Texas: Palm, meet Face.
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Topic: Texas: Palm, meet Face.
Posted By: Gatyr
Subject: Texas: Palm, meet Face.
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 9:07pm
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html?src=me&ref=general - Texas Board of Education at it again. This is just pathetic. ------------- 
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 9:12pm
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This is shocking! Wait, no, sadly it's not. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 9:35pm
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I saw this the other day on the news....it pisses me off to no end. Such stupidity is amazing.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 9:58pm
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"History has already been skewed. Academia is skewed too far to the left." Um, no. As research on a subject continues and increases, the probability of academic representations of that subject approaching factual truth approach 1. It's like a reverse Godwin. If reality is 'skewed too far to the left', well, tough. Go cry over your bowl of false conceptions and erroneous beliefs. "There were no historians, sociologists or economists consulted at the meetings, though some members of the conservative bloc held themselves out as experts on certain topics." Screw the experts. They ain't 'Merican enough. Cut! "Mavis B. Knight, a Democrat from Dallas, introduced an amendment requiring that students study the reasons “the founding fathers protected religious freedom in America by barring the government from promoting or disfavoring any particular religion above all others.” It was defeated on a party-line vote." Screw the first amendment. It ain't 'Merican enough. Cut! "Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)" One of the founding fathers didn't say what we want to founding fathers to have said. He ain't 'Merican enough. Cut! This is so many different kinds of wrong... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 10:17pm
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The Pendulum Therory at its finest. For so long the ciruculum was swinging 'progressive' and courses leaned too far left forgeting or 'dumbing down' history, english, high math and sciences. Now the pendulum in Texas swingsd right and hopefully one day it will sit at center.
I find it interesting that in my college level American government class the majority of the recent high school graduates did not even know how the government works structurally, but know how 'bad' Bush was, and the standard 'talking points'. The prof actually showed the old 'School House Rock' video on how a bill becomes law so the class could hopefully grasp. Culture studies should not be the 'primary' emphisis in high school, the fundimentals should, one of the reasons we are falling behind Germany, India, Japan, China in core high subjects. Government Question: Who is the President of The Senate? Answer carefully then read Sarah Palin's answer and wonder why the press called her answer 'dumb'. ------------- 
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 10:23pm
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Since when does the left hate history English math and science? -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 10:33pm
My American civics are rusty, but it's the Vice President, is it not?
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oldsoldier wrote:Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 10:43pm
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Yes, but when Sarah Palin mentioned that 'fact' the media called her an 'idiot'.
The left is not against history when it conforms and is molded into thier belief system. The word is 'revisionist'. White slave owners created the country and fostered the slave trade. No one mentions the majority of the founders who were against slavery, just the few targets required. Both Abraham Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas (1858) stated that slavery in the US would die on its own as the population of the south increased and the need for jobs for that population overwhelmed the slave market. But few know the progression of slavery in the South from the founding and the individuals most responsible for its continuation. And which party right up to the 60's was segregationist. -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 10:57pm
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+1 e punch to oldsoldier.
The democratic party denies that it was conservative until the 1930's? Really? It's called realiignment and it occurred from 1932 and 1952. What is your problem exactly? The democrats turned progressive to individual rights and the repubs turned conservative. How can you make a positive spin on that? Zomg, we used currently hate you, they used too, but they now support you, now turn against them. You'll agree with us... ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 11:07pm
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I think the major swing was in the 60's just after the Civil Rights Act. The Democrats (Dixiecrats) were firmly segregationists and it took Republicans to push the bill to passing. George Wallace ran on a segregationist as well as the Dem party platforms. The 'radicals' as they were called drifted to the more 'socialist' inclined Democrats as the Dems reeled from defeat in 68, and looked for a new voter base, and platform to counter the Republican Conservative message. The Democrat change actually chased the Dem Dixiecrats to the Republicans.
Research the 68 Democrat Presidential contenders, and the major shift in platforms after the defeat of 68. I still remmember Georgia in the early 70's and even today in the deep south as I drove my truck in Democrat led communities where Dems are firmly in charge politically and there is a very distinct culture line drawn and supported politically in Mississippi, Alabama, Louisianna, and still along racial lines. -------------
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Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 11:37pm
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wow
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 1:59am
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As an aspiring History teacher/atheist, this rubs me the wrong way in many ways, but if I can play devil's advocate (something the discipline should require) I'd like to share my thoughts. Academia IS slanted to the left, my leftist professors would agree and not necessarily think it's a good thing. Most will admit that they have a personal bias, the good ones acknowledge that and he great do such a good job you could never tell what it is. From what I have read, the new criteria covers some important issues that have been ignored. The '94 elections were covered in my high school textbooks, but the influence of conservatism has been a great force shaping modern politics, and it's about tie it has been examined and recognized for it. Teachers in many districts don't need to teach directly from the text. Accommodations to those with special needs, I think you could each an effective lesson in a cave drawing in the sand with a stick. Ultimately a teacher's task is to provide students with information, preferably primary sources and he tools to make sense of them. Even if you have a bias textbook, it doesn't mean you're going to automatically brainwash students into believing the text word for word. Hell, my future students are going to read some of the nti-federalist papers if I have anything to say about it. Overall I find the process and motivations behind this disgusting, and the downplaying of Jefferson retarded, but our history has a bad habit of sanitizing historical figures. The lack panther's and race riots should get time along with Dr. King and Rosa Parks. Parks' treatment by history disturbs me a lot. I don't think she gets enough credit for her activism, she's often portrayed as someone who committed a spontaneous ac of passive resistance, students need to whole story of how she was actually involved in the civil rights movement. I refuse to see this as an assault on history, considering the ever changing nature of how it interpreted, crazy as these people are, they do have some points, and this is nowhere near as intellectually insulting as teaching intelligent design. I'll withhold final judgment until I can get my hands on one of these textbooks. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 2:56am
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Another really sad thing. I almost posted this link to my facebook, until I remembered that most people I know, would think that this is a good thing. (if they actually read it) ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 8:08am
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OLD... http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=184786&PN=4 - http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=184786&PN=4
Interesting that the NY Times ignored the reason they needed to go right in this discussion... Typical liberal msm spin.
Here I'll post it again.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/11/kelly-shackelford-texas-textbook-social-studies-standards-american-history/ - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/11/kelly-shackelford-texas-textbook-social-studies-standards-american-history/
The unelected liberal group was going wacko as usual... And the ELECTED board put them back in their place, and then fixed some stuff that has been going on for years in our
Here are some examples, we live in a constitutional republic. NOT a democracy, they fixed that, but I bet many of you (since you were taught this) will argue that point.
Capitalism has been demeaned by the left to such an extent that most youth now think it is bad. Hence the need to use my moniker.
Free Enterprise is the only way to large scale success. Even though the President is trying to destroy the free enterprise system. (hmm, based on his liberal education?...) A clear look at history will lead anyone to see that it is the most powerful economic system in world history. Even a glimpse of the first pilgrims will enlighten people to the power of free enterprise.
Remember, they came to America, and built "communal" gardens, that they all helped out in. And they almost starved.
Then they gave each family their own piece of land to do with as they saw fit... And what happened? They never worried about starving again, as they worked harder when it was for only their family... And used the extra that they got to sell and again support their OWN family.
Free Enterprise is the engine that makes a society successful. Liberal education teaching people to just go out and get a job to work for the rest of your life, is a lesson in following instead of leading. They might as well just have everyone work in the same fields again. Because "it takes a village"... (ah, NO, it takes a FAMILY).
Liberal ideals like this only put the populus in a position where they will starve...
And we are witnessing this first hand now. but, how many can connect the dots?... With the indoctrination that goes on in public schools... evidently not many, as the socialist was elected, primarily by the youth...
