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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: :)
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 1:35am
Had my 18th birthday today. 'Twas fun. Except for my family has been turned upside-down and gone to hell and I was diagnosed with depression on Tuesday. Other than that, I had some friends over and had a party and I tried to have some fun. Start the "happy" pills tomorrow. (honestly not looking for pity lol) I just try to ignore the bad things because I know my body can't handle it physically and I try to push on.



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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 1:39am
I went through the happy pills stage a few times.

Just some advice...mood stabilizers cab turn you into a zombie, and Xanax can be too fun It certainly helped, but I'm glad I was able to get under control without longterm dependence on the stabilizers. Trust me, the less meds the better.

I hope things work well for you.


Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 1:45am
The pills I got (Celexa) are pretty tame and I hear they are pretty effective, safe, and not addictive at all.


Posted By: God
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 2:46am
Wont having a self esteem cure depression? Or try going ouside instead of sitting at the computer all day.




Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 2:48am
Originally posted by God God wrote:

Wont having a self esteem cure depression? Or try going ouside instead of sitting at the computer all day.




Bad self esteem is a symptom of depression. I'm not stupid, if I could be happy I would. I am at school/work most of the time of my days anyways.


Posted By: Tical3.0
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 7:50am

I can't help this from sounding mean but, what hell can you be depressed about? 



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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 8:25am
Just to vouch, when I went through my crazy period, I was in a serious relationship, worked my ass off at a distribution center all weekend, and had a healthy social life. I was never at a computer or on an X-Box...but it shut down my life. It can happen to anybody.


Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 8:38am
Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

The pills I got (Celexa) are pretty tame and I hear they are pretty effective, safe, and not addictive at all.

I was on this some years ago when I was having major stress / panic attacks... it was at the point where I would start freaking out at least once a day, and I'd be checking routine things multiple times to make sure everything was okay (like making sure my belongings were where I left them, etc.).  It definitely helped stable me out, and I was at the point where I could tell for myself if I was able to lower the dosage and eventually found the point where I didn't need it anymore after about a year and a half (maybe less) if I remember correctly.

So anyways, the stuff works, and good luck with whatever you're dealing with.  It can be rough, but just try to remind yourself it ain't so bad, and always remember and appreciate the good things.


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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 11:21am
Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

I can't help this from sounding mean but, what hell can you be depressed about? 

He's 18, it happens.

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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

I can't help this from sounding mean but, what hell can you be depressed about? 

He's 18, it happens.
 
This, im dealin with it right now. Im on the same stuff you are rofl, its good stuff.


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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 6:13pm
Originally posted by ammolord ammolord wrote:

Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

I can't help this from sounding mean but, what hell can you be depressed about? 

He's 18, it happens.
 
This, im dealin with it right now. Im on the same stuff you are rofl, its good stuff.


That's good to hear... I took the first one today.


Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

Originally posted by ammolord ammolord wrote:

Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

I can't help this from sounding mean but, what hell can you be depressed about? 

He's 18, it happens.
 
This, im dealin with it right now. Im on the same stuff you are rofl, its good stuff.


That's good to hear... I took the first one today.
 
Yeah, you'll get used to it. wouldnt recomend aciedentaly taking more than it says though like i did once in a hurry.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 23 January 2011 at 11:43am
I never understood depression. I refuse to believe it really is something that requires medication. I mean unless you're nuts and want to commit suicide.

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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 23 January 2011 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I never understood depression. I refuse to believe it really is something that requires medication.
So, if I wish really hard and try to be more proactive, my brain will magically stop producing insufficient levels of seratonin?

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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 23 January 2011 at 3:23pm
Seems kind of strange to doubt a medically and scientifically documented disease, but hey, I guess that's your right.

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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 12:49am
I get that people are skeptical of psychological diseases, but generally; unless you are a trained psychologist, it's generally best to keep your mouth shut. It doesn't seem like much, but saying something like "Grow up and get over it" to someone who has a legitimate case of depression or an anxiety disorder can make the problem so much worse than it already is.

Now, your average drama queen needs to hear something like that every now and then; people with depression however, really don't need and added cause to feel alienated.


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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 8:01am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I never understood depression. I refuse to believe it really is something that requires medication. I mean unless you're nuts and want to commit suicide.

I think most people take this attitude (along with skepticism about ADD/ADHD for that matter) because most everyone has seen times when they were depressed and, one way or another, worked themselves out of it. 

It's easy to assume "Oh, hey, I did it, everyone else is just being dramatic", and in many cases I bet the person being treated could have been helped without meds, but there's definitely room for people out there who have a legitimate chemical imbalance.


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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 9:23am

Not doubting any diagnosis, but what does it say that 1/3 of the people that have posted in this thread have been diagnosed and medicated for depression?



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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 9:50am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I never understood depression. I refuse to believe it really is something that requires medication. I mean unless you're nuts and want to commit suicide.


I used to believe this.
Then things happened to someone close to me, and I not only changed my tune, but realize just how clueless I was. They tried to 'just deal with it' and it didn't work, and ended up pretty bad.

The idea that "Everyone can tough it out" is a pretty simple outlook.
Do I think that its over diagnosed and perhaps over medicated sometimes? Absolutely. But honest to God cases of depression are real, and they do require medical attention. 

What you (and others) don't seem to understand is that if a legitimate case is left unchecked, it can spiral into the level you're talking about.

Far too many people suffer because of this outlook you've got. Too many people are waiting too long to have real cases of depression looked into, and its causing some real problems. In fact, I'll be 100% honest with you, the case that I've been personally involved in, it was my very own "Eh, it'll wear off" attitude that made things worse.

Not everyone can be as "tough" as you. Remember that.


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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 12:44pm
I think Reb's absolutely right.  Two good friends of mine committed suicide in the last year, one of whom refused to seek treatment.  It wasn't that he lacked people who were willing to help him, or that people didn't try.  It was simply that he couldn't do it based solely on willpower.

Sometimes life really does suck.  Hasn't happened to me, but this guy was literally a pillar of my high school's community, and he couldn't do it.  I don't know if he would have made it with medicine, but he never tried.


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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 12:59pm
I've seen my mom wrestle with depression for years, to the point of trying to kill herself, and almost getting into some serious legal trouble because she just didn't care anymore about the consequences of her behaviour.

I've seen her come out of it not too long ago because she finally has a doctor who's prescribed proper pharmacological help, and because she's finally willing to listen to a doctor on the issue. The difference is like night and day.

No, depression as an uncontrollable psychological disorder is bloody real.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 1:52pm

Depression is a tough subject for me. For one, I think that ALOT of "depression" in America is the inability to deal with everyday life. We are a SPOILED freaking country, and I know quite a few people for whom major stress is something like a bank error, or a friend that isn't speaking. Or that you've gained two pounds.

In those cases, in my opinion, people just need to grow up. Being bummed =/= depression.
 
That said, depression is a very real, very physical illness. People that say that depression is trivial have never experienced it, in my opinion. I've been through times where the only way I could describe my life and outlook were "dark". I've suffered panic attacks that left me crippled, literally unable to walk across the room without my heart rate soaring. I gained weight, because I couldn't work out, I ate entirely too much, and my emotions were completely uncontrollable. And if I tried to fight it, my mind fought back at me, and often times this made it even worse.
 
I would have been suicidal had it not been for my religious beliefs. No doubt in my mind. I lost my job, I lost my girlfriend at the time, I went broke, my life completely crumbled. Mental issues are the some of the worst things you'll ever deal with. Just bear in mind that almost everything you do has a mental reasoning or backing behind it. So when you say you'd be able to just deal and continue with life as normal, you're counting a mental response that may not happen when you're dealing with the issue.
 
I dealt with my depression and panic attacks without meds for the most part. I took Xanax, and I sampled the mood stabilizers, but in the end the greatest success for me was the feeling of overcoming it and becoming a stronger, better person because of it. But the whole episode (which really lasted on and off for years) changed me in alot of ways. I am definately much stronger because of it, but I'm also pretty numb emotionally. Nothing really bothers me, and I have a really hard time relating to people anymore. My reaction to stress is either drinking or withdrawing myself from friends / socializing, so most of you probably wouldn't classify me as "fixed", but I'm dealing with those issues as well.
 
My point is, just because I was able to deal and move on, I recognize that, as a physicall illness, there are probably much, much worse cases of depression. I certainly don't look down on people who use meds for that very reason.
 
I do, however, feel that if it's at all possible to break through and move on without medication, that's the way to go. Meds leave you with a feeling of dependency and weakness that, for me at least, is almost as unpleasant as the illness itself.  


Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 7:34am
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I do, however, feel that if it's at all possible to break through and move on without medication, that's the way to go. Meds leave you with a feeling of dependency and weakness that, for me at least, is almost as unpleasant as the illness itself.  

Good post.


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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 11:45am
the biggest key to overcoming mental issues is to recognize them. if your down and you realize its depression or anxiety try to figure out whats the root cause.

i have really bad anxiety problems. for years i never left my house because i would freak out. now i can recognize anxiety and i still freak out but i know its nothing to serious. i can get my breathing under control and be good.

when i find im really depressed i have to start running. being outside or physical exercise help a lot.

and stop flying solo. it doesnt help with depression...

meds might help but they wont fix it. most of the time depression meds will help you gain weight and kill your sex drive. if you can run or find some sort of fun activity to do that will give you physical exercise then you will be happier, in better shape, and not have the nasty side effects from the meds...

try to find out what chemicals your body is lacking and how to be able to create your own.

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Depression is a tough subject for me. For one, I think that ALOT of "depression" in America is the inability to deal with everyday life. We are a SPOILED freaking country, and I know quite a few people for whom major stress is something like a bank error, or a friend that isn't speaking. Or that you've gained two pounds.

In those cases, in my opinion, people just need to grow up. Being bummed =/= depression.

Pretty much how I feel contrary to how black and white my original post made my beliefs seem.

 
That said, depression is a very real, very physical illness. People that say that depression is trivial have never experienced it, in my opinion. I've been through times where the only way I could describe my life and outlook were "dark". I've suffered panic attacks that left me crippled, literally unable to walk across the room without my heart rate soaring.

So have I. In fact I got kicked out of my internship due to them. I had one really bad one night, and then couldn't recover for a whole week. I kept having them every time "stress" happened. I left work early 3 times that week. I finally went to the doctor and was 15 minutes late(Hospital was 2 hours away) and they told me to get out.
Due to being kicked out I was able to just relax for a couple weeks and got back to actually being able to function.


The fact is I am 90% certain that if I went to a doctor and explained my feeling, and how my emotions are I would be given meds for something that is entirely controllable by me without meds. As you notice in my post I mention extreme cases...I don't doubt they exist.


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 4:22pm
For you. Perhaps.

With everyone being able to handle things differently, what YOU might not need medication for may be what someone else DOES need it for.

The fact that you didn't go and get it taken care of it using pharmaceutical methods doesn't mean that everyone else can do exactly the same thing- and no, they don't have to be "Nuts or suicidal"
Extreme =/= Serious  
 

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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 4:24pm
Why are you arguing with me? You already agreed with me....

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Do I think that its over diagnosed and perhaps over medicated sometimes? Absolutely.


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Why are you arguing with me? You already agreed with me....

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Do I think that its over diagnosed and perhaps over medicated sometimes? Absolutely.


We aren't saying the same thing.

You're saying that only extreme suicidal cases should be medicated.
I'm saying that some of the lower risk cases may not need medication.

A lot of depression can be treated with dietary and lifestyles. A lot can't.


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Why are you arguing with me? You already agreed with me....

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Do I think that its over diagnosed and perhaps over medicated sometimes? Absolutely.



You're saying that only extreme suicidal cases should be medicated.



No. I am basically saying it is over diagnosed and over medicated....


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:



No. I am basically saying it is over diagnosed and over medicated....


No, that's what I said. You said:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I refuse to believe it really is something that requires medication. I mean unless you're nuts and want to commit suicide.


I'm not very bright, but you made it abundantly clear even to me that unless one is suicidal, a depression case doesn't warrant medication.

I'm not arguing with you for the sake of arguing. We agree on the basic premise that all all cases of depression may not require medication. You set the bar much too high for me to agree with you completely however.

We may have used similar words, but are not saying the same thing on any more than a very fundamental level.




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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:



No. I am basically saying it is over diagnosed and over medicated....


No, that's what I said. You said:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

I refuse to believe it really is something that requires medication. I mean unless you're nuts and want to commit suicide.


I'm not very bright, but you made it abundantly clear even to me that unless one is suicidal, a depression case doesn't warrant medication.

I'm not arguing with you for the sake of arguing. We agree on the basic premise that all all cases of depression may not require medication. You set the bar much too high for me to agree with you completely however.

We may have used similar words, but are not saying the same thing on any more than a very fundamental level.




Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:


Pretty much how I feel contrary to how black and white my original post made my beliefs seem


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 6:44pm
Okay, so that remark is in response to strato's idea that much of what can be construed as depression is merely stress. You're STILL saying that 'You're either suicidal or don't need medication.'

But lets assume that we're not talking about those 'faux' afflictions, but real diagnosed cases of clinical depression. Do you still maintain that only the most extreme cases should be treated with medication?

You seem to be only recognizing the two extremes. Cases which aren't really depression, of which none of us are fit to actually diagnose, and cases in which people are 'nuts' and want to kill themselves. What about the HUGE spectrum in between? Couldn't there be people who aren't suicidal that could benefit from medication? Might there even be people who could BECOME suicidal without being treated with medication first?


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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 25 January 2011 at 9:11pm
Haha. I have been saying since the first post that I don't put it in two extremes brother man. I have been saying we are saying the same thing but you keep going back to the first post which is why I quoted my response to strato

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