This explains so very much
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Posted By: nickman98
Subject: This explains so very much
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 5:37pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re/us_rel_home_school_evolution;_ylt=AkgDcY0jpAW_Lk6sTbArdxis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTQwaDc3ZnF1BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMzA2L3VzX3JlbF9ob21lX3NjaG9vbF9ldm9sdXRpb24EY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5**edited**VhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDdG9waG9tZS1zY2hv - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re/us_rel_home_school_evolution;_ylt=AkgDcY0jpAW_Lk6sTbArdxis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTQwaDc3ZnF1BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMzA2L3VzX3JlbF9ob21lX3NjaG9vbF9ldm9sdXRpb24EY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5**edited**VhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDdG9waG9tZS1zY2hv
gotta love home schooled kids
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Posted By: nickman98
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 5:40pm
| link fail....help! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 8:01pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re/us_rel_home_school_evolution;_ylt=AkgDcY0jpAW_Lk6sTbArdxis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTQwaDc3ZnF1BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMzA2L3VzX3JlbF9ob21lX3NjaG9vbF9ldm9sdXRpb24EY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5**edited**VhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDdG9waG9tZS1zY2hv - Linky-dinky! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 8:29pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 8:45pm
| Lies != moral education |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 9:13pm
If anything, lies = immoral education. After all, is it not immoral to prevent the freedom of choice? That includes your choice to examine all the facts of any given argument and decide for yourself whether evolution, creationism, intelligent design, or FSM is the truth. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
choopie911 wrote:Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 9:23pm
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And seeing as how public school pretty much gives you that choice then it is all good.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 9:53pm
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A few points on my opinions about homeschooling-
A:) You can't teach religion alongside scientific theory. If anyone wants to challenge this, I'll be glad to give you very concrete reasoning.
B:) It's a persons right to homeschool their kids. That being said, it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Those are very different ideas. That, however comes with the stipulation of...
C:) You should have to have some form of formal training to educate your kids. You can argue about this all day, but in the end unless you have some form of training (at least some kind of degree in something) , you're shortchanging your kids their future. That's WRONG.
D:) Morales =/= Formal Education. Try getting a PhD or a JD with morals on your resume.
E:) I was homeschooled. My negative opinion of it is from experience. You can preach to me all day how the school is giving your kids bad morals, etc etc, but in the end it's the parents' job to teach their kids how to live, the school's job to teach scientific theory / fact / whatever you choice to call it. And if it's your BELIEF that your kids should be homeschooled, you should start at an early age preparing yourself to be a TEACHER, not decide when you're in your late twenties early thirties with an associates or, worse yet, a GED, that you don't trust the school system and give your kids an unqualified education that will screw them over for life. Trust me, this is a very difficult hump to get over in life. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 10:00pm
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When I did homeschooling 3 years ago it was on the internet and they had actual teachers that you could call for help if you needed. It was pretty neat but I couldnt keep myself on track so I dropped it and went to a private school instead, because the public high-schools around where i live are wayy ghetto. |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 10:30pm
| I went to a private christian school during middle school. The "science" book didn't even mention evolution. It actually taught the creation of the earth as the seven days deal. |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 07 March 2010 at 12:21am
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A good friend of mine was homeschooled. He is not a religious nut, in fact, he is very well informed about all religions and theories. He is probably one of the brightest people I have ever met also. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 07 March 2010 at 1:27am
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 07 March 2010 at 1:46am
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 07 March 2010 at 8:02am
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NB4 10 pages of FE nonsense. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 2:47pm
Your parents sucked. Homeschooling, aside from early interactions with women, has proven to be very advantageous for me. ------------- |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 3:17pm
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I can't believe you're trying to paint homeschooling with one gigantic brush. There are so many factors which will contribute to the overall positive or negative outcome that trying to lump it all together as a good thing or an evil thing is absolutely ridiculous. ------------- ? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 3:40pm
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"a growing home-school education market that encompasses more than 1.5 million students in the U.S."
"Slatter said home-school material sales reach about $1 billion annually in the U.S."
So each parent that homeschools spends around $666,000 per year for homeschool materials?...
The media always makes the homeschool size MUCH smaller than it actually is...
I read that it was way over 2,000,000 in 2008. Personally I know about 15 families that have started in the past year.
I bet the true number in the US is much, much higher than that as of 2010.
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2009/section1/indicator06.asp - http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2009/section1/indicator06.asp
1999 850,000 homeschooled
2003 1,100,000 homeschooled
2007 1,500,000 homeschooled
2010?
Our public education system is a joke today. Much better education can be had at home, with parents that are focused on "Johnny" instead of teaching to a test, and covering all the politically correct topics. While ignoring the fact that half the public school class can't write or read at their grade level... ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 3:54pm
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Just because half he class is retarded doesn't mean that your child will be retarded because he or she goes to that school. Schools do have honors/ advanced placement classes that allow students to push themselves. Public school isn't bad, but what you get out of it is based on what you put in. You don't have to teach your kid everything yourself at home for him or her to get a good education, you just have to encourage him or her to put forth the effort at school and be able to help your kid with homework. The ones who are failing are doing so because they don't care. They don't care because their parents don't care. Those students who do care and excel do so because their parents have taught them to care about school. ------------- 
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 3:54pm
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you do realize that kids do not learn certain social skills when they are couped up at home right? they also dont have a chance to form an opinion about other things other than what you tell them is right ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:06pm
Slacker please...
The whole "socialization" argument is so tired... Tell me, when in life do people ever spend 8 hours a day with other people their exact same age for 12 years....
ONLY in public school.
My kids can carry on a conversation with anyone... Not just someone that is their exact same age. I see so many social misfits that apply for jobs at my company, and they were all public educated. Does that mean public education falls down on their "socialization"?...
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000000/00000068.asp - http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000000/00000068.asp
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:07pm
| The key to public education is honors/AP. If the school your kid will be going to doesn't have that, find a different one. In HS, I only took one non honors or AP class, and I can definitely say the quality of education at my public HS was much higher than at the private middle school I attended. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:18pm
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You guys are still missing the point. Public education is fine if you want to produce a follower. A person who will not worry about quality of work, because when the bell rings, you have to drop what you are doing and move to the next task. That is teaching people to be union workers. Not to mention the way they just pass everyone on, and teach to the worst student... even in honors classes...
Homeschooled children are given the ability to do what they enjoy. When they are working on a project, they can keep working on it all day if they want, and even into the night. My daughter was working on a project last night at 8:30 pm... Not because she "had to finish" to turn it in the next day, but because she was enjoying the learning/creating process.
Public education is fine for the masses. But, if you want excellent, fun education which yields amazing results. Homeschooling is the only way to go. My kids love school, always have, and that is the biggest difference. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:24pm
------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:25pm
hmm that sounds familiar. in the workplace maybe? na cant be. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:33pm
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I find it funny that FE complains about people generalizing homeschooling as terrible, but continues to do the exact same with regards to public schooling. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:34pm
THIS!!!!! ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:36pm
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FE, there are certainly pluses to homeschooling, but there are also cons. You are right that often teachers have to teach to the worse student. If you get a good teacher, they will let people fail if they deserve to. I had 2 teachers like that in high school, both AP and both had been teaching for decades. The thing is, in college, class is NOT taught to the worse student. If you fail, you fail and that's that. One of the major pluses I see for public (or sometimes private) education is often you get teachers with degrees in what they teach. This provides a huge advantage to the kids. They get to learn the subject from somebody who enjoys it and is very knowledgeable about it. Not from a parent who is a chapter ahead of their kid in the textbook or a teacher over the phone. You wouldn't expect to be able to homeschool your kid to a physics degree, would you? I sure as hell couldn't teach a kid HS level English. I'm pretty sure many parents with non technical degrees couldn't come close to effectively teaching calc, chemistry, physics, etc. Tying to the other thread, will you teach your daughter about evolution and the big bang theory along with creationism (and the merits of both)? |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 4:38pm
