Why does it even exist?
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Topic: Why does it even exist?
Posted By: Apu
Subject: Why does it even exist?
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 2:20pm
| I can't help but wonder, why on earth we have a forum filter. Considering it was given a rehaul to change words from this: soggy - s***y, to: soggy - **edited**. Why should people get their posts edited and striked for this. I mean, didn't Jason change the filter like this for a reason? So we can, I don't know....actually use it? It makes no sense to change **edited** to <wet> and strike the person. Why don't we just get rid of the filter, I mean if he actually went through the trouble to make it forum appropriate, yet we're still not allowed to use it. It just seems like this update was done for a reason. |
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 2:59pm
| Wouldn't it be all-together easier to not curse? |
Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:05pm
| Sure it would. I don't care whether people curse or not, as i'm not referring to myself, but posts i've read over the years, it just seems silly. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:13pm
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I agree, I don't understand handing out strikes for filtered words. Filter dodges I get, filtered words notsomuch.
Of course, I'm not whining, I mean, as Whale said, you can just not curse, but then again it does kind of defeat the purpose of filtering.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:16pm
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I always assumed that the strikes and the filtering were essentially two different things. I.e. profanity is prohibited by the forum rules so the strike is for attempting to ignore the rule and the filtering is to protect the rest of us from the profanity. Think of it this way; I try to hurt someone (which is against the law) and the cops (forum filter) stops me from breaking the law. Just because I was unsuccessful does not mean I won't be charged. ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:17pm
Not necessarily. The company might not want cursing being present - and able to be seen - on their web boards. The filter keeps people from reading it, the mods delete it completely and hand out the proper reprimands.
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stratoaxe wrote:Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:18pm
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^^^ Yeah . . . . . . wait a minute . . . . . . that's what I said. -------------
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Posted By: Magoo
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:18pm
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^^^ That's kind of what I was thinking. Edit: Y'all are quick. Well, I agree with the both of ya. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:19pm
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^^^ That I had just said the same thing?
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Posted By: Magoo
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:20pm
| Jeez, people. Y'all have itchy typer fingers. Check the edit... |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:21pm
Late edit = fail. 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:22pm
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Fair enough, that makes sense.
I stand corrected.
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:32pm
| Still seems a bit silly to me.. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 3:54pm
This. After all, when we replace a curse word with a non-curse word, ie: "That's effing stupid" or "That's a load of BS" we're doing nothing more than what the filter is doing in preventing the actual word which we're using from being seen by others. We're just doing it manually. The intent is still there. So does that mean we should get strikes for saying "Awww shoot" instead of "Aww **edited**?" Furthermore, it is my understanding that mods cannot tell if the post is self-edited or if the filter caught a word, which means that it's complete speculation in many cases as to whether a word was actually edited by the forum or self-edited by the user. In fact, just last night I had a conversation with another member of this forum about whether I should post the following, and you know what. Against my better judgement, I'm going to. The thread about the two officers being killed in FL during a traffic stop had this in it:
It was responded to by USAF with:
(note, this is EXACTLY how it appeared on screen, there was no attempt at a filter dodge, and again, mods can't tell if it was self edited or caught by the filter) This was then changed to the following by Ruska:
And this is my response. Quite frankly, I think USAF was totally justified. Not only that, but the filter ensures that his language is clean. Impulse was, is, and always will be a recurring cancer on this forum. Besides, when will the mods finally get over the use of **edited** vs saying "fudge" "fark" "frikken" etc. The forum auto-edits for a reason, it's not like USAF was dodging the filter or anything. That I could understand, but strikes and threats of strikes for language when no language is actually seen on the page? Heck, **edited** is cleaner than half the stuff that is said on this forum anyway. Just seems silly to me. That said, I never have, nor ever will understand how the mods let Impulse get away with half the crap that he has. He intentionally trolls, only ever makes statements to troll or statements that, quite frankly, aren't "family friendly" which is the very same reason that the mods have come up with to justify giving strikes when someone filter dodges or, as in USAF's case, uses a word which is auto-edited anyway. I find it hard to see how a known troll can get away with being a cancer to our community, but using the built-in language control features of this forum will get you a strike and even guested. I know there's a reason that every time my name is thrown into the ring for mod status that it gets shot down. It's because I'm given a strike about once a year and probably because I've written enough scathing PMs to mods over the way they've handled situations in the past. The fact of the matter is that some of the mods on this forum have their favorites and seem to like to play games with who they'll dole out strikes to, and who they'll let slide even though their behavior is far from "family friendly." The fact of the matter is that the rules that were set down on what was a strike and what isn't are flawed. For some reason we let trolls run free, letting them bait others simply to start flame wars and then punish those that fall for it. I honestly believe that most of the offenses on this forum wouldn't even be committed if the mods simply put an end to the trolling from people like Impulse and (thank God he's not around anymore) Dune. Seriously, trolling has every bit as much of a bad effect on the behavior and perception of this forum as any form of foul language, if not more. So can anyone tell me why the mods allow it to continue? Give me one good reason why we should allow it. Seriously, one good reason. The fact of the matter is that you can't give me a GOOD reason. You can quip about free speech and freedom of opinions all you want, but you can tell when someone is trolling, hell, we all can. There's a difference between FE and OS ranting about Obama and Impulse's baiting about how impressive killing two officers of the law is. That's not even mentioning how he likes to launch personal attacks on people whenever he can. He's a cancer, a pariah, and quite frankly, worse for the reputation of this forum than any other member that is currently active. Yet you mods continually choose to give strikes for lesser offenses, as if somehow trolling is cute to you. It's a load of BS and you know it. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 4:08pm
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Tallen be comin down hard on Impulse yo. ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: Magoo
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 4:16pm
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He does deserve it... On my end, I agree with tallen. All or nothing, as it were. Either start cracking down on the whole "effin', farkin', etc." or don't worry about **edited**. <--- Manually written. As an aside, where did that <poopy> head Rambino go? |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 4:17pm
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Tallen, obviously me saying "**edited** you" to impulse is much less family friendly than him advocating(or at least making a mockery of) killing cops. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 4:20pm
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who says he was making a mockery of killing cops. Hell I thought it was pretty impressive that he was able to kill both. I thought atleast one of them would be able to do something about it once the first shot got off. Apparently not. I guess my expectations of cops abilities are a little two high. ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 4:24pm
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Now thats not to say that I don't think that is a horrible situation and I feel deeply for the families of those officers. ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 5:29pm
| There seems to be a major misconception here that the moderators are the ones making all of these rules. |
Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 5:40pm
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You could say the same about strikes. How many members here are using their first and only account? Yet when it's obvious who they are it's kosher. The mods know they've been guested yet nothing is done. I'm not bothered in the slightest I just thought I'd throw it out there. End of the day we're all big boys. We know when we've crossed the line and the mods need to have something tangible to show they are dealing with the potty mouths. |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 5:45pm
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Jason hasn't been apart of this forum for years
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 5:51pm
See my join date? Even before then I was on the original "mother" and then Ol' Blue with the same login from almost the get-go of the forum's existence. And Whale, after discussing these kinds of situations with moderators past and present, Tippmann didn't set down many rules. From what I understand, the commandments from Tippmann Inc were along the lines of "keep it family friendly" and that was about it. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 5:55pm
Jason's last login is 12/8/2005 btw. You know... in case anyone was wondering. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 5:57pm
And funny enough, cursing is not considered in most circles to be family friendly.
