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Mil-Sim Paintball: Who and what we are

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Topic: Mil-Sim Paintball: Who and what we are

Posted By: BIGBOSS_202
Subject: Mil-Sim Paintball: Who and what we are
Date Posted: 07 August 2010 at 1:22pm

I just finished this video and it's now active. I hope everyone likes it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-4OB_Ggw_c

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Posted By: Magoo
Date Posted: 07 August 2010 at 10:13pm

That bothers me: "We are the roots of paintball."

Hardly.

The roots of paintball are guys who went out with a purpose-built Nel-Spot made to mark trees and cattle to harvest, and decided to shoot each other instead. From there it went to pump play. As a matter of fact, I think Mil-Sim came AFTER the desire to make guns all shiny and flashy. Take Earon Carter for example. And Dave Youngblood (founder of DYE). These were THE big names in early paintball, and they went out to make the guns as individual and "stand-out-there" as much as possible. Of all the serious competitors of the early days, I can't think of any who were actually a Mil-Sim team.

Just sayin'...

Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 07 August 2010 at 10:32pm

or charles nelson? milsim is far from the roots..plz.

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Posted By: Magoo
Date Posted: 07 August 2010 at 11:15pm

JohnnyCanuck wrote:

or charles nelson? milsim is far from the roots..plz.

Charles Gaines. Nelson as a company has been around for much longer than paintball has been a sport. Mr. Gaines and his friends decided it would be a good idea to shoot each other with them.

Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 August 2010 at 11:56pm

No, actually the game went to a 'military' theme initially, playing 'war' with pumps dressed in surplus military clothing and commercial safety goggles. The transition from pump to semi started the drift to colored guns and pajamas as the populace saw the game as a 'wargame' and the people in the game wanted to get away from a 'military' theme to gather more interest. The game ebbs and flows between mil-sim and tourney, and the more aged players and oltimers in the sport drift back to the slower woodsball and scenario/mil-sim as they age. The first 'World Cup' was at Survival NY, and the majority of the players were in military themed clothing, with the pumps (with auto triggers) and the first semi's. Was there and was one of the first games played with my 68Special.

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 12:03am

Back in 1987 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ZoDNQv1Hs - Things looked prety "MILSIM" to me....

Looks like Whale's Journalism Teacher wrote up this piece.

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Posted By: BIGBOSS_202
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 1:02am

I was hoping we can keep this on the matter of the video quality and things of that nature.

Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 6:07pm

I love about seven minutes in, the dude drinking a beer and talking about his welts.. Using safety glasses.. Awesome.

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 6:09pm

BIGBOSS_202 wrote:

I was hoping we can keep this on the matter of the video quality and things of that nature.

Slideshow set to music, not exactly ground breaking.

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"When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.

Posted By: BIGBOSS_202
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 9:41pm

Still I hope this video can promote paintball in a good light

Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 9:56pm

Milsim 2010=/=Milsim1985

The roots of paintball are the people out there with ratty BDU's and markers older than 1/2 the players on the field.

Heck, a few of my markers are older than me.

I miss 'oldschool' milsim. When I got into paintball, the run of the mill milsim marker was a 98 or A5 with a BT barrel, carry handle, and stock. You had GTA(Genuine Tippmann Accessories), Pro Carbs, Mags and Cockers were still used by the common populace, there was ONE .50 caliber marker...(continue ranting).

The introduction of the Tippmann X7, and then later Project Salvo killed Milsim for me. I used to enjoy seeing homebrew markers, now anyone can play GI Joe. Takes the fun out of it.

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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 10:32pm

Really liked making that old 68Carbine into a XM-177 replica, or moding the old 68Special into a good Mil-Sim rifle. Yes the new premade markers are 'ready to use' but still you can mod em up to be missione specific, and too me moding the markers is sometimes more fun that actually using them.

I have enroute an Airsoft M-203 launcher to fire NERF rockets for my Project Salvo, and have a CAW airsoft M-79 Thunper to fire NERF rockets. The new potentials are endless, there are even airsoft RPG's out there for paintball anti-tank work. Some green gas and a NERF 2in finned football and you are in bussiness.

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 08 August 2010 at 11:55pm

BIGBOSS_202 wrote:

I was hoping we can keep this on the matter of the video quality and things of that nature.

That's not how things work here.

oldpbnoob wrote:

I love about seven minutes in, the dude drinking a beer and talking about his welts.. Using safety glasses.. Awesome.

When I first started playing shop goggles were all that was available; they didn't make masks yet.

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Posted By: Magoo
Date Posted: 09 August 2010 at 12:11am

Okay, I will admit my comments were a bit, well, inaccurate. However, I was currently in a debate involving "Mil-Sim vs. 'Clown Guns,'" and I was really put off by this comment here:

a biased pinhead wrote:

"clown guns" belong on speedball fields, if you're in a woodsball game and you run and gun with anything that might give you away because of its neon annodizing then you deserve the double tap to the chest.

No sarcasm or humour meant in any of my post. Paintball is great because it caters to many different people. The problem is when people don't accept others for what they like. If you're into speedball, great stay out of my woodsball game, trust me you won't catch me trying to hide in and around your inflatable things. I personally can't stand and don't understand how anyone enjoys speedball, but i'm not for one moment going to tell the next guy not to play it. I'd expect the same in return.

How this all pertains to this post is that orignal dude in the camo with the bright blue gun should either make up his mind on what he really wants out of paintball and chose his gear to fit it. I think the original poster was commenting on the fact that he went to the trouble of getting all ghillied up and then chose to run with a neon gun, which defeats the purpose of the camo. Of course he could have been using the gun for a number of perfectly reasonable reasons. Perhaps its all that he could afford? or perhaps it was the only marker he could find where he lives? But still he could've wrapped it, or even blasted it with some paint to make it into a ghetto woodsball marker.

And on the topic of wearing whatever in a woodsball game. I've got no problem with that. Some of the best players i've ever shot or been shot by wore the most average street clothes on the field. In life its not what you're shooting, driving or wearing, its how well you use it that counts.

But still full camo with a blue gun. No sorry that's wrong. The fishing nets and balloon bunkers is over on the other side of the field.

That said, look at Mil-Sim now and then. Mil-Sim wasn't "Mil-Sim," it was woodsball. There is a distinct difference. Mil-Sim is people adding useless accessories to their guns, digi-camming up, overbearing MOLLE gear, etc. just to replicate military environments as much as possible. Back in the day, players raided surplus stores for military gear, because it worked better in the woods. I'm sure people still "Mil-Simmed," but I REALLY don't think it was as prominent as it is today...

That said, I have no problem with Mil-Sim. Sure, it's not my forte. That doesn't mean I'm going to look down on you if you play it. It's a style. I've got no problem with speedballers, roll players, woodsballers, Mil-Simmers, or any one else. I'm going to go to a field, I'm going to play on that field, and I'm going to shoot at you if you shoot at me. I don't discriminate...

Magoo
Team Blackwatch (a Texas scenario paintball team)

Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 August 2010 at 12:26am

Evil Elvis wrote:

Back in 1987 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ZoDNQv1Hs - Things looked prety "MILSIM" to me....

Looks like Whale's Journalism Teacher wrote up this piece.

I got a kick out of the idiot psychologist at 15:10 stating that the military used tracer rounds in war games.

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Posted By: BIGBOSS_202
Date Posted: 09 August 2010 at 12:40am

Magoo wrote:

Okay, I will admit my comments were a bit, well, inaccurate. However, I was currently in a debate involving "Mil-Sim vs. 'Clown Guns,'" and I was really put off by this comment here:

I can agree their on not separating paintball but from my experience, it's hard not for the game in general to branch out like a tree you might say as far as speed, woods, scenario, and mil-sim. I will admit that I do hit the military surplus stuff for gear and have come to love the flexibility of my MOLLE vest. I will also say that in recent years paintball has been evolving back to the woods were it all started but markers like the A5 and X7 or the project salvo didn't kill mil-sim. Those markers allow players to make the marker more to how they love their game to to help them get into it better. With guys like Eric Engler and Dan Hallak of scenario arms making a wide range of mods to put on markers like the X7 and the fact that you can go to an airsoft shop or a firearms store to get any piece of MOLLE gear or accessory that can be used on a fire arm, or airsoft gun grately expands a players options and pushes the limits on realism.

Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 09 August 2010 at 12:45am

Mack wrote:

Evil Elvis wrote:

Back in 1987 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ZoDNQv1Hs - Things looked prety "MILSIM" to me....

Looks like Whale's Journalism Teacher wrote up this piece.

I got a kick out of the idiot psychologist at 15:10 stating that the military used tracer rounds in war games.

Yeah I was thinking wow that would one short stint in command.

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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 09 August 2010 at 12:46am

why get Airsoft stuff when Stuff built for paintball works better with Nerfs, %20 - http://www.milsimrockets.com/index.html

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Posted By: BIGBOSS_202
Date Posted: 09 August 2010 at 12:50am

Evil Elvis wrote:

why get Airsoft stuff when Stuff built for paintball works better with Nerfs, %20 - http://www.milsimrockets.com/index.html

I meant that mil-sim markers and airsoft guns have the same standard 20mm RIS rail on them and they make those king of guns highly versital

Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 August 2010 at 1:13am

Evil Elvis wrote:

why get Airsoft stuff when Stuff built for paintball works better with Nerfs, %20 - http://www.milsimrockets.com/index.html

Dual purpose, still play both.

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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 11 August 2010 at 11:47pm

I agree with what Detrevni (aka magoo) said.

Although I dont think I will ever stop hating on 98 Platinums, Alpha Blacks, Salvos, and X7's(I dont hate on Phenoms because they arent a Model 98 with junk added to it).

I used to enjoy looking at homebrew Milsim, and the newer markers just kill it. Its always specops this, milsim that, buy buy buy.

Its the difference between buying a barely running 1973 Corvette and building one nice car in your garage, and buying a 2011 ZR1 Corvette. Building something yourself as alot of cool points.

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Posted By: BIGBOSS_202
Date Posted: 15 August 2010 at 11:00pm

you can still make hone made stuff. I've seen guys on x7og.net make real wood stuff for their AK kits and stuff like that.

Posted By: hellcat420
Date Posted: 23 August 2010 at 8:16am

i like how they have put the mod kits and made all the mil-sim lookin markers out. ya a lot of homebrew milsim guns look better, but not everyone has the time to do that. and as for it killing mil-sim i highly doubt that. if anything it probably attracts more (young)players because they look more like real guns.