Looking to now buy a Mosin-Nagant
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Topic: Looking to now buy a Mosin-Nagant
Posted By: SSOK
Subject: Looking to now buy a Mosin-Nagant
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 3:00pm
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I originally wanted an SKS, but when I realized that the Ruskies were $400, Chinese were $300, and crappy Yugo's were $250, I decided to wait until the Obama hype is over, or just save up for a Mini 14, which I wanted more anyway.
So now, to fill my commie gun position, I want an M44. Whats the deal with the outrageous prices I am seeing? $200? I can find hex reciever 91/30's for $80 online, but I cant find a M44 in the $100-150 ballpark. I would really like an unmolested eastern bloc M44, no Finns or Chinese.
Is a cheap surplus carbine too much to ask for? ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 3:15pm
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Yes.
Unless you are wanting to play pretend 80's TV series, why a Mini 14? I'm fairly sure I've asked you this before, but WHY? KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 3:31pm
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^^see above^^ If you want a used Mini 14, do a quick search and see when it was made, serial number search with Ruger. My experience with the Mini 14 is that, well, it sucked for accuracy, would only use Ruger factory magazines. After markets caused malfunctions. See if you can get one made in the late 90's/early 2000's, some of the others here have not had the same experience I have had and have liked it. The stock is kind of short for me, I'm 6'1", a little uncomfortable having my nose against the receiver. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 3:31pm
I want to eventually get a 5.56 rifle or carbine, and the Mini 14 is a reliable, cheap, and accurate carbine. The original rifles had semi-sloppy tolerances and resulted in crap accuracy, but I have read that quality was stepped up and accuracy followed. M4's are alright, but I have always liked M1 carbines/M14's/M1A's. -------------
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Kayback wrote:Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 3:38pm
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Spend the money and get the Springfield M1A or SOCOM 16...
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 4:10pm
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I got my Russian M44 from a pawn shop for $120, but that was about 3 years ago. If you do get one, make sure you shoot it with the bayonet extended or your accuracy will be off. It's an incredibly fun rifle. ------------- 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 5:50pm
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Find an M-38 if you can. There was another carbine that was actually a shortened full-length rifle made post-war. The model name escapes me and the content filter @ the hospital won't let me go to gun sites. Neither of those models are zeroed for having bayonets. My full-sized Mosin is a great rifle for long-range work. M38 and M-44's are cool because they breath fire and kick like a mule. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 6:00pm
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the M44 is on my 'to get' list- I think its at the top and will be the next one I pick up when I've got the dime to put down on guns again. I've always wanted one, and every time you jerks start talking about them again, I get all lathered up.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 6:21pm
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Forgot about the 38. I wish I had been able to find one, but the 44 is still a hoot and the bayonet makes a good gun stand to keep it out of the dirt. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 6:27pm
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I looked at the M38, but I want a bayonet. Its looking like I am going to have to A. Wait out the Obama hype, B. Spend moar C. get a fullsize Mosin or D. find a really good deal locally -------------
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 6:49pm
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I bought mine during the height of the Obama hype. If prices are going up that much still, it's probably a supply issue. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 10:39pm
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*cough* Finnish Moist Nuggets are superior *cough*
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 10:43pm
gb2/k/ ('pperciate the info) ------------- 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 10:49pm
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 01 June 2011 at 11:13pm
You of all people, Tallen. You're a commie loving-Ovechkin worshiping-cyrillic reading, Ruskie enthusiast and you say the Finnish are superior?
Even though it is true... -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 3:02am
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Mini 14's are ok plinkers. Barely. If you like M1's get one. I believe AutoOrdinance make good ones. If you like the M14/M1A, get one. Springfield make good ones. I don't know where to get a Garand from. The CMP?
But if you want a 5.56 get an AR pattern. They are pretty much the gold standard. Most of the training you will find revolves around them, most the accessories you can get are for them. The after market market is huge. Spare parts are cheap and easily available. They are more user friendly than the Mini. Depending on what you want out of it they might be a little pricey, but the people who make good ones make good ones. Look at EAG, BCM, Daniel Defence, LaRue, LWRC, Colt and Smith and Wesson. There are some lower tier makes like Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA and the like if you just want a plinker. The S&W is a good compromise between damn fine quality and reasonable price. The Mini does not have much going for it. It is hard to get accessories for it, mounting optics is hard, and there are some you have to avoid for accuracy sake. (some say the new ones are no better). There was once a market for the Mini 30, but with AK accessories on the up, why bother. The ONLY plus is the non pistol stock so it is easier to get in some places. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 3:44am
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I believe they come with an optics mount now from the factory. Can't be that hard to scope it. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 4:02am
| They now all have the side-ejection and "ranch rifle" style receiver mounting bases. The problem is that the guide-rod/action bar is a heavy SOB and the cycling action murders scopes, or at least the cheaper ones. Minis are handy, but after market mags are indeed crappy. Even an older commcercial M1-Carbine would be decent (AO has a mixed rep, but I think their warranty allows you to get them fixed easily). I'd take a AR or even AK (even non-converted Saiga) over one any day. The mini I had worked with 5rounders as a plinker, and accuracy was decent until the barrel heated up(which takes 5 rounds). I never scoped it, but the cheaper used ones are going to be the old style. Build your own AR on the cheap. The mini is bottom of the list. Never shot mine again after an up-close confrontation with a bear and it jammed after 2 warning shots, bear waltzed up within bayo distance before my dad hit it with a log. then realized that the thing was out of battery. Primer sealant did a great job of clogging the firing pin also on the stainless model quite often too. DGI or not, AR's are something I'd trust my life to over another mini ever. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 10:50am
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I suppose it depends on what you want to do with it. While I'll admit I did not know the new ones were side ejectors, I wouldn't think it is that easy to scope them, they are hard on scopes.
With a flat top AR and QD mounts you can have red dot sights, you can have magnified scopes, you can have red dot scopes with flip out magnifiers, lights and a whole host of things. Ruger's MRSP is between $880 and $900. The Tactical is $920. The M&P 15 Tactical is $1070. You can get M&P's for $800, with rebates. An EAG will set you back $2000, but it'll come ready to run with # CM® 14.5" Mid Length Gas BFH (Cold Hammer Forged) Barrel (w/ perm A2X™ Flash Hider) # Special Edition E.A.G. Serial Number Series # E.A.G. Logo Laser Etched on Front Magwell and Upper Receiver # LaRue Tactical 9" Tactical Free Float Handguards # TangoDown SCAR Panel Covers (qty 3) # TangoDown QD Vertical Grip-K # TangoDown Battle Grip # TangoDown PR#4 Sling Mount # Vltor USGI QD Front Swivel # Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard # Magpul MOE Stock # Troy Ind/BCM Rear Folding Battle Sight # VTAC Padded Sling # VTAC Light Mount # SureFire G2 LED # BCM® Magazine w/ Magpul Follower # Slip2000 EWL # $200 Certificate toward training with E.A.G. Tactical (Restrictions Apply) Which is pretty much sorted. Slap on a H-1 Micro and you have a great gun. Daniel Defence M4's will set you back around $1500. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89HEefl1KI4 - This is why you pay one and a half grand for a DDM4 You _can_ build your own AR pattern, but I would advise against it. The people who do it for a living are guaranteed to do it better than you will. Throw in warranties and guarantees and you pretty much can't lose by paying that little but extra for a reputable, factory weapon. The factories can also get parts wholesale, meaning you will get quality parts for less than if you buy them retail, which will force you to go with lesser quality parts if you want to stay "under budget". KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 2:23pm
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Stag Arms also makes some pretty good firearms and the base models are cheap enough (also we're a ban-state still so few options for goodies). Also their barrels are warranted for life. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 10:00pm
| I would say to look at the CMMG bargain bin guns, but.... well.... they're out for a while. Still, S&W was doing a deal not too long ago for their AR for ~$600. Cheaper than a mini! |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 02 June 2011 at 10:56pm
| S&W's are nice rifles, I know a few people who work at the factory and at Troy Ind. as well. So yeah, buy theirs. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 12:02am
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I think I remember complaining that M44's were too much money... hence why I am not looking to shell out money for an M1A, AR, AK, ruskie SKS, Mini, etc.
I want a cheap carbine. I found Ruskie M44's online for $79.99.....out of stock. Probably been out of stock since 2006 at that price. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 2:17am
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Ah I thought you meant the price was too high for a Nagat. But you wanted a 5.56 as well and were willing to pay more for one of those.
The problem is the Mini isn't a decent rifle. You would be better served in the world of 5.56 by buying a M&P 15. Especially if the price is comparable. You would have more room for growth with the M&P. The M&P will be better out the box than pretty much any Mini you will ever find. You can get some Pmags straight away and be way ahead of the game. If cost is an issue getting it right the first time is best. ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 1:42pm
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My preference for the mini has nothing to do with accuracy, reliability, or how much crap I can bolt on to it. I. HATE. STAR. CHAMBERS. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 3:44pm
Get your ding a ling stuck in one before? Or is it from countless repeated field strippings |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 3:52pm
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Spending hours upon hours upon hours getting every nook and cranny spotless. -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 4:00pm
"return to Armory inspection"? ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 4:00pm
Brake parts cleaner and a air compressor haha. Have you shot and cleaned a piston ar? Muy bueno. |
Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 8:24pm
Got my M44 with everything for all of $150 localy  ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 03 June 2011 at 8:26pm
Exactly
I have not, but those tend to be quite a bit more expensive, upwards of 1k from what I've seen. -------------
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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 5:13pm
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I bought a Mini-14 in 08 and a Bushmaster in late 09. I must say that I like the Bushmaster a little bit better, but the Mini-14 is a decent gun. ------------- Face it guys, common sense is a form of wealth and we're surrounded by poverty.-Strato |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 8:04pm
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I've only shot a couple of Mini's and I must say no they aren't.
They are marginal. Especially if you are comparing something like the M&P 15. If you throw in half a dozen spare mags, the M&P even comes out as cheaper. I don't know if your one is an "improved" one, but even those have issues. Proprietary magazines? When the USA is awash with aluminium GI and aftermarket mags and polymer AR-15 mags. Why? Ruger scope bases? When the rest of the known world is incorperating 1913 rails? You can buy RISSIAN weapons with this rail, but not a made in the USA rifle? Please. The Mini has crappy ergonomics. The safety inside the trigger guard? Even the M1 Carbine had a decent safety. Head to Head I'd rate the M1 Carbine over the Mini 14 any day of the week. I'll admit I've shot way more M1 Carbine than Mini 14, but I have shot more Mini than AR and I'd still take the AR. As I understand it, the Mini is .223 Remington anyway. I get wanting something because you want it. I really do. I just DON'T get wanting something as useless as a Mini 14. If you want a mag fed wood stocked weapon, get an M1. It'll do everything the Mini 14 does, better. Parts are even cheaper and easier to come by. If you want 5.56mm, the AR's are better in every aspect. ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 9:23pm
| Dude, I'd get an AK over the mini if cleaning is an issue. The mini is just something that has never lived up to what it could have been, since it seems excellent on paper, and even upon inspection. I owened and cleaned a mini for years, if you hated cleaning the star chamber (which is easier when it's still hot, and chamber brushed are available) you would hate cleaning the action block (since I refuse to call it a piston) on the mini. That massive hunk of reciprocating crap actually causes the barrel to flex significantly, and actually causes forward recoil that kills scopes much like piston air guns. Expected accuracy is worse than most AKs. I didn't mind the ergonomics (safety is the same as M1 Garand/M-14) except the stock, and it seems like it would be a reliable system, but Ruger opted to stop making hi-cap mags under political pressure, and nobody else makes a good one. The M-1 carbin would do a much better job and be lighter, and at least as accurate. the 5.56mm has better ballistics but if you cant hit a target at range what's the point? You can find used ones cheap, and there's a good reason for that. People get something better after they get fed up with that rifle. |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 9:33pm
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Ruger still ships 30 rounders with minis... -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 9:39pm
I'd trade my M-4 for an M1 any day, but unfortunately it's tough to shell out nearly 2 grand for a plinker  I know where he's coming from there, that's kind of one of those later in life "I'm gonna spoil myself" things when I'm out of college and have a good job. But I do lust after them pretty hard, especially the competition models.
I had a Mini-14, absolutely hated it. Of course it was one of the older styles, I haven't shot the new ones, but it was pretty terrible. Jammed, lackluster accuracy, etc.
I'd take my AK over one any day, especially at around half the price if you look around. ------------- 
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 9:47pm
Plus you could always trade it for a tatoo if needed. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 10:46pm
And to buy new ones costs you $40 for 20 rounders and $50 for 30. Pmags? $13 for 20 and $15 for 30 rounders....... KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 05 June 2011 at 10:50pm
| If the mini-30 took AK mags it would still only be worthwhile in ban-states. I have no idea why they didn't design it to do so though. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 12:26am
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I appreciate everyones imput, I really do. However, as someone stated earlier, Im looking for a cheapo gun to buy for the time being. Later in life when I am out of college and I have a real job, I will probably buy an M1A, M1 carbine, or some other rifle. I dont want to drop 500+ on anything, I am simply looking for an M44 for the right price. I even gave up on SKS's because they are redonkulously expensive considering they should be ~$100 -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 12:42am
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If it must be an carbine M44, check pawn shops and support your local gun store. Enfields also still seem to be affordable, and slick. You may still be able to find an SKS for the right price somewhere, deals do happen. ($250 was a steal for my Russian, but that was a few years back). Even a Chinese SKS is a deal, and there should still be cheapo Yugos out there. Saigas are also a good bet. Basically a hunting version low-cap AK, and can be converted to hi-cap and pistol grip versions when you can afford it. Also plenty of caliber options. Next best thing to an SKS. Also come with a scope rail, and reports of good accuracy in 5.56mm and 7.62 NATO Also, if you could give us what your intended use is it would be helpful, if and what you plan on hunting, what ranges etc. Even a .30-30 levergun does most of what an SKS does minus clip-loading. Even with the Mosin, it can be a pain to find good stripper clips as the after-market ones are almost always crap unless someone has come up with a better one. I have 2 after-markets I managed to tweak to function,but the other 6 or 8 were junk. Most 7.62X54R is machinegun ammo or sporting stuff. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 5:30am
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Like I said earlier, I misunderstood your original post. I carried on with that vein because Mini's are THAT bad.
I'd also throw my hat in the Enfield ring. If you can't get a Moisin for the price you want, an Enfield might be a better call. Touching off a .303 British isn't as impressive as a 7.62x54R, but it is still a great rifle and round. 185 @ 2700fps compared to 174 @ 2450fps. But my searches show the Enfields being a little pricey. But then I've seen some mad online prices for M44's as well. I'd go with pawn shops. They make a fun afternoon outing even if you don't find the rifle you want. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 6:01am
| 303 ammo is also more expensive. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 9:36am
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Wow, really? Thats interesting. It is as cheap as chicken feed here. True most of the stuff is WWII stock, but wow.
I suppose it helped that we manufactured hundreds of millions of the damn things during and just after the war. Premium .303 is on par with .308 but goverment stock mil surp is cheaper than .22. Of course there are only some ranges that supply it, but still. Never thought Comm block ammo would be easier to get than Allied ammo. ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 1:06pm
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 11:50pm
| Wait, I might still be waiting on my History BA to arrive in the mail, but weren't the Russians our allies in two world wars? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 3:59am
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Yeah but you know what I mean.
:p I was gonna say Comm Block vs NATO, but the .303B wasn't a NATO round. East vs West? Imperial vs Soviet? The 7.62x54R was around when the Soviet was Imperial. British vs Russian? Not only the Brits made .303B, not only the Russians made 7.62x54R. Maybe I should have just said .303B v 7.62R, but I was wanting to differentiate between a country with free trade with the USA and a Commie country with less trade. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 9:18am
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My cousin just bought 1000 rnds of Greek mfg .303B for $80 at a gun show upstate. It is out there but be careful with corrosive surplus ammo. In other words, run a few Hoppes or oil soaked patches through the Enfield after you are done firing it. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 5:39pm
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Update:
As most people know, I live in NJ. NJ=terrible for gun ownership=crappy gun stores. So, I drove around PA today looking for this one gun store my dad went to years ago in Marshalls Creek. It was a spur of the moment thing. We couldnt find it, so we stop at this nice looking sports place in Stroudsburg, and they had two Romanian SKS's for $400, and three Russian 91/30's for $109 each. The 91/30's looked alright but I decided to pass.
I get home, and talk to my 76 year old neighbor. I pester him jokingly about how much for his M1 Carbine... and he says $200. Mind you, this is an Inland GM M1 Carbine that saw combat in Europe, completely original, even has its original rack number of 16 written on it. He got it for free sometime shortly after the war... his sister was dating the guy who carried it in Europe.
For $200, I cant pass it up. I am tempted to run down to the bank and withdraw the cash now, but I will wait a few days. I feel almost bad stealing it from the guy, so Ill probably tell him what its worth and then see what he thinks. I am pretty sure he is only selling it to me because he likes me. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 7:43pm
| Make sure you never sell it for more than $200, if you do decide to sell down the road. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:28pm
Why?
Just curious. Im not going to sell it unless I literally HAVE to (ie: must feed others). Even then, a few things would be on the chopping block long before. I would feel morally wrong for turning a profit.
Also, I talked to him again. He says he knows what it is worth, but he never uses it and he would like to see me have it. Cool.
