Always check the chamber . . .
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Topic: Always check the chamber . . .
Posted By: Mack
Subject: Always check the chamber . . .
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:03am
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. . . it helps prevent accidents. Like the one that resulted in a call tonight from my son-in-law that ended up with me going over to his house to look at the holes in the wall from the 30-06 round that his neighbor put through the shared dining room wall . . . that traveled through the kitchen and penetrated the wall above the cupboards . . . then passed through the bedroom closet . . . before bouncing off the ceiling of my granddaughter's bedroom and coming to rest in the opposite wall above her bed. Some broken glass but no one was hurt as no one was in any of the rooms in question. Good thing the daughter wasn't home as she probably would have freaked. Took the granddaughter with the wife and I to go visit other relatives. (Figured I'd keep her out of dad's way while he cleaned up; plus, thinking about the bullet going through her room--even if it was near the ceiling--was getting me agitated to the point where being in the same place with the careless gun owner was probably a bad idea*.) Daughter was home when we brought the granddaughter back--I was right, she was freaked.** Everyone who wants to argue about gun control can do so now but keep in mind if this had been a pistol it probably never would have made it into the kid's place.*** /relieved venting. *To give the man credit there were no excuses, only apologies; and he was already on the phone with the police when he came knocking at the kid's door. **She did not appreciate my pointing out that the collector's glass the bullet shattered was a real "shot" glass now. ***Which they rent from me so, to keep things in the family, I will just hire the son-in-law for the patching and bill the neighbors. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 1:06am
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I know it is not "fair", but what are the penalties for sending a round through someone's house?
I'd put in a call to the cops against said neighbour. While N/D's are like wheels up landings, "There are those who have had them and those who are going to", I still think people who have N/D's should be held accountable. And I'm sorry to say I'm not talking about footing the repair bill. I also don't mean he should lose his guns, but something should happen to actually punish him. So it hurts enough that he'll make damn sure to check the chamber again. Unless it was a Rem 700, 'cos those go off by themselves, don't you know. KBK |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:13am
That would have been step 1 for me, zero question. |
Kayback wrote:Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:18am
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Wait, wait, wait. Mack is a grandpa? |
Posted By: Magoo
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:21am
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Wow, man. Where have you been? Stick around for a bit. I miss conspiring to build Angel powered Tippmanns with you, bud. (I'm DeTrevni, BTW.) |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:21am
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That happens too much around here for good taste. Rednecks + guns + booze + thin walls is a bad combo.
One of the people that live up the road from my parents (I won't use the term neighbor, they're way too far out in the country for that) was unloading his gun from deer season, missed the last round apparently when he pulled all of them out, and when he closed the bolt he pulled the trigger. The round went off, and went through his neighbor's trailer and into her china cabinet right by where she was sitting eating dinner.
The lady nor the SO pressed charges because they knew the guy, he wasn't a drinker or anything, just got careless and didn't recheck the chamber before pulling the trigger.
I think it depends on attitude, and circumstances. Someone like that guy who was cleaning a gun, accidentally discharged it, and immediately went next door to check on the neighbor, I don't see any reason to press charges, unless the neighbor pursues them.
However, if there's alcohol, horseplay, bad attitudes, etc involved, I think they should face jail time and serious consequences.
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:25am
I'm BOS on PBN, so I need to crash somewhere. Now, where the hell is the Flipmann? |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:04am
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:07am
But sometimes pressing charges is up to the "victim".
As an interested party you should be privy to the outcome. And aren't court proceedings public information? KBK |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:14am
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:41am
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Glad everyone is safe Mack. It amazes me how careless people are sometimes. I realize there are accidents, but something like this is ridiculous. Probably not your first question to the guy, but was it a case of him having a loaded gun in the house intentionally or forgetting to clear the chamber before putting it away? Either shows total stupidity IMO. I don't own a gun, but growing up, my dad taught me the first thing you do when you are handed a firearm is to check to see if it loaded or not before you go anywhere near the trigger. I was familiar with both his service revolver and shotgun and as a matter of habit would check them immediately when he handed them to me. And I was maybe 10 or 11. Can't believe a grown man would be so reckless.
Press charges and or whatever else you can do. If he is a renter, make sure his landlord knows what is going on. If he is a homeowner, maybe consider getting his homeowners insurance provider and file a claim with them. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:56am
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^^^ New gun, didn't check the chamber after unloading. I can guarantee that if the city doesn't pursue this on their own, my daughter will. -------------
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:02am
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:08am
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Jesus, lucky it was only a .30-06. /sarcasm -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:09pm
| I can honestly say I had no idea a .30-06 had anywhere near that kind of penetrating power. |
Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:12pm
Came in here to say this. But I bid farewell with THATS WHAT SHE SAID.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:14pm
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:17pm
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30-06 ( as my example the new American Eagle 30-06 for the M1 Garand) will go through .375"/10mm mild steel plate at 100 yards like it was butter.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:33pm
I was basing it on the completely unscientific fact that when shooting at a big oak tree that is about 4' in diameter with a Remington 700, it doesn't come out the other end. Again, completely unscientific.  |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:42pm
My experiment was just to see if I could do it, next time I won't leave the plate behind and take some picts.  ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:47pm
I will not deny that the temptation was definitely there, however, I was proud of myself. When I noticed I was starting to get seriously annoyed I just took the granddaughter and left my son-in-law to clean up the mess with the help of the gun owner. (She had managed to avoid being traumatized by the experience as she was watching "toonies" in her parents room at the time with the door closed so I thought providing trauma by "papa" getting into an altercation in front of her--and the police--was probably a bad idea.)
Not just a grandpa, an awesome and fun grandpa. My wife says it's because I never got past the preteen maturity level when I was growing up. (Which is probably why I fit in so well here on the forum.) -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 2:54pm
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What rounds was he using? If they were mil-surp they could be .30-06 AP.
A decent bonded core or even a monolithic would also be impressive. Of course a run of the mill .30-06 will defeat most light building materials as well. KBK |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 4:12pm
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I have no idea what he was using. However, I did discover the interior walls of the condo are 1" thick fireboard. (Sort of a thick, fireproof, sheet rock.)
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:57pm
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Double post/update: Police directed that the rifle be inspected by a gunsmith and it appears the rifle was faulty. (Don't have specifics yet but it is apparently capable of firing without trigger operation when the bolt is being closed.) While this does make the owner somewhat less culpable, he still had a responsibility to know the chamber was clear; which he failed to do. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:08pm
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That's even more scary. Also, I feel the need to share the fact that there used to be a hole in the upper corner of the roof in the back office room of my grandparent's old house where my grandpa, suspecting that there was an opossum in the roof, got a Marlin .22 and blasted into where the noise was coming from. He was right. He killed the offending opossum. What he failed to realize while shooting is the consequence of his action. He now had a dead opossum in his roof, which took hours of getting into the attic, carefully stepping around the attic over the rest of the house as not to fall through, and fishing the dead thing out, which had bled all over the attic, and getting rid of it, which made the garbage can stink in Florida's heat until garbage day. He couldn't bury it because neighborhood dogs would dig it up. Needless to say, he wished he'd have just let the thing stay in his attic. |
Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:20pm
It just makes it even worst that it's a bolt action...we're not talking about a race gun with a 4 pound trigger pull, it's one of the simplest fire arms...your chamber is open or closed and it doesn't get much simpler.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 3:05am
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Willing to put money on it being a Rem 700, see original comment :p
Watch CNN, they'll tell you all about it. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 9:42am
| out of curiosity, i've been looking at getting a Rem 700, do they have issues with A/D's? |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 9:48am
I am curious about this too. The only A/D I have heard of was because of a "home made" trigger job. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 9:55am
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I don't think this is a widespread problem, unless it's new. I'm pretty sure I woulda heard about it by now if that was the case.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 9:58am
This. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:10am
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http://www.mail-archive.com/cybershooters@compuserve.com/msg02199.html - http://www.mail-archive.com/cybershooters@compuserve.com/msg02199.html http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/a/aacbsnewsrem700_2.htm - http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/a/aacbsnewsrem700_2.html This is what I found thus far and they date back to 2000 and 2001 Fixed.. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:31am
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 11:13am
| That was the one advantage of a spear, they tend not to misfire a whole lot. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 11:23am
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^^^ Not true, I remember my grandfather telling me about a mastodon that got spooked and escaped because of a misfire with a spear. Edit: If I get a chance I will find out what type of rifle it was and post it. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 11:47am
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There has recently been "something" about Remington knowing there is an issue with the FCG on the 700 series, yet they still ship the rifle with the faulty part. The "Walker" trigger unit IIRC.
http://www.drinnonlaw.com/pdf/Complaint%20Rambo%20v.%20Remington.pdf |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 11:52am
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Well hrm. That is bad news, but clearly fixable. Makes me wonder why they haven't fixed it yet... ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 12:15pm
I think your old age is getting to you, I heard it was a stone axe. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 12:21pm
^^^  Nice.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 12:24pm
I am honored Sir! ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 4:24pm
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Update: The rifle was a Tikka. There was plastic material (probably from the manufacturing process) in the trigger group that, in the opinion of the gunsmith, could have caused the trigger to activate when the bolt was returned to the forward position. -------------
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 4:33pm
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^^^^ Sounds like lawsuit time to me. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 4:48pm
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^^^ That will be up to daughter and family. Gun owner has already agreed to reimburse repair expenses and I'm good with that.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 7:18pm
| any chance of the gun owner going after the gun manufacturer or no? i've never heard of a Tikka before |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 7:53pm
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They're foreign made so I would guess if owner goes after anyone it would be local distribution network. (The son-in-law is familiar with them and says they are generally really good guns.) -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 8:01pm
| I'm surprised Tikkas have any plastic at all. They're Finnish guns w/ a good reputation. Flash from plastic casting inside the trigger group would be a major problem. However, with many bolt actions, some people practice releasing the spring tension and saving wear on the firing pin by holding the trigger down while they close the bolt, which in most designs causes a controlled decocking of the firing pin. If the Tikka is new to the owner and does not do this, that could have been part of the cause, aside from being a mo-ran with loads a gun in the house and doesn't check the chamber. |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:51pm
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001570/ - Narrator : A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0236148/ - Business woman on plane : Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001570/ - Narrator : You wouldn't believe. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0236148/ - Business woman on plane : Which car company do you work for? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001570/ - Narrator : A major one. ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 11:15pm
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That was exactly my point, Enos. What's funny is that a small manufacturer would probably feel bound to fix a defect like that. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 11:57am
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Someone posted a story about reported problems with the Rem 700 on FARK this morning with a pretty good headline: ' http://www.fark.com/cgi/go.pl?i=5703534&l=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39762676/ns/business-cnbc_tv/ - Remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Except the Remington Model 700-series rifle. That one apparently can kill people on its own "
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 12:02pm
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There was a spot on NBC news yesterday and supposedly an entire show about it last night on CNBC. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 12:02pm
| its a little disheartening to hear about the remmington 700, i've been looking forward to getting one soon. |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 12:52pm
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I used to own a 700 7mm. Never had a problem but then again not every single rifle is going to have the problem. I got lucky though I feel and never had an issue. Then again I keep my rifles unloaded when not on the range. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 2:51pm
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A good friend of mine has had a 7mm Remington 700 for five or so years, with no issues. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 3:09pm
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I have one as well but mine was made in the 70s. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 4:42pm
| As I understood it the problem part was replaced in 2008, so anything after that date is golden. And anything before 1980 IIRC |