To change jobs???
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Topic: To change jobs???
Posted By: Flurry
Subject: To change jobs???
Date Posted: 14 January 2011 at 11:18pm
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Should I change jobs? Stay as a patrol officer in a town that is 4 hours away from any family, or become a corrections officer in a town 1 hour from family? Pay at the jail is less than that at the PD, but the cost of living is cheaper in the town of the jail. What to do? ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 14 January 2011 at 11:24pm
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to be honest i don't think we can really answer that for you. I think you've already made up your mind. Does the cheaper cost of living roughly equate the drop in salary? If so then your getting 3 hours free a day. If not then you're paying for time with the folks and waens, and that's always a good investment. I dont think we can give you any usable advice without figures. (which I won't ask for) |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 14 January 2011 at 11:41pm
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I will also be in the running for future Patrol jobs there form the jail. there is good on both sides, but bad as well. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 14 January 2011 at 11:41pm
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what town? ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 12:13am
| i'd never want to be a C.O., but that may also be because i'm from NY. I would stay with the patrol job and talk to someone about a transfer or something. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 12:22am
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Out of curiosity, what do cops get paid down there, both on entry and at 3-5 years in? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 12:36am
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in New York it varies greatly. On long island, one suffolk county makes around 75-80 entry, 100k at 5 years in or so. One county over, its around 40 entry, probably 50-55 at 5 years in. Upstate counties are relatively low, although there is one that is the same as suffolk roughly, 75 or so entry and 100 or more after 5 years. As for Flurry, shows hes from North Dakota so i have no idea what they make out that way edit- the best, and by best of course i mean worst, is NY City. Starting is around 25-30K and after 5 years its not a whole lot higher. So for less pay you can work in a virtual combat zone, and for higher pay in Suffolk you can deal with CONSIDERABLY less crime. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 12:43am
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Its gonna depend on the town out here. We have a few bigger ones, but its primarily small towns. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 2:20am
| I'd never be a C.O. Just imagine the things they witness on a day-to-day basis. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 8:42am
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tough call. With there being benefits of both sides, no cut and dry solution presents itself. seriously sit down and figure out the cost. is the drop in pay offset by the drop in travel costs? What about insurance and benefits? Whats the effect on your pension? Then theres the stuff that can't be counted. Do you have kids? How old? If there's a monetary balance, or even if its close- that would have to weigh in. I've got a few friends who are COs. One of the guys at my company works as a CO during the day and does billing and stuff for us on weekends and at night. He likes his work, but openly admits its tough. In terms of what goes on inside- as well as Corrections being a HIGHLY politicized work field. There's a lot of stuff going on internally that isn't quite kosher. Old timers were collecting overtime pay for work that new guys did- since there was a cap on how much time they could do and be paid for it....that sort of thing. G.I. Joe is absolutely correct with his assessment of the NYPD. My father in law was a beat cop in the Bronx for a lot of years before he got work as a firearms instructor and gunsmith, and he'll tell you the same thing in terms of getting paid and such. They're severely underpaid for the work they have to do. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 10:16am
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I'm making about 18.00 an hour here. With the corrections I would be making base pay at 11.50, more depending if they count my 5 years of patrol. Cost of living here is crazy. The house I bought here for $105,000.00 would cost me about $70,000.00 in DL. But then again I bought at a good time here, and will be able to get 150,000.00 for my house now. The town i'm in now is in the middle of an oil boom, and everything is over priced. So fit the most part we're dealing with a population that in increasing daily, with no homes for these people to move into. Crime is on it's way up and the Brass don't seem to want to get us new /better /more equiptment or people. The Brass dosn't care about holding onto expieranced people. They can just hire new people.
As for the insurance, We pay 20% and don't have vison or dental. In DL they have full insurance. If I do get to the PD there, I would have to pay the 20% again, but would get the vison and dental.
There has also been alot of internal isues at the PD here...we have lost some good officers to other departments. I won't go into details about all of that, but the PD just doesn't feel like family like it did just a year ago.
