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Topic: Intimidate voters, Get a pass, and Re-election bid
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Subject: Intimidate voters, Get a pass, and Re-election bid
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 7:48am
Only in Obummer land can stuff like this happen.
 
I wondered why Holder dropped all charges against this thug.
 
 
 
 
 
What this administration has made abundantly clear is that only people on the right need to obey the law.
 
On the left... Well, you just "misspoke" or were mis understood...
 
http://biggovernment.com/mroman/2010/05/18/only-in-philly-black-panther-on-the-ballot/ - http://biggovernment.com/mroman/2010/05/18/only-in-philly-black-panther-on-the-ballot/
 
 
Don't worry, the media won't cover this story either.
 
Because they are almost as pathetic as this administration.
 
Elections have consequences. And yesterday shows the feelings of America...


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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 1:41pm
I'm not sure I would consider that guy intimidating. Open-carry nuts would be a more credible threat than that guy, who despite that he was holding the stick, acted pretty professionally.  


Posted By: Bob Swagger
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 2:04pm
If he didn't have it for intimidation, what other possible reasons would it be used for?

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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by Bob Swagger Bob Swagger wrote:

If he didn't have it for intimidation, what other possible reasons would it be used for?

To Kill Whitey. who ever he is...


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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 2:44pm
Granted the guy is a clown, but he was acting out of a preceived fear that the KKK was going to show up and harass black voters. This is VA in 2008, I can understand how people could be nervous about reaction to the election of our first African-American president. Brandishing is the problem here, if he wants to dress like a fool and think he's protecting his people by his presence, fine by me. 


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 11:27pm
This week, Obama is a Chicago-based, thug fascist dictator. 

In a few weeks he'll go back to being a weak, empty-suit puppet of the Pelosi admin. 

The talking points are as steady as my dart throw on $1.50 Pabst night. 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 8:01am
a few weeks... Guess you missed the president of mexico slamming on the arizona law that follows the federal law...
 
AT the white house, then in front of the Senate. While the democrats cheered, and Obama said nothing.
 
 
Look at Mexico's laws... And he calls ours discriminating... Come on...
 
Our President has no backbone or pride in America. All he does is point fingers, while further trying to destroy Free Enterprise, or the "greedy" in his terms.
 
It was the first time in my adult life that I was not proud to be an American.
 
Cafferty on CNN nailed it...
 
 
 
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2010/05/20/jack-cafferty-slams-obama-mex-pres-calderon-az-law-whining - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2010/05/20/jack-cafferty-slams-obama-mex-pres-calderon-az-law-whining


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 11:12am
So we're back to the empty suit all in one thread. 

Can we go back to dictator fascist again to make the circle complete? 

Do you have another link you got from Free Republic? 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 11:49am
watch glenn beck tonight at 5:00...
 
 
on fox news channel.
 
 
It will rock your world.


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

watch glenn beck tonight at 5:00...
 
 
on fox news channel.
 
 
It will rock your world.

He's taking down the oligarhy one tear-stained chalk stick at a time. 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 12:48pm
Rand paul is right behind him!
 
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdqGSUnzpr - http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdqGSUnzpr
 
totally classic footage from this morning


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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

watch glenn beck tonight at 5:00...
 
 
on fox news channel.
 
 
It will rock your world.

He's taking down the oligarhy one tear-stained chalk stick at a time. 
I lol'd.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 1:40pm
oh look...
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/30/justice-dept-lawyer-accuses-holder-dropping-new-black-panther-case-political/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Text+-+Politics%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/30/justice-dept-lawyer-accuses-holder-dropping-new-black-panther-case-political/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Text+-+Politics%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo
 
will this hit the front page of the liberal media?...
 
 
"

The commission has repeatedly sought information from the Justice Department, going as far as filing subpoenas. Schmaler said the department has provided 2,000 pages of information in response.

But Adams says the department ordered the attorneys "to ignore the subpoena, lawlessly placing us in an unacceptably legal limbo."

Adams also says that after the dismissal, Justice Department attorneys were instructed not to bring any more cases against racial minorities under the Voting Section. 

Adams called the New Black Panther case "the simplest and most obvious violation of federal law I saw in my Justice Department career." 

But his allegations go beyond the Justice Department. He wrote that the dismissal is a symptom of the Obama administration's reverse racism and "creeping lawlessness." 

"Citizens would be shocked to learn about the open and pervasive hostility within the Justice Department to bringing civil rights cases against nonwhite defendants on behalf of white victims," he wrote in the Times article. "Equal enforcement of justice is not a priority of this administration. Open contempt is voiced for these types of cases.""

 
 
more examples of corruption in Obama's white house.
 
And these are the people "we've been waiting for"...
 
typical corrupt thugs, the Chicago Way.


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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 5:59pm
I can only imagine the outrage FE must have exhibited during the Bush administration with all the behind-the-scenes politics, deal cutting, and everything else that went on. 

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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:31pm
Maybe it is the new Klan mentality, where the Dem's use voter imtimidation just like back in the good ole days, but just reversed the roles, worked then, why not now.

Really how can the Justice Department 'Order' a clear case of voter intimidation to be passed by. If two white guys were standing infront of the polling place in white garb, hoods and with ball bats, thier 'uniform', they would already be in jail for a minimum of 'civil rights violations'.

This whole mess is just getting totally out of control, where is the 'middle' as it looks neither side has a clue, but Chicago style politics is now going nationwide, and the current Justice Department is giving orders to 'Hands off" those in thier new 'protected' status.

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Posted By: Kingtiger
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

I can only imagine the outrage FE must have exhibited during the Bush administration with all the behind-the-scenes politics, deal cutting, and everything else that went on. 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 7:43am
Originally posted by Kingtiger Kingtiger wrote:

Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

I can only imagine the outrage FE must have exhibited during the Bush administration with all the behind-the-scenes politics, deal cutting, and everything else that went on. 
 
I too hoped for change... But, not tons more, even worse stuff.
 
We already had Clinton lie to us to our faces...
 
now we have the obamagojevich lie...
 
 
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/30/faced-with-the-blagojevich-scandal-did-barack-obama-tell-the-whole-truth/?xid=rss-topstories - http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/30/faced-with-the-blagojevich-scandal-did-barack-obama-tell-the-whole-truth/?xid=rss-topstories
 
"The President-Elect had no contact or communication with Governor Blagojevich or members of his staff about the Senate seat. In various conversations with transition staff and others, the President-Elect expressed his preference that Valerie Jarrett work with him in the White House. He also stated that he would neither stand in her way if she wanted to pursue the Senate seat nor actively seek to have her or any other particular candidate appointed to the vacancy."

Typical Chicago style politics...
 
Remain in a position to deny any involvement... Even when you do stuff like this... Which gets it done, but in a way you can deny, deny, deny... Or argue the definition of "is", to quote Clinton.
 
"The Chicago Sun-Time's excellent “Blago Blog” http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/06/tom_balanoff_obama_called_day.html - summarizes Balanoff's testimony :

"Tom, I want to talk to you with regard to the Senate seat," Obama told him. 
Balanoff said Obama said he had two criteria: someone who was good for the citizens of Illinois and could be elected in 2010. Obama said he wasn't publicly coming out in support of anyone but he believed Valerie Jarrett would fit the bill. "I would much prefer she (remain in the White House) but she does want to be Senator and she does meet those two criteria," Balanoff said Obama told him. "I said: 'thank you, I'm going to reach out to Gov. Blagojevich.""



This on the back of "don't prosecute black on white voter issues"...
 
And we have a seriously corrupt white house.
 
 
again.
 
 
 


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 7:56am
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 10:12am


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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 10:54am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by Kingtiger Kingtiger wrote:

Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

I can only imagine the outrage FE must have exhibited during the Bush administration with all the behind-the-scenes politics, deal cutting, and everything else that went on. 



 

I too hoped for change... But, not tons more, even worse stuff.

 

We already had Clinton lie to us to our faces...

 

now we have the obamagojevich lie...

 

 

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/30/faced-with-the-blagojevich-scandal-did-barack-obama-tell-the-whole-truth/?xid=rss-topstories - http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/30/faced-with-the-blagojevich-scandal-did-barack-obama-tell-the-whole-truth/?xid=rss-topstories

 

"The President-Elect had no contact or communication with Governor Blagojevich or members of his staff about the Senate seat. In various conversations with transition staff and others, the President-Elect expressed his preference that Valerie Jarrett work with him in the White House. He also stated that he would neither stand in her way if she wanted to pursue the Senate seat nor actively seek to have her or any other particular candidate appointed to the vacancy."Typical Chicago style politics...

 

Remain in a position to deny any involvement... Even when you do stuff like this... Which gets it done, but in a way you can deny, deny, deny... Or argue the definition of "is", to quote Clinton.

 

"The Chicago Sun-Time's excellent “Blago Blog” http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/06/tom_balanoff_obama_called_day.html - summarizes Balanoff's testimony :


"Tom, I want to talk to you with regard to the Senate seat," Obama told him. 
Balanoff said Obama said he had two criteria: someone who was good for the citizens of Illinois and could be elected in 2010. Obama said he wasn't publicly coming out in support of anyone but he believed Valerie Jarrett would fit the bill. "I would much prefer she (remain in the White House) but she does want to be Senator and she does meet those two criteria," Balanoff said Obama told him. "I said: 'thank you, I'm going to reach out to Gov. Blagojevich.""


This on the back of "don't prosecute black on white voter issues"...

 

And we have a seriously corrupt white house.

 

 

again.

 

 

 
Wut?

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 11:02am
I think the republican party is pathetic. They are bad, spend too much, grow government too much, accept bribes, ask for money for their district.
 
In all, corrupt.
 
But, at least when they get busted, they quit, and leave quietly.
 
Then you have the democrats. They lie, cheat, steal, and don't care if they get caught...
 
Then they will tell you how dumb you are, and what the definition of "is" is.
 
Look at this "hearing" for this new supreme court apointment...
 
She is lying with almost every answer...
 
Like she gives a hoot about the constitution. She is a "living breathing" person, and will change the constitution to fit her perceptions about reality.
 
In other words, when she said she would support the second amendment ruling... She lied just like sotomeiyer lied since she said she would support the second amendment and then VOTED AGAINST IT...
 
liberals make me sick.
 
but, what do you expect when morality is relative...
 
Both parties stink. Hence I like the tea party... Who weed out the fake "career" republicans like mccain...
 
aka mccain feingold...
 
 
At this point in our country, we will either get conservative, or the country will end.
 
 
 
and the sad part is...
 
the youth will decide which direction we will take...
 
 
(hmm, no wonder the liberals control education in our country, yeah we got the one we were waiting for... Obama). brought to you by the NEA, and unions all over our great country.


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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 11:44am
Liberals control education because they're the only ones who bother to get educated.  Enjoy your bible.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 11:58am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

. . . ask for money for their district.

That's a strange thing to put in a list of negatives. It's part of the accepted and traditional job of representing your district to ask for money to come back to your district. 
 
Quote But, at least when they get busted, they quit, and leave quietly.

Sarah Palin seems to be breaking that mold then. 
 
