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Posted By: The Reaper
Subject: Politics
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 10:04am
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This is a politics thread, you know the rules, participate if want, but no spamming, or name calling.
First off, look at Mediamatters.org website... They have gone off the deep end. Guess, a huge donation from Soros has consequences.
http://mediamatters.org/ - http://mediamatters.org/
More than 3/4 of the stories right now are bashing either Fox or Glenn Beck...
No matter what your political feelings are, that is going to destroy their "business"... Maybe a little "balance" would be in order?
Course with the Juan Williams flap that NPR just stepped in (during fundraising time) it is no wonder. The hypocrisy is astounding. To fire Juan for stating his feelings, when other NPR personalities do the same daily, and have called for political figures and their children to die from aids, as well as bashing the tea party daily, and promoting Bush hate speech...
Amazing double standard. But, Soros just gave NPR 1.8 million to hire reporters... No way these two things are tied?... right?...
anyway, I saw a political ad that I thought pretty much nailed the current economic crisis. And who exactly is to blame for it...
What do you think?
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 10:44am
I think Fox News is a terrible, disingenuous news organization.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 11:08am
I think I'm going to have my work cut out for me when I get home from work.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 11:18am
Reb Cpl wrote:
I think I'm going to have my work cut out for me when I get home from work. | It's like having 2 jobs isn't it.
I commend him for trying to keep it all in 1 thread though, thats a step forward.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 11:41am
Abortions for all!
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 11:57am
I'm torn on the Juan Williams firing. I tend to lean to the side of the firing being inappropriate. He had been on Fox before, and if you have a problem with it, you should let him know the first time that he cannot/should not be doing that.
He deserved a warning.
But NPR is notoriously over-careful with their image protection. There was just that whole situation of them telling their reporters they can't go to the Stewart/Colbert rally unless they are covering it for NPR, otherwise stay home or else.
That said, what Williams said was eight kinds of stupid. The 9/11 hijackers wore jeans, sneakers and button-up shirts for a reason.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 1:25pm
NPR is all over the map. Having a commentator state that someone and thier family should die of aids and not a peep. But stating something most Americans feel either overt or covertly is a no-no and gets you fired. And thier CEO state Williams should see phychiatrist, how PC was that little GEM from the CEO.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 1:45pm
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But, the 9/11 hijackers were all muslim... Just like the shoe bomber, panty bomber, NYC bombers (including the original World Trade center bombers) who have stated that this is only the beginning.
They are promising to shed more innocent blood...
Pretending that they haven't called us out is pretty pathetic. (although typical of political correctness).
Especially when NPR is funded by the taxpayer to a large extent. (not the 2-3% they keep saying...)
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/how_public_is_nprs_funding.html - http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/how_public_is_nprs_funding.html
Not to mention NPR has no problem with their people opining as long at they are furthering liberal viewpoints. Juan crossed a line by saying something he FELT about muslims... Which is one of the no-no's You can do that toward Christians on NPR all day long, but not muslims...
We all heard the references to Tim McVay being "Christian" when he clearly wasn't, and stated he wasn't over and over... And yet, NPR continues to use him as an example of a "Christian" terrorist...
Let us look at what Juan said.
“I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”
According to NPR...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/10/21/130713285/npr-terminates-contract-with-juan-williams - http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/10/21/130713285/npr-terminates-contract-with-juan-williams
“News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts, and that’s what’s happened in this situation,” said Schiller in an email to NPR member stations, some of which are upset about Williams' firing.
“As you all well know," she continued, "we offer views of all kinds on your air every day, but those views are expressed by those we interview – not our reporters and analysts.”
Why does Nina Totenberg have a job when Juan was run out of NPR?...
"She said about Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) in 1995: “I think he ought to be worried about the — about what’s going on in the good Lord’s mind, because if there’s retributive justice, he’ll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.”"
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/25/national-politically-correct-radio/#ixzz13ORWIKiB - http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/25/national-politically-correct-radio/#ixzz13ORWIKiB
I wonder if PBS has similar standards as NPR?...
What about Gwen?... Here she is openly mocking Palin for her 1773 comment (which was correct btw)
To most of America we see the daily bias, and ignore it, but when they fired Juan... The hypocrisy just went over the edge...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130712737 - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130712737
over 8,600 comments...
And NPR's servers have crashed many times from all the email bombarding them...
"Thursday was a day like none I’ve experienced since coming to NPR in October 2007. Office phone lines rang non-stop like an alarm bell with no off button. We’ve received more than 8,000 emails, a record with nothing a close second."
I know people have biases, but to have them on MY dime to give liberal slant is annoying. America should not be in the business of "funding" news... PBS and NPR should be defunded and work as all other news outlets... as a business.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 1:45pm
High Voltage wrote:
I think Fox News is a terrible, disingenuous news organization.
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And how is CNN or MSNBC any different?
Exact same standards, just different political lean.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:00pm
The Reaper wrote:
. . . if I see people who are in Muslim garb |
Muslim garb?

I wear an Oxford nearly every day. I hope people don't get nervous around me on a plane.
As for the calls to stop funding public media: While I disagree with some of the things they do sometimes, I generally think they are a positive to society. I mean, you don't see that, coming from the far right, but even conservatives on this forum have expressed enjoyment in their news coverage.
I think they tend to do more good than bad. It's certainly interesting that the talking point that both you and OS brought up is 15 years old.
And I don't like Totenberg either, for the record. If Williams got canned, Totenberg should get released too.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:05pm
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Good, we agree...
You want more recent...
There was this that caused a HUGE outrage, and yet, they left it up on their site, and even promoted it after it offended so many members of the Tea party like myself.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120344047&ps=cprs - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120344047&ps=cprs
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Try being informed instead of just opinionated. How long before you admit that Obama was a mistake?
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:11pm
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If you guys are that worried about Muslims, you should probably just lock yourselves inside and sever all ties with the outside world until it's safe.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:14pm
The Reaper wrote:
There was this that caused a HUGE outrage, and yet, they left it up on their site, and even promoted it after it offended so many members of the Tea party like myself. |
There is no right not to be offended. And it is clearly labeled as on opinion piece.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:14pm
If I was scared of Muslims I would be screwed. I am Surrounded by them... Believe it or not, they are actually quite nice. And my homie Sabir links up a discount on my Subs.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:18pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
There was this that caused a HUGE outrage, and yet, they left it up on their site, and even promoted it after it offended so many members of the Tea party like myself.
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There is no right not to be offended. And it is clearly labeled as on opinion piece.
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And Juan was clearly stating his "opinion" as well... but it was a firing offense... That is by definition a double standard.
The Reaper wrote:
“I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.” |
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:25pm
Linus wrote:
High Voltage wrote:
I think Fox News is a terrible, disingenuous news organization.
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And how is CNN or MSNBC any different?
Exact same standards, just different political lean. |
Did you just attempt to justify that behavior?
I agree all of them are terrible, but they aren't the same. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-you-ready-for-some-midterms----msnbc-s-political-narrative - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-you-ready-for-some-midterms----msnbc-s-political-narrative
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:26pm
The Reaper wrote:
agentwhale007 wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
There was this that caused a HUGE outrage, and yet, they left it up on their site, and even promoted it after it offended so many members of the Tea party like myself.
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There is no right not to be offended. And it is clearly labeled as on opinion piece.
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And Juan was clearly stating his "opinion" as well... but it was a firing offense... That is by definition a double standard.
The Reaper wrote:
“I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.” | |
New Animation From Independent Syndicated Columnist Mark Fiore
You can't fire someone who doesn't work for you.
Also, http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05 - http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05 It would do you good* to read this.
*Really, in your case, it would do you bad because it proves your beliefs about Muslims to be patently false and would be grounds for you to admit being wrong, which we all know can never be allowed to happen.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:28pm
The Reaper wrote:
And Juan was clearly stating his "opinion" as well... but it was a firing offense... That is by definition a double standard. |
Not really.
The difference here is that the opinion comic/slide-show/cartoon thing is posted on the NPR site, and I'm assuming that an editor in charge of the opinions section posted it with clearance from other editors or someone higher up. It is contained within the NPR mast.
Williams was on another person's show on another network voicing his opinion.
Appearance of unbiased reporting within their news departments is something they pride themselves on - to a fault at times too. They take it too far.
Like I've said, I disagree with their decisions concerning Williams and the Stewart/Colbert order.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:34pm
GroupB wrote:
Also, http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05 - http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05
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The politics surrounding Williams being fired aside, what he said, just on its merits, was dumb.
The 9/11 hijackers made a note of wearing neat, pressed business clothes in order to not seem suspicious.

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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:42pm
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You keep repeating that they were dressed like "normal"... Would focusing on people with muslim type names and running them through more security be prudent then?... IF someone at NPR suggested that, wouldn't they be fired for speaking the logic you are presenting?...
They are using political correctness against us, as they pass by the grandma or child being pulled out of line for more extreme searches... Because we can't check someone named muhammid as that wouldn't be politically correct...
The whole situation is a mess.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:46pm
The Reaper wrote:
You keep repeating that they were dressed like "normal"... |
Yes. Because Williams made a point of being afraid of people wearing "Muslim garb."
It's worth pointing out that the people who did the things to make him afraid did not wear "Muslim garb."
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:51pm
The Reaper wrote:
Would focusing on people with muslim type names and running them through more security be prudent then?... |
I'm confused also as to how that would work. Who would determine if a name was "Muslim" or not? I know quite a few Muslims with Western names.
At what point in the flying process would names be checked? What would they be checking for? What is the "Running through security" thing you're talking about and how would it be different than our current No-Fly list?
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 2:55pm
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First off, this is a very limited picture... 2002-2005... Three years, which clearly doesn't represent what we are facing right now, or what happened 9/11... But, I will highlight what you must have missed when you read the entire thing... The introduction is a brief overview and it paints the picture I already had in my mind as to who is attacking our country.
Terrorism 2002-2005
Introduction
This edition of Terrorism highlights significant terrorism-related events in the United States and selected FBI investigative efforts overseas that occurred during the years 2002 through 2005. Additionally, this report provides a wide range of statistical data relating to terrorism in the United States during the past two decades. This material is presented to provide readers with an historical framework for the examination of contemporary terrorism issues.
In keeping with a longstanding trend, domestic extremists carried out the majority of terrorist incidents during this period. Twenty three of the 24 recorded terrorist incidents were perpetrated by domestic terrorists. With the exception of a white supremacist’s firebombing of a synagogue in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, all of the domestic terrorist incidents were committed by special interest extremists active in the animal rights and environmental movements (these are typically liberal minded individuals). The acts committed by these extremists typically targeted materials and facilities rather than persons. The sole international terrorist incident in the United States recorded for this period involved an attack at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport, which claimed the lives of two victims.
The terrorism preventions for 2002 through 2005 present a more diverse threat picture. Eight of the 14 recorded terrorism preventions (It is hard to take seriously "preventions" as nothing actually happened... in many cases)stemmed from right-wing extremism, and included disruptions to plotting by individuals involved with the militia, white supremacist, constitutionalist and tax protestor, and anti-abortion movements. The remaining preventions included disruptions to plotting by an anarchist in Bellingham, Washington, who sought to bomb a U.S. Coast Guard station; a plot to attack an Islamic center in Pinellis Park, Florida; and a plot by prison-originated, Muslim convert group to attack U.S. military, Jewish, and Israeli targets in the greater Los Angeles area. In addition, three preventions involved individuals who sought to provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations, including al-Qa’ida, for attacks within the United States.
Whereas the violent global jihadist movement manifested itself primarily in terrorism preventions in the United States from 2002 through 2005, internationally the movement claimed major attacks against U.S. and Western targets that resulted in American casualties. Most of these incidents were perpetrated by regional jihadist groups operating in primarily Muslim countries, and included attacks committed by Indonesia-based Jemaah Islamiya and al-Qa’ida in the Arabian Peninsula. The coordinated suicide bombing of London’s mass transit system by homegrown jihadists, however, brought the violent jihadist movement and the tactic of suicide bombing to a major European capital.
In addition to these incidents and preventions, the years 2002 through 2005 saw the resolutions to high-profile prosecutions in the fight against terrorism. These included the October 4, 2002, sentencing of John Walker Lindh to 20-years in prison for conspiring with the Taliban to kill U.S. citizens; the January 30, 2003, sentencing of Richard Colvin Reid to life in prison for attempting to bomb a transcontinental flight using a shoe bomb; the December 2003 sentencings of the Lackawanna Six terror cell members, who received prison terms ranging from seven to 10 years for providing material support or resources to al-Qa’ida; the sentencings in 2003 and 2004 of members of a Portland terrorist cell, who received prison terms ranging from three to 18 years for plotting to provide assistance to the Taliban and al-Qa’ida in fighting against U.S. troops in Afghanistan; the September 29, 2004, sentencing inYemeni court of six individuals for their roles in the USS Cole bombing, two of whom received the death penalty; the April 6, 2005, sentencing of Matthew Hale, leader of the white supremacist Creativity Movement, to 40 years in prison for solicitation of violence and obstruction of justice; the July 18, 2005, sentencing of Eric Robert Rudolph to life in prison for perpetrating several bombings, including the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta, Georgia; the April 26, 2005, sentencing of Ali Al-Timimi to life in prison for encouraging others to receive military training from the designated foreign terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Tayyiba to fight U.S. troops in Afghanistan; and the August 30, 2005, sentencing of white supremacist Sean Michael Gillespie to 39 years for the synagogue firebombing in Oklahoma City.
FBI counterterrorism initiatives since the 9/11 terrorist attack have focused on preventing future attacks through the timely gathering, analysis, and dissemination of information; the facilitation of appropriate sharing of terrorism-related information between federal, state, and local partners; and the advancement of intelligence and law enforcement partnerships worldwide. FBI and U.S. counterterrorism organizational changes from 2002 through 2005 include the creation of the National Joint Terrorism Task Force; the establishment of the Foreign Terrorist Tracking Task Force; the consolidation of government terrorist watch lists into the Terrorist Screening Center; the creation of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security; and the restructuring of the U.S. Intelligence Community under the newly created Office of the Director of National Intelligence. These and other federal initiatives are discussed in greater detail in the concluding In Focus retrospective of the FBI’s counterterrorism program.
What were you saying again groupb?...
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:03pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
You keep repeating that they were dressed like "normal"... |
Yes. Because Williams made a point of being afraid of people wearing "Muslim garb."
It's worth pointing out that the people who did the things to make him afraid did not wear "Muslim garb."
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Agreed, I see your point.
So the fear of muslims would be OK, just not someone wearing muslim garb as the terrorists wouldn't wear that...
Have you ever flown on El Al flight?... They have security down to an art. And they even give you a steak knife to cut your steak.
But, political correctness would never let them just ask questions... and "profile" people...
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/aviation-security-and-the-israeli-model/ - http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/aviation-security-and-the-israeli-model/
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:11pm
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Scroll down to the bottom.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:13pm
The Reaper wrote:
So the fear of muslims would be OK, just not someone wearing muslim garb as the terrorists wouldn't wear that... |
If you are asking me, personally, I don't fear Muslims.
But I do look at the facts of how terrorists have dressed, and compare them to what Williams said. In which case, Williams makes no sense.
But, political correctness would never let them just ask questions... and "profile" people...
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I'm curious as to what the procedure for profiling would be. How would you propose it work?
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:16pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
So the fear of muslims would be OK, just not someone wearing muslim garb as the terrorists wouldn't wear that... |
If you are asking me, personally, I don't fear Muslims.
But I do look at the facts of how terrorists have dressed, and compare them to what Williams said. In which case, Williams makes no sense.
But, political correctness would never let them just ask questions... and "profile" people...
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I'm curious as to what the procedure for profiling would be. How would you propose it work? |
Do it exactly like Israel does... As that clearly works.
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/aviation-security-and-the-israeli-model/ - http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/aviation-security-and-the-israeli-model/
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:22pm
The Reaper wrote:
Do it exactly like Israel does... As that clearly works.
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So you'd be fine with the extremely increased wait times and flight costs of implementing the Israeli system - which does work, in a country of 7.3 million - in the United States, which has a population of 310 million?
You think that would work?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:33pm
I did a little counting for comparison purposes on this topic.
The United States has 78 airports with an average of more than one million departing passengers per-year. Not counting any of the other hundreds of airports in the country.
Israel has 29 airports. Total. Only two of which are reported as being international airports.
**EDIT** I was wrong. I counted landing strips as air ports.
Israel has 12 airports in the entire country.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:33pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
Do it exactly like Israel does... As that clearly works. |
So you'd be fine with the extremely increased wait times and flight costs of implementing the Israeli system - which does work, in a country of 7.3 million - in the United States, which has a population of 310 million?
You think that would work?
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Yes, I think it would work. You do realize that you are suppost to arrive 2 hours before a flight now, right?...
The canard that good security = costlier and more time consuming than our current security is silly.
Clearly you haven't ever looked at wal-mart logistics... They ship products all over the world and have every single piece accounted for at all times. AND sell for the lowest prices around.
Course they have business people running things instead of politicians.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 3:46pm
The Reaper wrote:
You do realize that you are suppost to arrive 2 hours before a flight now, right?... |
Supposed to, and actually do, are two very different things. It depends on the airport. At Orlando International, I arrive two hours early. At Port Columbus and Kansas City International (Which I love), I arrive a half-hour to 45 minutes, maximum.
The canard that good security = costlier and more time consuming than our current security is silly. |
Thinking that we could adapt the Israeli method without more expense and time is quite silly: - With the volume of passengers the U.S. deals with on a regular basis, how exactly is having an interview with each passenger going to not slow the process down considerably? Especially in massive hubs like New York, Atlanta and L.A.?
- You're going to have to hire people who are qualified to do such an interview and make such a judgment, and they are not going to work for cheap. It works in Israel because there are two international airports. In the U.S., like I pointed out, there 78 airports with more than one million departures, some with much, much more. We also have more airlines. Many, many more. So not only are you replacing lower-paid TSA workers with expensive interviewing agents, you're doing it on an EXTREMELY mass scale.
- Not only that, you are laying off the TSA in the same massive scale.
Clearly you haven't ever looked at wal-mart logistics... AND sell for the lowest prices around. |
Wal*Mart's shipping logistics work nothing like, and are in no way comparable to, airport security.
Course they have business people running things instead of politicians. |
I'll remember that the next time Hilary Clinton gets brought up in discussion.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 25 October 2010 at 9:21pm
The Reaper wrote:
logic |
That word....
The Reaper wrote:
Course they have business people running things instead of politicians. |
I'm pretty sure bar-codes and similar technologies help as well.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 8:08am
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So if you get pulled out of line for a more extensive security screening, and you didn't show up 2 hours before hand, would you then complain for missing your flight?... Since you chose to break the rules they had laid out before you?
Just wondering at what point we all start to take personal responsibilities for our actions?...
Speaking of personal responsibilities, back to the Juan thing, because there are new developments.
First off, can you name for me 5 2 1 conservative journalist with a similar position as Juan on NPR currently?
Hmm... Since we all agree that everyone has bias, interesting that a publicly funded organization would only have journalist that are from one side of the political divide...
So much so that a liberal like Juan is fired for going to the middle... And further according to polls 70% of Americans agree with Juan...
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/25/npr-affiliate-managers-voice-discontent-firing-juan-williams?test=latestnews - http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/25/npr-affiliate-managers-voice-discontent-firing-juan-williams?test=latestnews
" Among the issues with which Schiller has been confronted in recent days was why NPR has not sought to make any change to the status of other NPR journalists - such as longtime legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg - who, like Williams, have appeared regularly on other TV outlets, freely dispensing opinions. NPR told Fox News late Friday no change was being considered in the status of Totenberg or Mara Liasson, NPR's national political correspondent, who, like Williams, is also a Fox News contributor.
In telephone interviews with Fox News this week, general managers of several stations affiliated with NPR spoke sharply about Schiller's performance in the episode. Janet Campbell, general manager at Kansas station KANU, said she did not believe Williams should have been fired at all, and that she "absolutely" saw a double standard at work in the network's treatment of Williams and Totenberg.
"I think it had to do with the network he was on," said Campbell, who has served as KANU's general manager for fifteen years. "I thought it was a knee-jerk reaction. And I was extremely disappointed at [Schiller's] remarks in Atlanta. I thought that was very childish. Someone in charge of such a large organization should know better."
Speaking at a newsmakers' luncheon at the Atlanta Press Club on Thursday, when controversy over Williams's firing was still fresh and reaching a feverish peak in news media circles, Schiller said Williams's feelings about Muslim airlines passengers should be between him and his "psychiatrist or him and his publicist, take your pick." Schiller apologized to Williams later that afternoon, calling her remark hasty and "thoughtless.""
Juan should sue for slander, and to admit that they were targeting Juan, and not the other two sure points at a huge bias of some sort... Notice a difference between Juan and the other people who are kept around..
Oh yeah, he is black...
I wonder how many black news analysts NPR has now?...
O'Reilly did some investigative journalism and sent a reporter over to talk to Schiller...
Ever wondered what "talking points" look like... heh, heh...
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/o-reilly-factor-ambush-interview-video - http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/o-reilly-factor-ambush-interview-video
So NPR stands for NO Political Respect (unless you take a HARD left viewpoint on everything)
By kicking Juan off NPR maybe Schiller was just "sending Juan to the back of the bus"... Since Fox is the worst news organization according to their own reporting...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101025/ap_on_el_pr/us_obama - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101025/ap_on_el_pr/us_obama
"He said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.""
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 8:24am
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Maybe this "walking around money" is used to buy Ice Cream after democrat voting?...
INB4 HV whines about editing my posts...
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 8:47am
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American Thinker just posted an article, that really nails the NPR bias.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/journalistic_malpractice_and_n.html - http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/journalistic_malpractice_and_n.html
" Though partially funded by our tax dollars, NPR continues to practice a long history of bias. For example NPR labels one "conservative" and "right wing" at a staggeringly higher rate than "liberal" or "left wing." Search their website and a pattern begins to emerge;
"conservative activist" 118 results "liberal activist" 51 results
"conservative justice" 23 "liberal justice" 17 results
"right wing" 1680 results "left wing" 450 results
NPR's choice of stories is also revealing.
‘Joe Wilson" 190 results ‘Charlie Rangel' 158 results
Charlie Rangel has been in Congress since 1970 and has been under ethics investigations for nearly 2 years. Joe Wilson has only been in Congress since 2006 -- yet for some reason Mr. Wilson seems to have garnered more attention from NPR than the graft, greed and blatant corruption of the man who writes the tax code for the entire country. Why?
Another search includes abortion provider George Tiller, who was murdered in Kansas in 2009 -- and James Pouillon, the Pro Life activist who was murdered in Michigan during that same year.
‘George Tiller' 69 results ‘James Pouillon' 1 result
Tiller has become the poster boy for "choice" while NPR has deemed Pouillon's murder unworthy to discuss or report. Why? The disparity in the attention each of these topics received is revealing."
"Since September 2009, I've regularly contacted NPR about these and other biases, but have yet to receive a response that addresses my concerns. I wish to know why the murder of James Pouillon is ignored, why the tax cheating of Charlie Rangel is dismissed, why the bumbling incompetence of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd remain unquestioned during numerous interviews. I want to know why White House Communications Director http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiBDpL2dExY - was ignored. I would like an answer as to why it was not reported that President Obama's Green Jobs "Czar" Van Jones was a 9/11 truther and a http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m7d17-Van-Jones-Green-Jobs-Czar-a-selfdescribed-communist-arrested-during-Rodney-King-riots - . Why does NPR continue to ignore the ACORN corruption? I would like to know what NPR policy could possibly explain the disparity of labels such as "conservative" or "right wing" compared to the terms "liberal" or "left wing."
The Media, including NPR, have been culpable in their lack of coverage and slanting of facts. I can readily provide many more instances of this blatant disparity. Each of us should challenge NPR, a tax funded entity, to answer why they've treated these and other stories in such a questionable and partisan manner. As a tax funded entity, NPR owes us that. "
and here is a media study on NPR showing their long record of anti-Israel discrimination and bias.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=4&x_outlet=28&x_article=75 - http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=4&x_outlet=28&x_article=75
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 10:50am
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Oh, lookie, another democrat hiding assets...
And it is "Ma'am Senator" too, Chairman of the Senate Ethics committee...
http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2010/10/26/foundation-requests-holder-investigate-boxer/ - http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2010/10/26/foundation-requests-holder-investigate-boxer/
Funny how this comes out a days after Obama does a fundraiser with Google, the same day it comes out Google is manipulating their company to pay minimal taxes...
Liberals get different rules than the rest of us.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 10:58am
Did you just bottle up the over-reactionary OUTRAGE for those couple weeks you were too upset to post? Nice quad post, you know that's against the rules, right? Surely a wannabe-mod like you would realize this and learn to use the edit button.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 1:36pm
The Reaper wrote:
So much so that a liberal like Juan is fired for going to the middle... And further according to polls 70% of Americans agree with Juan...
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Just proves that 70% of Americans are actually retarded.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 2:06pm
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Lookie, more voting "irregularities" weird how they always help democrats...
That is so strange...
http://www.newbernsj.com/articles/machine-91656-screen-voter.html - http://www.newbernsj.com/articles/machine-91656-screen-voter.html
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25511115/detail.html - http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25511115/detail.html
http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/10/22/az-group-accused-of-massive-voter-fraud-is-offshoot-of-seiu/ - http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/10/22/az-group-accused-of-massive-voter-fraud-is-offshoot-of-seiu/
This is how they did it in the past...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 3:51pm
Jesus Christ FE, edit moar. I can concede we all pull off a double post every now and then, but this is getting ridiculous.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 4:01pm
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The Reaper wrote:
Would focusing on people with muslim type names and running them through more security be prudent then?... |
I'm confused also as to how that would work. Who would determine if a name was "Muslim" or not? I know quite a few Muslims with Western names.
At what point in the flying process would names be checked? What would they be checking for? What is the "Running through security" thing you're talking about and how would it be different than our current No-Fly list?
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Profiling Muslims gets nothing done. There are flights packed with, serviced by, and piloted by Muslims coming from and going to the Middle East and other areas of high Islamic concentration every day. It isn't the religion that's the direct cause, it's exposure to religious/political extremism.
And while we're posting random links to videos and whatnot...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 4:28pm
^I hate people.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 4:47pm
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And then you see something like this...
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20101026/NEWS010702/10270330/ - http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20101026/NEWS010702/10270330/
Take away the gunz...
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 5:04pm
Says he was in Over-the-Rhine, makes sense to me.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 27 October 2010 at 12:18pm
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 27 October 2010 at 2:41pm
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Hey look... I found a "non-Partisan" voter fraud case!
Maybe he was a republican... Lets look into that.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25536806/detail.html - http://www.wftv.com/news/25536806/detail.html
Here is his facebook page...
http://www.facebook.com/pages/vote-to-re-elect-Derrick-Henry-for-Daytona-Beach-Zone-5-Commissioner/102134349831558?v=app_2373072738#!/pages/vote-to-re-elect-Derrick-Henry-for-Daytona-Beach-Zone-5-Commissioner/102134349831558?v=wall - http://www.facebook.com/pages/vote-to-re-elect-Derrick-Henry-for-Daytona-Beach-Zone-5-Commissioner/102134349831558?v=app_2373072738#!/pages/vote-to-re-elect-Derrick-Henry-for-Daytona-Beach-Zone-5-Commissioner/102134349831558?v=wall
Oh wait, he was a vice principle at a public high school... nevermind probably a big donkey.
And speaking of the rampant Democratic voter fraud going on right now... American Thinker had an excellent article about the phenomenom. With many of the same points I have been offering over the past year or two...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/the_democrats_final_recourse_m.html - http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/the_democrats_final_recourse_m.html
"The reports are rolling in from all over the country. A Craven County, NC resident http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/voting-fraud-concerns-nc-and-nevada - a straight Republican ticket but his choices come up straight Democrat four times, despite receiving assistance from poll workers. In NC's Lenoir County, registered Democrat Ervin Norville also http://www.enctoday.com/news/screen-69164-kfpress-touch-voters.html - straight Republican but finds that his ballot has the names of several Democrat candidates selected. Boulder City, NV resident Joyce Ferrara http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25511115/detail.html - that when she and several others went to vote for Sharon Angle, they found that Senator Harry Reid's name was already checked off. In Dallas County, TX' http://texasgopvote.com/2010-elections/texas-elections/problems-reported-across-texas-early-voters-poll-watchers-harassed-what-you-can-do-001961 - , Democrat Eddie Bernice Johnson's name was the only one on the ballot in a few locations (no, she isn't running unopposed). And some states have been late in mailing out military absentee ballots, whose recipients, interestingly, are known for their Republican leanings.
These happenings are generally referred to as "mistakes" and "glitches," but if that's all they are, then we're witnessing a truly historic anomaly. Because either the mainstream media is now suppressing stories of mistakes and glitches benefitting Republicans, or the laws of probability have suddenly been rescinded and tossed coins are coming up donkey tails every time. Welcome to American elections, Venezuelan style.
I have long said that this election would see vote fraud of unprecedented magnitude. And it does seem that a perfect storm of such criminality is brewing. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just struck down an Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to vote, a treasonous act that facilitates vote fraud. Of course, some liberals are more forthcoming about their intentions; in Portland, ME and New York City, there is a push to allow http://washingtonindependent.com/101358/bucking-anti-immigrant-trend-some-communities-push-for-non-citizen-voting - . Not to be outdone, San Francisco seeks to allow even illegal aliens to cast ballots in school elections. Hey, why not? They're not illegals - they're undocumented Democrats.
Then there is the matter of the fox guarding the polling house. It has now http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Voting-machines-in-Clark-County-Nevada-automatically-checking-Harry-Reids-name-Voting-machine-technicians-are-members-of-SEIU-105815608.html - that the technicians who work on the Nevada voting machines that have been checking off Harry Reid's name are members of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), a leftist organization that has given tens of millions of dollars to Democrats. (By the way, do you remember all the complaints about "antiquated" paper ballots after the 2000 election? I knew that all the talk about "hanging chads" and the need for modern technology would lead to vote fraud. After all, now elections can be swayed by a well-placed, skilled hacker and there's no paper trail.)
Add to this the fact that the left is more brazen than ever. For one thing, laymen liberals, like their judges, are very influenced by precedent. And the liberal delusion that George W. Bush stole the 2000 election - thus drawing first blood - gives leftists a handy rationalization for actually stealing elections. Second, Barack Obama's DOJ's refusal to prosecute the Philadelphia Black Panthers - despite videotape evidence of their voter intimidation - sends the message that the left has almost carte blanche to sway elections by any means necessary.
Most of all, though, we have to remember that leftists are, well, leftists. They are simply much more corrupt than those on the right. I know, this sounds like blind partisanship, so I'll explain.
I'll introduce this with a http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_W8gSTXD2hoPt7yZF6wHhFN - by former military-intelligence man Ralph Peters about how you could understand the Taliban: You have to view them as aliens. His point was that most people have trouble conceiving of mindsets radically different from their own and, consequently, often mistakenly assume that others operate by the same principles they do. Even liberals recognize this phenomenon - when they warn of "ethnocentrism." I, however, am more concerned about conservocentrism.
If you're an average bright-eyed conservative and you really want to understand leftists, begin by viewing them as aliens. Because they really aren't like you, and the difference isn't simply ideology, either. They truly are far more dishonest, deceitful and manipulative than conservatives.
In explaining why this is so, I'll again draw an analogy to Islamists. Many have pointed out that Western and Islamic thought dictate very different things with respect to honesty. While the West's formative religion, Christianity, teaches that lying is a sin, period, Islam states that lying to an infidel for the glory of Allah is a good. In other words, Christians can lie, but they must commit what they consider a sin to do so. Muslims can do so with what they view as divine approval.
Another difference is that Islamic thought includes a concept known as "dual truth," which basically states, /2006/12/islam_and_the_problem_of_ratio.html - American Thinker's Patrick Poole, "that what may be true in the realm of religion may be contrary to what is true in nature." Thus, even if an action is forbidden in Islamic texts, Muslims may be able to take it in the "real world." It's always convenient when you have more than one "truth" with which to justify behavior.
This brings us to liberals. Like Islamists, they have more than one "truth" from which to choose, something they readily admit to with pronouncements such as "That is your truth; someone else's might be different." To be precise, however, they use the word "truth" loosely, as a synonym for taste, and don't actually believe in Truth, properly defined (i.e., divinely ordained morality). They are moral relativists.
What does this mean? It means the sky - or perhaps I should say the netherworld - is the limit for behavior restrictions. Unlike Islamists, they don't have to find their justifications in medieval texts or complex philosophical contortions, as their credo is simple: "If it feels good, do it." Without belief in anything that transcends man to use as a yardstick for behavior, they ultimately have nothing left to use but the "god within," which is just a gussied-up name for emotion. And their emotion-driven ends really do justify their means. If they feel conservatives are "evil," conservatives must be. And if they feel that any tactic necessary to vanquish that evil is fair game, it must be. Understand that beneath the light of their deified feelings, lying, cheating or stealing to win elections is not merely justifiable - it is a "good," and one they do with the only approval they need: self-approval. They are aliens from a planet much like the Hell described by the Devil in an old comic strip (in The New Yorker, I think) when he said, "There's no right or wrong down here. It's whatever works for you." It is a place where there is a wall of separation between man and Truth.
And the truth is that in this election, as in every one, some races will be close enough so that vote fraud can be a factor. So how should we proceed once results are in? First, conservatives need an attitude adjustment: They have to understand the nature of their enemy (as outlined above) and become warriors. We mustn't for a moment entertain the notion that the best thing for the nation after a suspicious loss is to concede the race graciously. Rather, the best thing for the nation is to oust the alien vote-snatchers from power by any moral means necessary.
Second, we must recognize that razor-close races almost always go Democrat for a reason (think: Al Franken in Minnesota) and view every such loss as a probable vote-fraud scenario. Then we must analyze exit polling - which has become a very precise science - for discrepancies between its findings and election results. And when they are found, the matter must be sifted to the very bottom.
Alien vote-snatchers are worse than murderers. They not only steal votes but also our future; they undermine the rule of law and threaten the republic itself. In a saner time, they would probably be hanged. And if it becomes apparent that the government - the Eric Holder DOJ, judges and others - has become so corrupt that it will preserve its power by negating the votes of the people, then we should consider our Founding Fathers' words: "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...."
Let's see if the attempt at alteration works this November 2."
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 8:56am
Tolgak wrote:
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What is remarkable, is that at this event there were two different people assaulted. One had to have medical treatment, and got zero press... But the activist, is now a martyr. (clearly the guy who stomped her was in the wrong though).
What is amazing is the way the tea party guy who got his finger bitten off, that wasn't a story. Or the beatdown by the SEIU thugs on Kenneth Glandney that put him in the hospital... Neither of which were national stories...
http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/03/03/court-date-set-for-the-kenneth-gladney-beatdown-case/ - http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/03/03/court-date-set-for-the-kenneth-gladney-beatdown-case/
But, this activist... Now she is a victim, especially when she told her story about being chased from the front of the car and trying to "get away" from the mob... Uh, oh... someone was shooting video and it destroys her credibility, as it shows her shoving the sign in Rand Pauls face. (assault with a sign?...)
Anyway, only one news source will cover this I bet... Let's look at their biased unfair coverage...
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 1:41pm
That video did seem non biased and fair.
I can't stand fox news or any other american news source. Mainly because they always have an opinion. The fact that this story (lady stomping) is getting so much coverage is evidence of the messed up priorities. It's as if all the news sources are tabloid papers and I and the vast majority of people in Britain know to take what they say with a pinch of salt. I'm sure it's the same is America but the amount of coverage this booorriinngg partisan pish gets is silly Every time one of these teabag / pesky lefty stories comes around I can't usually find anything interesting or realisticly relevant. Get over it.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 2:06pm
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Oh those funny muslims...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hm768caWGSlng4ZCt3Q3UCugHw3A?docId=CNG.1c0deb9a078abb75407df7bd2e269b2e.3c1 - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hm768caWGSlng4ZCt3Q3UCugHw3A?docId=CNG.1c0deb9a078abb75407df7bd2e269b2e.3c1
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 3:40pm
The Reaper wrote:
Oh those funny muslims...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hm768caWGSlng4ZCt3Q3UCugHw3A?docId=CNG.1c0deb9a078abb75407df7bd2e269b2e.3c1 - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hm768caWGSlng4ZCt3Q3UCugHw3A?docId=CNG.1c0deb9a078abb75407df7bd2e269b2e.3c1
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 3:45pm
I legitimately need to see nothing more of that "stomping" video. That guy was obviously in the wrong no matter what she did, unless she was beating people with her sign.
High five on keeping it in one thread though 
EDIT: That fox news trying to say the woman caused her "stomping" is pretty biased and unfair. She was grabbed before she even had a chance to stick a sign into the car, but obviously that is what she was doing.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 3:53pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
Oh those funny muslims...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hm768caWGSlng4ZCt3Q3UCugHw3A?docId=CNG.1c0deb9a078abb75407df7bd2e269b2e.3c1 - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hm768caWGSlng4ZCt3Q3UCugHw3A?docId=CNG.1c0deb9a078abb75407df7bd2e269b2e.3c1
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Yes, because Christians are so well known for cussing out a wedding couple during the wedding ceremony in other languages... oh wait...
You will have to show me an example of that, your pot kettle attempt just failed.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 4:34pm
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Yeah, the example MUST be that specific or FE is right about everything.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 5:08pm
I was more so referring to your almost constant attacks, insults, condescending, generalizing, and other demeaning references to anyone at all who disagrees with you, such as, but not limited to, atheists, liberals, democrats, socialists, public school students, almost any of Americas current youth, Muslims, humanists, homosexuals, illegal aliens, Any member of the media not related to FOX, etc.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 8:00am
The Reaper wrote:
This is a politics thread, you know the rules, participate if want, but no spamming, or name calling.
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__sneaky__ wrote:
I was more so referring to your almost constant attacks, insults, condescending, generalizing, and other demeaning references to anyone at all who disagrees with you, such as, but not limited to, atheists, liberals, democrats, socialists, public school students, almost any of Americas current youth, Muslims, humanists, homosexuals, illegal aliens, Any member of the media not related to FOX, etc. |
Stop making stuff up, and spamming my thread. We all get it, you don't like me... personally... Even though you have never met me, and you feel it necessary to make unsubstantiated statements about me that have nothing to do with the thread or topic at hand. You could actually copy and paste my words if you have a problem with something that I actually said... But, you don't do that, you just attempt to call me out by making blanket statements with no proof...
Since clearly you are unable to be mature and not stoop to making stuff up about me and misrepresenting my positions. Why don't you just ignore my one thread on the forum?
So typical, you can't debate any of the many discussions going on here and instead slander me... Clearly I am responsible for the voter fraud, and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 9:04am
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Voter Fraud, corruption and Democratic "strategy" using google... You know, the huge greedy corporation that has http://gizmodo.com/5669971/googles-shady-tax-evasion-practices-screw-the-government-and-you-out-of-31-billion%20 - offshore tax manipulation down to a science... and helps http://biggovernment.com/kboehm/2010/10/28/ftc-drops-investigation-of-google-less-than-a-week-after-company-execs-host-obama-fundraiser/ - Obama raise funds for Democrats... yeah, that google.
http://bigjournalism.com/libertychick/2010/10/29/tea-partiers-outraged-over-democratic-tea-party-plants-fraudulent-google-ads/ - http://bigjournalism.com/libertychick/2010/10/29/tea-partiers-outraged-over-democratic-tea-party-plants-fraudulent-google-ads/
So Democrats in NJ put up a fake tea party candidate... and are funding google ads to promote him on the web.
Guess openly lying to the people is now the accepted practice of the Democratic party.
In Florida, Clinton tried to force the http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44337.html - black democrat Meeks out so that democrats would vote for the former RINO...
And those voting "irregularities" in Nevada... Well, they figured out why Reid's name was already checked when people went in to vote... But, http://www.lvrj.com/news/audit-resolves-questions-of-irregularities-105990348.html - they won't tell why until AFTER all the votes are cast. The contract to "fix" the machines http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/27/watchdog-warns-seiu-contract-nevada-voting-machines-poses-fraud-concern/ - is by SEIU . Even though the systems are now "fixed" the http://www.nevadanewsbureau.com/2010/10/27/nevada-secretary-of-state-says-no-evidence-of-vote-fraud/ - Secretary of state of Nevada , says there was NO EVIDENCE of a problem. DOH!
Democrats in Philly were upset all the other states were "getting out to vote" better than they were... So they figured out http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/28/2010/october/27/residents-cry-foul-over-ballots.html - how to compete with the vote fraud going on all over the country.
Most disturbing that I have heard is from my area. No news stories on this yet, but a local watering hole that is owned by a guy I know who's lunchtime clients include union postal carriers in his democratic leaning area who were overheard talking about how easy it is to just "lose" the filled out absentee ballots of houses that have republican signs in their yard...
And just a little reminder from Nancy Pelosi. Her guarantee of NO NEW DEFICIT spending in 2007. Protecting our kids from a mountain of debt.
So far, she has signed off on $5,000,000,000,000.00 worth of deficit spending. ($5 TRILLION, since she took over the budget... And this year she didn't even PASS a budget!)
These many examples show us that democrats lie and cheat. Whatever they can do to stay in power.
Republicans of the past were becoming Democrat light, that is why they were soundly beat. But, now it seems that they have gotten the message, as they have voted against the Obama agenda as a group so much that Obama has labeled them the "party of No", and hopefully the public will hold them accountable (if they win next week) to actually CUT spending, and CUT the budget, and CUT taxes.
Then as a business man, I can quit worrying about cap and tax, and http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304510704575562643804015252.html - massive new healthcare taxes and get back to running my businesses and making money... And hiring people... It is shocking that people would still support the government after http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/148968.html - the huge mess they http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/26/health-care-mandate-barack-obama-opinions-contributors-merrill-matthews.html - created with Obamacare . The costs http://www.verumserum.com/?p=18038 - are way more than the democrats promised, you http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/30/no-you-cant-keep-your-health-c - can't keep your doctor or current plan, and they didn't fix the frivolous lawsuits that http://www.physiciansagainstobamacare.org/editorial-by-doctor-dorin.html - cause so much of the high cost of healthcare.
So if massive unemployment, the largest increase in food stamps ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/22/business/main6982095.shtml - 1 in 8 now on foodstamps ), largest increase in taxes on January 1st, massive energy costs if they ram through cap and tax, or by sneaking it using EPA, and massive home foreclosures are "the change we needed". Vote Democrat.
If you want the government to shrink, and reduce their burden on society, by lowering taxes and reducing waste, and fraud, allowing businesses to be able to focus on their business instead of what the government is messing up daily... Vote Republican.
But, however you vote, CHECK YOUR BALLOT before you leave, as too many instances of votes "changing" or party line tickets having both parties selected, or the opposite, are coming in to fast to ignore.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 10:04am
The Reaper wrote:
and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait. |
'Muslim protectionism'? Would that be the part where we don't share your irrational paranoia of the 1.3 billion Muslim boogeymen on the earth, the vast majority of whom are not at all dissimilar from us- except in a surprising number of cases more industrious, courteous, and generally decent than many people living in the west?
Yeah, sorry, but refusing to bow to right wing generated fear of Muslims does not equate to protectionism. I for one am proud to say that I will happily protect the dignity and equality of any person who hasn't done anything to harm myself or others.
Your ignorantly held racism against Muslims - yes, I said racism; report me - and the revulsion we feel whenever it's so plainly on display does not equate to 'protectionism'. I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, no more than you, fortunately, are representative of the vast majority of decent, tolerant Christians.
But let's not let reality cloud your blind ideology and cultivated paranoia.
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 10:35am
And brihard tells it how it is.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:11am
brihard wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait. |
'Muslim protectionism'? Would that be the part where we don't share your http://www.macon.com/2010/10/28/1318365/the-fear-is-real.html - irrational paranoia of the 1.3 billion Muslim boogeymen on the earth, the vast majority of whom are not at all dissimilar from us- except in a surprising number of cases more industrious, courteous, and generally decent than many people living in the west?
Yeah, sorry, but refusing to bow to right wing generated fear of Muslims does not equate to protectionism. I for one am proud to say that I will happily protect the dignity and equality of any person who hasn't done anything to harm myself or others.
Your ignorantly held racism against Muslims - yes, I said racism; report me - and the revulsion we feel whenever it's so plainly on display does not equate to 'protectionism'. I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, no more than you, fortunately, are representative of the vast majority of decent, tolerant Christians.
But let's not let reality cloud your blind ideology and cultivated paranoia. |
wow, another example of your inability to actually use my words against me, and instead you make up stuff up... Guess you still didn't learn anything from the strike next to your name.
Here is a tip, how about we talk about the many things brought up on this thread. Naaa, can't have that, you children have to go after your perceptions of me. Perceptions that are only in your own mind... but perceptions that you are convinced are reality. The policy of personal attacks.
If it were true, you would quote me. But, you never do that... racist posts would be easy to copy and paste.
It really is pathetic, and points out your only debate tactic. One that the http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-democratic-closing-argument-personal-attacks/story?id=11996410&page=1 - democratic party has used for too long.
Clearly the mods don't mind a certain few of you attacking anyone with a different ideology over and over and over and over, and ruining a thread that you could just ignore... Using invented personal attacks including namecalling like above. When it just comes across as petty and insipid. While your cheerleaders pump you up for your "telling it how it is"... I don't have a "making stuff up" next to my name... I post links to the stuff I put out there, and if I have a problem with a poster here, I QUOTE THEM...
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:12am
brihard wrote:
I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, | Reluctant to get in on this, but I did post up links to a recent study that said, if I remember correctly, that up to 35% of mulsims surveyed worldwide felt the 9/11 attacks were warranted. Of the remaining 65%, I think some portion of that considered it somewhat warranted. I wouldn't consider that a vast majority not meaning us harm. I can't seem to find the link, but it was a study done by two guys covering the past several years and both of which were in fact mulsim.
Edited: I searched for the post and I think it is one that got deleted by the mods recently. If I get bored enough today, I'll search again for the link to the study. Is was actually pretty interesting.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:19am
While I began ignoring this thread because I figured it would be entertaining to see if you could spam an entire page's worth of talking to yourself, it is worth pointing out that in a thread labeled politics,
Feaper wrote:
protectionism |
doesn't mean what you think it means.
If you're going to talk to yourself, you might as well get the terminology right.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:28am
oldpbnoob wrote:
brihard wrote:
I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, | Reluctant to get in on this, but I did post up links to a recent study that said, if I remember correctly, that up to 35% of mulsims surveyed worldwide felt the 9/11 attacks were warranted. Of the remaining 65%, I think some portion of that considered it somewhat warranted. I wouldn't consider that a vast majority not meaning us harm. I can't seem to find the link, but it was a study done by two guys covering the past several years and both of which were in fact mulsim.
Edited: I searched for the post and I think it is one that got deleted by the mods recently. If I get bored enough today, I'll search again for the link to the study. Is was actually pretty interesting. |
And I posted a link in this thread to a report released by the FBI that showed that of all the terrorist acts committed in the United States since 1980, only 6 percent were the deeds of Muslims.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:29am
GroupB wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
brihard wrote:
I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, | Reluctant to get in on this, but I did post up links to a recent study that said, if I remember correctly, that up to 35% of mulsims surveyed worldwide felt the 9/11 attacks were warranted. Of the remaining 65%, I think some portion of that considered it somewhat warranted. I wouldn't consider that a vast majority not meaning us harm. I can't seem to find the link, but it was a study done by two guys covering the past several years and both of which were in fact mulsim.
Edited: I searched for the post and I think it is one that got deleted by the mods recently. If I get bored enough today, I'll search again for the link to the study. Is was actually pretty interesting. |
And I posted a link in this thread to a report released by the FBI that showed that of all the terrorist acts committed in the United States since 1980, only 6 percent were the deeds of Muslims. | And?
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:34am
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If you are going to fear monger an entire group of people based on a trait that is not the cause of their behavior, Latinos makes way more sense than Muslims, about 767% more sense.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:36am
I would also imagine, and I may be wrong here, but just because someone felt that it was "somewhat warranted" does not mean they like the fact it happened.
I also may be reading too much into it. My brain has been doing too much analysis lately. .
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:43am
GroupB wrote:
If you are going to fear monger an entire group of people based on a trait that is not the cause of their behavior, Latinos makes way more sense than Muslims, about 767% more sense. | How is mentioning a study, that shows a good percentage of Mulsims think terrorist acts against us is warranted, fear mongering? I was simply pointing out that the statement saying the "vast majority of muslims mean us no harm" may not be entirely accurate. While they may not act on it, approval of acts committed is a serious threat and stokes the fires for those willing to.
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:46am
oldpbnoob wrote:
approval of acts committed |
The question here is, does feeling that something is "Somewhat warranted" mean the same as "Approval?" I don't necessarily thing it does.
For the record I don't think you are fear mongering or anything, you just brought up a point. Maybe we can turn this thread into some reasonable discussion like the DADT thread.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:48am
agentwhale007 wrote:
While I began ignoring this thread because I figured it would be entertaining to see if you could spam an entire page's worth of talking to yourself, it is worth pointing out that in a thread labeled politics,
Reaper wrote:
protectionism |
doesn't mean what you think it means.
If you're going to talk to yourself, you might as well get the terminology right.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protectionism - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protectionism
scroll down to the world english dictionary.
1. the act of protecting or the condition of being protected.
please explain to me how I got that word wrong, so I can be enlightened...
Exactly how many lawsuits have been brought against muslims asking for a muslim roommate?
Hmm, none? but there is one for a Christian woman who posted a note http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/4417 - AT CHURCH for a Christian roommate...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:53am
The Reaper wrote:
scroll down to the world |
Yes, that is what the dictionary says.
However, if we are discussing politics, the term, as used in political theory, is not that.
Hint: In political discussions, it has to do with goods, not people.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:07pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
GroupB wrote:
If you are going to fear monger an entire group of people based on a trait that is not the cause of their behavior, Latinos makes way more sense than Muslims, about 767% more sense. | How is mentioning a study, that shows a good percentage of Mulsims think terrorist acts against us is warranted, fear mongering? I was simply pointing out that the statement saying the "vast majority of muslims mean us no harm" may not be entirely accurate. While they may not act on it, approval of acts committed is a serious threat and stokes the fires for those willing to. |
The fear mongering was meant to be directed towards the FEaper, not you. Sorry for being unclear.
Why can't someone feel that the attacks were somewhat warranted and at the same time mean us no harm? I would venture to guess that of the majority of people who feel that our involvement in Afghanistan is somewhat warranted would also say that they mean no harm to the citizens of Afghanistan. Yet they are still harmed.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:10pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
approval of acts committed |
The question here is, does feeling that something is "Somewhat warranted" mean the same as "Approval?" I don't necessarily thing it does.
For the record I don't think you are fear mongering or anything, you just brought up a point. Maybe we can turn this thread into some reasonable discussion like the DADT thread.
| Let's take Desert Storm as it's clean and simpleish.
Did I think it was warranted? Yes
Since I thought it was warranted, I therefore approved of it happening.
Did I want to see the loss of life and destruction occur? No, but felt it was necessary. Unfortunate, but necessary.
Would I support it happening again? Yes.
Would I allow my tax dollars to be spent on it? Yes.
Swap terrorist attack for Desert Storm and proceed. Seems lke a logical progression to me. If you have potentially 35% of a 1.8 billion population approving, even reluctantly, of terrorist acts, I would consider this a substantial threat.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:16pm
GroupB wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
GroupB wrote:
If you are going to fear monger an entire group of people based on a trait that is not the cause of their behavior, Latinos makes way more sense than Muslims, about 767% more sense. | How is mentioning a study, that shows a good percentage of Mulsims think terrorist acts against us is warranted, fear mongering? I was simply pointing out that the statement saying the "vast majority of muslims mean us no harm" may not be entirely accurate. While they may not act on it, approval of acts committed is a serious threat and stokes the fires for those willing to. |
The fear mongering was meant to be directed towards the FEaper, not you. Sorry for being unclear.
Why can't someone feel that the attacks were somewhat warranted and at the same time mean us no harm? I would venture to guess that of the majority of people who feel that our involvement in Afghanistan is somewhat warranted would also say that they mean no harm to the citizens of Afghanistan. Yet they are still harmed. | Unfortunately, terrorist attacks do not necessarily target military personell. Colateral damage sucks. Every time I see pictures of kids or families that have been injured or killed, it tears me up. I can't imagine the horror of living in a situation like that. It's surreal. But I truly beleive our military does everything possible to try and lessen these occurances and I feel good in supporting their efforts. Terrorists do not. Approving of, or supporting their efforts insures that civilians will be killed and even targeted. That is the difference.
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:25pm
That's a fair enough comparison, opbnoob.
However, ask yourself this: If we did the same poll in the U.S. and asked people who self-identify as Christians if they felt the murder of George Tiller was "Warranted," what kind of response would we get?
And without knowing what was going on in the heads of those who answered, it really is impossible to know, and all we have to go on is what we see in the data.
I'd suspect that a lot of the reason that people say that something like a terrorist attack is "Warranted" is based on their perception of U.S. meddling in Middle East affairs, namely with Israel.
However, I'm not fan if Islam. I think a lot of that perception of U.S. meddling is falsely perceived and falsely distributed around the Muslim faith, because those in charge of maintaining that backwards-ass doctrine need fear to stay relevant.
(Hey, that doesn't sound familiar, does it? )
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:28pm
brihard wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait. |
'Muslim protectionism'? Would that be the part where we don't share your http://www.macon.com/2010/10/28/1318365/the-fear-is-real.html - irrational paranoia of the 1.3 billion Muslim boogeymen on the earth, the vast majority of whom are not at all dissimilar from us- except in a surprising number of cases more industrious, courteous, and generally decent than many people living in the west?
Yeah, sorry, but refusing to bow to right wing generated fear of Muslims does not equate to protectionism. I for one am proud to say that I will happily protect the dignity and equality of any person who hasn't done anything to harm myself or others.
Your ignorantly held racism against Muslims - yes, I said racism; report me - and the revulsion we feel whenever it's so plainly on display does not equate to 'protectionism'. I will hold as an enemy those who actually mean us harm (and stand between them and you; ironic, that), but they are not representative of the vast majority of the religion, no more than you, fortunately, are representative of the vast majority of decent, tolerant Christians.
But let's not let reality cloud your blind ideology and cultivated paranoia. |
The Reaper wrote:
wow, another example of your inability to actually use my words against me, and instead you make up stuff up... |
The number of times your fear of Muslims has had you defending security initiatives that would compromise the rights of millions in fresh in all our memories, and hardly needs quoting. But I did in fact use your own words, 'muslim protectionism'.
The Reaper wrote:
Guess you still didn't learn anything from the strike next to your name. |
Actually I did. I learned that when I approach Ruska with an idea for a funny title he's sometimes willing to grant it. This took part after you spent most of a thread many moon sago accusing me of making stuff up. Have you honestly been sitting here smugly the entire time thinking that was a real strike? Amazing.
The Reaper wrote:
Here is a tip, how about we talk about the many things brought up on this thread. |
Like 'Muslim protectionism'? You said it first, not I- you introduced the idea apparently expecting it to go unchallenged. Surprise!
The Reaper wrote:
Naaa, can't have that, you children have to go after your perceptions of me. Perceptions that are only in your own mind... but perceptions that you are convinced are reality. The policy of personal attacks. |
Perceptions? Yes, I perceive that you are afraid of Muslims. I perceive that their rights do not matter as much to you as your false conceptions of what security is. I perceive that you are one of those sad creatures to whom my old sig about 'giving up essential liberty for a little temporary safety' applied. You arguing these perceptions does not make them any less accurate.
The Reaper wrote:
If it were true, you would quote me. But, you never do that... racist posts would be easy to copy and paste. |
No, between two jobs and full time school I don't typically feel the need to spend hours digging through old threads to find exact posts to substantiate views you've articulated a great many times and that the majority of us know you hold. I have better uses for my time; bluntly, you're not worth it. Spending five minutes hammering this reply out isn't nearly such a waste as that would be. You will of course harp on this point in later replies, insisting that only direct quotes can prove you hold the views you've spent many months espousing. Don't expect me to play the game.
The Reaper wrote:
It really is pathetic, and points out your only debate tactic. One that the http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-democratic-closing-argument-personal-attacks/story?id=11996410&page=1 - democratic party has used for too long. |
No, see every time I've tried to debate you in the past you wharrgarbl, ignore prurient posts, and cite blogs. Once again, I find you unworthy of the effort that actual discourse would entail, because as soon as things stop going your way you take your ball and go home. Oh, and I voted Conservative in the last two federal elections I voted in. Try again.
The Reaper wrote:
Clearly the mods don't mind a certain few of you attacking anyone with a different ideology over and over and over and over, and ruining a thread that you could just ignore... Using invented personal attacks including namecalling like above. When it just comes across as petty and insipid. While your cheerleaders pump you up for your "telling it how it is"... I don't have a "making stuff up" next to my name... I post links to the stuff I put out there, and if I have a problem with a poster here, I QUOTE THEM... |
Yeah, you can see my previous about the joke strike I wear as a title.
Is it name calling to state that you are racist against Muslims? Yes, I will grant that. Sometimes a spade may not like being called a spade either.
Of course, it's possible I'm wrong here, and you can prove that. Simply agree in full, without reservation, and without qualification with the following statement:
"Muslims are equal in all ways to all other human beings on this earth, including myself. They ought not be judged collectively, as a group, race, culture, or religion, but instead individually based on their own actions and decisions as individuals. They have the same full entitlement to natural human rights and dignities as I or any other, and to treat them in any way other than I myself would be treated is wrong and cannot be justified."
Can you agree unequivocally with that? I would really love to see you do so and prove that you do not in fact hold racist views against Muslims. A subject that, I will remind you, YOU introduced to this thread.
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:40pm
brihard wrote:
"Muslims are equal in all ways to all other human beings on this earth, including myself. They ought not be judged collectively, as a group, race, culture, or religion, but instead individually based on their own actions and decisions as individuals. They have the same full entitlement to natural human rights and dignities as I or any other, and to treat them in any way other than I myself would be treated is wrong and cannot be justified."
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I completely agree with that statement. And would even add to it, that they were Created by God for a purpose, just like every other human on the planet.
What is clear by your attacks on me personally is that you couldn't agree with the following.
"FE is equal in all ways to all other human beings on this earth, including myself. They ought not be judged collectively, as a group, race, culture, or religion, but instead individually based on their own actions and decisions as individuals. He have the same full entitlement to natural human rights and dignities as I or any other, and to treat him in any way other than I myself would be treated is wrong and cannot be justified."
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:42pm
The Reaper wrote:
brihard wrote:
"Muslims are equal in all ways to all other human beings on this earth, including myself. They ought not be judged collectively, as a group, race, culture, or religion, but instead individually based on their own actions and decisions as individuals. They have the same full entitlement to natural human rights and dignities as I or any other, and to treat them in any way other than I myself would be treated is wrong and cannot be justified."
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I completely agree with that statement. And would even add to it, that they were Created by God for a purpose, just like every other human on the planet.
What is clear by your attacks on me personally is that you couldn't agree with the following.
"FE is equal in all ways to all other human beings on this earth, including myself. They ought not be judged collectively, as a group, race, culture, or religion, but instead individually based on their own actions and decisions as individuals. He have the same full entitlement to natural human rights and dignities as I or any other, and to treat him in any way other than I myself would be treated is wrong and cannot be justified." |
While we obviously differ on the subject of God, if you do in fact feel that way about Muslims, then I am wrong and you have my complete apology. I'm willing either to delete my posts, or to leave them up as you'd prefer and see fit.
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 12:51pm
The Reaper wrote:
brihard wrote:
"Muslims are equal in all ways to all other human beings on this earth, including myself. They ought not be judged collectively, as a group, race, culture, or religion, but instead individually based on their own actions and decisions as individuals. They have the same full entitlement to natural human rights and dignities as I or any other, and to treat them in any way other than I myself would be treated is wrong and cannot be justified."
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I completely agree with that statement. And would even add to it, that they were Created by God for a purpose, just like every other human on the planet.
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I'll believe this when your posts start reflecting it.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 1:56pm
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With that unpleasantness out of the way...
The Reaper wrote:
What is clear by your attacks on me personally is that you couldn't agree with the following.
"FE is equal in all ways to all other human beings on this earth, including myself. They ought not be judged collectively, as a group, race, culture, or religion, but instead individually based on their own actions and decisions as individuals. He have the same full entitlement to natural human rights and dignities as I or any other, and to treat him in any way other than I myself would be treated is wrong and cannot be justified." |
Entirely incorrect. I would treat any person with identical views (real or perceived) the same way under identical circumstances. You most certainly wouldn't find me attempting to deny or denigrate in any way your rights, liberties, equality or freedoms in any way inconsistent with my treatment of anyone else. Nor would I expect anyone strongly opposed to my views to hold back form castigating me if they thought it was merited- as you yourself have not held back on several occasions.
I hope that clears that up. I consider all of your views for what they are, not who's espousing them.
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 2:21pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
That's a fair enough comparison, opbnoob.
However, ask yourself this: If we did the same poll in the U.S. and asked people who self-identify as Christians if they felt the murder of George Tiller was "Warranted," what kind of response would we get?
And without knowing what was going on in the heads of those who answered, it really is impossible to know, and all we have to go on is what we see in the data.
I'd suspect that a lot of the reason that people say that something like a terrorist attack is "Warranted" is based on their perception of U.S. meddling in Middle East affairs, namely with Israel.
| Not sure if I agree with your comparison. Without polling it would be hard to decide what percentage agreed that it was warranted. True Christians, IMO, would not/should not feel it is warranted as killing is, as I understand it, totally wrong according to the Bible. Also goes against the "thou shall not judge" doctrine. Christianity as a whole does not typically support vigilantieism. And even if they did feel it was somewhat justified, are they condemning an entire people or culture? No, they would be condemning one person, much the way I would imagine most of humanity condemned Hitler.
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 2:47pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
True Christians |
Are they anything like A True Scotsman?
While this is simply annecdotal, right after the news broke of Tiller's murder, I jumped on FreeRepublic.com to see what the word was there. The general consensus was "Good, I hope more people do this," and "He deserved it."
Yes, there are people on the site who condemn the murder, but all it takes is a simple search to find people who thought it was justified.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 2:52pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
True Christians |
Are they anything like A True Scotsman?
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 2:56pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
True Christians |
Are they anything like A True Scotsman?
While this is simply annecdotal, right after the news broke of Tiller's murder, I jumped on FreeRepublic.com to see what the word was there. The general consensus was "Good, I hope more people do this," and "He deserved it."
Yes, there are people on the site who condemn the murder, but all it takes is a simple search to find people who thought it was justified.
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------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 2:58pm
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hmm, So UPS was used to send "suspicious items" to http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/10/29/suspicious-package-on-plane-headed-to-chicago/ - Jewish Synagogues from Yemen.
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Try being informed instead of just opinionated. How long before you admit that Obama was a mistake?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:17pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
I guess much like a lot of Muslims feel that the attacks were warranted and in their heart do a little happy dance when harm befalls us. |
Yep. Life is complicated.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:26pm
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What do you guys think of the gawker "expose" on O'Donnell?
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if that puts her over the top... It seems to me the country is tiring of the constant personal attacks, being promoted (and in this case funded) by the liberal "media". (if you consider gawker a "media" source)
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Try being informed instead of just opinionated. How long before you admit that Obama was a mistake?
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:29pm
The Reaper wrote:
It seems to me the country is tiring of the constant personal attacks, | You mean like the ones presented by her Republican opponent who was sponsored by the Republican party? The same party that initially said it would not support her if she won the primaries? That liberal party? Oh, wait...
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:39pm
The Reaper wrote:
What do you guys think of the gawker "expose" on O'Donnell? |
Silly. I don't care about her Halloween plans.
But, Gawker has never really been the world's most serious source.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if that puts her over the top... |
http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/forecasts/senate/delaware - I sure would be.
The stats are not looking good for O'Connell. They never did look good for her running in a very blue state. Every single poll has Coons winning. Even Rasmussen.
It seems to me the country is tiring of the constant personal attacks, |
But the thing is, the country doesn't vote on the Delaware Seante seat. Just people in Delaware.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:54pm
The Reaper wrote:
hmm, So UPS was used to send "suspicious items" to http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/10/29/suspicious-package-on-plane-headed-to-chicago/ - Jewish Synagogues from Yemen.
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Seldom have I seen a better example of how fear is leveraged today. Two suspicious packages are reported - by whom, I wonder? - on flights from Yemen. We end up seeing all UPS flights grounded, military aircraft escorting at least one of them.
I wonder just to what extent fear will be allowed to trample rights?
And, of course, every time something like this happens, many are quick to come out and simply blame Islam as some monolithic entity, perpetuating the fear and driving the wedge deeper.
I'm curious, FE- since you left this one as a 'post and run', what's your take on it? What was your intent in posting it in a thread that you yourself have described as primarily political?
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:56pm
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf - http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf
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Try being informed instead of just opinionated. How long before you admit that Obama was a mistake?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:59pm
The Reaper wrote:
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf - http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf
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Yep. She's about 10 percent back with five days to go.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:02pm
brihard wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
hmm, So UPS was used to send "suspicious items" to http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/10/29/suspicious-package-on-plane-headed-to-chicago/ - Jewish Synagogues from Yemen.
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Seldom have I seen a better example of how fear is leveraged today. Two suspicious packages are reported - by whom, I wonder? - on flights from Yemen. We end up seeing all UPS flights grounded, military aircraft escorting at least one of them.
I wonder just to what extent fear will be allowed to trample rights?
And, of course, every time something like this happens, many are quick to come out and simply blame Islam as some monolithic entity, perpetuating the fear and driving the wedge deeper.
I'm curious, FE- since you left this one as a 'post and run', what's your take on it? What was your intent in posting it in a thread that you yourself have described as primarily political? |
Well, it wasn't the only thing I had read on it... But, it is pointing towards Al Qaeda... (you know the muslim terrorist organization who are bent on destroying the US and other "western" countries, and Israel).
Sounds like they think it was a dry run to see if it would work in the future...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/10/29/statement-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs - http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/10/29/statement-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_yemen_fighter_jets_1 - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_yemen_fighter_jets_1
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/security.concern/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 - http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/security.concern/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/airports_suspicious_packages_fedex;_ylt=Ag1yJFlTqgrdC2_9bd_29Tys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNucmtua251BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDI5L2FpcnBvcnRzX3N1c3BpY2lvdXNfcGFja2FnZXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwM2BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNyZWxhdGVk - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/airports_suspicious_packages_fedex;_ylt=Ag1yJFlTqgrdC2_9bd_29Tys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNucmtua251BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDI5L2FpcnBvcnRzX3N1c3BpY2lvdXNfcGFja2FnZXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwM2BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNyZWxhdGVk
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:02pm
The Reaper wrote:
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf - http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf |
Intriguing. The republicans hold a two percent lead in 'who would you like to see in control of Congress', yet O'Donnell still trails Coons, and pulls a majority in both the 'unfavourable' and 'unqualified' metrics.
So although more would like to see the Republicans in control, they still won't vote for her. That's extraordinarily telling of the lack of esteem she's held in by many.
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:04pm
The Reaper wrote:
brihard wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
hmm, So UPS was used to send "suspicious items" to http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/10/29/suspicious-package-on-plane-headed-to-chicago/ - Jewish Synagogues from Yemen.
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Seldom have I seen a better example of how fear is leveraged today. Two suspicious packages are reported - by whom, I wonder? - on flights from Yemen. We end up seeing all UPS flights grounded, military aircraft escorting at least one of them.
I wonder just to what extent fear will be allowed to trample rights?
And, of course, every time something like this happens, many are quick to come out and simply blame Islam as some monolithic entity, perpetuating the fear and driving the wedge deeper.
I'm curious, FE- since you left this one as a 'post and run', what's your take on it? What was your intent in posting it in a thread that you yourself have described as primarily political? |
Well, it wasn't the only thing I had read on it... But, it is pointing towards Al Qaeda... (you know the muslim terrorist organization who are bent on destroying the US and other "western" countries, and Israel).
Sounds like they think it was a dry run to see if it would work in the future...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/10/29/statement-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs - http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/10/29/statement-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_yemen_fighter_jets_1 - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_yemen_fighter_jets_1
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/security.concern/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 - http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/security.concern/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/airports_suspicious_packages_fedex;_ylt=Ag1yJFlTqgrdC2_9bd_29Tys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNucmtua251BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDI5L2FpcnBvcnRzX3N1c3BpY2lvdXNfcGFja2FnZXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwM2BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNyZWxhdGVk - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/airports_suspicious_packages_fedex;_ylt=Ag1yJFlTqgrdC2_9bd_29Tys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNucmtua251BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDI5L2FpcnBvcnRzX3N1c3BpY2lvdXNfcGFja2FnZXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwM2BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNyZWxhdGVk
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...yes, I know. I'm still curious what *point* you were trying to make? You never post things simply for the sake of posting them, particularly not in political threads.
We are all well aware that Al Qaeda is comprised of a small number of people who hold radical Islamist views (as opposed to 'Islamic', or mainstream Muslim), as well as what their stated intent is. I still fail to see what novel point you're raising.
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:05pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf - http://www.monmouth.edu/polling/admin/polls/MUP37_DE_2.pdf
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Yep. She's about 10 percent back with five days to go. |
Except this gawker thing happened during the polling, so many wouldn't know about it yet... I still think this will swing the election in her favor, as women voters (typically independant) will not like this personal attack)
We will see on Tuesday...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:07pm
Indeed. I'm loathe to think that with mere days before the election, an entire 5% of voters will be swayed from their currently held opinions. But we shall see.
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:10pm
brihard wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
brihard wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
hmm, So UPS was used to send "suspicious items" to http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/10/29/suspicious-package-on-plane-headed-to-chicago/ - Jewish Synagogues from Yemen.
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Seldom have I seen a better example of how fear is leveraged today. Two suspicious packages are reported - by whom, I wonder? - on flights from Yemen. We end up seeing all UPS flights grounded, military aircraft escorting at least one of them.
I wonder just to what extent fear will be allowed to trample rights?
And, of course, every time something like this happens, many are quick to come out and simply blame Islam as some monolithic entity, perpetuating the fear and driving the wedge deeper.
I'm curious, FE- since you left this one as a 'post and run', what's your take on it? What was your intent in posting it in a thread that you yourself have described as primarily political? |
Well, it wasn't the only thing I had read on it... But, it is pointing towards Al Qaeda... (you know the muslim terrorist organization who are bent on destroying the US and other "western" countries, and Israel).
Sounds like they think it was a dry run to see if it would work in the future...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/10/29/statement-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs - http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/10/29/statement-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_yemen_fighter_jets_1 - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_yemen_fighter_jets_1
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/security.concern/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 - http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/security.concern/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/airports_suspicious_packages_fedex;_ylt=Ag1yJFlTqgrdC2_9bd_29Tys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNucmtua251BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDI5L2FpcnBvcnRzX3N1c3BpY2lvdXNfcGFja2FnZXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwM2BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNyZWxhdGVk - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/airports_suspicious_packages_fedex;_ylt=Ag1yJFlTqgrdC2_9bd_29Tys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNucmtua251BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDI5L2FpcnBvcnRzX3N1c3BpY2lvdXNfcGFja2FnZXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwM2BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNyZWxhdGVk
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...yes, I know. I'm still curious what *point* you were trying to make? You never post things simply for the sake of posting them, particularly not in political threads.
We are all well aware that Al Qaeda is comprised of a small number of people who hold radical Islamist views (as opposed to 'Islamic', or mainstream Muslim), as well as what their stated intent is. I still fail to see what novel point you're raising. |
Well, we were talking about muslim terrorists... And according to the White House this is an attempted terrorist undertaking...
that is the point... Especially when Group B is acting like Muslim extremists are such a small threat...
yet one more example.
Besides, I post all kinds of stuff in here...
The Reaper wrote:
And then you see something like this...
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20101026/NEWS010702/10270330/ - http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20101026/NEWS010702/10270330/
Take away the gunz...
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Normally I would have started a new thread, but this way it is all in one place.
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Try being informed instead of just opinionated. How long before you admit that Obama was a mistake?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:14pm
The Reaper wrote:
Except this gawker thing happened during the polling, so many wouldn't know about it yet... I still think this will swing the election in her favor, as women voters (typically independant) will not like this personal attack) |
So, despite every poll, even conservative ones, going to Coons, despite every statistic pointing to a Coons win, despite her being an - average - of 17 percent back, this one thing will be enough to come back?
I suppose we'll see.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:16pm
Muslim extremists *are* a small threat. A miniscule one. Certainly not one so big as to justify a fear-centric society where rights and liberties are pissed away for some nebulous safety. You've by your own words accepted the inherent equality of Muslims in this thread. Do you still stand by your earlier statements that statistically more frequent checks of those who look or sound like they might be Muslim would be a justifiable measure in order to enhance 'security'?
The greatest harm come from Islamist terrorism by far is that it has pushed those of us in the west to accept fundamental alterations in how our society functions for no better reason than we are irrationally afraid. I reject that there is any sense in this- better to live free with a minutely greater degree of risk than to be jumping at shadows, constantly wondering what today's terrorism colour code is, and ceding more of your rights to the state,
------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 4:27pm
Yeah I hope she wins, we need fewer Senators with a basic understanding of the Bill of Rights.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 6:32pm
The Reaper wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
This is a politics thread, you know the rules, participate if want, but no spamming, or name calling.
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__sneaky__ wrote:
I was more so referring to your almost constant attacks, insults, condescending, generalizing, and other demeaning references to anyone at all who disagrees with you, such as, but not limited to, atheists, liberals, democrats, socialists, public school students, almost any of Americas current youth, Muslims, humanists, homosexuals, illegal aliens, Any member of the media not related to FOX, etc. |
Stop making stuff up, and spamming my thread. We all get it, you don't like me... personally... Even though you have never met me, and you feel it necessary to make unsubstantiated statements about me that have nothing to do with the thread or topic at hand. You could actually copy and paste my words if you have a problem with something that I actually said... But, you don't do that, you just attempt to call me out by making blanket statements with no proof...
Since clearly you are unable to be mature and not stoop to making stuff up about me and misrepresenting my positions. Why don't you just ignore my one thread on the forum?
So typical, you can't debate any of the many discussions going on here and instead slander me... Clearly I am responsible for the voter fraud, and many instances of muslim protectionism that have been posted... oh wait.
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FreeEnterprise wrote:
methinks you need to check the definition of hypocrite. I make no bones about my feelings towards your list above... Whereas you on the other hand just admitted that you were insulting Christians... (which you said earlier, you weren't). Hypocrisy in action. I admit to my disdain, you don't. Notice the key difference? One is hypocrisy the other isn't. class dismissed. |
I'll just leave this here.
EDIT: and on a sidenote, I posted the kettle picture to begin with because you decided to insinuate, that because there was a few douchebag muslims, all of them must be.
Muslims are not evil or stupid. Christians are not evil or stupid. Certain members of both groups are evil and/or stupid, but not all.
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