but he has been healed by god, so you are wrong. -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 6:04pm
You do realize that a good proportion of forumers here contradict this right? -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 6:06pm
Homeschooling stifles original thought. You're getting all of your information from the same person/ people, with the same bias every time, with the same biased person answering your questions. Not to mention homeschooling tends to have just....sad...sad results in terms of social skills, which are hugely important. |
Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 6:53pm
Not that I am agreeing with FE here...but I wasnt aware that everyone I work with was the exact same age as me. I was just interviewed for an internship by managers that were 40+ years old...I guess Im not getting the job since we aren't the same age.  -------------  |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 7:21pm
depends on the workplace i guess then. because in the department of the store i work at it is all 16-18 year olds -------------
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 7:33pm
Yes but once you get past that 18 year old mark...the age difference increases at any job. ------------- |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 7:35pm
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for the most part ill agree with you on that
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 10:30pm
Wait.... Why are they teaching to the worst students if they're just going to pass everyone on? You can contradict yourself in the same sentence. ------------- Skillet: I've never been terribly fond of the look of a vagina |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 11:13pm
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i didn't read the whole thread but I feel my opinion matters here since, my two brothers and I were all home schooled. I loved homeschooling, my mom taught it very christian orientated and basically told us " I don't know about evolution so read a text book, read the bible, and come to your own conclusion" My oldest brother is a mechanical engineer, currently in med school. I am in 3rd year electrical engineering, and my other brother is a carpenter. I know homeschooling doesn't always work, but it can. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 08 March 2010 at 11:15pm
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^but the biggest difference between that and FE is that your mom allowed you to form your own opinion. FE only teaches his kids by the way of the bible
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 2:53am
Pretty much the same thing for me... I'm about to get certified in Radiology, as well as continuing Pre-med. My sister is in the field of cellular research. Both home schooled... Both honors graduates. ------------- |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:53am
Did your sister give anyone a glass rose? |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 4:04am
Clever ;) ------------- |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 4:11am
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My god the ignorance in FEs generalizations is amazing.
How many doctors, lawyers, presidents, and dare I say ministers came from public schools? It's about the student, not the enviroment. Your ideas are not only ignorantly biased, they're offensive to the people that came away with amazing skills and ideas from the public school system. Homeschooling is fine if your parents are QUALIFIED teachers. But just being paranoid and anti establishment doesn't qualify that. While your kids may have turned out fine, I can name you plenty of dumbass socially immature homeschoolers that couldn't pass an Accuplacer if their life depended on it. Broad sweeping generalizations are a fallacious argument form. So is saying "I saw some punk public school misfits, therefore all public schoolers are misfits". -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 4:36am
You can't possibly know that for sure. It's entirely possible that FE will let his children make their own decisions after presenting both sides equally. It's not likely, given his bias and his general misunderstanding on the fundamentals of a few sciences and science in general, but you shouldn't assume.
I've never experienced either of these in my eleven years in a public school (K and 1st were in a Christian school). In every class I can remember there were people who failed (if only because they didn't do their work), and I don't remember a single time where we were set behind because someone didn't understand something. Does anyone have first-hand experience with these problems?
Which can become a crutch once they are put in an environment that
requires they do things they don't like for people they don't like.
Learning to deal with teachers who agitated me and learning when and
how to apply proper dissidence in public schools has been invaluable to
me in areas outside of school.
I don't doubt homeschooling forces children to do things they would rather not do, but authority is ALWAYS in the hands of a family member or close friend to the family.
Elitist.
