Capital Punishment: Revisited
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Topic: Capital Punishment: Revisited
Posted By: Linus
Subject: Capital Punishment: Revisited
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 12:27am
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So, your views on capital punishment for the Arizona shooter?
I know the "biggest" argument from death penalty opponents is putting the wrong person to death... ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 12:31am
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I am against the death penalty, period. While I have no *philosophical* object (a person can absolutely deserve death), I do not trust the system to administer it properly. It's tempting to try to establish tight thresholds, but every threshold risks incremental easing until eventually a mistake is made and the less learned the hard way. The hazard of executing an innocent person is too great. I will not accept trying to pick out specific, individual cases as exceptions. I also consider it wrong to execute the mentally ill, and I very much suspect that this is a factor in this case. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 12:49am
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Life in prison is a greater punishment for this guy.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 1:11am
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High Voltage wrote:Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 1:34am
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To some extent I agree with Bri. The reality is that the American
justice system has shown it is incapable of convicting people who are
actually responsible for crimes, both in general and specifically in the
case of crimes which warrant capital punishment. At the same time, I look at it as a case of force. If someone is using force against any American, we have a duty to reciprocate it and protect our fellow citizens. Once someone is incarcerated, especially in supermax, I don't see a good reason to remove them from the face of the Earth. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 5:12am
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I'm still against it. Not because the guy didn't deserve it or because there is a lack of evidence, but as bri already said, even tight standards will allow some mistakes. ------------- 
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 6:24am
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I am going to go with Bri's second statement too. Though all that aside for this guy, I wouldn't have cared if there was some police brutality... ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 9:32am
"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" - William Blackstone ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 10:50am
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The guy is clearly mentally unfit...
My bet is he will end up in a mental institution for the remainder of his years on earth, at a considerable expense to the state and country.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 10:59am
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Just as I'm not a fan of selective use of trying those under age in a separate juvenile court, I'm not a fan of selective use of the death penalty. Therefore, because I don't support the death penalty in general because of its flaws as a system, I also don't support it here either, despite it seeming like a open-and-closed case. And, as FE said, this guy will most likely spend the rest of his life in a high-security mental health facility. Which, from a strictly scientific viewpoint, being able to interview and behavior-study this guy about what in his mental state caused him to react violently will be a positive to society - if we can get clues as to how things like schizophrenia can turn into outward violence. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 12:16pm
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Mixed feelings. Emotionally, I want to see people that have caused great harm to innocent people punished to the full extent of our capabilities. If that means death so be it. However, when I hear about people in Texas being cleared of all charges after they have spent 30 years in jail for a rape they never committed, it makes me hesitant. Since it most likely isn't fair to pick and choose who we put to death, common sense and objectivity lean towards imprisonment for life with no chance of parole. In the long run, solitary confinement for 30-40 years is most likely one of the worst punishments one can get. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 8:16pm
I would accept this. Also, I hate when criminals plead insanity. If a person was out in public and carried out a horrible act to land them in serious trouble, they should be tried as a normal person. Like around here the Sowell case in Cleveland where the guy killed a lot of women in his house over years of time, I think he should have a horrible punishment. I do not care if he was abused or had a learning disability (Sowell may or may not have had either of these, just an example) that made life horrible. The person is a criminal regardless of mental capacity. They do not deserve a second chance.
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Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 8:25pm
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Thought this thread was about Big Pun... I hate you Linus. ------------- I ♣ hippies. |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 8:48pm
| He will do 15 years in a asylum, and get out. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 10:27pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 10:29pm
The charges thus far are federal. I suspect the 'murdering a federal official' charges will take precedence when the time comes to determine the specific disposition of his sentence. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 10:32pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 11:32pm
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Well Hinckley, who was tried under more lenient insanity laws, has only been allowed out of federal institutions recently. That's close to 30 years, and he only gets it because he's spent decades as model psychiatric (rather than criminal) inmate. I think he gets some number of weekends a month, during which he's allowed to visit his parents and do pretty much nothing else. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |