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Topic: Who is responsible?

Posted By: choopie911
Subject: Who is responsible?
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 2:42am

So I had to do this at work today, sort of an ice-breaking debate exercise thing, but still pretty interesting to see how into it people can get, and the different answers people get. I'm curious to see if the forum can agree on who is the most responsible:

a question wrote:

As he left for a visit to his outlying districts, the jealous Baron warned his pretty wife: "Do not leave the castle while I am gone, or I will punish you severely when I return!"

But as the hours passed, the young Baroness grew lonely, and despite her husband's warning, decided to visit her lover who lived in the country side nearby.
The castle was located on an island in a wide, fast flowing river, with a drawbridge linking the island to the land at the narrowest point in the river.

"Surely my husband will not return before dawn," she thought, and ordered her servants to lower the drawbridge and leave it down until she returned. After spending several pleasant hours with her lover, the Baroness returned to the drawbridge--only to find it blocked by a madman wildly waving a long and cruel knife.

"Do not attempt to cross the bridge, Baroness, or I will kill you," he raved.

Fearing for her life, the Baroness returned to her lover and asked him to help.
"Our relationship is only a romantic one," he said, "I will not help."

The Baroness then sought out a boatman on the river, explained her plight to him, and asked him to take her across the river in his boat.

"I will do it, but only if you can pay my fee of five Marks."

"But I have no money with me!" the Baroness protested.

"That is too bad. No money, no ride," the boatman said flatly.

Her fear growing, the Baroness ran crying to the home of a friend, and after explaining the situation, begged for enough money to pay the boatman his fee.

"If you had not disobeyed your husband, this would not have happened," the friend said. "I will give you no money."

With dawn approaching and her last resource exhausted, the Baroness returned to the bridge in desperation, attempted to cross to the castle, and was slain by the madman.

So who is responsible for the death of the baroness, from 1 to 6; The Baron, the baroness, the lover, the friend, the boatman, or the madman.

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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 3:45am

the madman
the lover
the baroness
the friend
the boatman
The Baron

Simply because the madman actually killed her.
The Lover, because if you gonna tap it, you shoudl take some responsibility.No one likes a loser lover. Step up man.
The Baroness, because it is a direct result of her actions. She should have stayed in the castle, or just stayed out all night and taken her lumps when the baron came home.
The friend, because they didn't force her to go to the madman, she could have spent the night with them. They are lame for not giving her money, and I'd probably have written them off as a friend, but still :P
The boatman because why should he give out charity?
The Baron, cause what did he have to do with the story again?

KBK

Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 3:51am

I have done this too. I hated it because there is no real answer. It really depends on if you look at cold hard facts or you think sympathetically.
1) Madman (because he actually killed her)
2)Baroness (this is where it gets sympathetic)
3)Lover
4)Boatman
5)Friend
6)Baron (if listened to, this would have never happened)

Kayback, the Baron could be at fault for being a horrible husband and the wife having to find a lover to treat her better.

Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 4:04am

Robocop, yeah I got that, but the same with most of these things, there isn't enough information to go on. Did he actually beat her? (physical abuse), was he just threatening her? (Mental abuse), did he know there was a madman on the loose and wanted to protect her, but chose the wrong method (ultimately wanting to protect her).....

"Punishing" her might mean not giving her jewels, or taking her jewels away. Or getting rid of her hand-dog.

There are many cases where what he said could be construed as non physical abuse, meaning she left the castle for no real reason besides being young and dumb.

I'd still rank him last.

KBK

Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 4:28am

1. The madman - He literally killed her.

2. The Baroness - She put herself in a bad situation

3. The Lover - Needs to grow up and get over himself.

4. The Friend - True friends do anything in their power to help a real friend in need.

5. The Husband - Be a better husband, then maybe your wife won't run off to another man.

6. The Boatman - The boatman has to make a living for himself.

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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 4:36am

__sneaky__ wrote:

1. The madman - He literally killed her.

2. The Baroness - She put herself in a bad situation

3. The Lover - Needs to grow up and get over himself.

4. The Friend - True friends do anything in their power to help a real friend in need.

5. The Husband - Be a better husband, then maybe your wife won't run off to another man.

6. The Boatman - The boatman has to make a living for himself.

I agree because it wasn't the boatman's fault that the baroness went out of the castle and she should have to pay him for his services.

Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 4:43am

Rofl_Mao wrote:

__sneaky__ wrote:

6. The Boatman - The boatman has to make a living for himself.

I agree because it wasn't the boatman's fault that the baroness went out of the castle and she should have to pay him for his services.

But she was a skanky ho and could have offered other payment. IF she wasn't a skanky ho, and was a better wife, she wouldn't have left the castle against her husbands wishes.

I'd still rank the Husband last.

KBK

Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 6:13am

__sneaky__ wrote:

1. The madman - He literally killed her.

2. The Baroness - She put herself in a bad situation

3. The Lover - Needs to grow up and get over himself.

4. The Friend - True friends do anything in their power to help a real friend in need.

5. The Husband - Be a better husband, then maybe your wife won't run off to another man.

6. The Boatman - The boatman has to make a living for himself.

Agreed fully.

The Baroness agreed to her husband's jealous demands. If she refused, she wouldn't have been in this plight.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 6:18am

Obviously it was big governments fault.

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 7:18am

Gatyr wrote:

Obviously it was big governments fault.

I was going to agree with kayback... Then I saw ^.

I blame the grubment too.

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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 9:02am

Col. Mustard

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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 1:23pm

1. Madman, as he did the killing.
2. Baroness. She brought the whole situation on her self AND was a cheating wench.
3. Lover, for not protecting someone he was romantically involved with.
4. Friend for not helping a friend in danger.

The boatman is innocent, as he is not a charity organization.

The Baron MAY be guilty, as it's not proven one way or the other if the madman was at the drawbridge on his order. Either way, he warned her.

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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 3:40pm

Technically the madman is at fault for her death, but the baroness is stupid.

If someone tells you will die if you do something, and decide to do it...

Chalk this one up as a win in the Natural Selection category.

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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 4:56pm

MeanMan wrote:

Technically the madman is at fault for her death, but the baroness is stupid.

If someone tells you will die if you do something, and decide to do it...

Chalk this one up as a win in the Natural Selection category.

I thought about this as well, whether or nor to put the baroness first or second, but the madman had a choice whether or not to kill her, so I put him first.

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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 29 June 2010 at 5:05pm

#1 person to blame is the Baroness. She didn't listen, even though the end result was something bad. It her fault she is a floozy. Now the mad man on the other hand, while he did commit the actual murder here who is to say that he isn't Clinicly insane? Therefor not responsible for his actions.

Either way if the wench had have just stayed in the Kitchen preparing a mean feast for her man like it says in the bible(It is in there somewhere) Then all of this could have been avoided.

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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 05 July 2010 at 10:31pm

I'd immediately blame the jews.

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 06 July 2010 at 12:16am

The blame in this scenario rests entirely on a single person: President Obama.

(I really can't believe no one else said it.)

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 06 July 2010 at 8:25pm

Obviously it wasnt this Baroness. Doubt that Mad Man could beat getting Akimbo MAC10'ed

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