I'm sure there isn't a correlation there... ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 8:27am
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The issue here isn't that Texas is conservative, it's that it's full of stupid people, then. Although these guys aren't doing any better than what you're accusing the liberals of doing. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 8:51am
I don't understand your statement...
One group was trying to dumb down the education... (a liberal unelected group)
And the actual elected board pushed back and fixed some of the stuff this same group did in the past, which indoctrinated instead of educated our youth for the past decade... The same decade many of you were "schooled" during. While the liberal media made these elected members out to be CrAzY ConserVaTives... while ignoring the reason they needed to do this...
You really don't see the spin by the media on this?...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 9:41am
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FE, elected or unelected, voting on changing history doesn't make it true and it is still wrong to teach little kids lies, regardless of how warm and fuzzy the lies are and how many many votes they passed with. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 10:03am
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The trouble with an elected body is that at times they need to pander to the electorate. That's exactly what's happened here. They're changing the curriculum for POLITICAL reasons. Nobody here is arguing that capitalist market theory ought not be included in a curriculum. I'm 100% in agreement with you there. But they're taking out Jefferson, for instance, who was very prominent in the development of Western democratic liberalism, but whose politics the school board doesn't agree with. Not everything is best done by an elected body. In this case we have a school curriculum that will shape a generation of kids being decided by a politically motivated body, most of whom lack actual expertise in the subject matter. This is sad. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 10:06am
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So you are for removing Christmas and adding "Diwali". Got it...
What other "lies" did they propagate with these decisions? ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 10:10am
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FE, you can't just brush off their pretty blatent agenda on this one. I'm with bri on this one. Yes, teach them about capitalism. Seriously tho? Removing Jefferson? Even you have to admit there is some really stupid things going on here, even if you don't dissagree with the entire thing. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 11:49am
Removing Christmas was stupid, and I challenge you to find me saying otherwise. Do not presume to tell me what I am and am not for if you cannot substantiate it. That is akin to lying. Blatant politics in the curriculum by BOTH sides is stupid. this time it's the Republicans. Unfortunately, their attacks on the curriculum seem to be on more substantial issues. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 11:57am
again ^... Instead of this becoming another tired partisan argument on this board. Let us all be specific.
I pointed out a specific example which the liberals were trying to change.
You said they were lying to the children. What specifically about the proposed changes is a lie... There were quite a few things covered, and based on the "outrage" and facepalm references it should be pretty easy for you guys to pick a few of these lies. Or are you just buying the spin of the media outlet that you got your "news" from? Since they "told you" this was only partisan politics.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 12:14pm
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Maybe you are talking about the lie of civil rights being supported by the democrats?...
You know, since the democratic party is typically supported by blacks currently, they wouldn't have a problem with the fact that the majority of the people who voted against civil rights were democrats?...
Oh, yeah, they don't teach that currently. But, that is one of the things that will change under this new series of recommendations. Is that a lie?
Here is the actual list of votes according to wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
By partyThe original House version: #cite_note-King-8 - [9]
Cloture in the Senate: #cite_note-9 - [10]
The Senate version: #cite_note-King-8 - [9]
The Senate version, voted on by the House: #cite_note-King-8 - [9]
You would think that was kind of important wouldn't you?... Naa, must be one of those lies you were talking about. Democrats only supporting civil rights with 60% of their vote... While republicans supported it with over 80%...
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 3:49pm
Why would they teach that? In the end the party affiliations don't matter. How many democrats that voted against civil rights are still serving to make it relevant to teach? ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 3:53pm
| Current politics shouldn't dictate history, that's just a scary road to go down. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 8:17pm
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Robert Byrd (D) WV, was on of the Dems to vote against the Civil Rights Bill, and is still serving, not to mention he was a card carring member of the KKK, but that is never taught either.
