I R a Gunsmith.
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Topic: I R a Gunsmith.
Posted By: Kayback
Subject: I R a Gunsmith.
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 6:49am
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Actually I'm a redneck with a soldering iron.
As most of you already know my daily CCW is a Glock 26. Now the Glock 26 is a fantastic little weapon, however it as a coulpe of draw backs. One being is is a little weapon. If i could do it again I'd go with a Glock 19 and probably cut the handle down a bit. But alas, due to budgetary constraints, as well as local gun laws, I can't do that. So, how to make the Glock 26 a better weapon? Well if you are Glock, you release the Glock 26, Gen 4 
If you are a poor starving African, you modify it yourself. 
The original Glock frame is very very slick. It has some very minor bumps on the side pannels, and some almost understated chekering on the front and back strap. When your hands get a little sweaty, as happens in the 36C heat or, say, under stress, the weapon becomes very hard to hold onto. If the Gen4 26 is anything like the Gen 4 17, then the new grip is great. The original one not so much. So after a little looking around, and seeing what other people have done I decided to give it a shot. I practiced on some old Springer BB guns I had, and while those lessons were fine, they were also not really the same as working on the Glock polymer. The Glock 26 has only been stippled on the front strap, right hand side, and half way aroud the back strap. Leaving most of the left side of the gun original. This is because as a CCW it rides against my skin and the stippling can be rather rough. That is the whole idea of the stippling really. I did bend the stippling on the front too far around the frontstrap and is does rub, but not too much. I won't be that enthusiastic if I ever do it again. One added bonus is the minute ammount of grip increase you get. I find the Glock frame now fills my hand better. The stippling raises a minute ammount of polymer in a ridge. About half a mil or something. It is a very minute change, but it feels so much better. The +2's on the mags all take stippling very well and the increased grip is immediately noticible. The mag pouches I have are Glock 19 pouches, so the little bitty 10 rounders hardly fit in them, with the +2's and the stippling gripping and drawing the reloads is much easier. First true outing is this Saturday, shooting IDPA and 3 gun. Lets see how it holds up. KBK |
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 8:27am
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nice. i am considering a glock in .45, convince me Kayback. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 8:55am
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I finally caught the bug which you guys speek of. This past tuesday I got to shoot a hand gun for the first time.
Only a .22 But $12 for 50 rounds and my first time it was pretty cool. Wanna try somthing bigger now.
Going to look into getting a license.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 10:25am
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$12 for 50 rounds of 22? Wow. A brick of 22 is normally $10. But shooting is fun, there's no doubt about it. So that thing carries 12 rounds, Kayback? Quite a punch for such a little gun. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 12:29pm
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ParielIsBack wrote:Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 1:00pm
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I haven't bought .22 in years, but that's what it was the last time I shot. Either way, $12 is steep.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 1:24pm
| lol steep |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 1:26pm
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last time i looked i think a 550rd brick was ~18$... i know i paid more than 14 for my last one.
paying 5$ for 50 rds of good 22 isnt bad here. might be more, i only buy bulk junk... if you take a file and lightly go over the parts that rub you should knock off most of the high points that bite you but retain alot of the texture for your hand. ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 1:36pm
| if he got it from walmart it may have been cheap, but if he bought the rounds at the range it would explain the cost difference...the range has to make money somehow |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 4:08pm
I carry it with 13. 12 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. My spare mags are sometimes 19 round Glock 17 mags and I have a Glock 18 mag in the car, 33 rounds. It is a tight little package. Ceesman. Go for it. The .45 is one of the nicest rounds to shoot. They make decent holes in the target. My current handload is a 235 grain truncated cone, and damn is it fun to shoot. There is possibly a problem with lead handloads and Glocks. I personally haven't experienced it, and my 26 eats a steady diet of lead 124 grain truncated cone rounds. It's pretty much all I feed her. But if you are worried you can always get an after market barrel. OF the .45 Glocks, it depends on what you need it for. The Glock 36 makes a damn fine CCW, but it only holds 7 rounds and spare mags are expensive. But the Glock 21 SF is where it is at. Glocks aren't sexy, but they are good at shooting. They will take what abuse you give them and come asking for more. The SF is about as good as you can get in the Glock range, and definately in the .45 range. I'd stay clear of the .45 GAP simply because it is too expensive here. (and I have no experience with them). But why a Glock? The M&P is the latest and greatest, and it is a damn fine pistol. Why not go for a M&P? I found that the M&P was pretty much what a Glock should have been. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 4:10pm
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I assume he bought it at the range. I guess if you're doing it once, it's not bad. But 24 cents a round is expensive for any pistol ammo. More expensive than I'd be willing to pay to go plink (although I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, given that I have cheaper alternatives.)
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 5:10pm
| A brick at Wal-Mart is 18 bucks. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 27 January 2011 at 9:16pm
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African rednecks you say.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 12:54am
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Kayback and Ceesman,
I had a Glock G21. The full sized .45. I have since sold the Glock and got the Smith M&P45. I love the M&P, it fits my hand better. The interchangeable back straps are nice. The G21 had 13 round mags, and the M&P has 10 round Mags. Yes you will get fewer rounds, but the gun is that much more comfortable. That and Smith usually has some sort of rebate where you can get extra mags or money back.
As for the G21, I had the gunsmith at the PD do pretty much the same thing to mine. Keep in mind that he was certified by Glock.
Ceesman, Don't go on brand name alone. Go to your local gun shop and take a feel of the two. See which one fits you. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 7:39am
| flurry- the thing that sucks for me and ceesman is that NY only allows ten round mags. Can't wait to get out of this state... |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 10:25am
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Thanks Flurry, Glock and the Springfield XD are my two that I am currently looking at. The last time I fired a Glock was roughly 8 years ago and it was like holding a brick. I have large hands too and I felt it was a bit too much. I already have a 1911 (Colt Gold Cup)and it shoots everything including lead rounds so Glock is starting to fall on my list.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 12:36pm
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If you are limited to 10, and you want a serious work horse blaster, then get an M&P in .45. As combat tupperware goes they are rock solid.
If you can, and your laws allow it, do what others have suggested to me and get the Smith & Wesson M&P45 - Threaded Barrel Kit. It is an extra $200, and you'll have to shell out another $200 in tax stamps plus whatever the supressor sets you back, but you'll have a damn nice toy. I'd get one if they weren't the equivalent of a new car here. Damn import taxes and gun dealers making their profit in DOLLARS. Grrrr. The Glock 21 SF is a nice weapon, don't get me wrong. I loved the one I shot, and a Glock 21 SF Gen 4 would be boobs. You might want to look at the Glock 37 in .45GAP. Like I said I don't want a GAP because there is absolutely ZERO ammunition supply. It would end up sitting unused in the safe next to my brother's unused .454 Casull. Given that you already have a 1911 and you are limited to 10 rounds, I don't see why you shouldn't get an M&P. It would make the perfect stable mate. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 12:41pm
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Thanks. I will be window shopping this weekend at a few local shops. I will be sticking with .45 because I have a large stock pile of it and a friend has the dies to reload .45 caliber. "go with what ya know!", so .45 cal it is.
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 2:09pm
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GAP is hard to get everywhere. An M&P in 9mm is high on my list of purchases once I have somewhere to keep guns. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 4:14pm
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I saw a guy do this to the TPX. I'd never have the brass cojones to do it to a reciever grip frame. Looks nice kudos on having the guts and making it look good. ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 28 January 2011 at 8:43pm
| Glock 20. |
Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 8:08am
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I haven't played with the Springfields too much. I know a few people who love them, but no one who has one as a duty weapon.
Glock Pros:
Durable guns, they can take moisture well with little to no rust.
Affordable on most budgets. If a cop can afford it, almost anyone can.
High cap mags. the G21 mag. carries 13 rounds. I think the G22 holds 15 rounds.
You can get the ported barrels to reduce muzzle rise. I have never played with this, but looks cool.
Holsters are cheapish and easy to find.
Comes with free cleaning tools.
Glock Cons:
Size of the G21. The thing is a brick. (G21SF may have made a little better)
No interchangeable grips. "May have changed with Gen 4."
One size does not fit all.
Shooting Re-Loads will void warrenty. I have seen pic's of the side of a glock blown out at a PD range. Injured officer's hand. "This may be the same for some handguns and re-Loads. Not sure"
Finger groves that didn't line up with my hand. To remove will void warrenty unless done by Glock certified gunsmith.
NOT MADE IN USA
M&P Pros:
Druable, same as Glock as far as I can tell.
Interchangeable Grips "Sml, med, lrg.
Affordable
Rebates "Usually free mags, or money"
Holsters are avaliable, but they take a little longer on order. same cost.
There is a Smith pro shop where the M&P can be sent for upgrades and repairs. There is also fast shipping options.
No finger groves. Aftermarket finger grooves are out there somewhere.
MADE IN USA
M&P Cons:
High cap Mags hold only 10 rounds. Standard mags hold 8 rounds I think.
There is a ridge on the bottom of the trigger guard that can cause irritation to your middle fingure. "Maybe thats just me."
No free cleaning tools.
Like I said, I love my M&P 45. I liked my Glock, but it was just sized to wierd for my hand. I had my Glock finger groves removed to reduce the size of the grip "by a certified Glock Gunsmith." This made it easier to hold and shoot, but still sized too big for me. My Sgt. and I believe the M&P to have a better barrel.
If you know of something I missed, add it.
All in all, The advice here is personal preferace. To get the best idea of what you want you will have to handle and shoot each gun for yourself. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 8:36am
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Ah.Guess what. When you modify your Glock, you could say you enhance your service pistol.
So I don't shoot "Stock Service Pistol" any more, it is now an "Enhanced Service Pistol". Doh. Oh well. It now shoots bloody fantastically. It was a decent day out. 37C, sweaty hands, that has just had sunscreen on them and it was rock solid in my grip. Totally a step up. KBK |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 9:31pm
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My buddy did the same thing to his M&P .40 and it was alot better. The only reason I haven't done the same to mine is it destroys resale and I think I might switch to a single stack .45. I know caliber is an issue being in SA, so I understand the 26 for you. http://www.freeimagehosting.net/">
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 That's my 27. I use the Pearce extension plates cause I don't like my pinky hanging off and printing isn't really a concern of mine. It seems to really affect my follow up shots and the plate corrects it a good bit.. And yes KB, those are glasers before you call me out on it, haha.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 3:01am
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The 26 was chosen because it was a small 9x19mm. That's what the cops carry here, so I can't be accused of having intent to kill someone by shooting them with "more" gun than the cops use.
I also don't like the recoil of the .40's. Especially in the smaller framed guns. Fortunately (?!) I don't have to worry about resale, there is pretty much zero second hand weapon market here. I've seen the exact same Glock 27 for sale for 5 years, it has gone from R5000 to R10 500. It was easy to make the choice to improve my weapon or not. Fortunately it turned out that it WAS an improvement and I didn't screw up the frame permanently :) You looking at the Glock single stack .45? They are nice weapons. KBK Edit, and Glasers? lol :p |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 10:31am
Exactly, I've read articles about caliber usage there and bigger calibers can screw you over if you have to use them, but let's be honest... A 9mm will still do the job.
I'm not really in the market for a glock 36. I thinking a 4" 1911, just to switch it up a bit :) ------------- |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 12:06pm
And not require a bank loan to buy ammunition for.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 3:18am
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My 1911 lives on 235grain Truncated cone handloads. It is honestly cheaper to shoot my .45 than my .22.
KBK |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 11:21pm
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Posted By: Flurry
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 7:28am
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I have read some articals about cal. usage. "If you carry anything bigger than a 9mm you are out looking tor trouble." Gotta love lawers and liberals. They have the idea that the scumbag's life is more meaningfull than the mine or yours. It will be a damned cold day in hell i will willing let some dirtbag take my life. I carry a .45 cal on and off duty. If I have to use it, I know I will go to court. I will take court over the dirt nap any day. I hope you all feel the same. I like standing BEHIND my 45 rounds. ------------- It sucks being antisocial alone. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 10:08am
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It was just something else in the box. The cops here all carry 9x19mm, and the military use it.
I like the .45ACP, but honestly? I like the 13 rounds in the gun, the 2x 19 on my belt and the 33 in the glove box. 9x19mm can put someone down just as hard as a .45ACP, shot placement > everything. At least in the USA you can argue that some units use .45ACP. As for using handloads in competition, I use my own handloads. I have purchased some when I've needed to, but I prefer my own. And mine rock. I don't use minimum loads. They are 900fps at 235 grains, so they hoof it. They are also more accurate than I am. KBK |