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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: Sooo...
Date Posted: 29 April 2010 at 3:57pm
| How about that oil spill in the gulf? Heading towards New Orleans huh? Neat. |
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 April 2010 at 4:38pm
| Yeah, I'm wondering where the outrage is of tax dollars being used to clean it up, not the company responsible. I don't have a source for this, just what I've heard, so I could be wrong. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 29 April 2010 at 4:50pm
Well, they could wait for the investigation on the cause of the incident to come to a conclusion to find out exactly who is responsible, then go through all the legal hoops, and then start cleaning it up with that money. OR they could clean it up now and try to limit the effects of this disaster and worry about fining the persons responsible afterward. ------------- 
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choopie911 wrote:Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 29 April 2010 at 4:52pm
| Well put Eville, good way of looking at it. |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 29 April 2010 at 4:53pm
Agreed. Why let it become uncontrollable then do something about it after finally finding blame. |
Posted By: nickman98
Date Posted: 29 April 2010 at 5:48pm
| quite intrested in the burn and scoop method they did with some of it. hope it works well that area dosnt need anything else happening to it. |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 29 April 2010 at 7:19pm
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read somewhere today that BP will be responsible for the cleanup costs
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Posted By: Mr.Sam98C
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 11:33am
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I'm ticked that they say it could take 90 days to stop that freakin leak!! If you can't efficiently fix, or clean up your problems, you shouldn't be there! ------------- In the broad spectrum of bad ideas I think this would have to rate somewhere between running with scissors and sticking your pecker in the toaster. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 11:35am
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Doesn't matter if they do charge the company responsible for the leak. If they do, they'll just do what the chemical companies do up and down the appalachian mountains. 1. Declare Bankruptcy 2. Government Cleans up the mess 3. Come back under different business name 4??? 5. Profit ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Mr.Sam98C
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 11:42am
you are absolutely right!! Maybe we should shoot em, and start over....  ------------- In the broad spectrum of bad ideas I think this would have to rate somewhere between running with scissors and sticking your pecker in the toaster. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 11:44am
So how much experience do you have in deep sea drilling and stopping leaks from such operations? ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 11:50am
Exactly. BP has contacted the DoD to see if the Navy can come up with something to get down to the leak and engage the valves which are intended to be activated in the event of a rig fire. The reality is that if these is a way to do this, it will not be anything like simple. Seems hypocritical to tell the oil companies that they can't operate because accidents happen, yet to use petroleum products to do, well, a whole lot. Not to mention the method simply wouldn't work. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 11:52am
Seems like a torch is simple enough...  |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 1:39pm
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The problem is that those valves are 5,000 feet down with nothing connecting them to the surface any more. I think a lot of the leaking fuel will be burned off, though. I guess it's better than letting it hit the shores down there. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 5:22pm
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I heard its the biggest Oil Spill since the cast of Jersey Shore went swimming. ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 30 April 2010 at 6:12pm
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/Colbert -------------
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Posted By: Mr.Sam98C
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 1:31pm
Linus, I'm just saying that if they're gonna be there, they should know how to better clean up an accident like that. Of course accidents happen, I don't fault them for that, but I feel they should have a better plan to stop the leak... ------------- In the broad spectrum of bad ideas I think this would have to rate somewhere between running with scissors and sticking your pecker in the toaster. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 1:38pm
Good point. Car companies should start planning better for freak accidents too. No one should be allowed to drive again until these accidents are stopped. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 1:39pm
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The main failsafe device... that NEVER fails... Failed. On top of all the other devices that were suppost to keep this from happening.
Conspiracy theories abound in my mind... ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 1:53pm
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You mean, someone made a really bad decision and broke stuff? Yeah, that happens. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 3:54pm
Seriously, stop listening to Rush. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 4:16pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 4:32pm
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I thought you meant the band for a second. They're goood. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 5:38pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: JohnnyHopper
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 9:47am
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I worked in an oil processing plant for two days. The safety orientation consisted of "If the fire alarm goes off, run away." Sounds like BP had a similar plan. ------------- My shoes of peace have steel toes. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 9:56am
I hope he doesn't agree to building more nuclear reactors. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 10:00am
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Get ready for $5. gas by summer! Yeah!
Double dip recession on its way.
I like how it took 8 days for Obama to start to look into the problem... But, then he said, "I've been focused on this since day one".
Even the AP couldn't help but point out that lie.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gLiUWM39KjSOCwqEl9nZDVncfSlgD9FFSJ8O0 - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gLiUWM39KjSOCwqEl9nZDVncfSlgD9FFSJ8O0 ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 12:52pm
Dear God I hope not. I pay through the nose for super as it is. ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 1:41pm
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAnd.
The reason they didn't burn the spill as promised, and required by law...
Well, because of radical environmentalists... Like Al Gore.
burning oil is baaaaad. It makes black smoke.
This is Obama's katrina, but watch how the media will cover it up for him...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703866704575224260060609090.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703866704575224260060609090.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 1:45pm
this was exactly my thoughts... Plus 3 of the trunk lines are leaking...
Not one,
not even two (each one has the failsafe on it btw)
But, 3 failed at the same time...
Never has even one failed before...
and now... rethink drilling... yeah, that won't make prices go up when we really don't need another cost increase in goods and services.
If you need tires, get them today, as many come across the gulf, along with coffee, and produce... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 1:52pm
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Err, you may want to check your facts on the burning. Last I heard, they didn't continue with the burning was because of high winds and choppy water making it too dangerous to control. I have not heard burning being out of the question, in fact, I thought I read where they were going to resume doing it.
There was a story also that a lot of companies already have contingency plans in place to bring goods through other ports. Katrina pretty much woke a lot of companies up to have one. I wouldn't go all chicken little yet chief. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 1:57pm
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The problem was, they should have started the burning on day 2, after they knew that there were no survivors. The conditions to burn it were perfect from day 2 until day 8...
They didn't burn it because the government fell down on the job. By law they were suppost to have 10 of those burning machines on the gulf at all times...
Guess how many they had.
zero.
That is why now that the sea's have picked up it is now too late to do an effective burn, and essentially the situation is now 1000% worse.
hence my statement about this being Obama's Katrina.
There is no way to spin this one, the government failed bigtime. Those fishermen are in a world of hurt. And the sea food establishments in the area will be the next casualty.
Even CBS gets it...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/30/national/main6446505.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/30/national/main6446505.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 4:41pm
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Yes, clearly, the spill is Obama's fault. Get these awful Democrats out of office! ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 5:56pm
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I keep forgetting that the government controls the oil companies and how they first respond to emergencies.
Also, what Pariells said. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:17pm
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I imagine that falls under the EPA's jurisdiction -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:28pm
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^You would sure think. I don't think Obama runs that, does he? ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:29pm
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He's the president, so yes, he does. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:31pm
So are you blaming the government or not? At least pick one side of it to bash, instead of just looking for ways to disagree with people. EDIT: Eville added in for context ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: SiG_551_
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:34pm
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i think we should just clean it up before i becomes more of a problem than it already has. i dont know enough about it but if we are paying to clean this up its crazy. the company should pay to fix it. its their fault, dont make hard working citizens pay for their mistakes. ------------- Who needs a Spyder when the real KING is TIPPMANN!!!!! |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:36pm
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See page 1. -------------
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Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:39pm
you cant exactly clean something up when there are 200000 gallons leaking per day now can you? -------------
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Posted By: SiG_551_
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:52pm
You can try can't you? And where are you getting your info from? its estimated at 42,000 gallons per day. i think you a LITTLE off.  ------------- Who needs a Spyder when the real KING is TIPPMANN!!!!! |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:53pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:57pm
no my friend, you are the one who is off http://www.wwaytv3.com/gulf_oil_problem_could_be_ours/05/2010 - http://www.wwaytv3.com/gulf_oil_problem_could_be_ours/05/2010 -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 7:04pm
The head of the EPA is appointed by the president, therefore the president is responsible for the agency. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 7:12pm
