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Topic: Top 5 musical geniuses of late 20th century.
Posted By: __sneaky__
Subject: Top 5 musical geniuses of late 20th century.
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:46am
Not your 5 favorite performers, but who do you honestly think had the most raw musical talent?

My list in some random order:



Prince: Can play 27 instruments; has written hundreds of songs for himself and other singers, sings and dances.



Kurt Cobain: Singer/guitar player, but the main reason I put him in my top 5 was because of his intense passion for the music, not money and fame.



Michael Jackson: If you know anything about Michael Jackson, then this is an obvious choice.



The Beatles: Again, doesn't really require further explanation.



Johnny Cash: His music was amazing, and virtually anyone to this day can relate to it.

So theres my top 5. Elton John gets an honourable mention, because top 6 doesn't sound as good. Who are your top 5?



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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:53am
I agree with all of those except cobain... He died too young to be on that list in my opinion.
 
I would add someone like Ozzy to the list, or maybe garth brooks.
 
 


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 11:25am
This is a hard list. If you're using the collective singular you can put the Beatles, but do you mean collective singulars or individual people? 

I'm going with individual people: 

  1. John Lennon 
  2. Mick Jagger 
  3. Michael Jackson 
  4. Hank Williams (The first) 
  5. Jay Z. 




Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 11:34am
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

This is a hard list. If you're using the collective singular you can put the Beatles, but do you mean collective singulars or individual people? 

I'm going with individual people: 

  1. John Lennon 
  2. Mick Jagger 
  3. Michael Jackson 
  4. Hank Williams (The first) 
  5. Jay Z. 


I'm not being too picky about it. John Lennon was my favorite beatle though, for whatever that's worth.

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Posted By: Kingtiger
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 12:02pm
Why is Jimi Hendrix not listed?


Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 12:18pm
Dave Mustaine
Jimi Hendrix
Jimmy Paige
Eric Clapton
Bobby Krieger


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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 1:26pm
Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:





Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.


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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 1:29pm


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:
Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.

Ehhh. 

He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 





Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Jay Z.

For the life of me I can never understand why Jay-Z gets the reputation he does. I've just never seen anything special about him except for his business acumen that has made him the richest rapper in the world.
Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:





Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.

Word. I don't know if he is the best rapper, but he is definitely the most dynamic and most talented.

I can't really comment on artists outside of the rap genre, but I'm inclined to say OP has the right idea.


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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:
Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.

Ehhh. 

He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 





I've never enjoyed anything I've heard Jay-Z do, so I guess I'm really biased against him music wise.  I'll give you that he's an amazing business man, hence the empire he's built. But if we're just talking music, Eminem all day.


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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 
He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 

Anger??  I would say NWA, Public Enemy and Ice T brought the anger level to new heights in rap music IMO.


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 
He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 

Anger??  I would say NWA, Public Enemy and Ice T brought the anger level to new heights in rap music IMO.

In their day, they set the bar with social angst in their lyrics. 

But, the level of just raw seething anger that you get from The Slim Shady LP has yet to be touched by any other rap artist: Not even Eminem himself. 

It's hard to listen to that album the whole way through in one sitting. That's the sign of a really angry album.


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z?

Easily.


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:34pm
I'd compromise and say that I'd replace Jay Z on my list with Dre. 

Dre made Eminem. 


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

I'd compromise

Got dang libral.

Quote and say that I'd replace Jay Z on my list with Dre. 

Dre made Eminem. 

Better, but I still have to disagree. Dre afforded Eminem an outlet to grow and make his own music in a way that most companies wouldn't allow, but saying that Dre made Eminem ignores Eminem's raw talent and the fact that he had creative control over most of what he did.


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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:49pm
Bob Dylan.


As for the Em and Jay Z debate. When looking at full careers, Jay Z has accomplished more and has been continuously successful as well as relevant, while Em has pretty much died out since Encore.

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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Bob Dylan.


As for the Em and Jay Z debate. When looking at full careers, Jay Z has accomplished more and has been continuously successful as well as relevant, while Em has pretty much died out since Encore.



Have you heard his new album?


Recovery >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Relapse.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 3:55pm

I don't know much about rap in general, but Eminem has always impressed me with his lyrical abilities. I've watched alot of his earlier freestyle videos, very impressive stuff.

Anyway, a top 5 list is really tough, because there were so many in the the 50's,60's, and 70's that completely changed music forever. So I'll do mine by era-
 
50's-Carl Perkins. Perkins was doing rockabilly long before Elvis was, and was very well known as being one of the fathers of modern rock and roll.
 
60's-I'm giving this one a toss up between Bob Dylan (reinventing songwriting) and Jimi Hendrix (reinventing guitar). Really it should just be Dylan, because Hendrix followed a lot more of a set pattern that people realized. He was a genius, but nothing like Dylan.
 
80's-Michael Jackson. I hate to say it, but he changed alot in the pop music scebe.
 
Modern-Jack White. LOL I think my fanboyism of Jack White is getting to creepy levels, but after watching "It Might Get Loud" last night, I've reaffirmed my belief that Jack White is the second coming of rock and roll.
 
That saId, here's another top 5 for guitarists
 
1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Chuck Berry
3. Stevie Ray Vaughan
4. Randy Rhoads
5. Jack White
 
Those are the guitar game changers for me. People who did something that's never been heard before, and things would never be the same afterward. You can think SRV for all the Texas blues stylings you hear on the radio, and anyone who's ever picked up the guitar has played at least some Chuck Berry.
 
On Cobain, I think FE was spot on. Had he lived long enough, and been allowed to grow musically, I think he would have been on my list. If you listen to "Unplugged", you hear the makings of someone who is an incredibly talented musician / guitarist in general. But the drugs and his glaring mental issues clouded everything, and I honestly don't consider grunge to be much more than the stepping stone between punk and modern alternative. I love Nirvana, but I think listening to songs like "Lake of Fire" and "The Man Who Sold the World" from Unplugged is far more enlightening than anything else they did.


Posted By: Kingtiger
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 4:29pm
1. Jimi Hendrix
2. The Beatles
3. Bob Dylan
4. Eric Clapton
5. Kurt Cobain



Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 4:33pm
I figured Cobain would be the more controversial of my picks. But strato, your fan boy-ism for jack white (not that I blame you) is close to my fan boy-ism  for Cobain. ;) /biasadmitted.

Also, while 99% of the time I hate rap, Eminem has always been my exception, I love his music.

Also Strato, find as many videos as you can of Prince playing guitar live. He easily deserves to be in anyones top guitarists list.


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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:


Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Bob Dylan.


As for the Em and Jay Z debate. When looking at full careers, Jay Z has accomplished more and has been continuously successful as well as relevant, while Em has pretty much died out since Encore.
Have you heard his new album?Recovery >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Relapse.

Honestly, I really can't say I have. But unless that album is flat out amazing and has new material, I can't see how Em can compete with Jay Z.

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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 7:19pm
Id rather listen to Jay-Z than Eminem. Any day.
 
Im just not a fan of Eminem. A few of his songs are good and catchy, but not nearly as many as Jay-Z.
 
If youre looking at them as a whole, you cant beat Jay-Z.


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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 8:48pm
Lennon-McCartney (self explanitory)
Jimi Hendrix (The total Expieriance)
Jim Morrison (The Doors, West Coast Mood turn Rock poetry)
Jerry Garcia (Greatfull Dead, combination country/physcodelic)
The Runaways (first all girl band commercially, launch of Joan Jett)

The Who and Queen (taking rock into classical realm 'Tommy' and 'Night at the Opera')


Alice Cooper (the original Glam Rocker)
David Bowie and the Spiders from Mars, or Ziggy Stardust (plain mind numbing)

Pink Floyd (the original mind in other realms sit back and listen rock)

Meat Loaf (showcase rock 'Bat out of Hell')


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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 9:43pm
Ke$ha for pioneering the downfall of music as we know it.

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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:28pm
ChumbaWamba. 

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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:37pm
Jack White (good pick strato)
Chris Cornell
Thom Yorke
Maynard James Keenan
Lennon

I really couldn't care too much if anyone disagrees. I like what I like.



Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 11:41pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Ke$ha for pioneering the downfall of music as we know it.
Most of the music industry has been on a downward spiral well before Ke$ha was around.

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 July 2010 at 12:21am

Perfected what became the standard for bluegrass and all its derivatives and roots


No one did dark before he did.


If you've ever been to a club, or have enjoyed anything with a kick ass beat, you should thank them


More genius than Eminem, Tupac, Biggie, or anyone else. The only contender would be Pete Rock and CL Smooth, but they didn't have the staying power that he does.


She has done more to guide the direction of pop music over the past 3 decades than MJ. Not to say MJ wasn't a genius, but she's got a much greater volume of excellent work than he does by far.

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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 22 July 2010 at 1:00am
Aaron Barrett
Tomas Kalnoky
Dicky Barrett
Dave King


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 22 July 2010 at 1:24am
Yeah we've all left Madonna off our lists. That's no good. Although I'm not sure you could put her anywhere close to Michael Jackson as far as talent and influence. Madonna stretched the limits of acceptability within pop music for sure, and adapted her sound seamlessly over time, but Michael Jackson almost invented a genre in his career. Bridging pop and R&B like he did hadn't been done in two generations. 

Thanks for the backup with Dre. 

Oh, and Orbital is good, no doubt, but I still think Daft Punk has a lot more talent, for one, and two, they made house music something that could be enjoyed song-to-song in your car CD player. Previous to them, house music was without borders and had no start and stop, making it pretty much only available in club. 

Daft Punk made house music into digestible songs: A feat nobody to that point had been able to do simply because it is really hard to snag a listener into a digitally created song who isn't just listening to it to dance. 

Granted, Orbital was the first house "Supergroup" to spin live songs and not just play their mixes straight through, Daft Punk has also done that throughout their career. 

And Daft Punk does it from a giant light-up pyramid. And who doesn't love that? 






Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 July 2010 at 1:50am
Well Whale, if we're arguing accessibility, and the ability to have song-to-song enjoyment, I'll trade Orbital for these guys:



Who came well before Daft Punk. Let's face it. Vegas is one of the greatest house/techno albums in existence. Still the best album intro ever:


I will say this in defense of my earlier choice. Orbital 2 (the brown album) is fan-frikken-tastic if you leave off the first and last tracks.
Examples:




Don't get me wrong. I like Daft Punk, and I think that they're great. But I can't give them genius status due to the fact that they do what old DJs did and recycle other people's music. And while the way they do it is brilliant, it just doesn't strike me as being as talented as Orbital or TCM. Alive is pretty goddamned awesome though.



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