As for my retirement, I'll just get a check for what I have. At that point I can pay it in at the next place, or spend it.
So, all of this attached to the idea that my wife hates the town we are in kinda makes this look like a sure deal.
As a patrol officer in town here I have helped the corrections staff with my prisoners. I know that it isn't a pretty job,. but like I said, this is more of a stepping stone position. The capt. at the jail and PD in DL know the job I want and know that i am licensed and won't have to have much training to fill a patrol slot.
Scotchy is right, my mind is made up for the most part. I am excited, this is why I posted this. I know that you guys will help pull me back so I can look around and make a better decision. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 1:05pm
Sounds like you've already made a decision, and for good reasons. You and your wife know yourselves best, and it seems like you've got good reasons.
Getting a job in Suffolk is near impossible though. Most of the guys they take are experienced NYPD officers. My town is in the same bracket as Suffolk. Last time they hired, they had over 500 applicants for 8 spots. So when they administered their test, they filled our high school parking lots, then had to park on the grass. Those 8 guys got some cushy spots though. Worst thing that happens here is serious car accidents, drunk drivers, and kids with pot. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
GI JOES SON wrote:Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 1:52pm
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This will in no way help you make your decision, but I'm posting here because two simultaneous job threads would be a waste. I got a new job yesterday. Goodbye, dishland. Hello tech support! ------------- 
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 2:03pm
| What kind of tech support, HV? |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 4:27pm
| Pariel- yeah suffolk is tough as all hell to get into. I'd apply to stay on a list while i'm on active duty but i really don't want to be around Long Island. Are you in NY? |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 4:53pm
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Flurry, id say make the change then if you feel like thats the best thing. I can assume your in williston, and in that case things are only gonna remain in a downward spiral as more people move there (like me in around 4 months =P ). ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 5:06pm
Hopefully I'll be making a 'new job' thread of my own shortly. Looking to get out of IT and into Emergency Services. Also, Best of luck Flurry. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 8:12pm
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Ammo - Make sure you have housing lined up BEFORE you come here. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 9:37pm
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I'm thinking seriously about getting into the paramedic service after I graduate this year. They have a program at Holland College in PEI for basic paramedic (1 year) and advanced paramedic (also 1 year, after). The job has appealed to me in many ways and my dad used to be in the ambulance service, my mother is an RN, and my sister is studying nursing in school, so medical is definitely in the family. I just think it's the right job for me. I wonder how hard it would be to re-license as a paramedic from Canada to the U.S. if I ever decided to move back. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 January 2011 at 10:54pm
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Every CO I've ever known has been nothing more than a trumped up rent-a-cop. Just sayin' ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 5:25am
Im gonna be in the WSC dorms, so I should be ok. Are the rumors that EVERYTHING is filling up true? Sorry to hijack your thread, but i never knew you were in Williston, and your one of like, 3 ppl I know there now.
Also, what jail you transfering to? I have 2 neighbors who work in the ward county jail (I think thats what it is, its close to Minot). If you want a nice, quiet place and this is the area then I would look into houses in Ridgedale Acers, its quiet out here and literaly just out of city limits (if i throw a rock off my deck across the land infront of it im throwing at Minot, lol.) ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 9:54am
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I am in Williston for now, I was looking at the Devils Lake area for work. I have now been in contact with some people in Jamestown who are telling me that there is going to be dome patrol work open soon, or its just not advertised yet. Yes they are reliable. No idea on the pay or benifets in Jamestown yet, but it is closer to family than Devils Lake and I would get to go right onto the road.
Make sure you are slated for a dorm room. When it comes to housing in Williston never assume anything. There are no apartments for rent under 800.00 a month. I haven't seen any houses for rent for about a year. If you need a hotel, call about a month in advance.
There are some Corrections staff that act like rent- a- cops. Most of them are goot people, doing a crappy job. If you deal with them with respect, most will give it back. But just like every other job in the world, there are jack###s working the job and give a bad name to everyone. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 9:56am
Central NJ.
I used to work with a guy who was a CO for 20+ years. He said it was pretty much the most terrible place in the world. He stayed there because he said he could spread The Word. Jesus may be pretty cool, but I'm not sure I'd stay there even if I thought people would listen. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 12:07pm
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A little advise from someone who also had to make hard choices. You have a good job and good pay, and hopefully you like it. It appears for a short term fix of some issues you are pondering a drastic change in income. I always looked at issues like this under my five year vision, where do I want to be in five years and hos to get there. In todays economy and working in the public sector your job security if you go corrections is pretty shaky if budget cuts are required.
I traveled 120miles one way to work when I was a US Marshall, and had to deal with Federal Correctional Institutions since one of my duties was transport and security of Federal Inmates during their trial periods. FCI Otisville, MCC New York, FCI Danbury, USP Lewisburg, FCI Raybrook, all had one thing in comman, a 'blood and circus' atmosphere where the staff was outnumbered and a tension was evident on every pick up and return. Just going into intake to pick up an inmate for transport was a interesting expieriance, the staff always appeared 'spooked' by the mass of inmate traffic in and out and overwhelmed by the system. You are on the street now, you will get frustrated and agrivated quickly in the closed correctional enviornment, I hated transport duty for even that small time inside the walls. I could of easily transfered to BOP and traveled less, but for me the end result was not worth the issues that it would entail, so I traveled, kept my good pay, and the family adapted as required. Even being on the street the stress of Law Enforcement after a military career made me make the choice to drive a truck for my personal sanity. There is a burn out factor in Law Enforcemnt, and corrections seem to be the true basement of the career field. Stay on the street, adapt, you will regret going inside the walls, and before five years will need to make another drastic change in lifestyle, I have to many friends with NYPD, as well as still in Federal Law Enforcement, none would by choice ever go corrections after the freedom of the street, and muy little expieriance picking up at the Federal Corrctional facilities reinforces that opinion. ------------- 
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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 2:28pm
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How long would it take to get back on the street, in realtalk? How are the pensions at both places, what % are they funded...are you vested in yours?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 16 January 2011 at 3:26pm
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Personally, I'd take the job I have more fun at, drive be damned.
I currently drive 2 hours (well.. 3 at this station for the next month) to go to work so that I can still live near the family, but do the job I enjoy. Granted I do 24hr shifts.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 12:31pm
Negative on that. SCPD does not take experienced NYPD officers. They like to take college kids that they can train who don't come in with their own habits they developed from being in NYC on patrol. NYC cops treat every day like they are about to get into a fire fight. When my Father was a cop at the 40th in the South Bronx, that was a daily event. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 3:09pm
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I'm sure you know more than me, I only know what I read. Last article I read on it suggested that applying with anything less than five years meant your application went straight into the trash. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 3:26pm
Some one was blowing smoke up your butt. They are prepping for the SCPD test now and trying to recruit heavily. The recruiting advertisement is still outside the HQ, I drive by it every day on my way to work. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 4:50pm
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Old article at this point, but I'm sure the statistics haven't changed much. Either way, clear that the SCPD do take experienced officers. They may prefer people with less ingrained habits, I'm sure it comes down to the specific officer to a great extent. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/nyregion/22cops.html?_r=1 - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/nyregion/22cops.html?_r=1 ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Uncle Rudder
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 6:54pm
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If it ain't no fun, cut bait and run. That goes for women also. ------------- 
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Posted By: contacta
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 4:41am
Hey, I will also say the same thing buddy. When
you have asked this question, in the question itself you have clearly mentioned
all the plus points and negative ones regarding the two jobs. Also you yourself
are more aware of the facts as well as the conditions your family is going
through. So I would like to say that you will be the best person to advise
yourself. I am happy to see that you are so much aware of your situation so
that you can take a wise decision. 
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