Class Action Lawsuit against McDonald's
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Topic: Class Action Lawsuit against McDonald's
Posted By: StormyKnight
Subject: Class Action Lawsuit against McDonald's
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 12:52am
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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=20420 - http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=20420
Really? Who is forcing parents to take their kids to McDonald's to fatten them up on greasy fast food just for a plastic trinket-toy? Where is the personal responsibility? Why does somebody have to file such a lawsuit in the first place? I could maybe see it if McDonald's was going door to door dropping off happy meals at your doorstep for free, but c'mon now.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 3:20am
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Well who can blame her? Have you guys ever tried to find kids toys outside of a fast food place? It's nearly impossible.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 3:50am
choopie911 wrote:
Well who can blame her? Have you guys ever tried to find kids toys outside of a fast food place? It's nearly impossible. |
Again, your flawless logic overwhelms me. I would never have thought of that.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 6:21am
They said "pop".
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 3:09pm
If your kid is fat, its your own damn fault; either genetics or poor parenting.
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Posted By: ArthurBignose
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 3:39pm
On a similar note, I'd love to see mandatory after school sports, at least a couple days a week, for kids through high school. Sure it costs quite a bit, but you're going to pay for it eventually when the kids become fat money sucking health problems.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 4:52pm
ArthurBignose wrote:
On a similar note, I'd love to see mandatory after school sports, at least a couple days a week, for kids through high school. Sure it costs quite a bit, but you're going to pay for it eventually when the kids become fat money sucking health problems. | We used to call this PE. Had it every day. And what ever happened to the "Presidents Fitness Program" or whatever it was called? I remember having to do situps, chin ups and run a mile in a certain amount of time to pass. IIRC, if you failed it you had to retake it. I also find it sad that Band and Cheerleading now count towards Phys Ed credits nowadays.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 4:58pm
Something something nanny state. Something something slippery slope.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 5:19pm
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Is it just me, or is this kid now like the poster child for fatties?
I swear to god that pic is recycled in every fat kid article I read.
Woman's an idiot, lawsuit is ridiculous, pretty much sums it up for me. Your kids are fat because you stopped in the drive thru, ordered up your god damn happy meals (and probably a McRib for yourself), and shoved it down their fat little throats until they looked Rosie O'Donnell's pug.
But hey, personal responsibility is kind of outdated. It's not my fault, it's my kids' fault for wanting the food. But really, it's the food company's fault for MAKING THEIR PRODUCT APPEALING. Because marketing to a demographic is completely unethical.
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Posted By: ArthurBignose
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 5:25pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
ArthurBignose wrote:
On a similar note, I'd love to see mandatory after school sports, at least a couple days a week, for kids through high school. Sure it costs quite a bit, but you're going to pay for it eventually when the kids become fat money sucking health problems. | We used to call this PE. Had it every day. And what ever happened to the "Presidents Fitness Program" or whatever it was called? I remember having to do situps, chin ups and run a mile in a certain amount of time to pass. IIRC, if you failed it you had to retake it. I also find it sad that Band and Cheerleading now count towards Phys Ed credits nowadays. |
They still have the president's fitness thing, but you don't have to pass it (at least where my brother is in school).
We had PE every year up until high school. In high school you spent one semester in PE, once a week, with half the classes being sex ed.
At my university, you're required to take 2 PE classes to graduate. The basic one requires you to run 1.5 miles under 14:21, do 77 crunches in 120 seconds with no rest and bench, lat pulldown, leg press a certain weight based on your body weight. Not too hard but still requires students to be in somewhat decent shape.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 5:27pm
stratoaxe wrote:
But really, it's the food company's fault for MAKING THEIR PRODUCT APPEALING.
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While I don't agree with the lawsuit, and I think your children are your own responsibility, one can argue that McDonald's is marketing a potentially dangerous product to children.
Now, the way this lawsuit is going about it is a little crazy, but the point can still be made.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 5:37pm
I guess on a technical level I see your point, and you're right. But I think it's an observation that can be made about every edible item in existence. Candy, cereal, soda, hell even bread is bad for if it's not balanced. Happy Meals are supposed to be a treat for a kid, in the same way sodas are. The problem is that Americans have this false sense of being rushed all the time, and so they do notoriously unhealthy things under the guise of convenience.
My mom NEVER stocked sodas in the house when I was a kid. It was something you got with a burger, or if you were on a long trip. But now, my nieces and nephews freak when they hit the last soda in the box. Hello future blood sugar problems and cavities.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 7:05pm
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Ima sum up my thoughts since its already been said:
Nobody put a gun to your head and forced you/your family to go to Mc Donalds and get their food. You made a decision to take them there. You could have avoided it. It's not their (Mc Donalds) falt you/your family is fat slobs. Get over yourself.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 7:50pm
stratoaxe wrote:
I guess on a technical level I see your point, and you're right.
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It's all technical at this level.
Because, when it comes down to it, as people say, it's your choice to bring your kid there or not.
But, the technical things make it tricky. For one, it's advertised extremely heavy to appeal to children. Same thing when the government brought down the hammer on cigarette companies for using The Flintstones to advertise their new smokes. The law frowns upon using children to market a dangerous substance.
Now, once you have that down, can one prove that the fat and sugar levels in a Happy Meal are dangerous to children?
I don't really know.
But, like you said, it's all about the technicalities.
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 8:00pm
Does anyone even see ads for Happy Meals anymore? I only see ads for whatever new deal they are running (i.e. McRib, Monopoly, etc.).
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 8:07pm
jerseypaint wrote:
Does anyone even see ads for Happy Meals anymore? I only see ads for whatever new deal they are running (i.e. McRib, Monopoly, etc.). |
Do you watch a lot of children's television?
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 8:52pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
jerseypaint wrote:
Does anyone even see ads for Happy Meals anymore? I only see ads for whatever new deal they are running (i.e. McRib, Monopoly, etc.). |
Do you watch a lot of children's television? |
True, very true.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 9:37pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
jerseypaint wrote:
Does anyone even see ads for Happy Meals anymore? I only see ads for whatever new deal they are running (i.e. McRib, Monopoly, etc.). |
Do you watch a lot of children's television? | I do and I really don't notice that many McDonalds commercials aimed at kids. Maybe I have just gotten used to seeing them and don't notice. I do notice the stupid McRib commercials flooding the airwaves these days.
If you want to go the "dangerous product" route, you'll need to take into consideration that McD's does offer more healthy choices. You can sub apples slices for french fries, and lowfat milk for soda. I would imagine a 4nugget meal with apples and milk isn't much worse for you than the standard school lunch. Now if you are talking the Big Kids Meal with fries and a soda, yeah it's terrible for you. But it comes back to the parents. Learn to say no to your kids. I didn't watch the video, but would make a probably true assumption that the mother is a fat cow as well. And how often do you have to eat at McDonalds to let your kid get that fat? We eat at McD's MAYBE once a week. I let my kids eat whatever the hell they want, because between dance class, soccer, cheer class, basketball, cross country and general running around like a pack of monkeys, I know that they will easily burn off any excess calories they get from one freakin Happy Meal. Turn the tv off, sell the xbox and tell the kid to get the hell off his butt and do something. Problem is, the parents are probably sitting on the couch next to him downing a bag of Doritos and chugging on a 2 liter of Mountain Dew.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 10:15pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
agentwhale007 wrote:
jerseypaint wrote:
Does anyone even see ads for Happy Meals anymore? I only see ads for whatever new deal they are running (i.e. McRib, Monopoly, etc.). |
Do you watch a lot of children's television? | I do and I really don't notice that many McDonalds commercials aimed at kids. Maybe I have just gotten used to seeing them and don't notice. I do notice the stupid McRib commercials flooding the airwaves these days.
If you want to go the "dangerous product" route, you'll need to take into consideration that McD's does offer more healthy choices. You can sub apples slices for french fries, and lowfat milk for soda. I would imagine a 4nugget meal with apples and milk isn't much worse for you than the standard school lunch. Now if you are talking the Big Kids Meal with fries and a soda, yeah it's terrible for you. But it comes back to the parents. Learn to say no to your kids. I didn't watch the video, but would make a probably true assumption that the mother is a fat cow as well. And how often do you have to eat at McDonalds to let your kid get that fat? We eat at McD's MAYBE once a week. I let my kids eat whatever the hell they want, because between dance class, soccer, cheer class, basketball, cross country and general running around like a pack of monkeys, I know that they will easily burn off any excess calories they get from one freakin Happy Meal. Turn the tv off, sell the xbox and tell the kid to get the hell off his butt and do something. Problem is, the parents are probably sitting on the couch next to him downing a bag of Doritos and chugging on a 2 liter of Mountain Dew. |
Agreed. parents need to learn to say no and lead by example.
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Posted By: kickinwing2010
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 10:44pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
ArthurBignose wrote:
On a similar note, I'd love to see mandatory after school sports, at least a couple days a week, for kids through high school. Sure it costs quite a bit, but you're going to pay for it eventually when the kids become fat money sucking health problems. | We used to call this PE. Had it every day. And what ever happened to the "Presidents Fitness Program" or whatever it was called? I remember having to do situps, chin ups and run a mile in a certain amount of time to pass. IIRC, if you failed it you had to retake it. I also find it sad that Band and Cheerleading now count towards Phys Ed credits nowadays. |
To be fair, I was in band and we ran did sit-ups, push-ups, etc. Then on top of it we would march 4-5 miles, which is more than we ever did in PE.
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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 11:49pm
stratoaxe wrote:
Is it just me, or is this kid now like the poster child for fatties?
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And the irony of it is the fact that he isn't even from the US.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 December 2010 at 11:56pm
DaveEllis wrote:
stratoaxe wrote:
Is it just me, or is this kid now like the poster child for fatties?
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And the irony of it is the fact that he isn't even from the US. |
Also, I mean, I'm not a doctor or anything, but I'd bet that the kid is not that size from eating McDonald's alone. It looks like he could have a significant thyroid issue.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 18 December 2010 at 12:42am
kickinwing2010 wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
I also find it sad that Band and Cheerleading now count towards Phys Ed credits nowadays. |
To be fair, I was in band and we ran did sit-ups, push-ups, etc. Then on top of it we would march 4-5 miles, which is more than we ever did in PE. |
A rehearsal with my high school marching band was more intense than anything I've seen in any PE class. The problem is that not all bands are like that. Some bands don't hold their students to high standards. I remember trying to get an instructor job at one school, and as I spoke with the guy about the show, he said "they'll be marching at 130 bpm, so they'll be movin'." http://www.metronomeonline.com/ - That tempo is a brisk walk , at best, and his programs have had only about 30 sets, meaning lots of stantstill time. I remember most of our shows reaching 160 bpm and sustaining that for quite a while, and we never had too many park and blow moments.
It pretty much means you have to get lucky wherever you go, especially regarding band. Also, they can't really discriminate by part, so the guys in the pit or the drum majors still get out of PE.
Our education system in general needs to boost its standards quite a bit. As far as PE goes, the most that was required of me was actually in middle school. They required us to run a lap around the track and they would record our times. We had to play some sort of sport during our time there. Many moons ago, they were much more strict about what had to be done. The last PE class I was in, the only requirements were to be in uniform and on our feet. The lazy among us would just walk around the basketball court in groups for an hour. People still sat around the edges of the courts or field and took the drop in credit because there was no real penalty.
McDonalds is not the criminal here. Their advertisements and the deliciousness of their food to the young person's palate are all a part of the moneymaking process. The problem is that kids become remarkably difficult to control when the craving kicks in, and even the best parents have difficulty controlling their kids in these situations. I remember once going absolutely crazy because my mom wouldn't take me. I threw a tantrum and puked, and I was not one to do such things for any other desire. I don't recall if they eventually took me, I just know that enough of that type of complaining drives parents crazy.
Parents need to be better at their jobs, but you can't really make that happen without some intense government intrusion.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 19 December 2010 at 3:33am
ArthurBignose wrote:
They still have the president's fitness thing, but you don't have to pass it (at least where my brother is in school). |
Probably didn't want to stunt his growth emotionally or developmentally.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 December 2010 at 10:43am
agentwhale007 wrote:
While I don't agree with the lawsuit, and I think your children are your own responsibility, one can argue that McDonald's is marketing a potentially dangerous product to children. |
What exactly makes the product "potentially dangerous?"
My point being that stuff like cigarettes or toys with lead-based paint have obvious inherent dangers that result from their intended use and were marketed by companies that in one case knew (and tried to hide) the associated dangers and in the other case were dangerous when used as intended because the dangers weren't known. Happy Meals on the other hand (or fast food in general) is generally understood to be bad for you if used in excess yet these children are taken to eat it repeatedly (really the only way the mentioned problems could occur) by supposedly responsible adults.
My counter-argument would be that the parent in question is potentially dangerous to her children. (Probably in a multitude of ways.)
This lawsuit is less about "omg think of the children," than it is about the fact that some lazy parent who sees a potential big payday happened to hook up with some group that would like to tell everyone else how they should live.
Edited Addition (because this whole thing really annoys me): The parent needs to learn to accept responsibility for her own/children's behavior and set down/enforce rules that result in a healthy lifestyle as opposed to abrogating responsibility and hoping to score a big payday and set at home on her butt. (I have to wonder if, after filing this lawsuit, she suddenly became responsible and quit taking the kids to McDonalds. I doubt it--if she did, the problem would be solved without the suit.) The group supporting her needs to realize that in the U.S. we have freedom and with this comes certain responsibilities. Among these are accepting the consequences for our actions without looking for someone else to blame for our XXL posteriors because we are to lazy to cook for ourselves and prefer nice greasy unhealthy fast food to stuff that is good for us. What someone chooses to eat is a very personal decision and I am fairly certain that I don't want the authorities to have the power to reach that far into my life. (Something that becomes a possibility if suits like this succeed.)
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 19 December 2010 at 1:29pm
ArthurBignose wrote:
On a similar note, I'd love to see mandatory after school sports, at least a couple days a week, for kids through high school. Sure it costs quite a bit, but you're going to pay for it eventually when the kids become fat money sucking health problems.
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I'd love to see something exhibited by parents called "Parenting".
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 19 December 2010 at 3:03pm
Is that an old wooden ship?
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 19 December 2010 at 3:18pm
I thought it was a form of goverment rule?
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 3:56am
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 10:07am
Tolgak wrote:
I remember once going absolutely crazy because my mom wouldn't take me. I threw a tantrum and puked, and I was not one to do such things for any other desire. I don't recall if they eventually took me, I just know that enough of that type of complaining drives parents crazy. |
What the HELL?
My kids throw a tantrum and puke and they'll sure as HELL not get what they want. Probably taken to the bathroom and kept there until they cool down.
I sure as hell wouldn't take them to wherever they were trying to get, and I'd probably revoke their going out privilages.
Hell we've stopped taking our 6 year old out when she just got a little bratty.
Course because we work shifts we can always go out to eat when she's at school.
KBK
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 10:42am
I am waaaaaaaayyy more stubborn than my kids can ever even think to be.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 11:48am
Kayback wrote:
Tolgak wrote:
I remember once going absolutely crazy because my mom wouldn't take me. I threw a tantrum and puked, and I was not one to do such things for any other desire. I don't recall if they eventually took me, I just know that enough of that type of complaining drives parents crazy. |
What the HELL?
My kids throw a tantrum and puke and they'll sure as HELL not get what they want. Probably taken to the bathroom and kept there until they cool down.
I sure as hell wouldn't take them to wherever they were trying to get, and I'd probably revoke their going out privilages.
Hell we've stopped taking our 6 year old out when she just got a little bratty.
Course because we work shifts we can always go out to eat when she's at school.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 12:02pm
Tolgak wrote:
I threw a tantrum and puked |
Now, the question is, was the puking a planned part of the tantrum or was it a result of the rest of the tantrum being really intense?
Because I remember being in the latter when I was a really little kid.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 12:18pm
So we can sum this thread up as "bad parenting"? That is what it all appears to me. If my sons throw a tantrum over McDonalds, they have sealed their fate and go on punishment for such behaviour. I take away DSI from the eldest and youngest gets his time out chair.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 12:23pm
Ceesman762 wrote:
So we can sum this thread up as "bad parenting"? That is what it all appears to me. If my sons throw a tantrum over McDonalds, they have sealed their fate and go on punishment for such behaviour. I take away DSI from the eldest and youngest gets his time out chair.
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All this . . . and I would go get McDonald's and eat in front of the little suckers . . . telling them how good it was the whole time.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 20 December 2010 at 12:24pm
Mack wrote:
Ceesman762 wrote:
So we can sum this thread up as "bad parenting"? That is what it all appears to me. If my sons throw a tantrum over McDonalds, they have sealed their fate and go on punishment for such behaviour. I take away DSI from the eldest and youngest gets his time out chair.
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All this . . . and I would go get McDonald's and eat in front of the little suckers . . . telling them how good it was the whole time.
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Ahhh, The "Un Happy for YOU meal."
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 21 December 2010 at 6:07pm
I wouldn't call it 'bad parenting' as much as I'd call it 'lazy parenting'. Sure, sometimes you just don't want to cook, need a break and take the family to dinner, but to make Mickey-D's the three or four day a week standby is ridiculous.
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Posted By: Lawless
Date Posted: 22 December 2010 at 9:36pm
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Hey!
Don't even get me started on this.  ...oh wait...too late
What I wouldn't give to meet these sorry sons of bitc....I mean plaintiffs so I could give them all a good ol' fashion Big MacŪ Beat Down. 
I can't really put into words what I think of these people, when I'd put my bottom dollar on the fact that damn near everyone of these obese kids' parents are full of Mc**edited** themselves...literally...and that's a lot of Mc**edited**...especially when you're having to wait in line behind 100 head of cattle so the docs can get an accurate weight measure.
It's always someone else's fault...seems that's the route everyone's taking nowadays...gone are the days of taking responsibility for one's own actions and exhibiting a bit of self-control...oh no...it's those evil corporations using there blasted mind control machines that make me do the things I do.
These are the F-ing people that are destroying this country...not just the fat***'s, but all those who refuse to take action for themselves...they are the one's that are crying for more government control here but then are the same people who are crying when someone else asks for more government control there.
We are living in the early years of the UUSSA. Un-United Socialist States of America
It makes me truly sad knowing that my children will never know what it's really like to live in the "Land of the Free"...not that I really have myself...how unfortunate.
If people think it's bad now...just wait...these are good times compared to what's coming.
And no one else is to blame other than ourselves...and perhaps a truckload or two of corrupt politicians
If things are to change...change needs to happen now...so grab your torches and pitchforks and a gun or two or three...and lets get this done.
 this...now my BP is skyrocketing...I'm out for now...need to go get me a McFlurry to calm my nerves.
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 22 December 2010 at 9:52pm
StormyKnight wrote:
I wouldn't call it 'bad parenting' as much as I'd call it 'lazy parenting'. Sure, sometimes you just don't want to cook, need a break and take the family to dinner, but to make Mickey-D's the three or four day a week standby is ridiculous. |
How is that any different than bad parenting?
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 22 December 2010 at 10:22pm
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So I think this lawsuit is ridiculous. I do however agree with Whale that i understand the point trying to be made. I know as a little kid i loved mcdonalds because they had awesome toys with their extremely unhealthy meals.
San Francisco recently passed a bill banning the toys. I know most people just say "parents should show control" but i think it honestly can't hurt to NOT have toys to go along with the meals. Maybe they should introduce healthier meals that have toys with them. Reinforce positive behavior, etc.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:09am
Eville wrote:
StormyKnight wrote:
I wouldn't call it 'bad parenting' as much as I'd call it 'lazy parenting'. Sure, sometimes you just don't want to cook, need a break and take the family to dinner, but to make Mickey-D's the three or four day a week standby is ridiculous. |
How is that any different than bad parenting?
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Because they are not really being bad parents? They could be doing all good for the kid and then just see McDonalds as a viable alternative to food that isn't extremely unhealthy. They are still putting food on the table.
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Posted By: ArthurBignose
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 11:40am
But McDonalds is NOT a viable alternative to a healthy meal. I would also classify them as bad parents because they're not providing the best possible nutrition to their kids. This doesn't mean you have to provide the perfect meal for someones health, but there are alternatives to McDonalds that are nearly as simple and are leaps and bounds better for you.
This is coming from a guy whose parents did the fast food thing 3-4 days a week. These days, if I know that I'm not going to have time to prepare a good meal sometime in the near future, I just make twice as much food and will eat leftovers that night.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 11:57am
I don't think not feeding nutritious foods makes you a bad parent. Not feeding makes you a bad parent.
I don't agree with doing it, and if I had a kid they wouldn't eat McDonalds. I cringe every time I see my niece with a happy meal.
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