While I don't agree with the whole "this is obama's katrina" retoric. You can't blame George Bush for FEMA's failings if you're not going to blame Obama for the EPA's failings. FEMA's job isn't to stop natural disasters, it's to deal with the aftermath. The EPA had no control over this disaster, but it's still their job to assist in the recovery. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 8:06pm
I never blamed George Bush for Katrina  ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: SiG_551_
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 8:25pm
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My mistake. Checked a wrong website. It's now up to 210,000 gallons. Pretty crazy. ------------- Who needs a Spyder when the real KING is TIPPMANN!!!!! |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 8:38pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: slackerr26
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 8:45pm
win for me whoooo! -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 9:06pm
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I'm pretty sure conceding the point is a guestable offense, right?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 9:09pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: SiG_551_
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:03pm
Their is no point in butting heads when their is proof that I F#*£Ed up. I looked at an outdated news report. No biggie 
I have been following this on the news tho. What do you all think about the coast guard ships that are bringing a comb like thing across the water surface to gather oil. Pretty neat stuff. Besides the fact that they still need to plug up the hole. ------------- Who needs a Spyder when the real KING is TIPPMANN!!!!! |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:13pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: SiG_551_
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:28pm
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You want me to argue about something even when I can easy be proven wrong? Does not make since. I am new here anyway. What's the big deal? ------------- Who needs a Spyder when the real KING is TIPPMANN!!!!! |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:35pm
P.S. - Welcome to the forum.  ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:35pm
Come on now sneaky.... we don't want to scare away all of the newcomers. We haven't had fresh meat in a while... EDIT: damn, beat me to it. Welcome SiG. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:37pm
 I don't want to scare the kid away, It just feels like I stepped into bizarro world, you have to remember, the only debates I've had on here in months are with FE.------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: SiG_551_
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:44pm
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LOL thanks guys. I've been playing paintball for a while but new to this. If you want debates start a new topic. You won't scare me away easy anyway!!!! ------------- Who needs a Spyder when the real KING is TIPPMANN!!!!! |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:44pm
I feel you man. Carry on!  |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 7:29am
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Yeah, this is refreshing...
Welcome Sig!
(Hey, if I were ever wrong, I would fess up too... you guys should try it as I often prove you wrong...) heh, heh.
speaking of which...
I gotta say again, the level of thin skin that this white house has... it's pathetic. (Guess we all see who they get the real news from too, since CBS and MSNBC also covered this "story"...)
------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 9:57am
 ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 10:32am
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So, how long before this hits the fan on MSNBC?...
Oh, lookie, BP's rig got special "favors"... before it went boom.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html?hpid=topnews - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html?hpid=topnews
Why would they get favors?...
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=6584A5A0-18FE-70B2-A838E6437FBEC75D - http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=6584A5A0-18FE-70B2-A838E6437FBEC75D
If this were Bush, it would be the top story on every news cast...
and yet, I doubt our lamestream media will even pick up on this on the nightly news tonight... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 10:36am
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:25am
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What I find interesting is how easily Obama wants to penalize BP in an ex post facto fashion...
This guy tramples the rule of law daily...
By law they are capped at 75 million. This disaster will clearly cost way more than that, but their insurance policies are based on that 75 million figure. (cause BP wouldn't actually pay, the insurer would...) But, now Obama will change the law after the problem and throw the book at them...
It is sad that this is the way the Leader of our country feels about the rule of law...
But, who is surprised? This is the same administration that feels upholding the federal laws against illegals should be ignored... Because they are "mean spirited"... While Americans are killed by these criminals.
liberal logic at work.
better make some more changes to this page...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/ethics - http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/ethics
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:27am
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Why don't you just move to another country? all you do is moan and complain about obama and how he is killing merica ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:42am
Why?... My family is here, they have been in these parts for thousands of years. (American indians), and there is no where left to go that has our freedoms.
The people on the left have been the most vocal, hence they have gotten the most policy.
Well, the right has realized that this is a problem, and as the tea party shows, they are ready to push back. And come election time... It will start to change. My posts on here enlighten many of you to things that you wouldn't see if you only watched the media, or talked to your liberal friends/professors.
Hopefully we can fix a lot of this mess that extreme liberalism has gotten us. A mess that unless someone like me points out, you may not notice, until it is too late and our freedoms are gone.
Capitalism got us to the point where we were the largest super power in world history, in the shortest time period.
Liberalism is trying to destroy that progress, by using progressives to push government takeovers, and restrictions on freedom (national day of prayer... axed)
When government never works effectively.
want a recent example of governments 'effectiveness"... Look no further than the fact that the bomber got through security at the airport and onto the plane...
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100505/D9FGCQTG0.html - http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100505/D9FGCQTG0.html
"The reliance on airlines to check government lists has been a known problem for years. The government has long planned to take over the responsibility for matching passengers to watch lists, but the transition has taken longer than expected. The new program is still in the test phase for domestic airlines and is still months away from beginning with international carriers." ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:56am
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Enlighten us? Srsly? ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 12:52pm
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It amuses me that FE supports the US system so strongly, but is also a vocal member of the Tea party. Because, you know. Countries with a multitude of political parties have the right idea. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 3:51pm
Wait what? ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 4:03pm
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/29/illegal-immigrant-suspected-killing-arizona-rancher/ - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/29/illegal-immigrant-suspected-killing-arizona-rancher/
well, it is fox news... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 4:08pm
| lol, FE complains because a company responsible for a disaster is being treated accordingly |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 4:47pm
FAIL Ex post facto only applies to criminal law, and has only applied to criminal law since the supreme court ruling in Calder v. Bull in 1798. This is not a criminal case. Ignoring reality and substituting their own to reinforce their beliefs, tea party logic at work.  -------------
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 5:07pm
Do I even have to try to find a news article of a US citizen killing someone or should I just assume you're trolling? ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 1:02am
Also, the reason we became the "largest super power on earth" was because WWII destroyed the manufacturing segment of all industrialized nations in WWII. We had the benefit of two oceans protecting us that we were able to exploit.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 8:55am
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Well... let’s look at some facts about the oil spill. First, oil doesn't "mix" with water, it floats. The reefs will be fine, as will the fish population, except for those that eat things killed by the oil... Second, after So they could burn the oil off the top of the water. They don't even need "approval" as this is the law for the coast guard (aka the government) to burn it when something like this happens, without even getting approval. By day 2 they knew there were no survivors, at that point by law they should have started using fire booms to burn the oil slick, as the weather was perfect for this procedure from then until day 8… But, they waited until day 8 to start to burn… And only then with flares… Why? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_bi_ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion - The government didn’t follow the law, or their procedures, because as usual, they don’t follow their own rules, there were ZERO fire booms on the gulf… (I wonder if that was one of the things eliminated from the budget in that “line by line” cost saving maneuver. I doubt the press will even ask... Not to mention, environmentalists HATE burning oil, as it make black smoke… Which is clearly worse than oil on beaches… http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/fire_boom_oil_spill_raines.html - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36912754/ns/us_news-environment/ - Anyway, they ended up contacting the manufacturer in Il for a fire boom, who had ONE in stock, which was then sent to the gulf… And that is why it took 8 days before they could start burning the oil… This is a typical government failure, breaking their own laws and regulations. (I’m sure healthcare will be better?...) Third, on the 8th day, the weather conditions changed, the wind picked up and now they have oil slicks all over, and that is why they needed 10 fire booms… So they are trying to borrow from other countries currently. BP rents the oil platform, so they are not totally responsible for the failure. As the government who in this situation is charged with burning any oil spill, failed, miserably. BP has an insurance policy to protect them from this type of loss. It is capped at 75 million, because by law the damages are capped at 75 million… (a figure that was arrived at by the government studies of economic impact, based on the government doing its job and burning the oil as it spilled…) As a typical spill would have been burned days 2 - 8 and it wouldn’t have become this big deal if the government procedure had been followed. But, now Obama is pushing congress to ex post facto change the law, and charge BP more than the law allows… AFTER the fact… Is Obama our king able to change the law ex post facto whenever he sees fit? (ex post facto is exactly what Obama is trying to do here, and it doesn’t matter if it is criminal or not… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law - ) I agree that BP should pay, but this is clearly a company that got special “exceptions” from safety reviews at this specific platform and others, as they were supposed to have their rig reviewed by the government, but they kept getting waivers (why would they get favors?...). http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html?hpid=topnews - Why would they get special exemptions? Well, guess who they contributed the most money to in the last elections?... http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=6584A5A0-18FE-70B2-A838E6437FBEC75D - What is most interesting, is that the main failsafe, which has never failed before this failed… Along with all of the other fail safe devices… Which to me after Obama said he would allow drilling off the east coast… (and he has now changed his mind) comes way too close together to just be a coincidence. I still say get ready for $5.00 gas by summer. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 9:26am
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From my understanding the 75 mil figure you keep bandying around actually is referring only to expenses outside the actual cleanup. BP is responsible for all of those costs, but only liable for up to 75million in reimbursements to individuals or companies that have incurred damages as a result of the spill. I.e. restaurants, fisherman etc. For someone that is in such favor of small business getting a fair shake, you think you would be in favor of legislation helping these individuals out. Do you realize how many small businesses are going to be decimated by this?
And after a short search, I have yet to find this "law" that you say was in place since the Valdez oil spill that says 10 booms were to be in place at all times. Only thing I can find reference to is a 1994 Federal "plan" that says such booms should be used in a first response to control spills, but does not constitute a law requiring 10 booms to be on hand at all time. Please site a reference. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 9:36am
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Yeah, I read it that way too...
The 75 million is really low considering how bad business will be in the gulf for the summer... their peak earning season.
I would guess the number will be closer to $10-50 billion in losses... But, who knows for sure...
Lots of companies that are hurting will blame the losses from the current economy on this disaster to try and recoup some losses...
So it is a mess.
Then you have stuff like this coming out.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/while-oil-slick-spread-interior-department-chief-of-staff-rafted-with-wife-in-grand-canyon-.html - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/while-oil-slick-spread-interior-department-chief-of-staff-rafted-with-wife-in-grand-canyon-.html
And Obama is now trying to cover his backside... I do admire his willingness to put this out there, although I think there is spin involved.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/05/05/ongoing-administration-wide-response-deepwater-bp-oil-spill - http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/05/05/ongoing-administration-wide-response-deepwater-bp-oil-spill
Which I could be wrong, but, I clearly remember two days after the rig blew up (22nd) they said they were calling off the search for survivors... Yet on this documentation by the white house, they say they searched for survivors on the water until 5:00 pm on the 23rd...
Also, they said they gave permission to do a burn on the 28th... Which permission isn't needed and is based on conditions. These burns should have taken place as soon as they saw the leaks on the 24th. (and actually on the 23rd as there was a big patch of oil/gas on the water anyway from the explosion and sinking of the rig)...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 10:45am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_v._Bull#cite_note-MA-0 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_v._Bull#cite_note-MA-0 The holding in this case still remains good law: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto - provision of the Constitution applies solely to criminal cases, not civil cases If you want a non-wiki source that explains it in more detail, look http://books.google.com/books?id=vzHQUDvsPr4C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=therefore,+no+state+or+the+u.s.+congress+can+create+a+new+crime+in+November&source=bl&ots=OoYj_HDGhM&sig=D-KpuEqY5srUsdEW1yXkda1kmcQ&hl=en&ei=pNXiS8nmNYvY8QTI96SMAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=therefore%2C%20no%20state%20or%20the%20u.s.%20congress%20can%20create%20a%20new%20crime%20in%20November&f=false - here . It must be nice to live in your own little world. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 11:58am
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yeah, cause I clearly said he was breaking the constitution...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 1:11pm
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 1:28pm
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 1:35pm
Ex post facto comes from Article 1 sections 9 and 10 of the constitution, so yes, you clearly said that he was violating the constitution, both directly and indirectly by pushing congress.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 1:47pm
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Sorry, try again...
I wasn't quoting the constitution, the phrase comes from the latin, and has meaning... Meaning that I was referring to... You are assuming I meant that he was breaking the constitution. In this case I had no intention of making that claim, as I would have, if I felt that.
Here is the definition from dictionary.com.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ex+post+facto - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ex+post+facto
ex post facto
1.
from or by subsequent action; subsequently; retrospectively; retroactively.
2.
having retroactive force; made or done subsequently: an ex post facto law. http://ask.reference.com/web?q=Use+ex%20post%20facto+in+a+Sentence&qsrc=2892&o=101993 - Use ex post facto in a Sentence http://ask.reference.com/pictures?q=ex%20post%20facto&o=102285 - See images of ex post facto http://ask.reference.com/web?q=ex%20post%20facto&o=102284 - Search ex post facto on the Web Origin:
1625–35; < L: from a thing done afterward, from what is done afterward I think it is wrong to do this in a ethical sense of law abiding, and that is my gripe.
Much like NOT following the law concerning illegal aliens is wrong, and the reason that Arizona had to make their own law since the government wasn't following the law...
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 1:51pm
No, you were clearly talking about ex post facto in a legal sense. Nice attempt to BS your way out of it, but again, you failed hard. -------------
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 2:05pm
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 9:05pm
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Seems to me that all the Somali pirates should pilot their boats to the Gulf of Mexico and use a skimmer to collect all that oil. There has got to be a profitable amount of crude out there to make a nice profit.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 10:17pm
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Saw a link to a right-wing blog that claimed this could cost a trillion dollars to clean up. Now, just doing some math here, is it even possible that collecting oil can cost as much as 10,000 F-35s? It seems unlikely to me... ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 7:37am
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http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/7523004/ - http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/7523004/ ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 7:39am
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 10:17am
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http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm - http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm guess what? I love a good conspiracy theory. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 8:25am
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Oh the ignorance... (member my $5 gas by summer statement?...)
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9FTDV7O1&show_article=1 - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9FTDV7O1&show_article=1
Looks like the brain trust is on the case... Gotta get that oil price up... But, don't worry.
" http://topics.breitbart.com/WASHINGTON/ - WASHINGTON (AP) - Responding to the massive http://topics.breitbart.com/BP/ - BP oil spill, http://topics.breitbart.com/Congress/ - Congress is getting ready to quadruple—to 32 cents a barrel—a tax on oil used to help finance cleanups."
"Taxpayers will not pick up the tab," Senate Majority Leader http://topics.breitbart.com/Harry+Reid/ - Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Monday.
hahahahhahhahahhahahahhahahaha
Yeah, Reid. The added cost per barrel because of the new tax will only soak the rich evil greedy oil companies...
NO WAY would those oil producers increase the cost of oil/gas to consumers to pay for it...
Never happen.
oh wait.
Well, at least the media is finally catching up to where the blame should be laid for this "cleanup" (anti)progress.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/24/abcs_world_news_reports_on_oil_spill_anger_is_reserved_for_washington.html - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/24/abcs_world_news_reports_on_oil_spill_anger_is_reserved_for_washington.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/24/cbs_evening_news_spends_nearly_half_show_on_spill_focuses_on_impatience.html - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/24/cbs_evening_news_spends_nearly_half_show_on_spill_focuses_on_impatience.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/24/nbc_nightly_news_on_oil_spill_no_end_in_sight.html - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/24/nbc_nightly_news_on_oil_spill_no_end_in_sight.html
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 8:39am
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Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 10:05am
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 1:20pm
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Funny, my gas was at $2.77 the other day, I have a feeling $5 is still well outta reach.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 1:39pm
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Ahem:
http://www.newuniversity.org/2010/05/news/gas-prices-are-finally-down-just-in-time-for-summertime/ - http://www.newuniversity.org/2010/05/news/gas-prices-are-finally-down-just-in-time-for-summertime/
I know they don't have your vast expertise in world economics and all, but I think I'll take their word for it over yours.
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