Quote She is lying with almost every answer...

Citation needed. 
 
Quote liberals make me sick.

That's a sad way to go about approaching politics. It really is. 
 
Quote At this point in our country, we will either get conservative, or the country will end.

How exactly do you see the country coming to an end if we don't all become conservative? 
 
Quote no wonder the liberals control education in our country, 

What? 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

. . . ask for money for their district.

That's a strange thing to put in a list of negatives. It's part of the accepted and traditional job of representing your district to ask for money to come back to your district. 
 
 
 
It should not be part of a politicians job... This is corruption plain and simple, and here in my area we hire our politicians based on them NOT accepting pork... I can't believe you think that pork barrel projects are a "good" thing?...
 
http://www.johnboehner.com/?p=1139 - http://www.johnboehner.com/?p=1139
 
But, noo, get some obamabucks, they are free right?...
 
Quote But, at least when they get busted, they quit, and leave quietly.

Sarah Palin seems to be breaking that mold then. 
 
citation needed...
 
Quote She is lying with almost every answer...

Citation needed. 
 
http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2010/07/01/fact-kagan-is-anti-second-amendment/ - http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2010/07/01/fact-kagan-is-anti-second-amendment/
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100629/pl_mcclatchy/3551844 - http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100629/pl_mcclatchy/3551844
 
if she really doesn't know what a "legal progressive" is, then she is not qualified to be on the supreme court... It's not like her massive judicial experience makes her fit to be on the court... Oh wait. She wasn't EVER a judge, and yet she is good enough to be on the supreme court... Why don't they just pull some guy off the street and make them a lifetime judge...
 
 
 
OR maybe they wanted someone that didn't have a record, that could manipulate their answers to hide from their true intentions during their lifetime on the court appointment... As that is what progressives do, they can't be honest with their opinions, they have to hide them, as the country doesn't want judicial activism.
 
Quote liberals make me sick.

That's a sad way to go about approaching politics. It really is. 
 
Quote At this point in our country, we will either get conservative, or the country will end.

How exactly do you see the country coming to an end if we don't all become conservative? 
 
When we become like every other country instead of the place where you can start with nothing and become Bill Gates in one generation... Then we have lost what made America great. Look at
 
Quote no wonder the liberals control education in our country, 

What? 
 
what do you mean "what"? everyone realizes that our school systems are run by liberals, that is common knowledge. They indoctrinate instead of educate, and based on the last Presidential election, that indoctrination works.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 12:44pm
Oh, and back on topic...
 
http://biggovernment.com/jdunetz/2010/07/01/former-doj-official-charges-racism-drove-doj-to-kill-black-panther-voter-intimidation-case/ - http://biggovernment.com/jdunetz/2010/07/01/former-doj-official-charges-racism-drove-doj-to-kill-black-panther-voter-intimidation-case/
 
Just to be clear, it is OK to intimidate and prevent people from voting by threatening them, if you are black.
 
Because black on white crime...
 
isn't wrong according to Obama's administration.


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


It should not be part of a politicians job... This is corruption plain and simple, and here in my area we hire our politicians based on them NOT accepting pork... I can't believe you think that pork barrel projects are a "good" thing?...
 

Maybe that makes me a bad American or something. 

Of course, I don't want an elected official to be bought by a lobbyist or add in worthless riders into bills to get said money. That's not the right way to go about doing it. 

But I do want my representative to properly represent my district, and included in that is fighting to bring in money and support to said area. 

Of course, I vote in Florida's 8th District. Your head will probably burst when you look up who that is. LOL

Although, I've not decided if I'm going to become an Ohio resident when I move. If so, I'll be in Ohio's 6th. I don't know a lot about it. I'll have to research before I make the switch. 

Quote  But, noo, get some obamabucks, they are free right?...
 
I guess I'm a bit confused by this. Has the act of representatives pulling in money for their districts only happened under Obama? 
 
Quote citation needed...

She has not left, and not gone away quietly, despite being exposed as a bit of a ... well, less intelligent person. 
 
Quote if she really doesn't know what a "legal progressive" is, then she is not qualified to be on the supreme court...

I can see how that could be seen as a "lie," but the term "progressive," has been thrown around in nearly every capacity known to man by nearly both sides of the coin. It's not been until recently that it was turned into a negative by conservatives. 

I can understand her answer. You just don't like the answer. 

If you are looking through an honest political scope, which sadly you do not posses, you'll see that Kagan is not some far reaching leftist. Some have gone as far as to call her a pragmatist. 

You can say that you THINK she'll switch her mind once she is on the court. But until then, she hasn't lied.  

Quote It's not like her massive judicial experience makes her fit to be on the court... Oh wait. She wasn't EVER a judge, and yet she is good enough to be on the supreme court... Why don't they just pull some guy off the street and make them a lifetime judge...
 
You are aware that the U.S. Solicitor General doesn't sit around all day twiddling their thumbs, yeah?
 
Quote OR maybe they wanted someone that didn't have a record, that could manipulate their answers to hide from their true intentions during their lifetime on the court appointment...

What brand of aluminum foil is your preference? 

I like Diamond Brand Extra Strength. 
  
Quote When we become like every other country instead of the place where you can start with nothing and become Bill Gates in one generation...

So, in your opinion, the Scandinavian countries are included in "Every other country?" 

Also, in your brian, nobody becomes billionaires in any other country BUT the U.S.? 
 
Quote everyone realizes that our school systems are run by liberals, that is common knowledge. They indoctrinate instead of educate, and based on the last Presidential election, that indoctrination works.

Do you have some kind of statistic or data collection to back that claim up with? 

If not, please pass the foil. I need a new hat. Mine is tearing. 


Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 3:17pm
As the courts seem to be more intent on governing rather than thier real job, appointees are becoming more dangerous, since they are 'lifetime' appointee's rather than elected. Activists realized a long time ago if you can not pass the popular muster(vote) rule on the law and then enact it.

Overturning several laws that as I understand are written by umpteen lawyers, and then once passed by popular vote, determined to be 'unconstitutional'makes me scratch my head in wonder. Lawyers write these bill, check constitutional merit, and then place bill/law up for vote, and only if it passes and is unpopular with certian elements is there a 'constitutional' challenge.

The Judiciary should not be in the 'Bill' bussiness, there has never been a neutral Supreme Court, but recently it is growing into a "House of Lords" where they feel it is thier duty to rewrite the Law.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 3:31pm
Oh so many things wrong with what you said, especially an extreme lack of understanding of the Supreme Court, how it works, how it was formed and the thought process that went into its creation. 

Ahem: 

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

As the courts seem to be more intent on governing rather than thier real job

You have Marbury v. Madison to blame for that one. If you actually want to assign blame. 

Quote but recently it is growing into a "House of Lords" where they feel it is thier duty to rewrite the Law.

So you place the blame for that on the conservatives then, right? 

It's been a conservative court for quite some time now. 



Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 8:22am
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


[quote] citation needed...

She has not left, and not gone away quietly, despite being exposed as a bit of a ... well, less intelligent person. 
 
 
 
and there it is...
 
no citation as requested, just a "journalist" following the hook, line and sinker of the democratic talking points. That is all liberals have, "you are dumb"... Shoot, you guys have told me over and over how dumb I am.
 
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Liberals control education because they're the only ones who bother to get educated.  Enjoy your bible.
 
 
See stuff like that ^ is the reason people get upset. Why troll like that?...
 
 
Is this the inpartiality you strive for?
 
 
One question.
 
Who is smarter Biden or Palin?


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 9:43am
I agree with Charlie Daniels...
 
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/charlie-daniels/2010/07/01/trouble-career-politicians - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/charlie-daniels/2010/07/01/trouble-career-politicians


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 10:23am
Oh lookie... The DOJ attacks the whistle blower... Wow, that is a new and fresh tactic from the left.
 
I guess they couldn't label him as dumb dumb... Since they just promoted him.
 
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2010/07/02/open-thread-doj-attacks-former-employee-over-new-black-panthers - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2010/07/02/open-thread-doj-attacks-former-employee-over-new-black-panthers
 
 


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 10:24am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


no citation as requested, just a "journalist" following the hook, line and sinker of the democratic talking points. That is all liberals have, "you are dumb"... Shoot, you guys have told me over and over how dumb I am.

I'll skip over the sly dig of using quotes to refer to my job, for one. 

For two, it's cute that after everything I've typed on this forum for years you still view me as liberal and a mouthpiece for Obama. 

Now to the point: Is it your opinion sir that in an interview, when she was asked what other Supreme Court cases she disagreed with other than Roe v. Wade and couldn't name another court case, that is indeed not a sign of a lack of political prowess and knowledge? 

Or is that whole Couric interview just part of the gosh durn "Gotcha media?" 


 
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

See stuff like that ^ is the reason people get upset. Why troll like that?...


So ignore the troll and show me statistical proof that there is a mass-sweeping liberal bias


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 10:28am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Liberals control education because they're the only ones who bother to get educated.  Enjoy your bible.
 
 
See stuff like that ^ is the reason people get upset. Why troll like that?...
 
 
Is this the inpartiality you strive for?
 
 
One question.
 
Who is smarter Biden or Palin?


Neither of them are particularly intelligent, but if I had to choose one, I certainly wouldn't pick the one who thinks that abstinence only education actually works in high school when their own daughter is popping out kids.

And I don't give a damn about impartiality, or political correctness.  All of this party politics is straight up BS, you can't trust ANY politicians, left, right up or down.  I'm sick of your constant bickering and Glenn Beck nut hugging.  Quit clinging to your prejudices and embrace everyone as your equal, not just your right wing buddies. 

Don't bother responding to this, I'm not going to play your games and debate with you and waste my own time.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 8:20am
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


no citation as requested, just a "journalist" following the hook, line and sinker of the democratic talking points. That is all liberals have, "you are dumb"... Shoot, you guys have told me over and over how dumb I am.

I'll skip over the sly dig of using quotes to refer to my job, for one. 

For two, it's cute that after everything I've typed on this forum for years you still view me as liberal and a mouthpiece for Obama. 

Now to the point: Is it your opinion sir that in an interview, when she was asked what other Supreme Court cases she disagreed with other than Roe v. Wade and couldn't name another court case, that is indeed not a sign of a lack of political prowess and knowledge? 

Or is that whole Couric interview just part of the gosh durn "Gotcha media?" 


 
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

See stuff like that ^ is the reason people get upset. Why troll like that?...


So ignore the troll and show me statistical proof that there is a mass-sweeping liberal bias
 
 
Ok.
 
How about this thread... Washington times editorial pretty much nailed it... Proving the liberal media bias on this very story...
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/2/media-blackout-for-black-panthers/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/2/media-blackout-for-black-panthers/
 
"Where is http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/the-new-york-times/ - the New York Times ? Where is http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/the-washington-post/ - The Washington Post ? Where are http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/cbs/ - CBS and http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/nbc/ - NBC ? A whistleblower makes explosive allegations about the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/ - Department of Justice ; his story is backed by at least two other witnesses; and the allegations involve the two hot-button issues of race and of blatant politicization of the justice system. A potential constitutional confrontation stemming from the scandal brews between the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/ - Justice Department and the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/us-commission/ - U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. A congressman highly respected for thoughtfulness and bipartisanship has all but accused the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-department-of-justice/ - department of serious impropriety. By every standard of objective journalism, this adds up to real news.

Or it would be real news if a Republican http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/ - Justice Department stood accused. It would be real news if the liberal media weren't mostly in the tank for our celebrated but failing first black president."...

 
this blog also nails it..
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010070510889/politics-and-economics/the-msm-blackout-of-the-black-panther-scandal-vs-children-with-fingers-in-their-ears.html - http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010070510889/politics-and-economics/the-msm-blackout-of-the-black-panther-scandal-vs-children-with-fingers-in-their-ears.html


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 10:17am
It is almost like the left leaning media/journalist's graduated from the Jopseph Goebbles School of Media/Journalism. Only report on the positive needs of the party, not of the State. Just like the German's believing they were still winning as the Russians were at Berlin's doorstep, the Democrats actually believe they are best for America, and will only report as such. When in doubt, the tried and true, "IT IS BUSH'S FAULT".


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 10:28am
Do I think the mainstream media leans left?

Yes.

Do I think it matters?

No.  In today's world there are too many alternate sources of information for a discriminating news reader/observer to choose from.  What I think is this and other cases where the tarditional media jumps on the bandwagon with too little coverage too late will only hasten their downfall.  I also think that eventually one of these scandals will bust wide open and have widespread repercussions for the current administration, the Democratic party in general and (perhaps unfortunately*) for our governing process as a whole.

*I can see such a scandal resulting in too far a swing back to the right.


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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 10:38am
still drunk from last night...

dude either has a retarded tailor or hes got something heavy in his pocket...

lets take bets: hi-point, taurus, or glock fo-tay?

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:


And I don't give a damn about impartiality, or political correctness.  All of this party politics is straight up BS, you can't trust ANY politicians, left, right up or down.  I'm sick of your constant bickering and Glenn Beck nut hugging.  Quit clinging to your prejudices and embrace everyone as your equal, not just your right wing buddies.


ClapClap That was fantastic.

This is exactly why I have decided to divorce myself from any party and to just look at the candidates in any election on an individual basis, regardless of party affiliation. Playing the party game is just a waste of time as nobody can be trusted to stick to that and honestly, they shouldn't. Every person has their own set of beliefs and sense of morality which influence their decisions. When judging somebody running for office, that is what you need to look at, along with voting history (when applicable) or their opinions on popular issues. The right vs left stuff is just stupid and childish now. If anything is destroying our government, it's the bickering between those at these two extremes, not the gosh darn liberal nazi/commies. People are so wrapped up in that crap that they just vote for people based on what "team" they're playing for rather than what they can actually do once in power. It's society's own immaturity and utter stupidity that's ruining our government.

As for the voter intimidation stuff, after watching that video I think there's a good reason most news sources didn't make a big stink about it. Sure, those guys are silly and should not have been there (especially with clubs out) but they weren't walking up to people like "vote for <candidate> dawg or I'll break yo face in". They were just standing there looking stupid and telling themselves that they were providing security. They don't know who people voted for and I saw no evidence of them trying to influence the vote. If I had to vote there I'd think it was odd that there were crazy people running "security" but I honestly wouldn't give a crap and I'd vote however I planned on voting. When people claimed the tea party crowd was a bunch of racists and whatnot, you, FE, said that until there was evidence of such things it was wrong to say it was true. Well, guess what? That logic was actually sound but unfortunately it doesn't only apply when it will help your argument. Until there is evidence that voters were being intimidated and influenced to vote a certain way by these individuals, it would be wrong to say this is true. I don't think they should have been there and they certainly should not have had weapons out like that but I don't think it affected voting in any way. Until I see evidence proving otherwise, I'd say they're only guilty of looking foolish, a crime you commit here on a regular basis.

I won't go into a long response about your other unfounded claims about liberals running education and all that because lack of proof and logic does the job just fine. I will however share a fun fact. I grew up attending public schools and just finished my bachelor's at a state university. Throughout school I remember no political influence on my education until college. At that point some teachers would sometimes share their opinions on certain issues if it came up in discussion. The only teacher I remember that would really push his opinions hard was this one old guy teaching my history class. Though he didn't say it, he was clearly very conservative. Based on my experience in the public school system, the only bias I witnessed was not liberal but conservative. At that age though, it didn't matter much because I'm quite capable of thinking for myself and separating fact and opinion. My experience and your lack of proof makes me think you just accuse everybody of being a liberal nut because you're so far to the right that even conservatives look like socialist weasels to you. As much as you and glenn beck would like to believe that the whole world has been brainwashed by progressives, you'll need to find some proof if you don't want to look crazy. Good luck with that.


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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 12:56pm
Godwin by page 2, YES!

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 1:15pm
except there is tons of evidence to convict in this case...
 
Evidence that according to the lawyer in charge of prosecution has been covered up by the justice department.
 
so much so that HE QUIT!
 
read if from his mouth.
 
http://community.myfoxphilly.com/numbersix/blog/2010/07/01/adams:_inside_the_black_panther_case:_anger,_ignorance_and_lies - http://community.myfoxphilly.com/numbersix/blog/2010/07/01/adams:_inside_the_black_panther_case:_anger,_ignorance_and_lies
 
"By J. Christian Adams 6:58 p.m., Friday, June 25, 2010. On the day President Obama was elected, armed men wearing the black berets and jackboots of the New Black Panther Party were stationed at the entrance to a polling place in Philadelphia. They brandished a weapon and intimidated voters and poll watchers. After the election, the Justice Department brought a voter-intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party and those armed thugs. I and other Justice attorneys diligently pursued the case and obtained an entry of default after the defendants ignored the charges. Before a final judgment could be entered in May 2009, our superiors ordered us to dismiss the case.

The New Black Panther case was the simplest and most obvious violation of federal law I saw in my Justice Department career. Because of the corrupt nature of the dismissal, statements falsely characterizing the case and, most of all, indefensible orders for the career attorneys not to comply with lawful subpoenas investigating the dismissal, this month I resigned my position as a Department of Justice (DOJ) attorney.

The federal voter-intimidation statutes we used against the New Black Panthers were enacted because America never realized genuine racial equality in elections. Threats of violence characterized elections from the end of the Civil War until the passage of the Voting Rights Act in 1965. Before the Voting Rights Act, blacks seeking the right to vote, and those aiding them, were victims of violence and intimidation. But unlike the Southern legal system, Southern violence did not discriminate. Black voters were slain, as were the white champions of their cause. Some of the bodies were tossed into bogs and in one case in Philadelphia, Miss., they were buried together in an earthen dam.

Based on my firsthand experiences, I believe the dismissal of the Black Panther case was motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law. Others still within the department share my assessment. The department abetted wrongdoers and abandoned law-abiding citizens victimized by the New Black Panthers. The dismissal raises serious questions about the department's enforcement neutrality in upcoming midterm elections and the subsequent 2012 presidential election.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has opened an investigation into the dismissal and the DOJ's skewed enforcement priorities. Attorneys who brought the case are under subpoena to testify, but the department ordered us to ignore the subpoena, lawlessly placing us in an unacceptable legal limbo.

The assistant attorney general for civil rights, Tom Perez, has testified repeatedly that the "facts and law" did not support this case. That claim is false. If the actions in Philadelphia do not constitute voter intimidation, it is hard to imagine what would, short of an actual outbreak of violence at the polls. Let's all hope this administration has not invited that outcome through the corrupt dismissal.

Most corrupt of all, the lawyers who ordered the dismissal - Loretta King, the Obama-appointed acting head of the Civil Rights Division, and Steve Rosenbaum - did not even read the internal Justice Department memorandums supporting the case and investigation. Just as Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. admitted that he did not read the Arizona immigration law before he condemned it, Mr. Rosenbaum admitted that he had not bothered to read the most important department documents detailing the investigative facts and applicable law in the New Black Panther case. Christopher Coates, the former Voting Section chief, was so outraged at this dereliction of responsibility that he actually threw the memos at Mr. Rosenbaum in the meeting where they were discussing the dismissal of the case. The department subsequently removed all of Mr. Coates' responsibilities and sent him to South Carolina.

Mr. Perez also inaccurately testified to the House Judiciary Committee that federal "Rule 11" required the dismissal of the lawsuit. Lawyers know that Rule 11 is an ethical obligation to bring only meritorious claims, and such a charge by Mr. Perez effectively challenges the ethics and professionalism of the five attorneys who commenced the case. Yet the attorneys who brought the case were voting rights experts and would never pursue a frivolous matter. Their experience in election law far surpassed the experience of the officials who ordered the dismissal.

Some have called the actions in Philadelphia an isolated incident, not worthy of federal attention. To the contrary, the Black Panthers in October 2008 announced a nationwide deployment for the election. We had indications that polling-place thugs were deployed elsewhere, not only in November 2008, but also during the Democratic primaries, where they targeted white Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters. In any event, the law clearly prohibits even isolated incidents of voter intimidation.

Others have falsely claimed that no voters were affected. Not only did the evidence rebut this claim, but the law does not require a successful effort to intimidate; it punishes even the attempt."



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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 1:27pm
 
 
No way ^ could be wanting to intimidate white voters... naaa....
 
 
 
I wonder what they would have done if I had walked by and picked up the flag they were disprespecting...
 
 
is that video an example of intimidation?
 
 


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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

except there is tons of evidence to convict in this case...
 
Evidence that according to the lawyer in charge of prosecution has been covered up by the justice department.
 
so much so that HE QUIT!
 
read if from his mouth.
 
http://community.myfoxphilly.com/numbersix/blog/2010/07/01/adams:_inside_the_black_panther_case:_anger,_ignorance_and_lies - http://community.myfoxphilly.com/numbersix/blog/2010/07/01/adams:_inside_the_black_panther_case:_anger,_ignorance_and_lies
 
"By J. Christian Adams 6:58 p.m., Friday, June 25, 2010. On the day President Obama was elected, armed men wearing the black berets and jackboots of the New Black Panther Party were stationed at the entrance to a polling place in Philadelphia. They brandished a weapon and intimidated voters and poll watchers. After the election, the Justice Department brought a voter-intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party and those armed thugs. I and other Justice attorneys diligently pursued the case and obtained an entry of default after the defendants ignored the charges. Before a final judgment could be entered in May 2009, our superiors ordered us to dismiss the case.

The New Black Panther case was the simplest and most obvious violation of federal law I saw in my Justice Department career. Because of the corrupt nature of the dismissal, statements falsely characterizing the case and, most of all, indefensible orders for the career attorneys not to comply with lawful subpoenas investigating the dismissal, this month I resigned my position as a Department of Justice (DOJ) attorney.

The federal voter-intimidation statutes we used against the New Black Panthers were enacted because America never realized genuine racial equality in elections. Threats of violence characterized elections from the end of the Civil War until the passage of the Voting Rights Act in 1965. Before the Voting Rights Act, blacks seeking the right to vote, and those aiding them, were victims of violence and intimidation. But unlike the Southern legal system, Southern violence did not discriminate. Black voters were slain, as were the white champions of their cause. Some of the bodies were tossed into bogs and in one case in Philadelphia, Miss., they were buried together in an earthen dam.

Based on my firsthand experiences, I believe the dismissal of the Black Panther case was motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law. Others still within the department share my assessment. The department abetted wrongdoers and abandoned law-abiding citizens victimized by the New Black Panthers. The dismissal raises serious questions about the department's enforcement neutrality in upcoming midterm elections and the subsequent 2012 presidential election.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has opened an investigation into the dismissal and the DOJ's skewed enforcement priorities. Attorneys who brought the case are under subpoena to testify, but the department ordered us to ignore the subpoena, lawlessly placing us in an unacceptable legal limbo.

The assistant attorney general for civil rights, Tom Perez, has testified repeatedly that the "facts and law" did not support this case. That claim is false. If the actions in Philadelphia do not constitute voter intimidation, it is hard to imagine what would, short of an actual outbreak of violence at the polls. Let's all hope this administration has not invited that outcome through the corrupt dismissal.

Most corrupt of all, the lawyers who ordered the dismissal - Loretta King, the Obama-appointed acting head of the Civil Rights Division, and Steve Rosenbaum - did not even read the internal Justice Department memorandums supporting the case and investigation. Just as Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. admitted that he did not read the Arizona immigration law before he condemned it, Mr. Rosenbaum admitted that he had not bothered to read the most important department documents detailing the investigative facts and applicable law in the New Black Panther case. Christopher Coates, the former Voting Section chief, was so outraged at this dereliction of responsibility that he actually threw the memos at Mr. Rosenbaum in the meeting where they were discussing the dismissal of the case. The department subsequently removed all of Mr. Coates' responsibilities and sent him to South Carolina.

Mr. Perez also inaccurately testified to the House Judiciary Committee that federal "Rule 11" required the dismissal of the lawsuit. Lawyers know that Rule 11 is an ethical obligation to bring only meritorious claims, and such a charge by Mr. Perez effectively challenges the ethics and professionalism of the five attorneys who commenced the case. Yet the attorneys who brought the case were voting rights experts and would never pursue a frivolous matter. Their experience in election law far surpassed the experience of the officials who ordered the dismissal.

Some have called the actions in Philadelphia an isolated incident, not worthy of federal attention. To the contrary, the Black Panthers in October 2008 announced a nationwide deployment for the election. We had indications that polling-place thugs were deployed elsewhere, not only in November 2008, but also during the Democratic primaries, where they targeted white Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters. In any event, the law clearly prohibits even isolated incidents of voter intimidation.

Others have falsely claimed that no voters were affected. Not only did the evidence rebut this claim, but the law does not require a successful effort to intimidate; it punishes even the attempt."



So your proof that these nut jobs were intimidating voters is an article about somebody who says he believes this is true and that evidence exists? He clearly believed very strongly that this was the case but that doesn't count as proof. He claims that there is evidence so why not share that? If it's video, post it online. If it's just a bunch of voters sharing their experience there, post it. I've seen none of the evidence of voter intimidation that you and that lawyer claim to exist in such large quantities. These black panther party individuals are clearly foolish/crazy and may have been there because they think they were helping black people feel secure about going there to vote (because obviously whitey will do everything he can to keep them from voting). I'm not sure that their presence is enough to call this voter intimidation though, especially since I haven't seen or heard of them saying or doing anything to anybody there. The article also mentions this sort of thing happening elsewhere but they only say there were "indications" of it. To me, the little bit I've seen and an article where a lawyer says there is evidence of voter intimidation is not enough. Unless voter intimidation is defined more specifically, it seems entirely up to personal opinion so you have to go with what those in power decide. In this case, they decided that people like yourself were overreacting.


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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
No way ^ could be wanting to intimidate white voters... naaa....
 


Ok....

This proves that the black panther party is a bunch of crazy black people but nothing else. While it makes it believable that they would intimidate voters, it doesn't prove it. Given their view of our society, you could just as easily believe that they felt they were helping blacks feel like they could safely go there to vote because the black panthers were providing "security". Yes, I'm aware that is stupid but that is likely how they think. Both this theory and the theory that they wanted to scare voters are possible but neither can be proven unless we can get them to give us their true intentions or find a way to tap their brains. That is, unless there is something like a video showing them trying to intimidate voters. The video I saw just showed them standing around looking foolish.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


I wonder what they would have done if I had walked by and picked up the flag they were disprespecting...
 
is that video an example of intimidation?


That video is an example of stupidity and propaganda. It could be seen as intimidating by some, especially whites who apparently all owned slaves and fully supported slavery. However, unless I missed something they basically just said whitey sucks but I didn't hear any threats made, just ignorant propaganda.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

Godwin by page 2, YES!


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 6:01pm
OK for all of you who cannot see the simularity we will go modern:

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm - http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm

No matter how bad it is the 'state' media blames everyone but the 'state'. A true 'workers paradise'.

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 06 July 2010 at 1:01am
Sadly, FE does bring up some valid points that tend to get lost in the rest of his rhetoric.  Those that are interested should check out http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/10/a-conflict-over-subpoenas-in-new-black-panther-case/ - this link (which doesn't work--see note below) regarding the topic of discussion.  (Its not that long a read.) It seems relatively unbiased and explains the positions of the Civil Rights Commission, the DOJ and some interesting background on Mr. Adams that might be relevant.  It also goes into the inherent conflict of interest involved in the subpoena as it applies in this instance and hints at the fact that in some ways the DOJ is above the law (or at least seems to consider itself as so). 

As a side not to whoever said Adams should present this evidence, it has to be pointed out that it is not in his possession, it is in the possession of the DOJ which is not sharing it at this time.


Edited:  To fix link.
Second Edit:  Apparently you can't direct link to the site without signing in.  The article address is below:

http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/10/a-conflict-over-subpoenas-in-new-black-panther-case/

Final (I hope) edit:  Heck with it, here's the article.

A Conflict Over Subpoenas in New Black Panther Case

By http://www.mainjustice.com/author/ryanjreilly/ - Ryan J. Reilly | December 10, 2009 12:57 pm

http://www.mainjustice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/MG_1536.jpg">Todd Gaziano is leading the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights   inquiry into the New Black Panther Party case (photo by Ryan J. Reilly /   Main Justice).

Todd Gaziano is leading the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights inquiry into the New Black Panther Party case (file photo by Ryan J. Reilly / Main Justice).

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has subpoenaed the Justice Department to obtain documents related to the  http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/02/doj-attorney-fights-to-testify-about-black-panthers/ - handling of the case against the New Black Panther Party and several members.

Documents the commission is seeking include witness statements, copies of investigations by the Justice Department, reports of suspected voter intimidation, documents on the decision to drop charges and communications among DOJ officials relating to the case.

Just one problem – it’s up to the Justice Department to enforce the subpoena from the executive branch agency. And therein lies the conflict.

The Justice Department has not decided whether to hand over the material. It says its employees are not subject to contempt of court for refusing to disclose internal DOJ documents, under a 1951 U.S. Supreme Court decision, United States ex rel. Touhy v. Ragen.

In addition, the Department is conducting internal reviews related to the incident and has not set a time frame for when it expects to complete them.

Todd Gaziano, the commissioner leading the inquiry into the case, told Main Justice that DOJ is stonewalling and that he doesn’t buy their explanation for not facilitating the commission’s investigation.

“It’s a tremendous waste of resources for the attorney general to act in a lawless way,” Gaziano said. “The department has no statute that exempts them from our subpoena authority.”

The commission’s lack of independent authority to enforce the subpoenas it issues doesn’t diminish its status, said Gaziano. He says the commission had to resort to subpoenas because the department inadequately respond to several letters requesting information.

Until a final decision related to the commission’s review of the matter has been made, the department has instructed the two career Civil Rights Section lawyers subpoenaed so far to “abide by lawful departmental regulations.”  That means they can’t be deposed without the approval of the Justice Department.

“Given the scope of the request, the Civil Division informed the commission that it would not be able to review its request in the time frame requested,” said DOJ spokesperson Alejandro Miyar. “We’ve requested additional information from the commission and we’ll respond, but no, there is no time frame.”

http://www.mainjustice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/MG_1554.jpg">Rep. Lamar Smith (Photo by Ryan J. Reilly / Main Justice).

Rep. Lamar Smith (Photo by Ryan J. Reilly / Main Justice).

An inquiry into the matter was opened by the Office of Professional Responsibility at the request of House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas), according to a DOJ letter to Smith dated Aug. 28.

Members of the black separatist group stood outside a Philadelphia polling place last November in military-style fatigues. The government filed a civil lawsuit against the organization and three members in the waning days of the Bush administration.

The case was compiled by http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/02/doj-attorney-fights-to-testify-about-black-panthers/ - J. Christian Adams , a career Voting Section attorney with a record of conservative advocacy, who was hired in 2005 by then-Civil Rights Division political appointee Brad Schlozman.

A joint investigation of Schlozman by the DOJ’s Inspector General and OPR found that Schlozman had broken federal law by improperly taking politicla and ideological affiliations into account when hiring career civil service lawyers.

The report said Schlozman was  ”unsuitable for public service” and found he’d referred to applicants with liberal affiliations as “mold spores,” “commies” and “crazy pinkos.”

Earlier this year, then-acting Civil Rights Division chief Loretta King recommended dismissing most of the complaint, after the New Black Panther members and the party failed to respond. Associate Attorney General Tom Perrelli approved her recommendation, The Washington Times has  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/30/no-3-at-justice-okd-panther-reversal/?feat=home_cube_position1 - reported . Most of the complaint was dismissed in May.  An injunction was obtained against one New Black Panther Party member who held a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling place. Read the notice of dismissal  http://mainjustice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/notice-of-dismissal-doc-17-1.pdf - here .

http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/07/gop-members-washington-times-press-doj-on-black-panthers-case/ - Conservatives have characterized the incident as evidence of politicization of the Justice Department under Attorney General Eric Holder.

The complaint alleged violations of the Voting Rights Act section 11(b), which deals with voter intimidation. It was only the third case on alleged violations of section 11(b) in the history of the Voting Rights Act, passed in 1965.

DOJ officials say they are following department policy regarding disclosure of information about cases and requiring their current and former employees to do the same.

“We’ve had long standing guidelines that are very clear that current and former employees must be authorized by the department before disclosing internal information regarding their official duties,” said Miyar. “We have to follow the long standing guidelines.”

In a letter to the Justice Department, the commission’s general counsel refered to a “dearth of cooperation” on the part of the department.

“We are mindful of the sensitivity of the subject matter involved and aware that, in response to similar requests, the department has raised various concerns and matters of privilege,” wrote David Blackwood. “While such considerations carry weight, cooperation with commission investigations is a mandatory statutory obligation.”

Democratic commissioners have criticized the agency’s narrow focus on the Black Panther incident. But at least one prominent Republican also agrees.

“They’re provoking a confrontation with the White House, and I’m not sure what the benefits are going to be,” conservative commentator Linda Chavez, a former staff director for the commission, told Main Justice. “Obama has left them alone for now, but he could come in and make big changes,” said Chavez.

Calling the commission an “odd hybrid,” that has been “a thorn in the side of many different administrations,” Chavez said she considers the commission an executive branch agency with very little authority. She said the information it is requesting from the Justice Department, specifically the internal communications between officials handling the case, should fall under executive privilege.

“It calls up the whole question of whether the commission has outlived it’s usefulness,” said Chavez.

Gaziano disagreed with Chavez. The commission’s subpoena power is akin to that of a congressional committee, said Gaziano.

He also said the commission wants to look more broadly at voter intimidation allegations that the Civil Rights Division has investigated, even those in which charges were not filed. He said the OPR investigation should not be used as an excuse to delay the commission’s investigation.



 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 7:28am
Originally posted by mod98commando mod98commando wrote:

That video is an example of stupidity and propaganda. It could be seen as intimidating by some, especially whites who apparently all owned slaves and fully supported slavery. However, unless I missed something they basically just said whitey sucks but I didn't hear any threats made, just ignorant propaganda.
 
 
Well... what about this video... (this is the same guy who carried the knightstick...)
 
 
 
 
No threats there?... free speech?...
 
Tolerance?...


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Well... what about this video... (this is the same guy who carried the knightstick...) . . . .

The man's statement's are incendiary and racist.  However, with the possible exception of the parts that can be considered inciting violence, it is not illegal.  Had he made statements like this while at the polling place then this video would be pertinent to this specific discussion.  As there is no evidence that he did (much like the lack of evidence regarding the Tea Party and the Black Congressional) the posting of this video is the equivalent of saying "He's guilty of intimidation at the polls because I have proof that he was hateful and racist someplace else."
 
. . . No threats there?

The calls to action could definitely be considered threats.  However, as pointed out above, he is not making these at a polling place.

... free speech?...

Yes.
 
Tolerance?...

Not so much.  Are you proposing that the government should limit his free speech and force him to be more tolerant of those who differ from him?


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 12:46pm

No way... I don't think the government should get involved in a free speech issue like the video shows.

 
But...
 
I watched the video of the intimidation at the polling place. Which is a clear case of intimidation that mod98 won't acknowledge.
 
as he was claiming there wasn't sufficient evidence that this group (new black panthers) were out to intimidate white voters.
 
This video helps build the case that they are in fact racists, who are out to... well, he said it clearly enough himself on the video...
 
And since it is the same guy that the entire case revolves around... it is important to the discussion.
 
Should he be allowed to say that stuff. Sure. Just like I should be allowed to say what I say.
 
The hypocrisy is that with all the "civil rights" issues we heard about considering the arizona immigration law... Then they let this joker slide... When there are actual civil rights being affected, but they are black on white, instead of white vs ________. (voting is a civil right)
 
on the arizona thing... interesting how the civil rights part was left out of the lawsuit... Guess modeling the law after the federal law wasn't such a bad idea after all.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 1:37pm
hmm... Three more come out...
 
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breaking-former-doj-officials-stepping-forward-to-support-j-christian-adams/?singlepage=true - http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breaking-former-doj-officials-stepping-forward-to-support-j-christian-adams/?singlepage=true
 
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 1:47pm
The following is insane, and I can't believe this is going on in the United States of America.
 
Guess we better change "united" to something else...
 
 
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/black-panther-case-who-runs-the-country/?singlepage=true - http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/black-panther-case-who-runs-the-country/?singlepage=true
 
"Today I testified to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights pursuant to a subpoena investigating the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation dismissal. I would rather no such obligation had arisen.

My previous Pajamas Media article comprised much of what I was willing to testify about. In http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/j-christian-adams-you-deserve-to-know-%E2%80%94-unequal-law-enforcement-reigns-at-obamas-doj-pjm-exclusive/ - that article , I detailed specific instances of hostility being expressed towards a race-neutral enforcement of civil rights laws, and in particular laws regarding voting and elections.

To the many that have experienced the hostility firsthand, denials of its existence seem preposterous.

To the many who expressed such hostility, often thoughtful but wrong, it would be a help to all of us if they might engage the debate with the respectable tenor which they sometimes did when I was in the Department of Justice. After all, such opponents of race-neutral law enforcement surely weren’t “cowards” about discussing race in those instances, and we might all benefit from a full understanding of their views. So let’s have the opponents of race-neutral enforcement of voting cases come out in the open and tell the American public why they oppose it.

But I’ll start the discussion for now.

I am reminded of a visit to the Voting Section by newly confirmed Attorney General Eric Holder in March of 2009. Attorney General Holder came to the conference room to meet the assembled Voting Section. He was introduced by a political appointee, then-acting Assistant Attorney General Loretta King. It was quite exciting. In every federal building, a photograph of the president is displayed with the agency head. So in the Justice Department, President Obama is displayed with General Holder at the entrances.

Loretta King had the honor of introducing Attorney General Holder. She would subsequently participate in the dismissal of the New Black Panther voter intimidation case. And she said something astonishing in her introduction of the attorney general.

She exclaimed to the crowd:

I can’t tell you how exciting it is to go to work every day, and look up at the photos, and see that we now have two black men running the country.

Cheers followed, but not from everyone.

Obviously, I recognize the joy that naturally surrounds the election of the first black president. In 1860, a system of bondage debased the humanity of nearly four million souls in America. Even after hundreds of thousands gave their lives in places like Gettysburg, Stones River, and Battery Wagner, new but still evil ways were devised to oppress a race.

I’ve stood alone in the driveway where Medgar Evers fell in Jackson, Mississippi, and considered the sad heroism that characterizes some of the last martyrs to a cause. How close he came to seeing a sort of Promised Land on Earth, where Mississippi now boasts more minority elected officials per capita than any other state.

I’ve scoured the back streets of Philadelphia, Mississippi, hunting down the half-hidden memorial to James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, three champions of the right to vote. They were slaughtered after being pulled over by Deputy Sheriff Cecil Price. I wondered why the memorial was not at the jail where they were detained with sinister intent. It would make a more noble witness to what an unrestrained government is capable of doing to humans.

These places moved me to my core. I cannot even imagine how profound the election of Barack Obama would be to me if I experienced the evil injustice of segregation as a target.  I deeply respect the overwhelming joy following the election, even if I cannot understand it in the same way.

But foul history does not excuse foul impropriety.

Electoral euphoria does not justify a racially tinged announcement by a superior, in the presence of the United States attorney general, to her subordinates.

Imagine if in March 2013, the new political leadership of the Civil Rights Division were to introduce Attorney General Jeff Sessions, refer to the portrait of President Mitch Daniels, and say: “What a relief it is to come to work every day and see we once again have two white men running the country.” Not only would the story be blasted on the front pages of the Washington Post, and rightfully so, but the person who made the statement would probably lose their job. At the very least, the attorney general would be sure to take the underling aside afterwards and make it unequivocally clear that such racially tinged comments are completely unacceptable.

Had this occurred at private business, the same Civil Rights Division would probably open an employment discrimination investigation into the conduct.

What are the chances that Attorney General Holder had that discussion with Loretta King?

I’ll bet next to none. But it is certainly something that now-Senator Sessions might ask Attorney General Holder next time an oversight hearing occurs. One thing is for sure — King’s power in the Civil Rights Division did not diminish after her comment. She was held out as the fair, unbiased, and competent civil servant who gave careful consideration to the New Black Panther case.

Despite the defendants waving a baton and yelling “you are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker,” Loretta King decided that a dismissal of nearly all of the case was the only available course of action. Alas, the worm has turned.

I stated on Fox News that it was clear to me that no cases against national racial minorities would issue from the Voting Section during this administration. Let’s hope they change their mind. I testified under oath today, because I had no choice, that those instructions were given by Deputy Assistant Attorney General (DAAG) Julie Fernandes.

My understanding of her instructions were that no cases would be brought against national racial minorities by the Voting Section, and if a U.S. Attorney wanted to bring one, it was up to them to do so. Of course, no U.S. attorney will wade into that sort of mess without the help of the experts in the Voting Section, and DAAG Fernandes would know that.

If the Department denies this occurred, then the public and the now-very-interested media should demand that the senior management of the Voting Section in 2009 be made to testify under oath to the United States Commission on Civil Rights. Of course this will never happen, because they know by now what the testimony would be.

This was not the first reckless and lawless instruction Julie Fernandes had given to the Voting Section. I will be writing in the future here at Pajamas Media about other ones that could directly affect the outcome of elections.

The Department has come under widespread criticism for the dismissal of the New Black Panther case, and for the fact that many within the Civil Rights Division are openly hostile to a race-neutral enforcement of civil rights laws. Notice that the Department has never once denied that widespread hostility exists throughout its ranks to bringing cases against national racial minorities. To do so would be futile, because so many people know it is true.

That doesn’t mean the Department of Justice can’t redeem itself.

The best thing that could happen from the ugly New Black Panthers dismissal and public revelation of the truth is for the Department to change course. The outrage I have heard in hundreds of emails and in calls from around the nation tell me Americans value equal enforcement of the law as much as they cherish the right to vote without men with weapons shouting racial slurs at them. Equality and the right to vote are sacred partners.

If these hearings prompt the Department to reconsider the institutional hostility to equal enforcement of voting laws, then it will be a great day for America. We will all be able to exhale and declare: “Thank goodness they finally followed the law.” If it took attention for them to change course, we can all agree the attention was good.

I actually believe Assistant Attorney General Tom Perez is the right man to do it. He inherited the mess of the New Black Panthers case from Steve Rosenbaum and Loretta King, two lifelong civil servants who should be forced by the attorney general to learn what it is like to find paying clients. Similarly, reckless instructions to the voting section by DAAG Julie Fernandes can still be reversed by Perez. Tom Perez, I believe, is a man who wants to do the right thing, even if we might disagree about particulars. And nothing could be more right and just than making it perfectly clear to everyone — through action, not a press release — that the Department is willing to enforce all the voting laws and protect all victims of racial discrimination.

I’ll be watching and reporting at Pajamas Media on a number of matters where perfect opportunities for redemption are within reach for Perez to undo the damage that Rosenbaum, King, and Fernandes have done to Obama’s vision of a Civil Rights Division committed to enforcing all of the laws with integrity.

So I started the conversation. It would be good if the Department of Justice did more than talk about a commitment to enforcing the Voting Rights Act in a race-neutral fashion.  America would prefer some action.

Your turn, General Holder.

J. Christian Adams is an election lawyer who served in the Voting Rights Section at the U.S. Department of Justice. His website is www.electionlawcenter.com."



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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 2:29pm
1. Right-wingers shout loudly about bogus story.

2. Fox News picks up bogus story, reports on it incessantly.

3. Right-wingers and Fox News start complaining that "liberal media" are ignoring bogus story.

4. Other outlets are shamed into covering bogus story, mini-frenzy ensues.

5. Pundits credit Fox News for "being ahead of the curve."

6. Responsible media outlets determine bogus story is bogus long after damage is done.

7. Repeat.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 2:48pm

Wow, I had no idea the following were fox affiliates...