The point of proper socialization is not to deal with people who are the same age for extended periods of time, but you are right, there isn't as much merit to the socialization argument as non-home-school people seem to argue. For one thing, quite a bit of a child's social interaction aptness is developed before he is sent off to school. Between the ages of 1 and 4 are critical for the development of sociability, and quite a bit of what comes after is just learning what is proper in interacting with others. Home-schooled kids also interact with people much more than they get credit for. I've never heard of home schooling being a child sitting with their parent for eight hours a day, mimicking the public education experience. Usually, there is the usual lecturing on behalf of the instructor, but added in is back-and-forth conversation about the topic and, more importantly, expeditions to educational places like museums or zoos and whatnot (and if the kids I knew are any indication, this is done as a group with other home-schooling families). One of my major gripes with homeschooling socialization is that rarely is the child confronted with someone who ingenuously presents alternate views for them to seriously consider. People may try very earnestly to allow their kids to make their own decisions, but very rarely is a parent able to completely omit bias from the material. The second, and more important gripe is the lack of exposure to people of different socioeconomic statuses and different backgrounds. None of the people I knew who were homeschooled had ever known someone who came from a family where money was always a concern, and their views on things most certainly reflected that (one of the less quick ones was even so bold as to say "well if they are so hungry and they don't have food, why don't they just go buy some?"). I enjoy the fact that I was fortunate enough to be genuinely exposed to, and to a significant degree, people who HAD to join gangs because their parents were too poor to move somewhere else and if they didn't join, they would have no protection to rely on when aggressors would attack (which was certain to happen). Or people who sold drugs so that they could, among other reasons, obviously, ease the stress of their parents because they weren't sure food would be available otherwise. Or, most unfortunately, people who were killed before they made it to high school or whose mother was raped and killed on her way home from work. Because I knew and was friends with some of those people, I feel like I'm in a much better position than most in my socioeconomic class to appreciate what some people have to go through and what sort of effect policies the government enacts or proposes will have. Unless regular trips to the ghetto are a part of the home school regiment, the children being homeschooled are missing out on the chance to learn what it is like for less fortunate people in a genuine way (as genuine as is possible without actually living it, anyway). But that's something that quite a few public school kids miss out on too, so meh. ------------- 
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 11:01am
I dont buy that. My mom only has grade 10 high school, and home schooled us. My mom was someone to make sure we got up, and put in 6 hours a day, she did very little "teaching". If there was a topic we were confused about, she would help us find it in the text book, or go the library and get extra material. You don't need to a qualified teacher to home school imo. You just need to have some common sense and decent text books. also, do you actually believe the success of a student is independent in the environment he/she learns in? (i am not anti public school, I will public school my children) ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 11:41am
My mother had a GED (I think she ended up getting a diploma at some point, but absolutely no college). I love my mom, and I appreciate what she was trying to do, but respecting mine and your mothers doesn't make something right. I'm not downing your mother by any means, but I stand by my statement that it's unfair to kids . And yes I do believe, to a certain extent (obviously there are extremes and exceptions) that a dedicated student can succeed in a bad enviroment. But that's no reason to give kids a bad one to start with. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 11:50am
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I agree, we need to offer the best solution available for our kids... And based on public educations failings in the past 30 years, we should commend Obama for his results based commitment for public education.
This is a good article about the issue.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3476046.html - http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3476046.html
And this is going on in Central falls currently. A typical union move...
http://www.educationnews.org/commentaries/opinions_on_education/60430.html - http://www.educationnews.org/commentaries/opinions_on_education/60430.html
And Obama agrees with firing them. Good for him, I appreciate his stand on this, and hope he continues forcing schools to stop focusing on giving teachers more protection from their failures.
http://wbztv.com/local/central.falls.high.2.1528415.html - http://wbztv.com/local/central.falls.high.2.1528415.html
It is impressive that he would stand up to his union supporters in this way, and I am surprised and impressed... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 11:57am
| You think bad teachers should remain teachers? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 12:22pm
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http://www.successful-homeschooling.com/homeschooling-statistics.html - http://www.successful-homeschooling.com/homeschooling-statistics.html
I think in America we get the education we strive for, regardless of public or private, or even homeschool. Any can make successful people, although some make it much harder...
I have never said how I educate my children, other than the fact that they are homeschooled. I think education is learning to think, and to think you must look at multiple viewpoints to make your own decisions. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 6:37pm
100% agreed.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 March 2010 at 9:26pm
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A good article on teacher selection and importance:
http://www.gladwell.com/2008/2008_12_15_a_teacher.html - http://www.gladwell.com/2008/2008_12_15_a_teacher.html |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 7:11am
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Holy hell, there is so much 'fail' on both sides in this thread its amazing. ------------- ? |
Posted By: nickman98
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 8:03am
 this was so worth posting....ahhh dance minions dance
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 9:44am
Holy carp! The Apocalypse is nigh. Edit: On a serious note, I know several families that homeschool and have come to the conclusion that the intensity of the education is generally greater than in public school but you pretty much get the same ratio of winners/losers regarding personality/socialization. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 9:58am
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Some of the smartest or most sociable people I know have been homeschooled. Some of the most idiotic or least sociable people I know have been homeschooled. The only consistency I see among the demographic is the extreme idolization of the views of their parents. It seems that parents aren't so much concerned with the quality of their child(ren)'s education as they are with the exposure of their kid(s) to other views without the ability to be around to throw in their opinions. And education depends more on the student than anything else. Yes, the public school system isn't ideal. But a determined student can get into higher level classes and even college classes before one graduates. The downfall is that a student has to go out of his way to take some of those classes. The equivalent of my school's Calc 3 is not offered in any high school I know of in the US, but it is offered in other high schools around the world. The only thing I've seen (and done) in public schools is the ability for those who do math well to take math classes in the next grade up than yours. There's that and "Gifted Education," which is a total load of horsecrap. Yes, I was in it. No, the standards weren't much higher. No, it didn't make a difference in the end. It just made you feel like you were more important than the other kids in your grade. If both parent and child are super dedicated, it's certainly possible for the child to have much more knowledge in the end. However, that combination also works if the child is in public school. I had a friend who in elementary school would steal his older sister's calculus and other textbooks and study them. He left us at the end of 11th grade for MIT. Bottom line, the benefit of homeschooling isn't as much for the kids as it is for the parents. ------------- 
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 10:44am
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The question is, what can be done to improve our school system? Or what system should we adopt that would be more benificial?
My opinion: German school system FTW. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 11:06am
Well here in Texas we could stand to pay our teachers substantially better, and get rid of TAKS. Also, smaller schools would be nice, but that's less probable to happen. -------------
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 1:15pm
Agreed that we should be looking to improve the system rather than abandoning it unless something much better comes about. My mom is a teacher here in NJ and has told me a bunch of stories about the nonsense that goes on in schools nowadays. Did you know that teachers aren't allowed to use red pens to correct papers because it supposedly makes kids feel bad? Or that she can't correct a students spelling mistakes because it stifles their creativity? The latter is referred to as "inventive spelling" by the way. When I was in elementary school, it was referred to as "try again stupid" and there were red marks on the paper to show me what I did wrong so I would *GASP* learn to do it right next time. As a kid you feel bad whenever anybody tells you that you did something wrong but that's a good thing because that's what makes you less inclined to make that mistake next time. This bullcrap in schools has to be eliminated if students are to get any sort of educational value from going. Stuff like that would be a good reason to homeschool your kids or send them to private schools without nonsensical rules like that. Hell, if I had kids and found out that was happening I'd immediately look into better schools and raise hell with whoever decided to put that policy into effect. Stuff like that makes me want to puke. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 1:24pm
shens. i get red graded papers every week, and we are corrected when words are spelled wrong -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 5:25pm
Shens on your shens. Just because you haven't experienced something does not mean that it isn't happening somewhere. http://www.mainstreetnews.com/archives/10137-COLUMN-Inventive-spelling-another-educrat-outrage.html - Inventive spelling example . (Which is worrisome even after you ignore the obvious bias of the article.) http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2004/08/23/harshness_of_red_marks_has_students_seeing_purple/ - Grading in red . A search on either topic will turn up many more examples of what mod98commando mentioned. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 5:51pm
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Red is used because it is a visually stimulating colour. It draws your eyes to the mistake. It doesn'thave bad conotations, it has contrast.
Heck even exans I got 100% were graded in red. Get more than 51% and you'll see red as a positive colour, all those little red tick marks out numbering the crosses. Honestly we need to round up all the hippies, and beat them. Can we bring back the 60's? |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 7:57pm
as i am also in NJ, my shens overpowers your shens! -------------
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 8:09pm
Thank you Mack for making up for my laziness on the linkage. I should also mention that my mom works at an elementary school so they deal with much younger kids, probably younger than anybody on this forum, let alone T&O. Of course, this may not be happening across the nation but I assure you it happens where my mom works and apparently in some other places too. They also have this notion that there should be no competition in any sports or events that the kids take part in. So they may play something like soccer in gym but they can't keep score and nobody is to be declared winner/loser. If awards are given out, everybody gets one so nobody feels bad. I agree that it's time to round up the hippies and give 'em a beating. This crap is stupid and is a detriment to these kids. I'm scared to see how they turn out when they get older. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 March 2010 at 8:28pm
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 11 March 2010 at 12:32pm
You overestimate the power of your shens. You may be in NJ but you are not at that school and probably aren't even in that area. And since I'm obviously in NJ and my mom works there, my anti-shens are at least as powerful as your shens. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 11 March 2010 at 1:49pm
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then i believe we have come to a shens/anti-shens standoff
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 11 March 2010 at 1:55pm
Oh but I have declared shens on both of your shens, while the power of my shens may not be very high, it combined with your shens, has done more then enough to show that both of you are full of it.  ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 11 March 2010 at 2:07pm
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the Department of education knows how to handle this...
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0 - https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0
cha-chunk! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 11 March 2010 at 2:14pm
you wear pink gloves, therefore, your shens holds no value whatsoever  -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 11 March 2010 at 3:35pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 March 2010 at 7:38am
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Looks like Texas is going to make a big improvement in our curriculum...
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/03/texas-school-board-backs-conservative-curriculum/1 - http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/03/texas-school-board-backs-conservative-curriculum/1
Oh, and "I" may have had some influence...
"• Removed most references to "capitalism," "capitalist" and "free market," because conservatives said they had a "negative connotation." Instead, "FreeEnterprise" will be used when referring to the U.S. economic system."
Again, where you go to get your news influences your opinion of the story.
Here is another example of liberal bias. Notice how they go on the attack right away against the "conservative board members"... But, they totally ignore the reason they needed to push back...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/14/backstory-how-the-texas-t_n_496831.html - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/14/backstory-how-the-texas-t_n_496831.html
This article actually covers why the "conservative board" had to do something... Notice how this entire part of the discussion is missing from the huffpo article?...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/11/kelly-shackelford-texas-textbook-social-studies-standards-american-history/ - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/11/kelly-shackelford-texas-textbook-social-studies-standards-american-history/
"Probably for that reason, a liberal onslaught has been unleashed to try to influence these education standards. An unelected review panel, not the elected members of Texas State Board of Education (SBOE), attempted to push through a number of highly questionable changes to the standards – removing Independence Day, Neil Armstrong, Daniel Boone, and Christopher Columbus – from them. They even dumped Christmas and replaced it with Diwali. You can’t make this stuff up! After a huge outcry from citizens and strong leadership by conservatives on the Texas State Board of Education, each of these changes was reversed.
Sadly, the attacks didn’t stop there. Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison were removed from World History, yet Mary Kay and Wallace Amos (of Famous Amos Cookies) were added, it appears, for more “diversity.” That’s unbelievable. Edison is the greatest inventor in American history with over 1,000 patents; oh, and by the way, that Einstein guy was pretty successful too! so, in review a group of non elected liberals try to ram through further dumbing down of our education and the actual elected board pushes back. And if you read almost any of the articles out, that isn't mentioned. The only part mentioned is the way the "conservative" board (which was elected mind you) is "influencing" our education.
Good for those elected officials, the liberal public education in America has poisoned the mind of too many of our youth already... We don't need MORE of that junk. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 15 March 2010 at 4:44pm
You do know huffington post is a liberal blog, right? ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 March 2010 at 5:01pm
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Sounds like an accurate way to describe them... "The split is 10-5 in favor of Republicans. Of those 10, seven are highly conservative." ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 March 2010 at 6:16pm
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Also, "removing Independence Day, Neil Armstrong, Daniel Boone, and Christopher Columbus – from them. They even dumped Christmas and replaced it with Diwali. You can’t make this stuff up! After a huge outcry from citizens and strong leadership by conservatives on the Texas State Board of Education, each of these changes was reversed." I like how Fox is obviously not conservative biased. Why not say strong leadership by people who aren't stupid? Not to mention they don't even touch upon the fact that country and western music is listed as an important cultural influence, but want hip hop removed. ------------- Que pasa?
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