Jurisdiction question.
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Topic: Jurisdiction question.
Posted By: Hysteria
Subject: Jurisdiction question.
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 6:49am
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If a cop clocks you speeding while he is outside of his jurisdiction, does he have the authority to pull you over and issue a ticket? |
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:16am
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It depends on the state. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:33am
| Georgia? |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:40am
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In the case of municipalities and counties it also depends on any reciprocal agreements between the various entities.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:52am
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Hey, in Ohio now, a visual estimation of your speed is good enough for a ticket. /sidenote -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:59am
Can cities also have such a reciprocal agreement? For instance, if there is a "city" .2 sq mi big inside of another, lager city? |
Mack wrote:Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:21am
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another side note, clean black cars are the hardest to get a laser to bounce off of and read.
As they absorb the light, instead of letting it bounce off.
just sayin...
Also, most ticketed color car. RED. Easiest to bounce laser off of, white.
Front license plates on cars are so they can bounce the laser off the plate.
If you slam on your brakes while being laser clocked it does mess up the reading.
If you speed in the high speed lane, you are way more likely to get a ticket. ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:23am
Yes. In the case you would cite there is most likely such an agreement. (Just think how silly it would be for the patrols of the larger city to have to avoid that area.) -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:28am
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Another sidenote: If you're ever driving on I-71 near Cleveland, watch your speed in Linndale. It's a notorious speed trap. They have maybe 1/4 mile of 71, and there is nearly always a cop sitting there. Some ridiculous percentage of their income comes from speeding tickets. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:56am
Not really, considering the whole entire .2 sq mi that is Remerton is one strip of bars and a few small back roads. Besides, the Valdosta police wouldn't be barred from driving through Remerton for the whole 2 seconds it takes, they just wouldn't have any power there (provided such an agreement does not exist - I have read that it indeed does not, but I can not find this information from a reputable source). |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:59am
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Novel concept.....Don't Speed then it is a non-issue. ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:36am
Wait, wait, I know the proper response to this one...
"The cop was out to get you... No way was it legal for him to catch you breaking the law... You should be allowed to go as fast as you want, because you are the victim... Of a racist ticket attack at least two blocks from his "turf"...
You should sue!" ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 10:49am
So because I was breaking the law, that gives the officer the right to break the law in order to catch me? Sweet logic. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 1:08pm
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How do you know he was out of 'his jurisdiction'? They could ahve free reign or they could have agreements.
Also, ALL peace officers take a state credentialing exam and are licensed by the same agency. Doesn't matter if you're in Dearborn or Detroit, Dallas or Houston, LA or San Diego. Therefor they are technically peace officers in the entire state, just get paid by different agencies. ------------- 
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 1:34pm
I wanted to say something about these this morning, but I wanted to double check my facts first. I asked a couple of the officers I work with, and they all said these two were incorrect for sure.3 of the 4 I asked were personally certified on LIDAR. Front License plates are so that it's easier for officers to be able to pick up plate number when facing against traffic. Once the laser is on you, it's too late. They also were all pretty sure the color thing was a wives tale, but weren't 100% positive. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 2:21pm
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Actually, USAF, all the things he stated were false.
Reds are not ticketed more. Whites don't bounce the laser from LIDAR off more easily. Front license plates aren't to reflect the laser. Slamming your brakes wont mess the reading because by the time the laser is on you, it's too late (which is why laser-detectors are useless) As for speeding in the highspeed, it depends. Officers do tend to look at that lane more because speeders are typically there, but by your rationale "If you shoot someone infront of a police station you're more likely to get caught". If they see you passing vehciles in ANY lane, they'll look at you more closely. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 2:44pm
i literally said 3 of the 4 things you did. Not sure how thats an "actually USAF moment" ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 2:50pm
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http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119292700/abstract - http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119292700/abstract
"It was found, however, that red, grey, and brown cars were more likely to receive speeding tickets than cars of other colors."
That is from an actual study on speeding tickets...
I play with lasers a lot, go shine one on a white car and look at the reflection. Then shine it on a black car and notice the reflection. One is much brighter than the other. This is the same effect with laser radar.
My cousin is a police officer, and I used to pass him on the highway all the time, He would clock me when I went by, and every time he couldn't get a reading (black acura tl) he would call and tell me about it. He rarely ever got a good reading.
He said for laser to work best it has to bounce back, a sloped vehicle with no flat front is hard to read, so he always shoots for the license plate or rear view mirror...
also...
http://www.laserveil.com/faqs/ - http://www.laserveil.com/faqs/
Reaction times are the issue with slamming on your brakes. If you have faster reaction time than the officer who is about to "instant on" clock you... of course it is possible. Cops aren't superhuman... Too many donuts makes for a slow reacting traffic cop...
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http://copradar.com/preview/chapt4/ch4d1.html - http://copradar.com/preview/chapt4/ch4d1.html
"On hills or curves target direction (with respect to radar) is changing, this causes the Cosine Effect angle (alpha) to change. A changing Cosine Effect angle results in measured target speed changing, the faster the angle changes the faster measured target speed changes (acceleration or deceleration component). If measured speed changes too fast the radar misses (does not display) target speed. "
You can cause this "missed reading" by slamming on your brakes, which even the police manual admits... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 3:09pm
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Red, Grey/silver and Brown cars also account for 43% of the cars on the road. Red is also a popular color for sports cars. Cops aren't cartoon bulls. Your argument about curves is pretty moot, you're also safe from radar next to very large vehicles, as the radar locks onto the larger one. But, if you're speeding, it doesn't matter. As for the slamming on breaks, that's not "beating the laser," like you tried to say earlier. The laser's reading is correct, plain and simple. That's why cops use LIDAR from bridges or at the backside of a hills crest. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 3:20pm
If you are going to misquote me... At least wait until the thread hits two pages... It just makes you look silly, and tallenesque to make up what I said.
I think you meant that I said...
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 5:21pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 5:51pm
And i guess that's why I mentioned specificially your earlier post.
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 5:52pm
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Don't really think slamming on your brakes get you OUT of a ticket.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 7:37pm
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Stealth technology states that flat surfaces refect radio waves back towards sender, and the color and coat of paint also conributes to stealth technology. Bent front license plates, and or dull colored paints on cars (stop waxing) and high reflective objects in front windshield can disrupt radar, but a F-117 your Buick is not.
Doing less than the 'Bear Bait' you are following is tip one, leader of the pack is a sure ticket. Don't know how many times I let a fancy car run about 1/2 mile in front of me and I pace him, his brakelights come on, I am at legal speed by the time I pass the trooper and radar gun. Worked with the big ole Western Star, and the current crop of car and truck. I-88 between Oneonta and Albany is a race track, I know where the troopers hide, but still prefere to have some 'bear bait' in front of me. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:01pm
The F-117's covering is Radar Absorbing Material, not just black paint. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:20pm
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FE, there's more bull in your statements in this thread than all your political ones put together. There is no correlation between the color of a car and its ability to be detected by radar, or the amount that it's ticketed. 5 minutes on google searching for 'color of car and speeding tickets' is enough to convince me. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 8:43pm
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Understand the RAM covering of F-117, just dispelling the paint rumor mill of red vs black auto paint and radar reflection. Just using the F-117 as a example of shape and covering deflecting radio waves where average car has too many angles and reflective surfaces (not just a front license plate) -------------
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Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 11:49pm
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1. License plates are there so your vehicle can be identified from the front and back. In many states you must have both front and back.
2. Cops don't care what color your car is. If you are drive like a low flying airplane you will be stopped.
3. If you slam on your brakes you may cause a crash. Also it is easy to spot the speeder when their front end drops to the ground after the radar gives a reading that went from 50 down to 20.
4. Crying doesn't work on most cops, we know you are doing it to get out of the ticket. It is funny to most us, even more so when a male crys to a male officer. Yes, that has happened.
5. Tip of the day. Be honest, we hate being lied to. If I stop you for doing 14 mph over, and your not wearing the seat belt I will usually knock the ticked down to the nearest round # if you are honest. 14 goes to 10. But if you ask for a break or lie to me, you get the whole ticket and what ever other tickets I was overlooking like that pesky seatbelt. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 12:58am
This is really the way to go. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 5:58am
By "actually USAF", I meant it to mean "In addition, USAF" as I was expanding on what you said, not that what you said was wrong. PS-- FE, it seems that you're confusing LIDAR for radar. They aren't the same. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 7:35am
Oh, My bad... For some weird reason I thought a study done in 2006 by university of Missouri-Kansas City was more credible than a simple google search.
I stand corrected.
 Bright Cars and Speeding Tickets Mary C. Newman
Copyright 1993 V. H. Winston & Sons, Inc. Speeding tickets for a 22 month period in a suburban area were examined to determine the possible relationships among the percentage of speed over the speed limit, the age and color of the car, and the age and gender of the driver. The frequencies of speeding tickets by car color were also compared with the frequencies of cars on the road by colors. The percentage of speed over the limit was not related to the characteristics of the cars or the drivers. It was found, however, that red, grey, and brown cars were more likely to receive speeding tickets than cars of other colors. A previous conclusion that bright colored cars give the impression of speed, which results in a higher estimation of actual velocity, was not supported by the present study. DIGITAL OBJECT IDENTIFIER (DOI) 10.1111/j.1559-1816.1993.tb01005.x http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/doiinfo.html - About DOI
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:26am
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They're more likely because there are more of them. Also, radar and lidar aren't the same, as Linus said. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 10:47am
Read FE's post more thoroughly before telling him why he's wrong next time. It specifically mentioned that "The frequencies of speeding tickets by car color were also compared with the frequencies of cars on the road by colors." -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:04am
And you found your study where? Probably the same place I found contradictory information. ------------- ? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:21am
| You could all, you know, just drive the speed limit. |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 12:52pm
| or drive so fast that the cops can't catch you. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 3:01pm
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^^^ You can't outrun the two-way radio.
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