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Topic: Marines
Posted By: Kopkins
Subject: Marines
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 8:14am
| Considering joining the Marines. Talk me into/out of it. |
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 9:44am
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That's the recruiters job. How old are you? What are you interested in doing in the Marines? Do you have a steady job? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:25am
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This is one of those things where only you can decide if you want to sign on the line or not. It's an 8 year contract, so think about it. ------------- 
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:48am
| Are things not going your way in life? |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:55am
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is it really 8 now?
everyone should do at leaste 4 for their country/community. buck up and do it ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:57am
Any combination to 8. Be it 4 active, 4 reserve, or 6 active, 2 reserve, etc etc. -------------
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merc wrote:Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:03am
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I'm young. Almost 18. Could be a way to help pay for college eventually, or try to make it a career. Also want to do something great with my life. I make $10.60/hour. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:09am
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I was a Marine for 5 years, some of the best and worst times of my life.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:12am
You'll be making less than $3/hr at boot camp. Again, make sure it's something you truly want to do and not just what you view as an 'easy' way of getting things. I saw far too many recruits try / act at committing suicide while in boot. There are other ways of getting money for college if that's your primary incentive. The number one piece of advice I give to my friends when they say they want to join is get your college degree any way you have to, than go to OCS and be an officer. -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:14am
| thats at boot camp. once your at your duty station you'll make a lot more and you can get some rediculously awesome benefits. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:16am
I know, I was just being facetious. 
Honestly, it would behoove ANYONE to work for the Fed in some fashion, as they have some of the best pay and benefits when compared to many private industries... and you're less likely to be laid off. -------------
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Posted By: Bounty
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:21am
| I love the military life but it all depends on what MOS you choose, I have buddys from basic that regret going cook or fuel supply specialist. If your joining up make sure your doing something you'll like. |
Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:23am
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By no means do I think it would be easy. I'm sure it would be the hardest thing I've ever done. And I think that's one of the reasons I would want to do it. No one in my family has ever done anything that really stood out (aside from one of my grandmothers' involvement in something on the opposite end of the spectrum.) I want to do something really great with my life. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:54am
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That's why I put 'easy' in quotation marks :) Many people DO think it's the easiest way to get money for college.
As Bounty said, choose an MOS you want to do. But also keep in mind you are NOT guaranteed that MOS, and if the Corps wants you to be a cook when you signed up for Infantry, you will be a cook. (Granted, "Every Marine a rifleman") Get everything your recruiter says in writing, especially anything that has to do with bonuses, if you're lucky enough. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 12:27pm
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Yep, choosing an MOS you want is pretty key. If they can't give it to you, it probably isn't worth it. As Linus said, "needs of the Marine Corps". Can't make a better choice than the Marines. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 1:47pm
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Marines FTW.
Made my best attempts to join, but was chicken blocked by my asthma. You won't find a branch that will look better on a resume. It seems from your posts that you're fairly level headed about the situation, so if you've thought it through, go for it. Just understand the sobriety of your decision. You'll join an organization that prides itself in stepping three inches from death at all times (I'm stretching it a bit, but you get me...), and you need to understand there's a good chance you won't come back the same person you left, if at all. And the Marines won't make you a beer drankin', womanizin' hard ass, it's a profession with pros and cons like anything else. Look at the military with the same mindset as if you were choosing your professional path in college. Too many people join out of a sense of obligation, or they feel cornered in life, or worse yet they think it'll elevate them to Steven Seagal status. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 2:00pm
that can be debated, pending on what your MOS is and what additional training you have. straight out of boot though i would say that no branch has any advantage since basic just proves you can be broken down and built up again. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 2:50pm
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The Marines are a good option, but understand what you are getting into. First issue should be career potential. The promotion pyrimid gets pretty narrow at E-4 and harder to make E-5 (Sergeant) and higher due to smaller service less command slots available. MOS selection, rank will come faster with combat arms MOS's (Infantry, Armor, Artillery) service and support MOS's not so fast. Joining the Marines is a guarenteed trip to the sand pile based again on smaller service.
Plus points. Will look good on job resume, NCO is a leadership plus on resume, and believe it or not employers are more inclined to look at servicemen for attention to detail, leadership, and dedication more than the college 'party' crowd. I got jobs after my retiremnt (E-8 Army) over college people younger than me, based on my leadership and attention to detail skills alone. Hit and miss college, but no degree. No matter what you do, if you join the Marines, there will always be a brotherhood and a sense of accomplishment many who never consider the military ever get to expieriance. And it is true 'Once a Marine, always a Marine' and the 'ring knocking' in post service job search will be a lot easier when another Marine is the HR interviewer. BTW it is not the Branch that looks good on the resume, it is the Leadership that employers are looking for. A E-7 Air Force aircraft crew chief, and a E-7 Marine Platoon Sergeant have the same effect on a never been military HR type doing the hiring. The resume is secondary reinforcement, it is the military learned bearing and command presense you exibit at the interview, and that in itself puts you ahead of the 'college' crowd. Good Luck, but my advise is to go Infantry 1st enlistment, make rank fast then if you are going to re-enlist go for a job skill MOS, you will have rank at the job, and 3 plus years of speciality expieriance to sell to future civilian employers. ------------- 
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Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 5:54pm
That's not entirely true. My first few years in the Corps I was MOS 6337, and the closest I got to the action, while still getting my combat pay because the Enterprise was directly supporting the combat actions, was the Mediterranean. I'm talking nice ports of call like the UAE, and France, while we were sending aircraft into the hot-zones. Granted, after my Avionics job, I wanted closer to the action, 0311 for a bit, then qualified to go 0317, so I can't say you won't see action in a support role, because my entire enlistment wasn't in one, but if you're smart enough, and stationed in the right places, your likelihood does drop quite a bit. ------------- Skillet: I've never been terribly fond of the look of a vagina |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 6:02pm
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I gave some serious thought into joining the Army about a year ago (even posted here about it) but ultimately decided against it. I wanted to join since I was a freshman in high school but decided to just go to college instead. Then the idea of joining started looking real good again when I looked into the benefits (college loan reimbursement, paid tuition, medical/travel benefits, etc.) and I still did want to serve my country as I feel everybody should. However, I spent a lot of time thinking about it and talking to those who have been through it and decided not to. The primary reason for my decision is the lack of control over your life. Once you sign that contract, they own you for 8 years. They make it sound like you can do whatever you want and just show up every now and then but, especially now, you'll most likely get sent out for 18+ months at a time to serve in Afghanistan or Iraq as soon as you're trained and on top of that, you aren't guaranteed to get the MOS you want. If I didn't have a girlfriend or anything else I didn't want to leave behind for extended periods of time and I could definitely get a MOS I would enjoy then this wouldn't bother me. However, I do have a lot of things I wouldn't want to leave behind so that would have been hard for me to deal with. I wanted to join and do something IT/computer related and had a few other areas I would have settled for but I felt like they'd give me the shaft and just assign me to infantry. Since I'm capable of more than just firing a gun, I felt that would be a huge waste of my skills and I wouldn't be happy doing it as a result. The worst part would be that I would have signed a contract forcing me to suck it up and deal with it for 8 years. This is the kind of stuff you should think about before signing. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 6:13pm
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Don't have much to add, other than NOT serving is one of the hugest regrets of my life. If you're giving it any thought, do it. This way, you never wonder what 'could have been.'
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 6:31pm
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The military - in any way, shape, or form - will give you the best and worst times of your life. The world we live in now, if you join up you WILL deploy. You may see combat. You'll almost certainly have friends die; you might be there when it happens. You may experience things you aren't able to deal with particularly well for some time. You may have to do things that you aren't particularly comfortable with. You'll drift apart from many of your current friends, but you'll make new friendships against which your current ones will probably pale. You'll gain an unparalleled measure of yourself. You will judge any future trial or tribulation against what you go through in the military, and seldom will anything subsequently really stack up with the worst of what you'll go through in military service Don't do it for the money. It's not that great, and not nearly worth what it is that you do to earn it. You simply cannot place value on the risks you will take and on what may happen to you. If you're going to serve, you need better reasons for that. Don't do it for college, because you may not ever go. You'll be a better person for it, but whether it's ultimately worth the cost is something only you will ever be able to judge. FYI, just to place my words in context, I've got close to six and a half years in the Canadian forces as an infantry reservist, including a six month deployment to Afghanistan. So balance my views against everyone else here, because a lot of folks have some very different experiences and opinions. There's no right or wrong answer on this. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 6:45pm
| What did you do it for bri? |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 6:48pm
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I tried to join the marines as an OCS candidate after graduating. I talked to a recruiter once and was far to honest and was told I wouldn't get in due to medical reasons. Previously ruptured spleen and seeking treatment for insomnia where I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety.
Now I have issues with my back so that's another strike. I probably should have done it right out of high school. ------------- 
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Posted By: good ol bland
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 8:41pm
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You'd better pick a decent MOS that actually gives you a chance when you come back to civvy life
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 8:53pm
I'd argue that most people always wonder what could have been. He could join and then find himself wondering how things could have been if he didn't. I guess it's just a matter of which choice might be more regrettable if it doesn't work out the way you hoped. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 9:23pm
<shrug> It's what I do. I'm a soldier (even as a reservist), and I want to be a cop. I don't know if I can really explain why without sounding dramatic or cliché. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 9:23pm
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I thought about it coming out of highschool, but never took it seriously enough to talk to a recruiter about it. I figure if i still want to do it, it will be another of many options for me after I get my BS.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 9:39pm
So you believe in ammunition? ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:00pm
So that's what with the current exchange rate...the equivalent of going through boot camp in the US Navy? :P
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:24pm
True, but the other question is "Could I have even done it?" and that would be answered. I still ask myself that one. ------------- ? |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:37pm
| Unless you're dead-set on it and/or in great shape, I'd suggest doing at least a semester in college first. Even a community college. Sure, it will cost a few bucks, but boot itself will pay that off. It gives you more than ample opportunity to find something else you like or change your mind, and/or get in better shape (you can't be in too good of shape for boot, when you get sick, you'll need all the muscle mass you can, since that place will have you pushed to the limit as a healthy person. I'm a training day 45-50? washout myself, don't be stupid as I was. If there is any reason you cannot medically go there, don't let a recruiter talk you into it, you want to be able to go to medical for something serious (like coughing up blood for a few weeks) without fear or being dropped for an undisclosed medical condition (mono in my case, that effs you up in a normal setting) and/ or the possibility of death(like someone w/ undisclosed asthma) . If you do some college first, you can graduate as a contract PFC, which means more $$$ for training pay. While my experience is limited, a lot of it, especially 1st phase will suck ass, but you will know yourself better than most of your civilian friends, and will experience some great things. For one stage of fire, I out-shot two platoons(200 yard rapid fire, I was the only possible with a group that only took two overlapping pasties to cover) and knocked out some fool who went off his rocker and tried to strangle our scribe. All boot camps are tough, but USMC puts a lot of responsibility into the hands of recruits, which even if you do legal admin or something safe will look good on a resume. If you do it and your family is not on board, I'd suggest not opening your mail(especially if you have a GF) and focusing on your training and your platoon, and if/when bad crap happens, like getting dropped back in training, stay positive and adapt as best you can to your new platoon as fast as possible. Boot is a headgame, and from what i've heard it's become less physical and more mental (I was beaten with a bag containing a bible,wallet, watch etc for twitching, but i'd still rather get punched in the face than cause the platoon to go to the pit until someone is hospitalized) so keep that in mind. At the end, you're still a Marine. Just don't short-change yourself before you go in. Make sure it's the right call, and you're in great shape. Your living conditions and pay will be worse than any other branch. I highly suggest doing some college first to see if that's what you want to do, it will also get you a bit more money and a head-start in rank if you join anyways. It's a win-win method, providing your physical fitness doesn't decline, unless you absolutely need to get to the sandbox ASAP do a semester or two. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:43pm
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I don't second guess 'what could have been'. I have regrets like anyone, but view it as a purpose more than anything else... God created or not.
I joined back in 06 when I was 18. I'm turning 22 this year and had I not been injured, I'd be getting discharged in December. Had I not joined the Corps, I would not have been injured by my DI. Had I not been injured and discharged, I never would have become a Paramedic. Had I not become a Paramedic, I would not have been in the right spot to save a womans life like I was back in February. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:01pm
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Being in the same boat as Linus, and having had several friends not cope well with being dropped from boot(not to mention several who are either jumping for joy at getting out in the next few month and those who have died) just know that whatever the outcome, you will have a different outlook on life and an increased drive in doing anything you want to do. If you end up working 2nd and 3rd shift for half the week and need to sleep in your car before class and then do it again, it won't seem like a big deal. Provided you don't die/go crazy/ commit a criminal offense, USMC is going to be the best thing you've ever done. As someone who got dropped from boot and is finishing college, I can honestly say that considering my family background, there is no way in hell I'd be where I am today (finishing my BA, already have an associate's, making me more educated than either of my parents and my sister)if I hadn't at least tried. I won't talk you out of it, but know the potential consequences. Any random thing you can think of will happen just in boot, well before combat, by nature of probability. Odds are you will see an attempted murder/suicide, severe injuries(I almost lost my scrote-skin due to infection before the pneumonia thing, I'm hoping my boys can swim), and accidents, just by nature of the volume of recruits going through there. If your goal is college, try to do it the cheap way first, if you still have the drive, enlist or go to OCS. Whatever you do, don't do it for the wrong reasons, and that you are even considering this option and the obligation puts you morally well above the rest of your cohorts in my book. Good luck in any and all of your futre endevors, |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:13pm
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Agreed on all accounts with rednekk. Even if you get dropped you still pick stuff up from boot that you woulnd't have as a civilian, and have experiences that 99% of Americans will never have because they never decide to serve. You WILL stand straighter, you WILL have a different outlook and attitude, you WILL be more confident.
I can honestly say because of boot, even 4 years ago, I can go on no sleep for 24 hours and still operate with a clear mind in a high stress situation. Also with what he said, if you have a medical ailment don't let your recruiter pressure you, do it the right way. I had an injured knee from highschool, and my recruiter said "Unless it bothers you, don't mention it to the docs"... just so happened that the knee that a DI busted up in bootcamp was the same knee already injured. I also offer this bit of advice: All branches of the armed forces have the same exact pay and benefits... just some are much easier than others, be it in bootcamp or deployed life. Don't get tied to one branch because it looks cool. You need to be 100% committed, not in just signing the paper, but going through with it too. -------------
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:35pm
I have respect for people that do join the forces. I personally cannot see myself doing it. I'd want to join the airforce if anything, but I wanted to be a pilot and I don't have perfect vision. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 11:37pm
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Not everyone in the Army will deploy, especially in many of the support roles.
However, in the Marine Corps, a very small branch, and one where everyone is expected to know how to fight, you are almost guaranteed to get deployed atleast once during your enlistment. -------------
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 2:57am
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0311 or nothing. ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 8:18am
Yeah, Linus is at least right about the Corps. I don't know how the army works. The only people who don't deploy in the Corps are JAGs. What's your brother's MOS, RoboCop? ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 10:20am
Fixed. Especially in the Corps. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 2:00pm
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Man this forum has been actin' a fool on me! I swear I posted here but it didn't go through! Anyways, I loved my time in the Corps. Granted I had a pretty sweet job that I wanted (0321/Recon) and it worked well for me. Don't join a branch because you think the uniforms are cool and it's all guts and glory. What you'll end up doing is sorely disappointing yourself. Now, after having left the Marines and gone to college, I'm back in the service but this time in the Air Force. Again I'm in a special forces job but I love every minute of it and I'm a bit of an adrenaline junkie. The quality of life/benefits from the Air Force are much better than the Marines IMO. Don't be fooled in to thinking the AF doesn't have combat arms jobs (I'm an example of one) if that's what you are looking to do. However only pick CA jobs if you intend to use the training for police work after you get out or work in some line of government defense after your stint in the military. This is assuming you don't plan to make a career out of it. If you want training and skills for a job in the real world not related to shooting bad guys, explore things in the army/navy/air force. Tons of corporate-like jobs with the feeling of having served your country being accomplished.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 2:11pm
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Snipa makes a good point about quality of life. I know a number of Marine officers who would simply not have gone in if they weren't going to fly, because they aren't interested in being in the dust and sand all day carrying a pack. Granted, at the same time I've met Marine aviators who have done tours as FACs and loved every minute of it, so it goes both ways. But the reality is that as a Marine, you're going to the sandbox, it's gonna be dusty and dirty, and you're probably gonna have someone at least taking potshots at you occasionally. If you're in an other branch (certainly Air Force or Navy) it's not hard to find a job where deployments are to more enjoyable places, or at least people aren't shooting at you. That said, a good friend of mine was a supply officer on Diego Garcia, and even he saw a lot of bloody helicopters and bodies, so don't think it'll all be a cake walk just because you're a REMF. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 2:59pm
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Be warned, if your on the edge of joining and you talk to a recruiter, it's over, haha. They're good at what they do. Know that. Second, whoever said that marines look better on a resume' isn't always true. Unless your working for a prior marine, I'm fairly certain an E-4 or E-5 in the Army/AF/Navy looks better than a E-3 Marine. Employers want to see progression, and frankly put, it's much easier to do it in other branches.
I was on the edge of joining the marines, but decided Army last minute. I've been in right at 3 and 1/2 years now. That's not alot, but enough to see how things work. Marines are a much smaller community, which isn't always a bad thing. It is much more strict than other branches though. Although, a seaman would say the same thing about me being in the Army. After seeing the way lower enlisted marines are treated, I haven't regretted my decision one bit. I was fearful I would, always wondering that I wasn't the best. After having many friends who are marines (hawaii is a small island with all branches present), I don't at all. They get treated far worse, lower living conditions, stupid details, longer days, etc... If all that makes you feel more confident, or proud, then go for it. It's just not for me.
With that being said, do what makes you happy. But talk to other recruiters or colleges too. Most marines are marines because that's all they wanted to be. If you have to think about it, you might wanna look elsewhere. Boot camp isn't the place to second guess your motives... All I can say is everyone wants to say how great the marines were. If it was as amazing as everyone said, they'd still be there and not out after a 4 year run. ------------- |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 3:08pm
| heres to you- you still with the 25th ID out in hawaii? |
Posted By: ThatGuitarGuy
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 3:20pm
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Heres, no offense, but I completely quit reading your post after I saw you didn't capitalize "Marine".
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 3:25pm
That is retarded. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 4:15pm
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Myas get touchy about that. Especially as he capitalized Army.
Honestly though "previous medical histories" are the bane of my existance. After being in the SA Airforce for 6 months going through basics, while they screwed me out a place in the US Navy's foreign student program I tried out for the SANDF. When I was a kid I had "flat feet", or fallen arches. Most kids do. Mine developed at a slightly slower rate, so they aren't the same as other people's arches. Doc picks up on this and washes me medically. This is after I've done basic for the AF and while I didn't kick butt, I had no trouble keeping up. But personally? I'd say go for it. But then I like having the chance to blow some stuff up. KBK |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 4:29pm
that's why he joined the mARINES  |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 5:27pm
This is so true. There's a reason Marines starts with a capital letter (well, grammatically speaking it's because it's a proper noun).
I think being flat footed no longer disqualifies you from service in the US military. Could be wrong, it's just a vague memory hanging around the back of my head. But your story is a good lesson to future recruits: the military is a large, impersonal organization, which will screw you over. If you're ready for it, it's not a big deal. If you're not, it can be dream shattering. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 5:56pm
I swear to God, 90% of the times you post, I know its you before I ever see your name. ------------- ? |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 6:18pm
Well that's retarded ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 7:00pm
Lol  ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 9:23pm
True. But then, I get why "the Marines" should be capitalized, but why should "a marine" be capitalized. Note the last time I studdied English sentance structure and grammar was back in school. In the Dark Ages. You don't say, he is a Teacher. Or she is a Lumberjack (and she's ok). Are you still using it as a proper noun when describing someone? Wouldn't they turn it into an adjective? Whatever. |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 9:33pm
| No offense but after he didn't capitalize Seamen, or at the very least make a joke about it, I stopped reading. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 9:59pm
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No insult intended over the Marine, I honestly didn't think about it.
GI - Yeah, I'm still with the 25th, but I've been in Iraq the last 9 months.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 10:08pm
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The marine corps. (That's right. I copied HTY. I made my post more blatantly offensive, though.) -------------
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 10:13pm
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Just remember that Marine's guard those pearly gates....see if we let you in now! ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 10:38pm
I think grammatically you're correct, it doesn't make any sense. Just another one of those special "Marine" things. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 11:10pm
Yeah... Damn proper English! -------------
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 12:30am
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YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL! YOU NEED ME ON THAT WALL! ------------- 
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 12:36am
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Marine is a title, that is why it starts with a capital letter. or that is what my Senior D.I. was telling us as he dug us in the sand pit beach party as he called it, for 2 hours. But back to the thread about joining. My Father, who was a Marine and my uncle, yep, another Marine, encouraged me NOT to join. They both knew, Marines often find themselves in really bad places in really bad situations and that is all part of the life..or death if you are unlucky. I joined anyway thinking I knew what I was getting into, I had know idea how ugly it is. I found myself in third world crap holes with "yankee go home" sprayed painted every where and sometimes used as target practice for the locals. On the plus side, I visited nearly 30 countries, got to see some truly beautiful sights and places. I say a combat MOS because you will get deployed, do what you trained for and make your time in go by faster. You may like it and decide to make a career of it. I almost did. Don't be a pogue, that is a REMF in the Army. Pogues have jobs on base as clerks, supply depots (paper goods, computer parts, etc) or Base facilities(Life guards in swimming pools, handing out sports equipment...I never got use or even see some of those things). They don't get dirty and have a 9-5 job and don't get deployed too often. Pogues look down on Fleet Marines because we can't pass inspection.. too bad pogues don't pass combat. Now, does the Corps still sound like something you want to join? It will always, always be part of you and you will part of that brotherhood. Ask around and talk with different recruiters from the other branches, see what is available to you. If you still want to be a Marine, remember this, U Signed the Mother ******* Contract and every Marine is a rifleman. Good Luck with that and Semper Fidelis. oh, apologies for bad grammar, sentence structure, spelling and 5 years of wonderments and atrocities reduced to a rant. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 1:27pm
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Janitor is a title too, doesn't mean it's supposed to be capitilized. (not calling a Marine a janitor, just an analogy).
And if someone wants to be pogue or fobbit, that's their perogative. Not every wants to work out in the sun or ruck around all day. Lets see how your or my pay goes if S1 or finance altogether decide to quit. It's mentalities like that that bring down teamwork. Everyone has a place, and I'd rather see a happy mail clerk than a depressed grunt anyday. With that being said, I agree with you for the most part. Personally, I couldn't imagine sitting behind a desk all day, and never getting deployed. Although I wouldn't mind a 9-5 once in a while, haha.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 3:04pm
I am sure the proper english is why he made the statement... ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 5:20pm
Navy SEAL hopeful, brah. I'll just infiltrate heaven from an unguarded water access point. -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 8:40am
Stress on the "hopeful" part. If you complete BUDS.------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 10:36am
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Meh. I am going to stand alone and say don't join the army. If you want to do something great with your life then become a doctor, or join organizations that actually help the world. Most people who want to "change the world" and join the army, are just lazy, because if you join the army is a guaranteed thing that after your time served people will be proud of you. If you try to do something else for the world theres a chance people will have no idea what you did, and you might not get recognition. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 11:09am
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Nothing ever changes, the same issues that I saw in 1969 are the same issues being thrown around here. Be it the Marines or Army, Air Force, Navy or Coast Guard, each service has it's own identity and traditions. The 'horror' stories of DI 'abuse' is not abuse it is a form of artificial stress in order to sort out the mob that gets off the busses every night. Today's basic or boot is no where near what generations prior faced, and they survived and prospered for the most part.
One of my tricks of the trade to survive training as well as combat was to say to myself, "In ten years this will be nothing more than a bad dream or memory, drive on." Join the Marines with a short term as well as long term goals, where do you want to be tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, 5 years from now, etc. Makes the mind games seem minimal at times, and the internal 'daydreaming' will add to your coping mechanisums. 40 years later I look back at "The best of times, yet the worst of times." and would never trade a minute of it, and would do it all again. 'AIRBORNE all the way' -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 12:05pm
Does it matter? -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 12:21pm
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"DI abuse" isn't what I would call it. A DI's job is to weed out those who should not be in the military by making it as hard and as stressful as possible because war will be worse. I was hit a few times by my DI and to be honest, I deserved it and I believe it made me a better Marine. Nothing like you see in Full Metal Jacket, a quick slap up the side of the head. FMJ's boot camp scene was the only real part of the movie. The Gunny (That's R. Lee to the rest of you) admitted to doing that in a TV interview about 3-4 years ago. He had to turn civilians into Marines in 8 weeks and then send them to Viet Nam. Boot camp is generally 13 weeks but do to war demands, the Corps reduced it to 8. But that was the 60's like OS pointed out. If you still want to join the Corps, than have at it. Oh and OS... YAT-YAS!!!!!!!!!!!! You ain't Tracks, You ain't ****! To show allegiance to my Army bro's, I wore an 82nd Airborne sweat shirt to the E club whenever possible. My best friend was a Paratrooper in the 82nd and he would wear a Marines sweat shirt in his E club, why? Because we are Bro's and we enjoyed pissing people off. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 12:46pm
Meh. Anyone can be a doctor. You don't change the world charging by the 15 minutes and making people sit in a disease filled waiting room readin 10 year old magazines. Maybe if oyu were a doctor for Doctors Without Borders or something, but most doctors? They aren't worth spit to the population at large. Infact all doctors do is make people live longer lives in a planet that's already heavily over populated. If your calling is "helping people" instead of "blowing stuff up", maybe an EMS or firefighter is the better way to go. KBK |
Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 1:53pm
If that's your idea of what a doctor is, you have a very narrow view of the medical field. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 1:57pm
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Moving 'foxholes' attract attention. Light Infantry....Too Light to Fight, to Heavy to run. -------------
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Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 2:08pm
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I've thought about firefighter in the past and seem to have somehow forgotten about it. Is anyone a firefighter here? I know there are a few EMT's here. EMT is definitely not my calling though.
Also, what about ROTC programs?
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Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 2:10pm
| Also, I agree with hairball. And I am not smart enough to become a doctor. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 2:17pm
got another year left, can't wait for this crap to end...although i'm afraid it gets worse than doing OCS, i'm one of them ROTC kids...i know how much the active army loves us. i have to go to Ft. Lewis this summer for a month of training, and then straight to Ft. Bliss for 3 weeks to shadow a LT and see what he does. Around October i find out what my branch is and all that, and a year from now i get commissioned. and that year cannot go any slower apparently. OS- indeed, airborne ALL the way kopkins- if you want to do rotc, you better have a whole buttload of patience and then some. i got another year left in Army ROTC and it's slowly killing me...i was about to quit and enlist but then they said i made the list for air assault and airborne school so i stayed in, figured it'd get me through this year and next. it's not helping...mainly because i can't jump regularly in rotc. |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 2:24pm
Not to mention as a Recon Marine, I'm already dive certified and will stop you dead in your tracks! wait...you'd have to be dead for this situation to even come about... ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 2:34pm
You don't need to be smart to be a doctor. 50% of all doctors were at the bottom half of their class. -------------
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Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 3:05pm
School is expensive. Also, don't want to be a doctor. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 3:37pm
Look at all the over populated regions of the world, they were like that long before modern medicine, doctors are not causeing or helping the world to be over populated. Not only do they increase life time for people they also increase quality of life for children with diseases and disabled people. They also do research that help our every day life. Even doctors that make you sit in a waiting room and diagnose people with the flu, still put there time in at the hospital saving lives and helping people. (not sure about that in the states)
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 3:38pm
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 4:01pm
Thats how I feel. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 4:34pm
Amtracks are large slow moving beer cans with bull's eye paint on them and every Marine gets to enjoy the ride! Well, Kopkins, have you made your decision? ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 4:43pm
What Reg did you get? -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 4:45pm
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GI, do you and Eville get to pick what your MOS is?
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 4:55pm
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We go by branch rather than MOS so infantry,MP, engineer, MI, AG, medical services, FA, etc. We get to pick our top choices and then based on our ranking on the Order of Merit List, we might get our first or second, or if we do really poorly, whatever is open. The OML is based on our GPA, PT, performance at LDAC(Ft. Lewis), and other stuff like that. So we get to request a branch, but it isn't guaranteed. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 4:55pm
If you're looking at professional firefighting at all, you're probably going to have to have EMT training as well. Having no interest in the medical field myself is what is keeping me out of career firefighting. I've done volunteer for almost 6 years now. Most full time organizations require EMT training because department shifts are often dispatched to cover EMS calls while the medics are off on another run somewhere else. I'll wager the training is a hell of a lot easier than a Paris Island education would be, but I'll go out on a limb and say that the work is just as dangerous if you're doing it full time. (gonna catch hell for that one, I know it...I'm prepared.) Plus, while the idea of being a firefighter is always a good one- I recommend volunteering first before you even consider going into it as a profession. Get your interior certification, and see if you can actually ignore that piece of your brain that's fighting your body as you take your first steps into a building that's doing its best to burn down. I've seen no less than three people lock up at the door or wash out of the training because of claustrophobia or the logical part of their brain has too firm a grasp on them. Lastly, its one of the most competitive fields to get into. Professional departments get hundreds of not thousands of applications from people every time they go through a hiring cycle. If you don't have any volunteer experience and/or a college degree before you even consider the profession, more than likely your application will be tossed away. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage you from it, I just wanted to make sure you know that the professional fire service is not a walk in the park to get into. ------------- ? |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:05pm
| eville- 2nd reg, doing ctlt with a QM unit thats attached to a light infantry unit at bliss from 12 july to 3 august. i'm putting in ADSO for engineering, what about you? |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:19pm
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I got 1st and doing my CTLT with an MP unit in Grafenwoehr. Maybe I'll see you there.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:21pm
| yeah, probably at CIF or something. congrats on that germany slot, i'm still trying to get mine swapped out with one at bragg so i can jump but its not looking like its going to happen |
Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:27pm
| Thanks for the input Reb. Might look into that soon. All you guys are a great help. Thanks for all the info. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:35pm
Like I said, if nothing else, volunteer. Besides, you'll have better luck with the ladies using the line "Yeah, I saved someone's life" than you do with "Yeah, I shot some guy in the face." ....but that's not why we do it....mostly.  ------------- ? |
Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:43pm
Boning nurses is what kept me going in the ems field. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:49pm
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Case in point. One good rescue story goes a long way. I can only imagine how well you EMS people do. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 5:52pm
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I've actually been contemplating joining the Marines lately. Not for the idea of glory or action or any of that, but just to see if I could do it. Not to mention the discipline and personal strength I would pick up. But I'm entering my Junior year in college, with a few promising internships on the horizon and grad school is looking like a real option. Looking at things practically, enlisting would not be a good idea. Depending on where I am though, I may try for OCS. Although should a draft ever be issued, I plan to enlist first thing. I actually mentioned my thoughts about enlisting to a girl a couple of months ago, and a few weeks ago, after she was rejected by her two top pick schools, she enlisted in the Marines. She leaves for boot camp in late July. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 6:27pm
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Just so you know, PFT scores for OCS are crazy, so if that's something you're interested in, make sure you're in great shape beforehand. My OSO has seen guys with 290s turned down because of their PFT, it's that hard. As far as becoming a doctor, EMT, firefighter, etc, the world needs all types. Do what makes you happy, not what you think people will respect you for the most, or what you think is best for the world. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Kopkins
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 6:37pm
Yes, I have decided that I have not fully looked into all the options. All you guys certainly helped. But Marines/military is definately still a possible path. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 7:20pm
Trust me, I put "hopeful" or something equivalent in any sentence I mention me and SEAL teams. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 7:26pm
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 9:29pm
Double! Parris Island in the summer will not be fun.... ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 9:57pm
Tell your lady friend if she's going in July she'd better lean to love chugging water, or like anal-play. |