upgrade to x7 or not
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Topic: upgrade to x7 or not
Posted By: hoyt87
Subject: upgrade to x7 or not
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 9:02am
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I have a a5 and was thinking of getting a x7 since i can swap %90 of my a5 upgrades over to the x7. i priced one out on eBay which is were i have been buying my markers and after selling my a5 stock it was $30 more to get a stock x7. and in advanced i don't plan on getting a phenom anytime soon or dumping a couple hundred in a new marker would it be worth even if i,m just getting a cooler looking marker |
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Posted By: Uber J
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 12:51pm
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i would say no. if all you are doing this for is cosmetic looks id save the 30 dollars and upgrade the a5 to "look" like the x7. performance wise the two markers are the same using the same internals. also i am not sure what upgrades you have but most, besides threaded barrels, will not crossover from the a5 to the x7 or vice versa. |
Posted By: hoyt87
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 2:54pm
| i have the power tube tube upgrade the cyclone ratchet upgrade and a stock which was basically included in the price and i called tippmann and asked the tech. and i don't care for e grips so besides a barrel kit which came with a barrel adapter to fit my a5 i don't care to do any speed upgrade right now. so for me i like the look of the x7 and if i get it in the winter time the prices will be lower on the x7 if i buy it first play a game with it around march then sell it if i don't care for it and make some money off it i guess i really don't have anything to lose on it |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 10:01pm
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I would not buy an X7 if I were you. There is no performance gain with an X7 and I think they look gaudy myself. To each his own. ------------- 
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Posted By: FlyByNight
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 11:12pm
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It's my understanding that going from an A5 to a Phenom would be a big upgrade. Spool valve, using regulated air - it'll be more efficient and be more consistent/accurate. |
Posted By: hoyt87
Date Posted: 03 December 2010 at 10:20am
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yes it would be but i have a black magic autococker and that vs my a5 yhere was not a huge diferents my atuococker could gruop atleast 1/4" better or more at 10 yds. i know there is no performance gain but come on an extra $30 for the marker and $20 more into a forgrip and you could have something extremely sick looking but I'm not %100 I'm going to buy the x7 first in winter so i can get it cheaper than plan a game with it and if i don't care for it wait until the prices jump in summer time and at least make $30 bucks off it either way i get to play with a new toy and it covers some of my paint balling cost  and for the third time i don't have $200 plus bucks to spend on a x7 after i sell my a5 to get it |
Posted By: FlyByNight
Date Posted: 03 December 2010 at 11:22am
| I'm confused - you say you're going to buy an x7 in winter but then say you don't have the money to spend on it? I'm lost. Either way, if you get an x7, just make sure it's not an actual X7 (which have been discontinued) - make sure it's at least a Phenom Mechanical (x7 replacement). |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 03 December 2010 at 6:24pm
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^^^So where did you get the information that the X7 has been discontinued?
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Posted By: FlyByNight
Date Posted: 03 December 2010 at 11:19pm
| I can't find the announcement but basically it happened when the Phenom Mechanical was introduced. You can get the X7 basic for $50 less now - probably while supplies still last. The Phenom Mechanical is the same price as the X7 was at $299 - between an X7 and a Phenom, at the same price, it's a no-brainer. It's not surprising at all they decided to come out with a non e-trigger version of the Phenom to replace the X7. |
Posted By: hoyt87
Date Posted: 04 December 2010 at 10:39am
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thanks for the info even thou i kinda new that but look at from my point of view i get 230 off my a5 that leaves me negative 70 +18 in tax for the gun and a 30+ barrel upgrade if it is true about everyone saying u don't need to upgrade the x7 phenom. i was only looking at an extra 30 bucks and a fully decked out x7 would out do a stock x7 phenom even with a smart parts 30 barrel vs fully decked out x7 with barrel kit and i have $30 to spend on a marker after i sell my a5 but i might have a hundred + to blow on an x7 phenom if people aren't lying about it does not need any internal upgrade |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 5:40pm
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upgrade! the a5 will stress you up!
airleaks around the annoying tombstone that cannot be fixed and ballbreaks in the flatline. go and get a real marker. this one is a toy and i hate it so much. im very sorry for the money i spent on that. never ever! |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 10:00am
As for the Flatline, it can be picky on paint. It does not like soft/brittle paint, so it does take some experimenting to see if the paint you are using is compatible. Also, keep in mind that cold weather makes paint brittle. Personally, I wouldn't attempt to use a Flatline barrel anytime the temperature was below 30*F.
CO2 can also cause other issues in lower temps. FPS drop off, freezing up, wildly inconsistent FPS, o-ring damage and other issues are typical problems with using CO2 in cold weather. If you are planning on playing during the winter, you may want to look into purchasing an HPA tank. Keep in mind though, even with HPA and "winter fill" paint, you may still experience a lot more ball breaks in weather any colder than 30*. It just happens. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Armitage wrote:Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 1:25pm
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ok - thanks for answering my shout-out. i think i was a little bit rough in typing yesterday. tippmann has offered a replacement and check-up today an i will see what will happen after that. in the meantime: this is the video from my "gun" doing the tombstone-failure: http://www.digitalcoregraphics.de/SHOW/A5_TOMBSTONE_LEAK.MOV - http://www.digitalcoregraphics.de/SHOW/A5_TOMBSTONE_LEAK.MOV as you can see: there is something very wrong. i can tell you that it has been disassembled very carefully to NOT damage any internals or stress up the o-rings. also everything is lubed with tippmann original oil. there is a failure in this marker - if you don't think so, tell me why ;o) i will keep you informed about how everythings moving forward... best regards, andré |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 1:34pm
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Video will not play for me. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 1:40pm
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but this one will: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu5er7y_r0E&feature=player_embedded i will add some words cause it seems that tippmann is doing all they can to help me out.... |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 1:42pm
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ah! works better this way  |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 1:47pm
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I was going to suggest that you try replacing the o-rings in the tombstone, but then upon closer look, it doesnt appear that the tombstone latch between the trigger and tombstone is latched. Did you misplace the spring? At about 24 seconds, I can see it pretty clearly, and it does not appear to be latched. If not, that would likely be your problem. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 2:01pm
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it is placed right... but maybe the spring is too weak (colored red) the hook (plastic) flips back when firing - as you can see. but the spring is in correct place. i checked that several times... cheers! |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 2:05pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 4:00pm
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...i can tell you: this one is PVC, that spring is red and a little loose. can easily squeeze it with two fingers... marker will be on it's way tomorrow... if this is the problem, then there IS no problem. i read in a few topics that tippmann has exchanged the hook from alu (AL) to pvc. and that is in fact also here and makes the tomb come out cause it flatters when you shoot. i am wondering why the a5 2011 has none of this hook... maybe cause this is the weak point? regards!  |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 4:16pm
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also here: http://www.paintballer.ie/tech-tent/1835-tippmann-5-help-tombstone-adaptor-leaking.html scroll down and you'll see: this hook is alu, yes. compare it to the video. when the hook is flattered it should loose the "black" from it's surface like in the pictures of the guy who complained about the same issue. but on mine: it doesn't - why? it's plastic  strange feeling about that issue... it's my first gun, i've been VERY careful taking it apart when i first heard that hiss out of tht tombstone. using the tippmann-videos i managed it to carefully have a look whats wrong inside - unfortunately the rest of the PAINTBALL-DAY in germany (well, my friends were really excited seeing me checking the gun and not playing for 4 hours...)... so... bad luck? maybe you can understand why i was a "little" upset with this...  |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 4:53pm
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Odd. I will admit I didnt realize they changed from aluminum tombstone latches to plastic. Not a good decision IMO. Sometimes there is a hiccup in production, and a bad part gets through. I am sure Tippmann will make it right.
It also sucks missing a day of play due to technical issues. I know most of us have experienced that at least once. A lot of regular players tend to carry more than one marker, at least where I play for just such occassions. I had an instance where between my brother and I, we had 6 markers that we had brought to the field. Due to various issues that we failed to work out prior to heading out, 4 of the 6 markers were outright not working, and of the remaining 2, only one worked totally reliably. It happens. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 5:02pm
thanks a lot for your backup! i will keep you informed of how it's being solved - and how fast. let's see what's coming up... best regards, andré PS: note to myself: "hook" is named: LATCH...  |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 11:48am
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YAY! TIPPMANN™ just sent the new Model 2011 as an exchange for the A5 that has the Tombstone-prob! Unbelievable! That's what i call "customer satisfaction". I love it an i am very sorry about that what i said in a hurry... But this is what comes up next: Is the old Flatlinebarrel (That bull-cylinder) compatible? It feels to me as if it won't fit in there correctly. That "chassis" cannot be tightend up right. There's a little narrow cleavage because of the flatline-barrel and i don't want to tighten the screw that far cause i am worried about that i can do any damage to the front of the marker... If you ask me: Old Flatlinebarrel does not fit the A5 2011... Could it be? What i know for sure: The Doubletrigger from the old A5 does not fit. It is definately different and won't work. Very happy again - anyone who knows more about the Flatline here? Do i need the new one (with grip) and sell the "old cylinder" ?(sorry for my - maybe - bad english...) |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 12:02pm
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According to what I see the two use the same barrel adapter assembly #02-69, which would lead me to the conclusion that the old Flatline should still be able to be used on the new model.
I got the info from http://www.tippmannparts.com - www.tippmannparts.com . ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Armitage
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 12:08pm
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hmmmm.... ok - thank you. bookmarked this link. i will try again - let's see if it works... Regards, André |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 11:01am
Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any of these deals. -------------
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