Phone Home... NASA astrobiological finding...
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Topic: Phone Home... NASA astrobiological finding...
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Subject: Phone Home... NASA astrobiological finding...
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 2:12pm
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http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html - http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html
Pretty cool.
And since this is ET related, and I know a bunch of the guys who were in the movie riding the BMX bikes...
here is a behind the scene's picture from ET.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 2:19pm
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Saw this on Twitter yesterday. But, all I've been able to think of so far was the book Deception Point.(which maybe 3 people on here MAY have read.) On the topic of astro-biology, I have a theological question for you, and I think it at least sort of falls under the jurisdiction of this thread. Would the discovery of life on other planets effect your religious faith/beliefs at all? I know when I talk to people about the potential for extraterrestrial life, they act as if it should shatter my belief system/The Bible because it doesn't mention life on other planets. My response has always been that it would have no reason to be in the Bible. And while I'm a New Testament person myself, the entire Bible is really a religious "history" of Earth, and thus doesn't TRY to disprove life elsewhere. Anyhoo, I thought this would be a decent Sub-topic people could discuss in this thread as well. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 2:20pm
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Maybe they just found God and he told them to stop looking for ET, as Earth was the only planet He created life on?
Deception Point is the ONLY book Dan Brown wrote that is worth a damn. KBK |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 2:36pm
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Wouldn't bother me at all if other life was found. Certainly wouldn't affect my thoughts on God or my belief.
Actually, it would seem logical to me in fact.
Would they have free wills and be similar to humans... Doubt it, but, I'm not God so I don't know what all he Created.
When I think of Creation, it is hard to look at all that was Created on Earth, and then pretend that those Creations stopped within our little planet... Especially when you consider the other planets and their diversity. Many people interpret "heaven" as being up there in space anyway. Not that I know one way or the other, but, I wouldn't be surprised if heaven was in fact out there somewhere. And if heaven were out there... then where is hell located?
All interesting thoughts, that stretch the mind. But, clearly we don't know all there is to know about our earth, or even ourselves for that matter, since we as humans only use a tiny amount of our brainpower...
I do think that there are other dimensions that we ignore as we are so focused on "reality". And those dimensions are just as "real" as what we experience daily.
But, I come to conclusions like that based on the things that I have witnessed personally that fail to make sense in the concrete world we all live.
I still can't understand how that girls jeans went THROUGH that bar this summer... It made no sense, and yet. I was there, and had my hand on the jeans as they passed through. So I know stuff happens that we can't explain. I just don't know why, or how...
But, I do enjoy questioning it, and trying to figure it out.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 3:22pm
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 3:46pm
Humans don't actually have free will. It's just an illusion. ------------- 
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FreeEnterprise wrote:Posted By: ArthurBignose
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 4:38pm
If God is omniscient then humans have no free will. ------------- |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 4:59pm
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Oh lawd. Pretty cool. I'll be looking forward to hearing what they have to say. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 5:06pm
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Heres how its gunna go down: "So yeah ladies and gentlemen, this is whats going on. We basically have no more funding, so effective immediately we are shutting down our astrobiology department and selling off the equipment. Even if we did find life on another planet, we would have no means of getting to it because our rocket program is also shut down due to lack of funding... so yeah, we got nothing." or: "We found life. The only problem is that it is intelligent and hostile and is coming straight for us and will be here at around 5pm EST. Have a nice day!  " |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 5:11pm
If this is it, then I'll regret living in such a small town. Nothing good to loot around here. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 7:44pm
http://carloz.newsvine.com/_news/2010/12/01/5559553-nasa-to-make-extraterrestrial-life-announcement-thursday-3-theories-on-what-the-space-agency-has-discovered ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 01 December 2010 at 11:53pm
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Possibly they've identified a planetary mass with some sort of atmospheric or other indicators that fit much closer than anything previously discovered to being able to support life as we know it? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 1:43am
| Well, at least this thread's a break from OMG PLZ B PROTHEAN RUINS like on every other forum where this has been mentioned. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 5:16am
| You know what stretches the mind: science. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 12:46pm
Huh. Remember that thread you made about NASA a while back? The one where it wasn't pretty cool that they were exploring and finding things, instead, it was a massive tragedy that taxpayer money was being wasted? Well, in case you forgot, here is the http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=183197&KW=Moon - link to the thread. And here are some excerpts from that thread:
Oh, and this gem:
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 1:50pm
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Whale, as often as I am against FE, I feel like you're grasping at straws here. There is a large portion of the scientific community that disagrees with NASA having such a stranglehold on the American space industry, especially when the private sector could fund it so much more easily. I don't think FE was saying this type of search shouldn't be conducted, merely that we shouldn't be writing blank checks to fund it, because the government wants to keep control over it. Ironically enough, that is also brought up in Deception Point. Except for that last part, my belief in God does not encompass him taking the time to heal broken arms and runny noses. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 1:56pm
I wasn't trying to make any sort of specific point. Just think it's funny how attitudes change over the course of time.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 2:07pm
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I still can't wait for the day someone/thing sets down on earth with thier intergalictic ship, and the worlds 1950's-80's Science Fiction series response is still that we are superior. We will kinda be like the early New England natives as the european sailing ships appeared off the coasts with massive four legged animals with a metal clad beings mounted on them, carrying 'firesticks' that killed. And as the Indians looked at thier war canoes, and bows, and still proclaimed they were superior to these 'animals' that just landed. And we know how well that all worked out. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 2:37pm
| So.... what happened? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 2:46pm
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Small Pox bro. Aliens are bringing it back. Hidden in space blankets. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 2:58pm
Really? Last time I checked, the European settlers weren't real keen on finding out what the Indians thought for the first forty years they were on North American soil. Let alone the actions of Europeans when they were going through Central and South America. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 3:00pm
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Okay so they basically found bacteria in Lake Mono California that can live in arsenic. Apparently this broadens the horizon in which life could be found on other planets. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/life-space-life-lives-off-arsenic/story?id=12291373 - Linkypoo . |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 4:02pm
This is entirely subjective to your definition of superior. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 4:40pm
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As in mindset, humans tend to place themselves or culture as superior to those they do not understand. Example Racial prejudices. Historically the British vs Zulu War was a classic, the whire european army with modern weapons should easily overcome 'savages' armed with spears, till Isandlwana. Our contempt for the plains indians till Little Big Horn, history is filled with cultures attempting to overcome foreign invaders or attempting to conquer cultures and not fully understanding their lot in the circumstances.
In my studies of the Iroquois they considered themselves the Children of The Sun, and superior even to the local Huron and Mohawks. Once the europeans showed they too were considered inferior to the Iroquois in the fact that they were dirty, appeared unclean in dress and appearence, and had this strange tendancy to call land thier own. The silly cultural differance in that the Iroquois bathed regularly, where europeans kinda avoided bathing, was a serious differance for the time. Just imagine yourself as a young Iroquois in 1627 seeing a mounted man on a horse along the river your group gathered water, understand horses were not a comman sight in New England in 1627, how would you convey that sight to your village elders and what would be their response. My bet would be the elders would send a war party to eliminate this inferior being and threat from the lands. Now see a 'V' type ship in hover over NYC or LA and our current government response. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 4:51pm
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Maybe I misunderstood your argument, but are you claiming that because the Native Americans fought to defend the land they lived on, that means they felt superior to the more technologically advanced Europeans. Fearing for your possessions/livelihood is different than a superiority complex, IMO anyways...
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 5:03pm
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The concept of any culture to see themselves as superior is a social norm for any and all civilizations of Earth. Through whatever means the culture always portrays themselves and culture as superior (ie North Korea)to thier enemies or another culture. It is not a foriegn concept to mankind.
Closed cultures as the Native Americans until confronted with the european saw themselves as the masters of all the saw, and transfered that thought to the europeans as they were seen as foriegn and not of consequence. Since most native american cultures had no written language and only the passing on of history and culture through story and verbal legacy there is no written record on how they felt, only the european version of the victor on the native american culture. In WW2 in Papau New Guinie(sp) the locals still saw themselves and thier culture far superior to the arriving americans with all the technolgy in tow. It is a mindset of people and cultures to not question any preconception whne faced with the true facts of the situation, it is seen as a weakness. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 5:51pm
OS, you surely must have read some Kipling? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 10:48pm
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Guess it wasn't some arboreal squid swinging through the trees a la Tarzan... ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 08 December 2010 at 8:24am
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Uh oh... looks like the paper is suspect...
http://www.slate.com/id/2276919/pagenum/all/ - http://www.slate.com/id/2276919/pagenum/all/
Guess NASA should have just stuck with their new Muslim outreach program instead of real science.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/nasa039s-muslim-outreach-al-jazeera-told-first - http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/nasa039s-muslim-outreach-al-jazeera-told-first ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 08 December 2010 at 12:27pm
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<shrug> that's more or less how science is supposed to work. Hypothesis, experiment, results, conclusions. This experiment, like any valid one, can be either replicated or disproven by other scientists in the field. I suppose we'll see if NASA was premature to jump on this like a dog humping a football, but it sounds like the experiment should be simple enough to replicate. I'm sure that at least one team if not more will be making the attempt in short order. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |