Soulful National Anthem?
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Topic: Soulful National Anthem?
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Subject: Soulful National Anthem?
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 9:10pm
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Mixed feelings. While I am all for artistic interpretation, I guess my stance is that if she wants to sing the song at a school funtion, do it the way they ask. If not, don't do it. I mean if someone decided to gangsta rap the Anthem, should we be required to let them? http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/361718/ind-girls-national-anthem-rendition-stirs-flap/ - http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/361718/ind-girls-national-anthem-rendition-stirs-flap/
TL/DR : African American Indiana girl decides to sing her own soulful rendition fo the National Antherm and is told not to. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 9:38pm
| Whats up with the African-Americans in the military quote? |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 9:58pm
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Meh. Its no worse than some overblown celebrity screwing up the words or putting their own dopey twist on it. Not long ago, I may have been annoyed at this, but if I'm going to demand that other people 'lighten the hell up' I suppose I ought to do the same- I mean in the end, what exactly does it matter? ------------- ? |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 10:31pm
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The US Anthem is fairly unique in that it can be sung in a variety of ways and still sound awesome. I don't see how it is an insult to anybody to sing it in a style that feels right to the singer, especially when it's done soulfully. If anything, her way of singing it showed that she was putting passion into the anthem when so many just let it drone on as if they're being forced to sing it. ------------- 
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 10:46pm
I laughed, that's all I'm saying.
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oldpbnoob wrote:Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 11:01pm
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I didnt read the link, but it reminds me of Jimi Hendrix's guitar version. ------------- 
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 29 January 2011 at 11:31pm
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Which rocked. Frankly, I think we could do much better with our national anthem, but I'm quite sir that Francis Scott Key is way to dead to care how people sing it. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 1:04am
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My personal beliefs: The National Anthem exists to honor our country. Any attempt to add artistic interpretation to the national anthem is an attempt to honor one's self rather than to honor the country. The national anthem should be performed in accordance with the original musical score. Any other performance is a selfish attempt to gain recognition for one's personal abilities rather than for our country. I disagree with any attempt to modify the Nation Anthem from its original form. That being said, I read about 5 sentences from that story. The people saying that this is about race are retarded. It has nothing to do with race, in my eyes, and everything to do with respecting our country's song. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 3:10am
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But it is also a 200 year old song. If everyone sang it the same way it would be boring. The whole point of getting someone with skillz to sing it is so they can add their twist to it.
Everyone singing it the same is so large crowds can all be in tune. Besides, the damn thing only became official in the 1930's. So really? Is it THAT important if it is still done with respect and honour? |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 4:51am
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Is it that important that our national anthem be sung with respect and honor? Yeah, i think it is. -------------
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 8:45am
Here's what the original musical score would've sounded like as Mr. Key was preparing the lyrics (it was written without the music in mind). I guess I'd have to agree with you now. I cannot think of any other way we should sing the anthem but with a beer in hand.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 9:27am
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Why has it become socially acceptable to throw down the race card anytime a black person is not permitted to do something(you know what I mean)? Technically, isn't anyone classifying her rendention as a black version just as guilty of racism? ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 9:45am
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Tolgak makes a good point -- he wrote it to the tune of a popular drinking song. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 10:31am
Because it's unfortunately become one of the easiest way to get what you want in the US these days |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 10:48am
I see this. I really do. But I'm of the mind that merely SINGING it is respectful of it and the country. They're not permanently changing it- they're merely exercising the freedoms that are so lauded by the song in the first place. Setting conditions on freedom of speech or expression at such a low level as "Don't sing the sing differently" seems to go against the grain of the message that the song is trying to get across in the first place. If the "Official" version was changed, then I can see taking a little bit of offense. It'd be like the push to amend the pledge. If someone doesn't want to say "Under God" when saying the pledge for personal reasons, fine. If the official pledge was amended to remove the line from it, Not so fine. Its the same thing as singing the song in a different manner. The message is the song and its lyrics. Not the manner in which it's sung. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 10:56am
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 11:28am
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It was added in the '50s, right? Since of course Communists wouldn't say.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 12:02pm
I'd argue that the act of singing a national anthem is, in itself, a self-serving thing. There is no mystical American supreme being that accepts the gifts of a properly sung anthem into its ears and blesses the country for it. It's an anthem sung so that those performing it, and hearing it, enjoy it. That's pretty much it. It's a symbol. And that's not a bad thing. But the way symbols work is based on what is received from the code, not how the code is performed.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 12:45pm
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I think I'm going be counter conservative for a change...I thing that adding a personal twist to the anthem makes it a think of personal pride, which is sadly neglected by modern society.
As far as this girl goes, if she was asked to sing a certain way, that has nothing to do with the anthem and everything to do with following directions.
Oh, and I know it's been mentioned, but as far as I'm concerned this is the most hair-raising, stirring version ever produced-
So much feeling and reflection on the event of the time, I can't think of anything more suitable for that generation. Truly amazing.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 1:25pm
'tis now. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 3:37pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 4:25pm
"Is it THAT important if it is still done with respect and honour? Read. comprehend, post. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 5:28pm
Conversely, it wasn't okay to add, but alright to remove? ------------- ? |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 5:36pm
I guess this is where I hijack the debate...
 It is completely appropriate to have "under God" in our national anthem. Religious beliefs of some kind are a dominant driving force in our society, there's nothing wrong with reflecting that in our anthem. Whenever it was added is irrelevant to me, just my opinion.
I would see it differently if was "UNDER THE CHRISTIAN GOD", but it's not. And the vast majority of our country believes in a God of some kind, and that force drives our politics, economy, and ideologies.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 5:48pm
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God is a proper noun, it refers to one specific god. -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 5:50pm
If it wasn't okay to add it, then removing it is just undoing a mistake, not making another one. -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 6:31pm
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Another mistake: not using the edit button. I think there's a fair argument in people not saying the "under God" part if they don't like it. Conversely, it would be much harder to fit it in if you skipped straight from "one nation" to "indivisible". (Also, I'm impressed that I can remember that much after not saying it in right around a decade.) ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 6:59pm
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 8:04pm
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Except you cannot verbally fit "under God" in if you remove it, as everyone will already have moved onto "indivisible". The other way around, people can just not move their lips.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 8:26pm
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It's a pledge to a flag that represents a group of people, not a prayer. Religion should have no place in it. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 9:52pm
I think you have valid logic here, but be careful with oversimplifying a matter such as this.
There's a key word in your post -
I'm all up for getting rid of specific references to specific religions, but we are a nation that prides itself in religious diversity and freedom-it's as much a part of who we are as anything else. Again, if it was ONE NATION UNDER JESUS, I could see the point. But the majority of this country believes in a god of some kind, it's a basic principle represented in every aspect of our society.
If you removed everything that didn't represent everyone, we'd just have a white flag with <INSERT IDEOLOGY HERE> written on the front.
I'm not trying to push some uber conservative THESE COLORS DONT RUN LOL agenda, but I fail to see the issue here. Someone's always going to be offended or bothered by something, unless you completely sacrifice national identity and culture.
Which all goes back to my original point...I think the anthem, pledge, hell even the flag itself, can be moulded to fit the ideas of an individual. Don't want "Under God" in it? Don't say it. Want to sing the national anthem to the tune of "Bad Romance" by Lady Gaga? If you feel it, go for it.
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 11:23pm
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I was going to get into the whole "under god" bit, but it's just not worth the energy.
♪♪♪L-L-L-Land of the - L-Land of the freeee. H-H-H-Home of the - H-Home of the brave.♪♪♪ -------------
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 11:27pm
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If I don't like Alaska, can I have a flag with 49 stars? Semi-serious. I giggled-aloud Tolgak. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 30 January 2011 at 11:44pm
I completely hummed Tolgak's lyrics aloud...
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 7:49pm
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Just reviving this to say "Well done Miss Aguilera." -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 8:31pm
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Saw that. LOLd so hard. ------------- 
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 8:52pm
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Lol, it was terrible. I had customers with this on in the office so we could hear it, and everyone was laughing hard. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 8:57pm
| It was not the best rendition I've ever seen. |
Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 9:06pm
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You yanks get too uptight with stuff like this. My national anthem has a couple of different versions, one involves some swear words. I consider them both as valid as each other. Oh boo hoo it's only a song.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 9:10pm
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Lol, scotchy, its not that we are uptight, she just screwed up sooooooo badly, and it was sooooooo terrible. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 9:13pm
| not the aguilera lady, just the whole discussion in this thread. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 10:16pm
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Yeah, I wouldn't care if I was British either -------------
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 10:56pm
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Lol eville. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 10:57pm
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I missed the National Anthem (walking over with beer at the time.) Turns out that wasn't a bad thing.
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