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Topic: paintball tank

Posted By: splat!udead
Subject: paintball tank
Date Posted: 30 December 2010 at 8:34pm

Hello I'm new to paintball and I just got a tippmann 98 custom platinum for christmas so I have to start getting all of the things I need. I have only played paintball once and liked it so much that I have decided to get into it. We had hpa tanks on our markers and I am trying to decided which tank would be the best for me. sadly, I cant just go and spend $200 on an air tank so please keep that in mind. thanks in advance for replying

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Posted By: LOSTxPROPHIT
Date Posted: 30 December 2010 at 8:40pm

How much are you wanting? Like a 13000 PSi or a 16Oz what? (I'm also new to paintball :P)

Because Ninja has some pretty good looking ones.

http://www.tippmannparts.com/Ninja-Micro-Preset-HPA-Bottle-13ci-3000psi-p/1403.htm - http://www.tippmannparts.com/Ninja-Micro-Preset-HPA-Bottle-13ci-3000psi-p/1403.htm

The one in the link is kinda cheap-ish. Only have a Stock CO2 Tank I think lol but I'm sure it'll work.

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My Tippmann P-Ball Gun & Attachments:
-TippMann Custom Pro w/ A.C.T.(Weaver Rails)& Real-Tree Camo
-Double Trigger
-about 14" Smart Parts Barrel
-Drop Forward Complete
(Any new attachments I'll add)

Posted By: splat!udead
Date Posted: 30 December 2010 at 11:50pm

I dont know what to get thats why I joined this forum, so could find out. I have looked around on the internet, but I cant decided on either a 4500 psi or a 3000. And I dont know how many inches it should be. Like I said, I am very new to paintball and I dont want to buy the wrong tank to only have it not work.

Posted By: splat!udead
Date Posted: 30 December 2010 at 11:53pm

ps. I know that with 3000 psi you get 10 shots per cubic inch. with 4500, you get 15.

pps. I also have the tippmann 98 custom platinum series with A.C.T.

Posted By: splat!udead
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 12:04am

Also, if you could post the links to some upgrades for my gun that you would recommend, I would realy appreiciate it.

Posted By: LOSTxPROPHIT
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 1:24am

http://www.empirepaintball.com/paintball-marker/apex-barrel-system/ - http://www.empirepaintball.com/paintball-marker/apex-barrel-system/ - Battle Tested Apex Barrel, you can get an Adapter for this.

Tippmann Flat Line Barrel - you can get an adapter for this too or you can get a twist-on so it actually fits your gun.

Tippmann Collapsible Stock - You can get any other ones too like RAP4 Collapsible Stock designed for a Tippmann 98 Custom. I'd use this cause I bet your arms would get sore after an hour or so holding it out in front of you.

Tippmann Remote Line - Helps to get the tank outta the way if you find it in your way or something (You can also get a pack that'll hold the tank on your back)

Red Dot Sight or M16 Style Handle & Iron Sights - Help with aiming or to put stuff onto the handle (Picitinny Rail on some M16 Handles)

Can't think of anything else. If you have any questions or unsure about something, don't be afraid to ask me or someone else! - LxP

Posted By: X7MAN
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 8:15am

I personally do not like the flat-line. It is not accurate. The red-dot site does really nothing except amp up the looks of the gun. The iron sights are hard to look through if you have a hard plastic mask. The remote line is good. A lot of times you have to take it apart where the tank meets the remote line and put teflon around all the hose screw and other things like that. If you get a 4500 tank make sure the remote line can take that pressure mine can only take 3000.

Mike

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DON'T FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKEN!

Posted By: splat!udead
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 1:12pm

Thanks LOSTxPROPHIT for the link to that barrel. I know that I will be buying a stock for my marker, and the barrel looks realy nice, but like I said, I realy need to find out exactly what kind of tank I should buy. meaning how many ci it should be, and what psi it should be. I have already added the stock to my birthday list, and for now I just need a tank. Also, if I buy the remote line I am going to have to buy some kind of vest right?

Posted By: X7MAN
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 3:05pm

Not really, you could use a army surplus gas mask bag.

Mike

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DON'T FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKEN!

Posted By: splat!udead
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 3:45pm

well, I am going to buy a stock and I have researched on what type of tank I am going to buy. I am thinking of a 70 ci 4500psi tank. thanks for all the help

Posted By: LOSTxPROPHIT
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 5:00pm

Yea no problem man :D Hope you have fun out there!

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My Tippmann P-Ball Gun & Attachments:
-TippMann Custom Pro w/ A.C.T.(Weaver Rails)& Real-Tree Camo
-Double Trigger
-about 14" Smart Parts Barrel
-Drop Forward Complete
(Any new attachments I'll add)

Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 9:21pm

splat!udead wrote:

ps. I know that with 3000 psi you get 10 shots per cubic inch. with 4500, you get 15.

pps. I also have the tippmann 98 custom platinum series with A.C.T.