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07rights.html - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07rights.html

 

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/07/2873836/panther-case-dismissal-needs-explanation.html - http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/07/2873836/panther-case-dismissal-needs-explanation.html

 

 

http://www.examiner.com/x-37739-NY-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d6-DOJ-race-related-corruption-may-be-cause-of-dropped-New-Black-Panther-voter-intimidation-case - http://www.examiner.com/x-37739-NY-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d6-DOJ-race-related-corruption-may-be-cause-of-dropped-New-Black-Panther-voter-intimidation-case

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/07/former-doj-attorney-alleges-lawlessness-in-civil-rights-division.html - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/07/former-doj-attorney-alleges-lawlessness-in-civil-rights-division.html

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Reverse-discrimination-in-New-Black-Panther-case-97891039.html - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Reverse-discrimination-in-New-Black-Panther-case-97891039.html

 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/6/black-panther-case-racism-rules/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/6/black-panther-case-racism-rules/

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html

 

http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=18299 - http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=18299

 

and fox canada... eh

 

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25073 - http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25073



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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 3:00pm
Everyone is a Fox affiliate, you cannot escape Rupert Murdoch.


Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 07 July 2010 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
I watched the video of the intimidation at the polling place. Which is a clear case of intimidation that mod98 won't acknowledge.
 
as he was claiming there wasn't sufficient evidence that this group (new black panthers) were out to intimidate white voters.
 
This video helps build the case that they are in fact racists, who are out to... well, he said it clearly enough himself on the video...


I did not acknowledge any intimidation because I did not see any. The first video just showed the two guys standing around while some guy with a camera phone asked questions that they clearly did not want to answer. I heard no threats and I did not see them do anything to anybody. It doesn't matter if they are racist whackos at a polling place. If they didn't actually do anything (according to the law, they have to at least attempt to intimidate voters), they can't be punished. That said, I wasn't there so maybe they did do something. However, until I see it myself on video or there is some other solid evidence, the accusations are unsubstantiated. Based on the background of that guy I'd say he probably did do something illegal that day but I haven't seen it yet.

Like it or not, people in this country are innocent until proven guilty. If all you know about this situation is what you've shared with me then I don't know why you're so convinced that you know exactly what went down that day. There was part of your last post where the guy claimed he was saying racist things to voters about being ruled by a black man or something. If that's true then I agree that he was intimidating voters but how do I know that actually happened? They'll need more than one person saying "well, he said <x, y, and z> to me" though if any action is to be taken here.

Don't be mistaken, I fully believe that he did intimidate voters based on the kind of person he is and the fact that he was there doing "security". However, I'm not going to go around proclaiming with the utmost certainty that he did it unless I'm sure of it. My problem is that I don't see how you're so sure he did it based on the evidence available to the public.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 08 July 2010 at 7:48am
 
maybe if you read any of the links I have provided... You would see what is the problem... Maybe not...
 
Any charge is "alleged" until convicted. By not showing up to court, the defendents automatically pled guilty... Until the charges were mysteriously dropped... after the case was won.
 
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Wow, I had no idea the following were fox affiliates...

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07rights.html - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/us/07rights.html

 

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/07/2873836/panther-case-dismissal-needs-explanation.html - http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/07/2873836/panther-case-dismissal-needs-explanation.html

 

 "Here's how a Justice Department complaint filed in January 2009 described those events:

Samir Shabazz, head of the http://topics.sacbee.com/Philadelphia/ - Philadelphia chapter of the New http://topics.sacbee.com/Black+Panther+Party/ - Black Panther Party, and party member http://topics.sacbee.com/Jerry+Jackson/ - Jerry Jackson were "deployed" in front of a Fairmount Avenue polling place in "military style uniforms."

Shabazz brandished a nightstick. He "pointed the weapon at individuals, menacingly tapped it (in) his other hand, or menacingly tapped it elsewhere." Both Shabazz and http://topics.sacbee.com/Jackson/ - Jackson leveled "racial threats and racial insults at both black and white individuals," and they "made menacing and intimidating gestures, statements and movements directed at individuals who were present to aid voters."

The two men, the party and its national chairman were named in the complaint. Since none responded, the case was all but won.

However, in May 2009, the Justice Department dropped claims against all but Shabazz, who was merely ordered not to take a weapon to a http://topics.sacbee.com/Philadelphia/ - Philadelphia polling place through 2012."



http://www.examiner.com/x-37739-NY-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d6-DOJ-race-related-corruption-may-be-cause-of-dropped-New-Black-Panther-voter-intimidation-case -

http://www.examiner.com/x-37739-NY-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d6-DOJ-race-related-corruption-may-be-cause-of-dropped-New-Black-Panther-voter-intimidation-case

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/07/former-doj-attorney-alleges-lawlessness-in-civil-rights-division.html - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/07/former-doj-attorney-alleges-lawlessness-in-civil-rights-division.html

 

" which is investigating the 2008 incident where two Black Panther members stood outside of a Philadelphia polling location allegedly yelling racial slurs while one of the men brandished a nightstick. "
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Reverse-discrimination-in-New-Black-Panther-case-97891039.html - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Reverse-discrimination-in-New-Black-Panther-case-97891039.html

 

"The evidence at hand in Philadelphia includes video of two thuggish African-American men dressed in military fatigues. As one wielded a baton in a menacing manner, they hurled racial slurs at white voters who understandably were scared away from the polling place. The Justice Department under President George W. Bush filed criminal charges against the two men. After Obama took office, default judgments resulted when the defendants failed to show for their trials. But Holder's Justice Department later dropped the charges following a plea deal in which one of the men agreed not to carry a weapon near the Philadelphia polling place until 2012. Both men are now free to intimidate voters again."


 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/6/black-panther-case-racism-rules/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/6/black-panther-case-racism-rules/

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html

 

"He says the administration used a racial double standard in deciding last year to drop the prosecution of the New Black Panther Party after members were videotaped in front of a Philadelphia polling place on Election Day 2008 dressed in military-style uniforms, brandishing a billy club and using racial slurs against voters. Mr. Adams says the career prosecutors who pursued the case did their job but were stymied by Obama political appointees, for whom he has harsh words: "To abandon law-abiding citizens and abet wrongdoers constitutes corruption," he told Fox News last week.

President Obama's Justice Department continues to stonewall inquiries about why it dropped the voter intimidation case, which Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and former publisher of the left-wing Village Voice, calls "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen." Mr. Bull and others witnessed one Black Panther pointing his billy club at voters and making racial threats. Mr. Bull says he heard one yell: "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!""

 
http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=18299 - http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=18299

 

and fox canada... eh

 

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25073 - http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25073

 
 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 08 July 2010 at 11:39am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Any charge is "alleged" until convicted. By not showing up to court, the defendents automatically pled guilty... Until the charges were mysteriously dropped... after the case was won.


This is what makes FE right in this specific instance.  The case was won, sentencing was in progress and then the case was dropped.  When you read through the information available on this situation (both from the provided links and other sources) the fact is the Panthers were found guilty of voter intimidation and the current government chose not to punish them.  While the reason could have been something simple and logical like new evidence that changed matters, to the best of my knowledge no reason of any kind was given. 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 09 July 2010 at 1:23pm
A reason was given very clearly in the congressional hearing this week...
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/08/mainstream-media-coverage-slim-nasa-black-panther-stories/?test=latestnews - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/08/mainstream-media-coverage-slim-nasa-black-panther-stories/?test=latestnews
 
"In the New Black Panther case, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is a year into its investigation and on Tuesday heard groundbreaking testimony from a former official who claims the Justice Department dropped it in part because it refuses to go after black defendants in civil rights cases. "
 
 
This justice department is racist plain and simple. They feel they can manipulate the law to whatever they want if it is white on black... But, black on white, gets a pass.
 
for example.
 
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Feast_bay&id=7545102 - http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Feast_bay&id=7545102
 
So, now in America, if the justice department doesn't like the verdict in a case... They can retry you for the same crime... I wonder if all the people arrested in the rioting after this verdict will be charged with "hate crimes"...
 
Oh, yeah, NO!
 
"The Civil Rights Division, the U.S. Attorney's Office, and the FBI have an open investigation into the fatal shooting and, at the conclusion of the state's prosecution, will conduct an independent review of the facts and circumstances to determine whether the evidence warrants federal prosecution."
 
 
 
so much for race relations moving forward with the election...
 
 
 
Nancy was just 9 months too early with this news conference...
 
 
oh, wait, she was talking about the tea party...
 
Not the new black panthers who just advocated killing cops...
 
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/07/09/imagine-if-conervative-had-said-it-child-and-cop-killer-edition - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/07/09/imagine-if-conervative-had-said-it-child-and-cop-killer-edition
 
 
hmm... riots...
 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/08/BAFL1EBKII.DTL&tsp=1 - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/08/BAFL1EBKII.DTL&tsp=1
 
"A boutique called Spoiled was spared. It had a sign outside and pictures of Oscar Grant with the words, "Do not destroy. Black owned. Black owned." "


 
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 09 July 2010 at 2:28pm
well... it looks like someone was listening to the leader of the new black panthers...
 
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/suspect-charged-in-officers-shooting-death.html - http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/suspect-charged-in-officers-shooting-death.html
 
 
"The 11-year police veteran was still in uniform in the facility's parking lot when Brewer approached him from behind and reached for the officer's weapon, according to police.

During a struggle, Brewer grabbed Soderberg's handgun and shot the officer, authorities said. Soderberg was shot three times--in the head, back, and face, said assistant state's attorney John Dillon, in the hearing before Ocasio. Brewer then crossed the street, weapon still in hand, and shot at Richard Mints, a contractor sitting on a nearby porch."


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 09 July 2010 at 3:55pm
Aaaaand now this....
 
 
 
 
I am speechless.
 
 


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 09 July 2010 at 4:08pm
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 July 2010 at 4:16pm
Whether you give a damn or not FE has provided the links and evidence to actually support his point regarding the DOJs actions being inappropriate and probably racially based.  (He has also provided valid information that supports his questions as to media bias regarding this specific issue.)

Although I will admit he was quite successful at hiding the stuff that applied/supported his position in amongst a whole bunch of non-applicable, rhetorical BS.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 09 July 2010 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:



Although I will admit he was quite successful at hiding the stuff that applied/supported his position in amongst a whole bunch of non-applicable, rhetorical BS.


Which is why I don't give a damn.

I read zero of his posts because they are far too long and full of nonsense.


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 July 2010 at 4:27pm
You have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff, call him on the BS and acknowledge the valid stuff.  While it can be a pain I do it because it exercises my critical thinking skills.

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 9:07am
Ohh, it's Glenn Beck... We can't watch that... Even if he is right on all of his points.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 9:20am
Well, the problem with that statement is, you're assuming that Glenn Beck is "right".

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 9:22am
Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Well, the problem with that statement is, you're assuming that Glenn Beck is "right".
 
Please enlighten me on all the points where he was incorrect.
 
Or in the next segment. Of course there must be glaring errors.
 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 9:25am
Naw, I can't watch Glenn. I'm trying to stay positive this morning.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 11:39am
Glenn Beck is not a reliable, factual source of information. You're beyond hope if you think he is.


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Ohh, it's Glenn Beck... We can't watch that... Even if he is right on all of his points.
 
 [TUBE]h35An_TffSs&feature=player_embedded#![/UBE]

He must not know that the cracker behind Acorn falsified tapes, wiretapped a US Senator, and edited things so that the tapes looked worse than they really were. Or he is purposefully ignoring that to make a point. Either way, his credibility is ruined right there.

The Obama administration should definitely articulate why they refused to prosecute the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, but most of what Beck was saying is useless bickering.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 4:38pm
ad hominem...
 
typical.
 
At least get your facts straight. James O'Keefe was convicted of a misdemeanor. For entering a federal building under false pretences (in other words undercover..., that is illegal if you are a conservative journalist now... oh wait, or covering the gulf... $40,000 fine and felony in those cases... So much for transparency)
 
There is no way to edit the acorn tapes to make things seem "worse" than they actually were... That outfit was the way to organize crime, at the taxpayers expense.
 
 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

There is no way to edit the acorn tapes to make things seem "worse" than they actually were... 
 

Because O'Keefe editing out the portions where he was telling the ACORN workers that he was rescuing the females from an abusive human trafficker and trying to set them up in a home wasn't manipulative. 




Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:



Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

<span Apple-style-span="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">There is no way to edit the acorn tapes to make things seem "worse" than they actually were... </span>
 
Because O'Keefe editing out the portions where he was telling the ACORN workers that he was rescuing the females from an abusive human trafficker and trying to set them up in a home wasn't manipulative. 

And the fact that he never wore a pimp costume to the offices.

As well as the fact that the guy who got fired for "helping" him smuggle in underage girls actually contacted his relative in the police force who then contacted the proper jurisdiction.

At least that guy, whos job it is to help people, got fired for trying to prevent underage girls from getting smuggled for sex.

And not to mention that an entire non governmental organization aimed at helping the poor rise from poverty got shut down. It's ok though because poor people in urban centers tend to vote democratic, we wouldn't want them advancing at all.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 13 July 2010 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

ad hominem...

Yes, what I posted is an ad hominem, and is not grounds for believing the contrary to what Glenn Beck purports.

However, his point was contingent on believing that the Obama administration was slow to respond, and responded incorrectly in the instances he cited. His premise regarding the Acorn scandal is false because of what Mbro and Whale pointed out. Thus, his argument is to be called into question. His credibility for that argument is therefore ruined.

Quote At least get your facts straight on your slander.

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 8:43am
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

There is no way to edit the acorn tapes to make things seem "worse" than they actually were... 
 

Because O'Keefe editing out the portions where he was telling the ACORN workers that he was rescuing the females from an abusive human trafficker and trying to set them up in a home wasn't manipulative. 


 
 
any video for air is edited. That is the nature of video "packages". You take the clips that are important you edit them together, and cut out all the boring stuff.
 
At least be intellectually honest, we all realize that video's are edited. Otherwise they are boring. As a culture we expect stuff to be edited so we can quickly get to the point.
 
 
The problem with your argument, besides it coming directly from media matters... Is that it is intellectually dishonest. We all realize that they would put together an intro... As the video's went on, the intro got more outrageous. I guess if you came late to the story... And missed all the first video's and started watching towards the end... You would think that he wore the pimp costume.
 
 
And this is typical of a leftist argument. Don't look at the crimes being advocated, ignore the blatent disregard for the law, and instead attack the person who pointed out the problem.
 
 
FIND A NEW TACTIC. Attacking the whistle blower is getting VERY tired. Hey, why don't you call him a racist too. oh wait.
 
But, anyone who watched the video's in the order they were released wouldn't make such a ridiculous assumption.
 
Here are all the video's
 
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=veritasvisuals#g/u - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=veritasvisuals#g/u
 
Here is one where they were told all kinds of ways to lie, as well as multiple ways to break laws, without being caught, including prostitution, money laundering. Notice what they are wearing in the beginning of the video...
 
Notice what they are wearing in the shots where his arm goes in front of the camera.
 
hmm. same outfit... Well, he must be a racist as he is wearing a WHITE shirt!
 
 
 
glad to see you guys paid attention to all of these video's back when I posted them...
 
 
Very typical, ignore the facts, and attack the person who points out the major corruption and lawlessness.
 
 
And this...
 
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:


And not to mention that an entire non governmental organization aimed at helping the poor rise from poverty got shut down. It's ok though because poor people in urban centers tend to vote democratic, we wouldn't want them advancing at all.
 
wow...


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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 8:46am
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:05am
 
Guess this representative gets his news from the same sources as you guys, he knew nothing about this story...
 
Present the facts, liberal ignores the facts, and makes up pretend "facts" then blames Bush...
 
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:22am
Everyone, let this thread die.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 10:54am
Of course, FE, nothing you typed there actually gave any sort of explanation as to why O'Keefe would cut out the multiple times he explained to the ACORN worker that he was going to be rescuing these girls from a violent pimp and human trafficker who abuses them, except for: 

Quote  any video for air is edited. That is the nature of video "packages". You take the clips that are important you edit them together, and cut out all the boring stuff.
 

That's fine, I'm well aware of the process of TV news posting video packs, but the problem is when "All the boring stuff" is actually the explanation as to why you are watching what you are watching then there is a problem. 

Especially when the part you cut out is you explaining to the poverty center worker multiple times that you are trying to rescue girls from an abusive pimp human trafficker. That seems like an important element of setting up sympathy that seems to be missing. Also the dubbing in of paraphrases. Also the dubbing in of things that were not said. Also leaving out the fact that the worker called a family member in law enforcement asking them what to do, and then having them contact the local police. 

But no, this is not manipulative. Not at all. 

I'm not saying that the ACORN worker should have been telling anyone how to launder money. 
 
However, thinking that the worker was doing it because she was a big fan of prostitution, and not because O'Keefe said repeatedly that he was rescuing violently abused prostitutes is daft when you watch the legit unedited video. 


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 11:07am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 That outfit was the way to organize crime, at the taxpayers expense. 

Oh, and I know this will get passed off as another example of Barney Hussien Fartbomba's Chicago thug politics or something, but: 

http://www.alternet.org/news/147248/acorn_totally_vindicated_of_all_wrongdoing_--_what_was_that_scandal_all_about/?page=entire - http://www.alternet.org/news/147248/acorn_totally_vindicated_of_all_wrongdoing_--_what_was_that_'scandal'_all_about/?page=entire

The GOA couldn't find any wrongdoing with the taxpayer's money.

Hopefully others here will read that at least. 

And not to triple post so I will just add this on the bottom of this post, but this one is on the topic of the thread itself: 

http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/07/12/bush-doj-decided-new-black-panthers-no-major-case/ - http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/07/12/bush-doj-decided-new-black-panthers-no-major-case/ - It was under Bush that the case against the Black Panthers was downgraded from criminal to civil.

I'm just now seeing this, but it has popped up in a few places. I've no other research about the date, so I'll look into it. 

Originally posted by The column The column wrote:

]This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.


Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 11:23am
This whole trend of 'make up news' if it is a boring day in the editors meeting is getting tiring. The "scandal" of the day during Bush started this 'feeding frenzie' for scandal and corruption. Now that Obama is in office a more hands off approach is more the norm in media.

That Black Panther video as well as the followup video's from the same individual should indicate who/what exactly is the racial problem. If it was two Klan members in front throwing racial comments and veiled threats bet the two Klansmen would be in Federal Prison and Jesse and AL would be railing against 'racism' still evident in today's America.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 11:27am
Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

 Now that Obama is in office a more hands off approach is more the norm in media.

Meanwhile we wade through "DOES OBAMA HATE GULF STATES FOR NOT REACTING QUICK ENOUGH?" stories like they did with Bush during Katrina. 

But no, kid gloves for Obama. Sure. 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Of course, FE, nothing you typed there actually gave any sort of explanation as to why O'Keefe would cut out the multiple times he explained to the ACORN worker that he was going to be rescuing these girls from a violent pimp and human trafficker who abuses them, except for: 

Quote  any video for air is edited. That is the nature of video "packages". You take the clips that are important you edit them together, and cut out all the boring stuff.
 

That's fine, I'm well aware of the process of TV news posting video packs, but the problem is when "All the boring stuff" is actually the explanation as to why you are watching what you are watching then there is a problem. 

Especially when the part you cut out is you explaining to the poverty center worker multiple times that you are trying to rescue girls from an abusive pimp human trafficker. That seems like an important element of setting up sympathy that seems to be missing. Also the dubbing in of paraphrases. Also the dubbing in of things that were not said. Also leaving out the fact that the worker called a family member in law enforcement asking them what to do, and then having them contact the local police. 

But no, this is not manipulative. Not at all. 

I'm not saying that the ACORN worker should have been telling anyone how to launder money. 
 
However, thinking that the worker was doing it because she was a big fan of prostitution, and not because O'Keefe said repeatedly that he was rescuing violently abused prostitutes is daft when you watch the legit unedited video. 
 
 
 
Look at my post again... I posted 1 video from the list. In that video go to 5:00 in...
 
 
Maybe it is just me, but he clearly states that they are doing this to get away from an abusive pimp, so your entire (media matters) argument is FALSE.
 
 
but, you would have to look at what I post to see it... Which you don't, because you have already made up your mind. (again proving your journalistic bias).


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 That outfit was the way to organize crime, at the taxpayers expense. 

Oh, and I know this will get passed off as another example of Barney Hussien Fartbomba's Chicago thug politics or something, but: 

http://www.alternet.org/news/147248/acorn_totally_vindicated_of_all_wrongdoing_--_what_was_that_scandal_all_about/?page=entire - http://www.alternet.org/news/147248/acorn_totally_vindicated_of_all_wrongdoing_--_what_was_that_'scandal'_all_about/?page=entire

The GOA couldn't find any wrongdoing with the taxpayer's money.

Hopefully others here will read that at least. 

And not to triple post so I will just add this on the bottom of this post, but this one is on the topic of the thread itself: 

http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/07/12/bush-doj-decided-new-black-panthers-no-major-case/ - http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/07/12/bush-doj-decided-new-black-panthers-no-major-case/ - It was under Bush that the case against the Black Panthers was downgraded from criminal to civil.

I'm just now seeing this, but it has popped up in a few places. I've no other research about the date, so I'll look into it. 

Originally posted by The column The column wrote:

]This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.
 
So trust them... The same people who loved acorn found nothing wrong. Reminds me of the IPCC report where they too found nothing wrong with anything they did. Or Obama looking at his handling of blago and finding "nothing was wrong". Or the oil spill, where the government did nothing wrong.
 
You may not see a pattern...
 
 
I love how you brought up yet another media matters lie.
 
Only the far left would spout off something like that, and yet you jump right onboard as usual.
 
I know you won't even read anything I post as usual, but here for anyone else who wants to see how easily you are manipulated into your "freedom of thought"... is a well presented dismissal of your media matters spin on this story.
 
http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2010/07/14/the-msm-playbook-to-suppress-story-leftist-media-attempts-to-swiftboat-doj-discrimination-scandal/ - http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2010/07/14/the-msm-playbook-to-suppress-story-leftist-media-attempts-to-swiftboat-doj-discrimination-scandal/
 
 


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 12:09pm
Two things: 

1) Editing it down to small mentions when that had been the key talking point is indeed manipulative.
2) For someone who cries "Personal attack!" all the time, you sure don't mind doing it yourself. 


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 
Oh, and I know this will get passed off as another example of Barney Hussien Fartbomba's Chicago thug politics or something, but: 

Hey look at that. I was right. 

I didn't post that link because I thought that it absolved Holder. I don't agree with his decision. I also don't live in OMG OUTRAGE land, so this wasn't an OMG OUTRAGE. I can disagree with something and think it wasn't the right thing to do in the situation and not be COMPLETELY OUTRAGED. 

For those of us who like to have rational, calm debates on here, it presents the side of the argument that Holder and his DOJ crew were not the only ones who thought the case against the New Black Panthers was a weak one. It introduces a new point to discuss. 

That's all. 

It's not some secret tactic. It's not brainwashing. It's not anything other than something new to discuss. 

Deep breath: Take one. 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 1:45pm
typical...
 
Ignore that you were completely wrong about the video (which you clearly never watched...) never saying that they were fleeing a violent pimp... When the video did show them saying that. And saying I didn't respond, except where I responded that you quoted...
 
Me right.
 
Ignore the facts that this case violates civil rights, and a push by the administration to promote a clear violation of law, and sets us back to the 60's... Where one racial segment gets a pass on any crime, and the other racial segment has no justice.
 
me right again.
 
And turn the entire discussion into another ad hominem attack about me.
 
In liberal land, that must mean you won!
 
congrats.
 
 


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 July 2010 at 2:27pm
Yes. That is exactly what I was typing. That's exactly what is going down. 

Exactly. 

You win the thread. 


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 July 2010 at 7:50am
 
 
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usccr.gov%2FNBPH%2F05-14-2010_NBPPhearing.pdf%23page%3D17 - https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usccr.gov%2FNBPH%2F05-14-2010_NBPPhearing.pdf%23page%3D17


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Posted By: ET500
Date Posted: 16 July 2010 at 6:52am
If the 'mythical' liberal media doesn't pick up on it, its b/c its not a very interesting story. Sure it say "Black Panther" in the title, but a few crazies, amongst thousands of crazies, don't warrant much interest. How many votes do you think they really influenced, come on, a handful. If you look harder, you'll find supreme court decisions that will affect millions of votes, but these topics are more difficult to understand as they don't have the knee jerk reaction of some misunderstood, and fairly powerless, group. I like that you want us to understand an important issue, but there are much more important issues for a whistleblower. Eric Tippmann


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 16 July 2010 at 7:41am
Welcome Eric
 
 
Oh, we discuss some doozies on here... Had a whole thread about the liberal activist supreme court nomination...
 
Which reminds me, I need to bring back up Obamacare since two states "high risk" plans were just outed as full funding of abortion... Guess that group of no abortion with government money, democrat holdouts feel real good about getting played by "the man".


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:11am
and more...
 
Looks like the NAACP defense fund was trying to use it's power to get the charges dismissed against the black panthers...
 
No wonder they called the tea party racist... good way to get this swept under the rug...
 
 
I love how they respond not by declaring the new black panther party racist, but that the NAACP legal defense fund is different than the NAACP...
 
hahahhahahhahhaha Nice spin racebaiters.
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/jul/14/naacp-direct-tie-black-panthers/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/jul/14/naacp-direct-tie-black-panthers/
 
 
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 8:55am
First step: realize you have a problem.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/16/AR2010071604081.html - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/16/AR2010071604081.html
 
"Thursday's Post reported about a growing controversy over the http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405880.html - Justice Department's decision to scale down a voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party . The story succinctly summarized the issues but left many readers with a question: What took you so long?

For months, readers have contacted the ombudsman wondering why The Post hasn't been covering the case. The calls increased recently after competitors such as the New York Times and the Associated Press wrote stories. Fox News and right-wing bloggers have been pumping the story. Liberal bloggers have countered, accusing them of trying to manufacture a scandal.

But The Post has been virtually silent."...

 
" The Post didn't cover it. Indeed, until Thursday's story, The Post had written no news stories about the controversy this year. In 2009, there were passing references to it in only three stories.

That's prompted many readers to accuse The Post of a double standard. Royal S. Dellinger of Olney said that if the controversy had involved Bush administration Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, "Lord, there'd have been editorials and stories, and it would go on for months."

To be sure, ideology and party politics are at play. Liberal bloggers have accused Adams of being a right-wing activist (he insisted to me Friday that his sole motivation is applying civil rights laws in a race-neutral way). Conservatives appointed during the Bush administration control a majority of the civil rights commission's board. And Fox News has used interviews with Adams to push the story. Sarah Palin has weighed in via Twitter, urging followers to watch Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly's coverage because "her revelations leave Left steaming."

The Post should never base coverage decisions on ideology, nor should it feel obligated to order stories simply because of blogosphere chatter from the right or the left.

But in this case, coverage is justified because it's a controversy that screams for clarity that The Post should provide. If Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and his department are not colorblind in enforcing civil rights laws, they should be nailed. If the Commission on Civil Rights' investigation is purely partisan, that should be revealed. If Adams is pursuing a right-wing agenda, he should be exposed.

National Editor Kevin Merida, who termed the controversy "significant," said he wished The Post had written about it sooner. The delay was a result of limited staffing and a heavy volume of other news on the Justice Department beat, he said. "

 
 
 
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 9:07am
What about the KKK thread?

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 9:09am
FE, you should just start a blog or something instead of using the forum as your political blog.

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 September 2010 at 11:14am

WRA WRO!

 
(What is it Scoobie?... Do you see a problem with the DOJ?)
 
Wray Wried!
 
"Who lied, Scoobie?"
 
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/proof-new-records-show-doj-lied-about-new-black-panther-dismissal/ - http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/proof-new-records-show-doj-lied-about-new-black-panther-dismissal/
 

"Judicial Watch made an explosive announcement today about the Justice Department’s stonewalling in the New Black Panther voter intimidation case dismissal. Forced to bring a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit after DOJ rebuffed its public records request (so much for transparency), Judicial Watch obtained a privilege log from the DOJ last week.

It shows — in a rather dramatic way — that the DOJ has been untruthful about who was involved in the dismissal of the case.

In July, I complied with a subpoena and provided testimony to the United States Commission on Civil Rights. I did so in part because inaccurate statements had been made about the case by DOJ officials. Some of these statements falsely claimed that ethical rules mandated the dismissal of the charges against the New Black Panthers. This was nonsense.

But the real whopper? DOJ’s claim — repeated over and over again — that career civil servants were wholly responsible for the spiking of the case.

Today we learn, from the Department’s own records, that this claim is demonstrably false.

The privilege log produced in the FOIA litigation contains stunning entries. They show regular discussions and deliberations between the highest political officials inside the DOJ, including the deputy attorney general and the associate attorney general, about what to do with the case. This contradicts numerous statements made to Congress, the Civil Rights Commission, and to the public.

Some of these statements were under oath.

For example: on May 10, 2009, the third highest-ranking official inside the DOJ — Associate Attorney General Tom Perrelli — emailed Sam Hirsch, one of his deputies:

Where are we on the Black Panther case?

The description of the email contains a bombshell:

asking for update on the NBPP litigation between officials in the [Associate’s office] and noting the [deputy attorney general’s] current thoughts on the case.

The deputy attorney general is the second highest-ranking official in the Department. The use of the term “current thoughts” infers that there were prior thoughts and ongoing discussions with the second highest-ranking political official at DOJ about how to handle the case.

Further, the logs show dozens of communications between senior DOJ political officials in the two weeks prior to the dismissal of the case.

Congress and the public have been told — for over a year — that the dismissal of the New Black Panther case resulted from nothing more than a dispute between lowly career civil servants. Lapdog reporters have repeated this lie, if they even covered the case at all. The documents uncovered by Judicial Watch expose the ruse.

Rarely in our nation’s history have officials in the Department of Justice engaged in a dishonest misinformation campaign to Congress, the public, and other fact-finding tribunals. Thankfully, these few episodes have been confined to the darkest and most corrupt eras of the republic."

 
Anyone want to bet which media outlet trumpets this news?
 
And will the network news ignore this little tidbit as well?
 
http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/us-government-hiding-true-amount-of-debt/story-e6frfkur-1225926567256#ixzz106MjZzOz - http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/us-government-hiding-true-amount-of-debt/story-e6frfkur-1225926567256#ixzz106MjZzOz
 

THE actual figure of the US' national debt is much higher than the official sum of $US13.4 trillion ($14.3 trillion) given by the Congressional Budget Office, according to analysts cited on Sunday by the New York Post.

"The Government is lying about the amount of debt. It is engaging in Enron accounting," said Laurence Kotlikoff, an economist at Boston University and co-author of The Coming Generational Storm: What You Need to Know about America's Economic Future.

"The problem is we're seeing an explosion in spending," added Andrew Moylan, director of government affairs for the National Taxpayers Union."



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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 September 2010 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by ET500 ET500 wrote:

. . . a few crazies, amongst thousands of crazies, don't warrant much interest. . . .
. . . unless the media is covering the TEA Party.

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 21 September 2010 at 3:17pm
So Mack, the tea party is just a bunch of crazies?

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 September 2010 at 4:16pm
No, but it definitely has its share.  (I am semi-proud of my state on this issue right now.  One of the TEA party officers here got relieved for making disparaging comments towards the gay community in either a blog or an e-mail.  I'd feel better if they'd kicked him out entirely but that may be too high a standard to meet.  After all loser Dems and Pubs are still members of their respective parties even after they get chastised.)

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 22 September 2010 at 10:19am
Let us look at the individuals that the DOJ dropped charges against...
 
First is King Samir we have all seen his hate filled tirades against "white" Americans.
 
King Samir beat a man so severly with a stick in 1995 that he changes his name to the current "king" moniker. (real name Maruse Heath)
 
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=55095929 - http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=55095929
 
 
Oh, lookie, he brandishes firearms... Isn't that illegal for felons?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/3674314250/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/3674314250/
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/3674314292/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/3674314292/
 
Jerry Jackson, Democratic precinct committeeman. ( http://www.electionjournal.org/2010/05/18/only-in-philly-black-panther-on-the-ballot/ - http://www.electionjournal.org/2010/05/18/only-in-philly-black-panther-on-the-ballot/  )
 
Here we have a convicted felon, ( http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=55096177 - http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=55096177  ) who is brandishing firearms (illegally) but the justice department is ignoring this... Because clearly he is above the law (19 U.S.C. 922 ) and a honored member of the democratic party.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/5012660074 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/5012660074
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/5012056921 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/electionjournal/5012056921
 
 
 


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