History needs to be taught as it was not as it 'should' of been. And the primary reason it should be taught 'truthfully' is so the next generations learn from the examples and not repeat any of the mistakes. The schools are quick to teach any fault of the Republicans no matter how old the facts as the see them are. "Nixons War" is how Vietnam is seen based on the modern teachings and song lyrics by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. But the war was a pure Democrat started and escolated war, Kennedy and Johnson ramped it up, Nixon brought it to an end. FDR was an admirer of the 'socialist' trends in Europe in the 30's, and was quick to use that in his economic policies and alphabet agencies. Is that taught, no, for that too is an "inconvienient truth". Again the Pendulum swings and it is uncomfortable for many who have banked thier future on more leftist leanings. Reading, writing, arithmatics, should be the core, with advanced math and sciences, not culture studies and the history of rap. -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 9:05pm
EDIT: I feel that culture studies are far more important than advanced math and sciences. For the people who actually pay attention and aren't retarded they should know enough in middle school about those to get them through life. Learning about the people you will meet in life(the want to take out latino culture) is something that people need. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 10:21pm
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OK when will culture studies get you into nuclear physics, engineering, computer sciences, all those high tech fields that companies need to go overseas for for 'qualified' candidates. SO we should continue the 'dumb down' process in advanced math and sciences because they are not 'important' in the world you plan on living in jmac. Shows where your thought process is founded from, the 'c' is good enough crowd that I find in college, why strive when a 'c' will graduate.
FYI in 1969 Nixons first year the 'vietnamization' was put into place to end the war by 'Nixon' with little or no external pressures. He used the bombing offensives to keep the North Vietnamese at the table in Paris. The withdrawal and the end of the war was one of his campaign promises. Johnson turned the war into a quagmire to save 'face'. I remmember quite well the era, was actually waqding the rice paddies and humpin through the boonies in Vietnam, and the Stars and Stripes newspapers, as well as AFRN keep us up to date daily on the talks in Paris. The 2nd tour crowd was firmly in the blame Johnson for the mess we were in, Tricky Dick was gettin us out. I left in 71 just before the full scale turn over to the South Vietnamese. And our 'promise' to return if North Vietnam violated the peace was ignored as the 75 Offensive by North Vietnam finally rolled into Saigon. We basically left those who trusted us behind and go into any Vietnamese community here in the US and talk to the 'refugees' and thier plight after we abandoned them. Something we can learn from as we ponder the withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, history is important. "Those who refuse to learn from history are destined to repeat it". -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 7:30am
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What this thread tells me more than anything is many of our youth lack critical thinking skills. Reading comprehension is pathetic, and there is zero ability to rationally debate, which I completely blame on your education. For example. we see facepalm on this thread, so obviously there is something wrong that is easily explained...
and the ONLY example I can get out of you guys after the cries of "lying to the children" and "rewriting history", "partisan politics" is this...
Perfect example of missing the point...
Lets review, here is what the original article said, (after it told you this was purely partisan... glad to see you just repeat instead of actually questioning for yourselves... Which is what they teach you in school to just repeat what you are told... Don't actually think for yourself).
http://www.cynthiadunbar.com/ - Cynthia Dunbar , a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks (why is "thinks" put in here other than to bias the article... clearly it worked though) the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/thomas_jefferson/index.html?inline=nyt-per - Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”) “The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based,” Ms. Dunbar said. Is Jefferson eliminated from our history?. NO
Is Jefferson completely removed from the books?... NO
Is Jeffersons impact in our nations history removed?... NO.
His name is removed FROM A LIST of figures whose writing inspired revolution in the late 18-19 hundreds...
That is it.
I guess next your going to say you didn't know that the "seperation of church and state" is found in ZERO founding documents, but was used in a letter between Jefferson and someone else... Oh wait, they didn't teach you that...
But, now they will... That is "true" education, instead of indoctrination.
ps... I'm still waiting on that list of lies... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 12:38pm
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Thanks, tips. I assumed that anyone reading my comment would have read the article, and would have understood the context in which my statement was framed (i.e., the Jefferson reference). I didn't feel it would be necessary for me to restate the context. I should have known that had I not you would have twisted what I said, however. My mistake. It is still crystal clear to the rest of us that the decision to remove Jefferson from the list of individuals who influenced revolutionary movements is blatantly political, your objections notwithstanding. You've cherry-picked your points to reply to, of course, and then have tried to state that the Jefferson issue was the only point any of us have brought up. I brought up several, including the rejection of the proposal to include study of the free exercise and exclusion clauses of the first amendment. Note that I did not use the term 'separation of church and state', nor did the passage I cited. It accurately mentioned the nature and purpose of the first amendment. If you can explain to me why study of the constitution should NOT include looking at how the first amendment, and here again I quote, "protected religious freedom in America by barring the government from promoting or disfavoring any particular religion above all others", I'd be curious to hear your position. In either case, you are telling a rather transparent lie by claiming that the removal of Jefferson from the list of those influencing the various revolutions is the only point that was brought up. As usual, you pick a specific point you think you can hammer someone on and ignore all other points regardless of their veracity or merit. There are more examples of politically motivated decisions though, of course. There also the additional rejection of more study of Hispanic figures- this in a state that's fully one third Hispanic or Latino, and which was part of Mexico until 1845. There's also the effort to explicitly bring attention to Republican support for civil rights votes in congress. Why are party politics getting drawn into the curriculum? A majority of both parties supported the civil rights laws. The degree of the majority isn't particularly relevant to the educational discourse. There's no learning objective served in that except for some petty partisan points one side may wish to score on the other. You also ignored the critique of the lack of academic experts in the fields being revised among the panel working on the curriculum. If you can explain to me why a sociology curriculum should not be heavily informed by sociologists, or a economics curriculum by economists, or a history curriculum by historians, again I'd like to hear about it. Self professed expertise by a few members of the school board does not satisfy me on the requirement for the inclusion objective academic subject matter experts in deciding what kids will learn about. You go dismissively throwing partisan politics into quote marks when you list our more general objections,a s if somehow you can convey a sneer across the interwebs. Well guess what- yeah, "partisan politics" ARE the big issue at play here. Maybe YOU don't think that's an issue, but the rest of us do. Of course, the clincher is the leader of the Conservative faction of the school board explicitly stating that the curriculum is skewed 'too far to the left'. That's really doesn't even require any comment. Eville mentioned 'lies', I did not, so I don't frankly give a damn about your call for substantiation of a claim I didn't make. What is dishonest here is some of the spin and some of the omission. You accuse us of not thinking critically, but what you really mean is that you object when we are critical of something you are supportive of. Notice I'm not coming out against every single change. Some are good. I like the inclusion of personal responsibility in some of the social issues. I like the increased emphasis on academic capitalism. But what really gets me is this disgusting smug superiority you show when you dismiss every single one of us who would dare to disagree with you. Guess what- we are no less smart than you are, on average. Some are likely smarter. Many have specific knowledge on subjects greatly in excess of yours. So you can 'blame our educations' for whatever pathetic criticisms you have of our intellects or critical faculties this week, but damn it man, point a mirror at your self and try to look past your own ideological blinders. At least I friggin' accept that I might be wrong on any one particular thing. You're so wedded to your views that you're terrified the removal of any one card might collapse the whole house.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 2:11pm
Huh? Try 1845. ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 2:46pm
Wow. That was either a bloody weird typo or I had something else going through my head. Thank you for the correction. Fixed, with my apologies. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 3:08pm
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-march-17-2010/don-t-mess-with-textbooks - Daily Show talked about this last night
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 3:10pm
Don't let it happen again. 
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 3:54pm
Talk down much? The fact of the matter is half of the kids in school don't posess the intellect or the determination to get into nuclear physics, engineering, and all those high tech fields. It has nothing to do with the world I plan on living in. It has to do with the world most kids are going to end up living in. I am not saying do away with advanced math and sciences for kids who can handle it, but you are saying to completely do away with any study of culture. Yes, I am now in the C is good enough crowd. Mainly because I gave up on caring a long time ago.
Little to no external pressures? "May 1963, the first coordinated Vietnam War protests occur in London and Australia." "April 16, 1967: 400,000 people marched from Central Park to the UN building in New York City to protest the war" "August 1968: Gallup poll shows 53% said it was a mistake to send troops to Vietnam" I guess there were no protests for the 5 years leading up to his campaign, and giving him reason to want to end the war. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 7:47am
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Brihard, calm down... It's a message board. I typically don't talk to "specific" people, and just follow the thoughts of the thread. Your inability to see that I am talking thread, instead of you specifically is typical of your rants against me. I get it, you don't like me. Whatever... It's not like this topic even applies to you since you are in canada... eh?
I am sure this will solicit another long winded response where you try your best to demean me with your juvenile barbs and weak attempted sarcasm, while puffing yourself and "the entire board, except me" as being so much tmarter than me... and then ignoring the actual debate as usual. Still waiting on what was so horrific about the SPECIFIC changes to the education system by the board... naa, that would be on topic... Can't have that.
lol.
Here is a good place to post some Jefferson. Hopefully this stuff won't make it into any textbooks...
and bri... Life is short, don't take a message board so seriously...
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe . Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109181.html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109181.html > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff122881.html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff122881.html > It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world. Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136389.html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136389.html > I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136410..html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136410..html > My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson < http://www..brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff157220.html - http://www..brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff157220.html > No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff125076..html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff125076..html > The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff100991.html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff100991.html > The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html > To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson < http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff157246..html - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff157246..html > Thomas Jefferson said in 1802: 'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.' ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 10:17am
Wrong. I don't like some of your views. I do like others, as I have made clear on numerous occasions. I dislike in particular the smug derision you show whenever you throw out blanket attacks on the education or critical abilities of anyone who disagrees with you. I have no particular feelings on you as a person, because I've never met you. I addressed the 'lying' comment because you threw that out to every participant, and I wanted to make it clear I had no intent to address it, because I agree with you that it was silly.
My apologies; I didn't realize criticism was to be limited to a Twitter attention span. My responses, if 'long winded', are such because I have a lot to say. You've never shown reticence to post long replies if the post in question merited it, so I can't see any legitimacy to that particular criticism. Further, I said that 'the entire board, on average, is no less smart than you are'. I did not say we are all smarter, I merely dismissed your characterization of us as the victims of shoddy education or as somehow less enlightened than you are. And no, I won't go digging up specific quotes to substantiate that, because it comes across crystal clear in the tone of your posts. Nor have I ignored the actual debate, as I have provided by this time close to half a dozen examples of specific objections I have to changes in the curriculum listed in the original article referenced. You have not replied to any except for the Jefferson reference, so I'll turn your 'naa, that would be on topic' right back around at you. If you mistake me taking two minutes to fire up a reply as me 'taking it so seriously', well hell, again, right back at you. When someone characterizes me inclusively in a group described as poorly educated or incapable of thinking critically, what sort of response do you expect? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 1:49pm
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last word ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 1:53pm
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^^^Not.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 2:10pm
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juvenile action... (2 can play this game) ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 2:22pm
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Yes we can! If fe posts again, I'll let him win and acknowledge that he is less emotionally mature than me. Edited: For more humorously appropriate response. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 2:49pm
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Next one who posts on this thread has "teh ghey"...
(heh, heh) ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 3:26pm
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Funny thing is, this is still a step up from reporting people for hurting your feelings. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 3:44pm
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reported...
ps. my location.
edited cause I just loled at macks revised revision. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 3:54pm
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I'm winning!!!:D ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 March 2010 at 10:03pm
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qft ------------- They tremble at my name...
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