Typically, 3k Psi tanks are metal and 4.5K psi tanks are carbon fiber. CF tanks are considerably lighter. A 3k metal tank will weigh considerably more than a 4.5k carbon fiber tank. One drawback to CF tanks is that they are more prone to damage. Tank cover/protectors are a necessity with them. With that said, I prefer CF tanks due to more shots/tank. They are also CONSIDERABLY more expensive. You can get a 3k/72ci tank for $40-50 vs a 4.5k tanks will be at least $120+ for a comparably sized tank.

Honestly, if you are in a warmer climate, you may want to stay with CO2 due to the costs. CO2 will provide more shots per tank on average than HPA will. 20 oz CO2 tanks are $20-30 and very durable.

As far as upgrades, hold off until you have played several times, if not a whole season before going nuts on upgrades. However, one of the first upgrades is a better barrel. J&J Ceramic and Lapco barrels are highly recommended for their affordability and increase in performance. As for stocks, scopes etc, hold off. Don't waste your time on internal upgrades, they are pointless.

One additional upgrade I would recommend if you go with HPA is an On/Off ASA with a bleed valve. They allow you to depressurize the marker without taking the tank off.

Word of advise to new players in this forum. Please refrain from offering advise until you have a clue what you are talking about.

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 9:29pm

LOSTxPROPHIT wrote:

How much are you wanting? Like a 13000 PSi or a 16Oz what? (I'm also new to paintball :P)

Because Ninja has some pretty good looking ones.

http://www.tippmannparts.com/Ninja-Micro-Preset-HPA-Bottle-13ci-3000psi-p/1403.htm - http://www.tippmannparts.com/Ninja-Micro-Preset-HPA-Bottle-13ci-3000psi-p/1403.htm

The one in the link is kinda cheap-ish. Only have a Stock CO2 Tank I think lol but I'm sure it'll work.

The reason it is cheapish is that it is a REALLY small tank. You would be lucky to empty a standard hopper on most Tippmann products. While we are there, "looks' have little to do with an HPA tanks performance.

Let's keep the advice giving to a minimum please until we have a clue hmmmm?

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"When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.

Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 01 January 2011 at 10:50am

X7MAN wrote:

I personally do not like the flat-line. It is not accurate.

A properly set-up/utilized Flatline barrel can be quite accurate; it just requires an understanding of how the barrel works and a bit of experience in using it.

The red-dot site does really nothing except amp up the looks of the gun.

Not exactly true. When used by someone that both knows their marker and knows how the red dot was sighted in they can be quite handy for making sure that the first shot is on target at medium to longer ranges. Something that is quite handy at times. However, for this purpose, a cheap Wal-Mart BB gun sight usually works just as well as some of the much more expensive, fancier, sights that some people put on their markers.

The iron sights are hard to look through if you have a hard plastic mask. The remote line is good. A lot of times you have to take it apart where the tank meets the remote line and put teflon around all the hose screw and other things like that.

No you don't. I don't know anyone that has ever had to do that. A common failure point however are the little o-rings in the slide-check if the remote includes one. Proper maintenance is quite important.

If you get a 4500 tank make sure the remote line can take that pressure mine can only take 3000.

Not a concern. 4500 psi tanks and 3000 psi tanks do not put out either 4500 or 3000 psi of output. They are regulated to outputs of 400 psi to 900 psi depending upon the regulator on the tank. If the regulator fails, they theoretically could put out their maximum pressure but they are equipped with burst disks which are designed to vent the tank in case of such a failure.

Mike

X7MAN wrote:

Not really, you could use a army surplus gas mask bag.

This is not a good solution for carry a tank that is on a remote line. First, it puts a large and bulky object on the side of one's leg which means this object will be moving with every move of the leg resulting in a constant and annoying flapping. Second, it puts the tank on a lower extremity, potentially exposing it to more damage when diving/sliding. Third, it puts the tank into a side loading carrier which means if the flap holding it place becomes unsnapped, it is much more likely to fall out.

The two most common solutions for carrying a tank that is on a remote line are belt pouches and a harness system. Having used both, I prefer the harness. The belt pouch tends to catch on things when worn on the side and flop when moving when worn in the back. (It's like being rhythmically spanked while running--very annoying.) The harness systems are generally much more stable and have the added benefit (when properly adjusted) of spreading the weight between the upper and lower body.

An alternate solution I have seen that did seem to work well for the user was a friend of mine years ago who carried a huge steel tank (100+ ci/3000 psi) in a Camelbak pouch.

Mike

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Posted By: X7MAN
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 7:18pm

Oh, I see about the red dot sight.

My friend had trouble with his remote line and I had trouble with mine also, but now as I think about it, it was the slide check o-rings on his. I bought the cheaper one from Ninja paintball, so I had to put teflon on mine.

About the remote line pressure. I was just going on the fact that my remote says on the hose 3000psi. I just thought that it could only take up to that amount of pressure.

My gas mask bag has a strap that goes around the waist to keep it from moving around, but you are right with it maybe getting damaged when diving or sliding etc.

Sorry Mack for the errors in my post.

Mike

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DON'T FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKEN!

Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 January 2011 at 9:00pm

X7MAN wrote:

My friend had trouble with his remote line and I had trouble with mine also, but now as I think about it, it was the slide check o-rings on his.

A little grease on those will make them last a long time.

About the remote line pressure. I was just going on the fact that my remote says on the hose 3000psi. I just thought that it could only take up to that amount of pressure.

It can only take up to that amount of pressure. What I was pointing out is that a tank with a storage pressure of 3000 psi or 4500 psi does not actually put out anywhere near those amounts of pressure.

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Posted By: X7MAN
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 10:01am

Oh I see!
When I used the flatline I used some pretty bad paint. Does it still act up when using good paint?
Thanks Mack!

Mike

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DON'T FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKEN!

Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 11:06am

Bad paint will reduce the effectiveness of any barrel, but it will be especially noticeable with a backspin barrel.

A properly set up flatline can be quite effective. I was running one quite a few years ago that was very accurate. Of course, that level of accuracy required a lot of input on my part. I was using an after-market spring and had added a rear velocity adjuster so I could balance air output amount against air output release rate when the trigger was pulled to get a large volume of air that was released slowly so the paint would gain most of its acceleration in the barrel as opposed to at the breach. I was also using compressed air for its output consistency. Even so, it took me most of a season to get the marker operating exactly like I wanted.

When I moved the parts from the original Model 98 they were on to a 98 Custom so I could add a Response Trigger it took me another few weeks to get the air output per shot set up right again. Either way, once it was set up, and I had trained myself to use it properly (making sure I wasn't tilting the marker during firing for one thing) it was deadly. I could make single shot eliminations at any range that anyone with a normal barrel could except that I didn't have to worry about arcing the ball in; they were straight shots. (Which was very handy with the overhanging cover we had where I was playing at the time.) I could also provide suppressive fire at ranges far beyond what anyone else could do.

It was very picky on paint though. Fortunately, the field in question sold a variety of paint.

Now, while this sounds like a lot of work, it doesn't have to be. The one Flatline equipped marker I have remaining after several down-sizings of my collection is an A5. The A5 Flatline (and I assume the one for the X7 as well) is much easier to initially install. While this one, which is run on an A5 using CO2 that is only upgraded with an expansion chamber and Response Trigger, it is still quite effective. I can't regularly get the single shot eliminations I used to get, but I can take out people at those ranges with a three round burst. At the longer ranges used for suppressive fire it is just as effective since those ranges are generally where one uses accuracy by volume anyway.

I set up several Flatlines for other folks to use over the years and mainly had good results. I did come across one on a 98 that just would not shoot worth a darn no matter what I did. I don't know if it was the marker or the barrel, but sometimes I guess you just get a bad one. (My experience with Tippmann markers tells me it was probably a bad Flatline.)

A few additional Flatline usage thoughts:

The Flatline must be clean to work properly

The one I had on my 98 used to get removed and cleaned with hot soapy water between game days to remove any shell residue that had rubbed off on the interior surface

Flatlines are very sensitive to velocity

My general experience is the A5 ones work best in the mid 260s while the older 98 ones liked the mid 270s--there are however always exceptions

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Posted By: X7MAN
Date Posted: 07 January 2011 at 9:06am

Hey Mack,

Thanks for all the information. I will pull this thread up if I ever get a flat line again.

Thanks, Mike

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DON'T FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKEN!

Posted By: splat!udead
Date Posted: 11 January 2011 at 1:20pm

Thanks for all the help guys, I have just one more question. Where do you use paintball granades? Are they legal at paintball fields? If you could respond I would apprieciate it.

Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 11 January 2011 at 1:23pm

splat!udead wrote:

Thanks for all the help guys, I have just one more question. Where do you use paintball granades? Are they legal at paintball fields? If you could respond I would apprieciate it.

I have yet to be taken out by a paintball grenade. Don't waste your money.

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"When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.

Posted By: kimboy
Date Posted: 29 April 2011 at 5:33am

well, I am going to buy a stock and I have researched on what type of tank I am going to buy. I am thinking of a 70 ci 4500psi tank. thanks for all the help

Posted By: Famous14
Date Posted: 29 April 2011 at 4:44pm

Stocks aren't that good, I have one and they look nice during scenario, but for one, you can't see down the rails and I don't recommend getting a sight cuz they don't do much after 15 yards cuz paintballs drop so....
I just took mine off and boy did it make it less bulky to lug around! Also I could finally see down the sights which you can't do when wearing a mask and using a stock.

As far as tanks go, you can get a 62 ci 3000 psi tank off tippmann parts for : $70.

Here's the link: http://www.tippmannparts.com/Ninja-Paintball-Preset-HPA-Bottle-62ci-3000psi-p/1665.htm

only get an HPA if your looking into eventually getting a rampage board, or an e-grip ; or if u get a double trigger, cuz co2 is fine at the low fire rate of a basic 98 platinum.

I agree with the flatline barrel recommendation and I also recommend a JJ ceramic barrel (12-14in).

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