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:04pm
"How many members here are using their first and only account?" Mis-spoken on my part. I'll rephrase. We all know a few current members have been gusted in the past yet we don't give a hoot. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:08pm
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Or guested two or three times.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:16pm
And at no point do I advocate open cursing, what I do point out is the incongruence between the rules put forth by our moderator group. That there seems to be a disconnect between some 13 year old kid seeing "**edited**" on their screen and seeing "effing" the fact of the matter is that if that child hasn't been exposed to cursing then he's not going to know what either of those mean. The disconnect within the moderator group concerning the filter is, at best, silly, and at worst, proof that the priorities within their governing consciousness are completely out of whack. The filter was put in place to prevent the full-on written-out curse word from making its way to the computer screens of others. The reason a filter-dodge is an offense is that they are specifically circumventing that safety measure in an effort to ensure that their egregious words can be seen by all. That is understandable as perfectly strike-worthy. However, threatening or even giving a strike when the filter has done its job is overstepping the spirit of the law as it were. The filter did it's job, cursing was prevented from happening on screens of 13 year old kids the world over, and that's that. The fact of the matter is that intent is clearly not the deciding factor for the moderators of this forum because if it was, then the incessant trolling done by certain members of this forum would have had their accounts guested time after time after time because while their language was within the technical bounds of "good taste" their intent certainly is not. That's the problem here. The ambiguity of whether it is intent or action that garners punishment is the problem, not that cussing isn't polite. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:36pm
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I got a strike for saying "the B word" because some kid complained to Reb. I don't even think its filtered, nor do I think its banned from TV, yet it was strikeable. Go figure.
(First and only strike btw, and still on my first account.) Yet Ruska can edit a post and say thet he likes a title so he won't stike the person? Well I didn't have a title so I suppose that doesn't apply to me. Its kind of all a big joke really. I just find other words to use, even though the filter is there to protect us from getting strikes. Or something. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:43pm
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If you want to add to the irony, I hate my title.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:44pm
I guess we'll just have agree to disagree here, because I don't see it as a wide-sweeping problem. It seems simple to me: Don't curse. The filter is to prevent people from getting cursing on the forum, but cursing is still against the rules. Don't type in the words the filter uses. Thems the rules. Trolling is not against the rules because there is almost no way to properly prove it or enforce it fairly. I don't see a difference between what you are saying Impulse does and what OS/FE does. It's posting things simply to get a response. It's pure to its name: Trolling for bites. Trolls can be ignored. USAF chose not to do that and was disciplined thusly. If you're going to want a wide-sweeping anti-troll movement, then OS/FE should go out with the bath water.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:48pm
| We've not had this big of a case of the Internet being Serious Business in a long while. |
Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 6:49pm
| I think Tallen just needs a cookie and a nap. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 7:00pm
I am. (If you don't count the account under the name "Mac" that disappeared with one of the forum changes when all of a sudden account names were a minimum of four letters.) -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 8:19pm
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Poop, pee, crude word for gaining carnal knowledge, extraodrinarily obscene word for vagina, one who copulates with one's mother, one whose mouth has an affinity for phalluses, LOL boobs.
</Carlin> ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 8:21pm
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3rd account... But I've calmed down somewhat ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 8:44pm
Never guested, all real posts son. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 8:47pm
Well, I wouldn't go that far Choop, I mean to call all of your posts real I'm sure there's been some fluff in there somewhere....  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 8:55pm
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1st account. More realz than ch00p.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 9:28pm
2nd. I deserved it though.  ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 9:52pm
All I'm saying is that now I've hit Post Reply 28730 times, more than anyone else on here 
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Posted By: Impulse.
Date Posted: 30 June 2010 at 10:00pm
But I am flattered Tallen, thanks for admitting I get a rise out of you.
(Time to go find a car thread) ------------- [IMG]http://www.word-detective.com/berry.gif"> |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 12:57am
Iv kinda noticed that too. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 1:56am
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I've never been guested, and I've only had two strikes. One was just me being a silly noob, the other not sure about. Overall, I've never felt like the mods were breathing down my shoulder to make sure I didn't post anything inappropriate. Bearing in mind that this is the forum for a large, family oriented company, I'd say the conversation (in T&O at least) is fairly open.
Of course, the rules have changed a few times, but I'm pretty sure the mods openly explained it before they did. For instance, the aforementioned "B" word dispute. At one time the rules were simply "If you see it on an episode of Family Guy...", but then the problems arose from the discriminatory nature of some of our convos, so the "B" word and using other terms for homosexuals were banned. In fact, if I remember correctly, for a while "gay" was a filtered word.
The only words that I've seen any kind of variation on as far as strikes go are abbreviations. I've seen plenty of people use the dubya tee abbreviations and get away with it, then I've seen some people get strikes for it. In fact, lots of abbreviations containing "F" are used with various results, myself included.
Again, going back to Whale's srs buisness
 , I'd say overall most of the enforcement here in the forum is less about offending someone, and more about maturity. If I had deal with people throwing down F bombs and the C word ever third sentence, I wouldn't log back on. Keeping the language down keeps the conversation intelligent.Without language moderation, the Interwebz de-evolve into the YouTube comments section. *shudders*
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 1:59am
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It's far too easy to bypass the filter btw. For instance "wtf" was added to the filter years ago and ever since my aim screen name has been b0rk3d. Thanks, mods, that was possibly the most pointless addition to the filter.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:52am
Ah, but cursing and filter dodging are two different things. I've picked up a warning before for filter dodging when I wasn't. I was running headlong into it at full tilt. I can't remember what the topic was, but I was totally venting my spleen, using the filter to take out the nasty words and replace them with **EDITED**. I wasn't dodging, I was RELYING on the filter. It wasn't a warning for cursing, it was a warning for "dodging the filter". There are times and places when a good curse can be an effective part of the message, but like I found in another topic, some idiotic words that aren't curses are filtered. Like **EDITED**. The filter dodge is doing it's job, overly effective in some cases. But how or why is that any reason for handing out language strikes? If the filter is working, I haven't actually comitted an offence, it got filtered. As for your honestly silly statement about "trolls can be ignored" well so can curses. Just don't read them, or don't let them effect you. When someone says something that cuts to the quick about people or professions we hold dear, we should just "skip over it" and not respond, because we'll get disciplined. GREAT way to run a forum. Treat the guys posting evocative statements with kid gloves, and hammer down the guys posting an emotive response. KBK |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 10:37am
Also, Tallen, I remember when you flipped out on Dune, and I still don't understand what you had against him. Whether or not you agreed with him is beside the point. I always thought he made intelligent posts, political views aside. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 11:49am
It's worked so far here.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 12:16pm
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 12:21pm
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:15pm
The USSR lasted 70 years...... Seriously, I'm not arguing the language filter, I'm arguing the warning for letting the filter do it's damn job, especially when no punishment is metered out for quite blatantly circumventing it. There are many words that can be used that won't trip the filter, or be warned about, which are much more specific than **EDITED** is. KBK |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:27pm
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I think Kayback, Apu, and I are definitely running on the same wavelength here. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:29pm
Technically, this is my first account. However, my post count should be WAY closer to 20,000... Hmm... I wonder how graphic of a post I can make without dodging the filter... and if I'd get in trouble for it? ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:31pm
I'm OK being the dissenting vote.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:35pm
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:37pm
There is one in every family. Or "one out of 4 people are mentally unstable. Look at 3 of your mates. If it isn't one of them, I have bad new for you" - Anon. ;) KBK |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:43pm
It was the fact that he implied I was racist. I think that's the post where I said the world would have been better off if his dad had gotten a vasectomy. http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=177779&KW=Dune&PN=1 - Original thread can be seen here http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=177798&KW=Dune&PN=1 - Fallout can be seen here That wasn't Dune's first falling out with me though. Just the culmination. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:45pm
I thought you and Ruth Bader Ginsburg looked a lot alike.... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 2:50pm
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The funny thing was I agreed with Dune. Not in the sense of calling you racist. That wasn't called for. But neither was your response. Just in the sense that during the elections you were incorrect about a lot, a lot of things. But that is history now. |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 3:31pm
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First account, all real posts
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 4:19pm
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I have three accounts. ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 5:04pm
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I had to go check out the Dune/Tallen thing. Dune was way out of line on the racist thing but I think Ace-of-Spades summed it up nicely with the following statement: "meh, the only reason you got a strike is because Dune was making a final ditch effort to have some little inconvenience put on you for the man-handling you gave him." Edit: Frankly Dune's statement that set everything in motion came across just like the people I had to deal with that assumed that I was racist since I'm Caucasian and didn't vote for President Obama. (They would never give me a straight answer when I responded by asking if African Americans who didn't vote for McCain were racist also.) -------------
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 5:57pm
I love how this just devolves into a battle about spelling mistakes... Pro Debating skillz ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 12:33am
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I don't think I've ever seen such a popular dissenting opinion on Tallen. My opinion: as stupid as some rules are, they are their to be followed. If we don't like the rules sett forth, we have every available option to go some where else. The forum is a privilege, and while most of the rules here may be moronic or infantile, they are not difficult to be followed. And this is my first, and only account, since old red. Rules aside, I appreciate my time and the ability to communicate with the other members here. This appreciation makes me stay honest and respectful of the rules for this forum. I do however agree with the original notion of how silly the idea of handing out reprimand for a filtered word is.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 12:36am
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 1:03am
Give this man a cookie. STAT! Which is what puzzles me really, that as spelled out as the whole thing was in my rant as well as in several other posts by people like Kayback et al, some people still think the argument is about cursing or rules. The argument isn't that we should be allowed to curse, the argument is that the moderation of the board has become, at best, a hit or miss situation worthy of a game of battleship. At its worst, it's become a nepotistic system where 'insiders' are given a free pass to commit acts which would get the most junior members of this form almost definite strikes. And I'm not even talking about the warnings that are given out to people if they keep their noses clean for a long time and then link to something that has foul language. I'm talking about the fact that leniency is given to certain members of this forum repeatedly despite the fact that their clear intent is to cause discord and see how far they can bend the rules. It's as if the mods consider these people to be the friend you keep around just to see what they'll do next, or the friend you keep around because something interesting will always happen when they're on board. I just find it silly and quite frankly, ineffective for the mods to hand out strikes over something as stupid as the language filter doing its job while letting people get away with "wrong forum N00b!" whenever someone posts a topic in T&O that is paintball related. It's a goddamned paintball forum. That kind of behavior is counter productive and against EVERYTHING that Tippmann would want to see on this forum. But they're allowed to get away with it. Hell, they even encourage it, and it goes unpunished while the word '**edited**' showing up on the screen will get an edit from a mod and possibly a strike depending on who you are. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 1:08am
Pretty much sums up my thoughts. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 9:20pm
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My ears were ringing. And no, I am not FE. Just been busy changing careers and moving a lot. In addition to getting married. Man that was a long time ago. From what I remember and have continued to see, Tallen virtually always follows forum rules. In fact, I believe our dispute to be the one time I saw him "break" the rules. I'm suprised to see it pop back up actually.
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 10:23pm
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Can we bring back strikes for people that just quote and don't add to the convo? I have been guilty if t in the past probably but it annoys the *bijeezus* out of me. |
Posted By: The Batman
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 10:27pm
Name all three or I will unleash the Bat BanHammer... ------------- Everyone's a joker these days. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 11:28pm
Eh, despite all the lolmaryjane and booze that Benji consumes, he's got a mind like a steel trap apparently. I'm glad to see you're back actually. Aside from that one time, we tended to do alright around each other. Convo's been getting stale recently, so new-old people is a welcome change. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |