German Immigration
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Topic: German Immigration
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Subject: German Immigration
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 6:40pm
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I have to admit, sometimes I really love the bluntness of Germans. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101017/wl_afp/germanymuslimreligionimmigration - http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101017/wl_afp/germanymuslimreligionimmigration
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 8:12pm
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Insert super easy and inappropriate nazi joke.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 9:19pm
| Wow that's really really random..... I'm reading about this EXACT thing right now, and they referenced Germany in exactly this context. About how it doesn't try to function as multi-cultural |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 2:14am
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No, no; this worked out so well the first time. Lets try again! ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 6:46am
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Having lived in Germany I understand thier position on this. Through failed social programs the 'German' birthrate is down (look it up) and the Germans are determined to protect thier National as well as yes, racial identity. Looking next door to France and thier problems with mid-eastern immigrants the Germans are not going to let that type of issue arise.
Multiculturalism is a failed social issue, it has and is destroying the base culture of any nation that adapts this program. You do not see the Islamic world adapting this program, but we in the west are 'required' to adapt it. I praise the Germans for taking a stand, Germany for Germans, and resisting this idiotic social 'need' to let another culture change the German identity. If and when Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, etc adapt 'multiculturalism' maybe there is a merit to the program, but as it stands now, it is just an incrimental program to destroy western societies while enpowering the 'pure' Islamic societies. We here in America have the same issues, where the American 'culture' is becoming the 'minority' in our Southwest, being replaced by a 'Mexican' or Hispanic culture. Ask anyone in Arizona, how thier American identity is being replaced with a primary 'multicultural' hispanic culture and how English is being replaced by Spanish as the primary language. Imagine your community being told that since the Hispanic population outnumbers the American population, Spanish is now the 'unofficial' language of the community. Typecasting Germans as 'racist' is no differant than typecasting Islamic countries as racist, but you will never see that in the media. "Deutschland für die Deutschen" ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:04am
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I would like to point out that the American Southwest was a whole lot more like Mexico for thousands of years before white men settled there.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:26am
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I fail to understand this, "HE STARTED IT!" mentality that you(OS) and FE have clung onto for issues similar to this. I don't care that they're not accepting of other cultures, they should not affect our own ability to accept differences within our own cultures.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:34am
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I'm speaking from absolutely no experience whatsoever with this topic, but I'm sure multi-culturalism is far more vital in some parts of the world than others. While a small country like Germany may be composed of a very limited mindset (again, I don't know, just throwing this out), a country with a diverse population such as ourselves could not afford to make such a bold statement. We have to live peacefully side by side, or else we lose control of the population. In the US, political correctness is just as vital a way of controlling and policing the population as anything else. Otherwise, if people feel free to express their hatreds towards each other, civil chaos erupts. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:50am
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Sounds less than civil to me.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 8:01am
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A simple study in the problems of 'multiculturalism' can be the issues that face Quebec, between the 'English' and 'French' communities.
One of the reasons we were a economic giant was the universal culture of the early immigrants, where the immigrant demanded that the children learn and speak English. The issues of multi-language bussiness is a drain on any economy. Case in point in my days as a OTR trucker, picking up and or delievering in the Southwest where communicating with dock personnel was difficult or impossible because of the dominant Spanish speaking workers not understanding requirements for simple issues such as weight distribution in the trailer. I speak New York City Puerto Rican Spanish, but the cultural and language differences between the Mexican/South American and Puerto Rico Spanish still made communication difficult. When supervisors can not communicate effectively with workers on the floor does not promote a profitable enviornment, and the costs of languaqge training just increase the costs of doing bussiness. The Germans imported labor from the mid-east post war to help 'clean up' the mess from the war. The Turkish communities demanded autonomy in the 80's wanting a Turkish state established within Germany, was rejected of course but the discourse created still exsists. The 'Reconquista' movement in the Southwest is demanding that California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado be returned to Mexico, and as the Hispanic communities become the majority in these areas what will be the consequences in the future. -------------
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:48am
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Honestly, mixed feelings on this. Aside from the "oh noez Nazis!' mentality, it is good to see a country standing up for preserving their cultural identity. I visited Germany a couple of times and they do seem to be very proud of being "German". I can see where they would have a problem with immigrants not attempting to learn the language and culture. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:18pm
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The Swiss are complaining about the same thing.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:33pm
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Also saw this on Yahoo today and followed the link to the Time website. Seems to be an ongoing issue. Wonder if the sudden uptick has to do with overburdened social programs brought about by the condition of the world economy? http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20101018/us_time/08599202531600 - http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20101018/us_time/08599202531600 ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:43pm
Who is requiring what now? I don't seem to recall any multiculturalism mandates, at least not in the U.S. Maybe it is different in Germany. The morphing and adapting of cultures is something that just happens when people move and bring customs with them. It's the reason why Indian food is so popular in Britain and you can get kehbab on any street corner in Germany. And as far as "Middle-easterners not adapting multiculturalism," I've seen an awfully lot of pictures of KFCs and McDonald's in Muslim countries. Anyway . . . Onto the original link, I interpreted Merkel's statement to mean that the idea of mixing cultures doesn't work when people are not interested in doing any mixing and want to stick to themselves. It's just easy to smirk at what she said knowing Germany's less-than-stellar past when it comes to incorperating cultures  . |
oldsoldier wrote:Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:43pm
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I agree with you on that to some extent oldpbnoob. If you can't take pride in your culture, why have it at all? And making sure it survives intact is definitely part of that pride.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 2:22pm
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The 'social' requirement of accepting multiculturalism here in America is continueing the resentment and racial problems in our society. The Left long ago learned that social unrest is thier key to power above the needs of the country. Nationalism the counter to multiculturalism if not controled can also become a monster on the scale of multiculturalism. The destruction of the base culture of past Empires, to include the Soviet Union, all in the name of multiculturalism is a ftate that awaits many small nations. Germany, France and other EU nations are losing thier identity in this battle, and are now beginning to fight back, and the more liberal among the populace can not see why. The riots in Paris recently, the Islamic veil issue in French Law are just the tip of the problems.
We in America are from multiple cultures but up till recently blended as one, now even that issue of immigrants assimulating is seen as wrong, as they 'should' be able to maintain thier seperate culture at the cost of the whole. That is not going to end well in generations to come. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 2:54pm
You'll have to explain what you mean by this. Before you were talking about how multiculturalism was a flat requirement, now it is a "social requirement."
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 6:32pm
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Basically the Laws that require official documents and official government procedures be in languages other than English. Schools required to teach for example hispanics in Spanish, not requiring hispanic students to learn conversational English. And then having the additiona COST of printing textbooks and testing material in Spanish, and other languages as required, where one set in English reduces costs.
The NYC Schools system is being required to print textbooks in Spanish, Chinese, as well as several dialects in Mid-Eastern/African languages, now there is a cost the system can not absorb. Why can't we require the student learn English to reduce the total societal cost? Until recently even in the 'enclave' communities the parents insisted the children learn and speak English, only recently with the 'liberal' idea of multiculturalism is English no longer insisted upon, hense the multi language requirements for official documentation. Look up how many languages the DMV in California and NY for example test. Where last time I checked the signage on the highways are in English, so the applicant and potential multicultural driver is unable to fully understand road signage, interesting concept. Simple example, just the cost of printing all these documents in over 25 languages is an added COST to the state of California and NY, where one set in English reduces costs. -------------
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 6:50pm
I'm pretty sure most public schools require ESL or at least speech for those who can't speak English since that's the norm around here. ------------- 
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:18pm
| So OS, which one culture is the true American culture? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 8:23pm
Yes. People in America speak other languages than English. It's been this way since the founding.
You're going to have to find me some kind of citation of a school that doesn't require ESOL courses if the student doesn't speak English.
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. It's the reason there are still multiple generations who don't speak English very well.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:38pm
As someone who has lived in Germany, I assume you drove while there. Would you say you were able to comprehend the German signs enough to follow the laws, or were you just taring down the street all willy nilly like?
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:44pm
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Ich sprach und könnte grundlegenden Deutschen lesen, nahm es in der Schule.
Plus German road signs are more in the international picture mode than written. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:45pm
And why do those symbols work? |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:55pm
GG babelfish. Who did you take the German from? Do they know you have it?
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:58pm
Which culture is this, exactly?
Your country would like a word with you. I have more to say about this than I have time to elucidate, but I'll at least say that opponents of multiculturalism make it seem like by looking at someone from another culture, one becomes the heathenish beast that is a member of another culture. There is a big distinction to be made between accepting and adopting other cultures, and it deserves attention. And I feel the need to point out how invaluable of an experience it was for me to go to the school I did, in the environment it was in. By being exposed to the gangland sub-culture like I was, I became acquainted with the desires, struggles, consequences, and benefits of said culture, and it is infinitely more complex than most people who have never dealt with that sort of environment would imagine. I firmly believe that becoming acquainted with cultures other than one's own can only be a beneficial endeavor, and anyone who isn't willing to do so or accepts something as arbitrary (and evolutionary-counter-productive) as racial or cultural purity is either scared, bigoted, misinformed, or some other negative thing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:11pm
Ich kann grundlegend Deutsch sprechen und lesen. Nehme ich es im Schule. It's pretty obvious you didn't use a translator, which is good, but your grammar could be worked on. /nitpicking wenn ich solle fur mein Examen lernen. EDIT: Babelfish translates differently than google translate. Maybe you used babelfish. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:18pm
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Out of practice...haven't used German since early 90's -------------
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:20pm
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annehmen = to take something this is not the word you are looking for
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Posted By: spydercam
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 4:19pm
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Cool hier wird ja deutsch gesporochen !!!
Simple i would say there are good ones and bad ones like everywhere around the world !
I have many friends which are foreigners, since i went to school to now in the paintball community we have Turkey, Polish, EX Yugoslavia, Russian, Irany, Eygipt, Palastinian, Italyan, Spanish, Portugal, French, Swiss, of course American´s (On our Field US-Base) and so on and their are all good people !!!
Big problem is that they stay often on their own cause they can talk easier cause their parent often talk less german and they fell better when the can talk and understand also !!!
That´s why many went to cheap school´s like i went (In germany we have 3 levels: Hauptschule 9years; Realschule 10years; Gymnasium 12-13years need for University) cause they sort after the 4th Grade which school is your next !!!
So if your german isn´t good enough but math is great for example they will kick you in the downest Hauptschule so if your good in something you wont learn much there and that´s for all lessons there, so you don´t be much smarter after and your german isn´t better cause many have just problems by understanding the answer so the problem start´s !!!
If we wont select for good and bad this early the mix would be cool for each culture but the tactic in the present is be better than other´s and don´t care what happens to other´s as long your fine !!!
Hoffe es ist veständlich geschrieben das war so meine Meinung zu dem Thema !!!
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 6:30pm
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Wow, Babblefish does indeed have its limitations, but it is great to see more internationals on the forum. A critique of our multicultural ideology isn't unwarranted in my book. I'm required to take multicultural education classes as a prospective teacher and do have some slight issues with the ideology. We like to think of ourselves as a traditionally liberal society. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, free-trade, equal rights, eliminating property requirements for the right to vote, child-labor laws etc. were all liberal ideas of their time. Being accepting of other ethnic groups and ideologies is something this country prides itself on, and I think rightfully so. I doubt we would ban minarets and the hajib as some European countries have. That being said, would it be a good idea to have separate justice systems based on religious and other traditional or conservative values of other societies like in Lebanon or like Kenya is considering, even if it were voluntary? Plenty of people world-wide would argue that having Islamic courts deal with civil matters(if someone opted in) would be a more tolerant way of dealing with cultural differences. As for textbooks in different languages, textbooks are expensive and could soon be obsolete. I can understand the opposition, but which is more beneficial to our society; having ESL students learn the material so they can keep up and be beneficial to the economy, or have them learn the language first at the possible expense of the material so they can also be more beneficial to the economy? Multiculturalism tends to emphasise our Euro-Centric bias, but if you go far enough back enough it's a Roman, Greek , and Christian-centered bias more so than a continental one. "Barbarian" tribes like the Germans, Celts or Scandinavians are overlooked by History. Even the concept of a monolithic "white" culture is a very recent one. Who gets to pick and choose who is an underrepresented group? Especially when cultural memories have been systematically erased and belittled and replaced with other arbitrary criteria for identity like skin color. It's easy to poke fun at Germany considering their past, and the US considering our pluralistic makeup, but at some point we will need to decide what it is indeed that we value and is best for our country in a practical matter and quit it with the self-loathing. |