm not exactly sure where I stand on this issue. I think its foolish to think of all animals as if they were all wierd looking humans, however the people who think animals have no feelings, emotions, etc. are equally as foolish. Orca, dolphins, elephants, differant species of apes/monkeys, etc. are quite a bit more intelligent than we often give them credit for. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 11:13pm
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I had a really nice, well thought out response to this involving multiple realization, but the forum chose not to keep it :D Since I don't want to type it again....animal cruelty = bad, PETA = worse, animal rights in the constitution = butt stoopid, and animals in capitivity = necessary evil due to shrinking habitats and apathetic humans. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 9:46am
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FREE WILLY!!!!!!!!!! ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: PAINTBALL1
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 9:48am
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It's a really loaded topic.
I'm not a huge fan of circus animals, not the animals themselves but the more or less their envirmoent. Zoos serve a purpose, not only to educate but to study, protect and in some instances help re-populate. Nothing will ever be like living in the wild but a well maintained zoo is the next best thing. Seaworld/Amusement parks serve their purpose as well. A Zoo, while educational might not be as exciting as seeing a 12,000 pound whale jump through flaming hoops or nom a human. On that note an amusement park brings a certain excitement to humans by showing the talents or capabilities of the animals that will either A)spark interest in said animal and cause someone to want to learn more about the animal or B) Interest the guest enough to come back and spend money, and thus that money being put back into the animals or conservation projects. Sure it won't as much as what's lining the owners pockets, but something is better than nothing. The amusement parks, I think have a certain responsibility that if they are going to "exploit" the animals then they should be providing the best man made enviropment for them, and using profits from the animals to increase awareness for endangered species and demonstrate how they are impacting conservation efforts in positive ways. ------------- USAF Special Weapons Technician. |