BTW, before anyone says anything, no he is not senile or anything. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:34pm
Selling a firearm without a FFL |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:39pm
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What does that have to do with anything? -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:40pm
| Pretty sure if you sell <10 guns per year you're allowed to make a profit and don't need an FFL. Buy he carbine, never sell it anyways. My Garand even though it's not a collector is about the last thing I'd sell. Even if I end up homeless I can still use it to aquire food. |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:45pm
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 10:23pm
Sure about that? I'm not saying one would get convicted for the alleged crime. But the F troop will make you go broke having you fight it. A common ATF sting is hearing a conversation at a gun show between 2 private sellers. The gun gets sold for $500. A few minutes later the Fed will offer $600 for the same gun. If the seller agrees, BAM he's in cuffs. Anyway congrats on the gat. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 11:36pm
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Thanks. I dont own it yet. I will probably go down to the bank and withdraw the cash money tomorrow..
Technically, it wont be "mine" for awhile... my FID paperwork hasn't finished yet. I get fingerprinted wednesday. The detective in town told me it should be a month to a month and a half for everything, about two weeks ago. So I assume that by mid July I will own an M1 Carbine.
So, my dad will own an M1 sometime this week until sometime mid july. -------------
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 12:08am
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 2:19am
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As I understand it, and it might change state to state selling it for a profit isn't a problem, even if you don't have an FFL. Just so long as you aren't making a living out of it.
I can't see anyone believing $100 profit is a living on a single second hand sale. Esp if someone showed interest and you bought it before they did at a lower price. That's a free economy at work. So long as you live in the same state, and their is no known reason why they wouldn't be allowed to buy one from a FFL then you can do a private sale. That being said if you are at a gunshow and buy a weapon for a good price and someone offers you a better one, probably don't do it. :p But I'd be all over that M1, nice find. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 7:12am
Where do you live? I couldn't imagine having to deal with that BS. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 9:57am
Ain't that the truth.
My MKIII is so much fun to shoot- I prefer it over my Garand- but holy hell is the ammo a bit pricey.
Last year though, I lucked out. My father in law took his ammunition allotment in rifle calibers after asking me if I needed anything specfically. As a result I got 7 boxes of .303 in 180 for nothing.
...Its too bad that man's retiring soon.  ------------- ? |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 10:13am
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^^^^reloading kit! save the brass!
------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 10:28am
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 10:30am
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My freinds are reloading for their Enfields!
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 2:13pm
New Jersey.
I will never be allowed to carry, I can only transport rifles/pistols in locked cases to and from gunstores/ranges, I cant buy a pistol until I am 21, I can only buy one pistol every 30 days when it becomes legal, and I have to get a permit for each one. And 15rnd capacity. -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 3:28pm
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New Jersey, you need a "long gun" permit correct?
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 4:42pm
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No. I need a firearms ID to purchase/own firearms in general. So, I guess. -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 4:47pm
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All you need is a driver's license and no criminal record for long gun purchase here in NY. I have watched people turned down for a purchase for unpaid parking tickets to pending court dates.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 4:55pm
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Well, I dont mind needing a FID to purchase a long gun in my state... but the fact that guns are simply taboo in my state irritate me. For example, I drive a regular cab pickup. It would be nice if I could use a gunrack and lock my ammo elseware, but no. Its not like the nice police osifer that pulls me over couldnt see it clearly from his drivers seat or anything.. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 6:33pm
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I'm sorry. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 9:17pm
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I own it! Its mine! Manufactured 7-42 by Inland Division of General Motors. I havent seen anything that looks out of the ordinary, it appears to be original. I will know more when I disassemble it and lurk moar.
45rnds of .30 carbine, three 15 round mags, and one M1 carbine. For $200! Damn his kids will be pissed off when they find out! -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 9:55pm
| PICS!! |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 10:21pm
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Crappy cellphone pics, I will get more tomorrow.
All in all, it looks mostly original. This should have come from the factory with a non adjustable rear sight, but this one has it. Most M1's after WWII had adjustable rear sights installed, but I was told that the soldier issued this took it home, who then gave it to my neighbor. The barrel and reciever match, so I am happy. I do not know if the trigger assembly matches, as I cant get the thing apart right now. Everything looks original, unmolested, and matching.
All in all, I love it. Looking back, I wouldnt have been happy with the beat up 91/30's and I strongly disliked the sloppy bolts and horrendous import marks.
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 10:39pm
| Can't tell from the pics, has the stock been refinished? |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 11:14pm
| /boner |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 11:19pm
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Holy crap man, that is a nice catch.
I'm way jealous. I hope you enjoy. And for the record, it is a better representation of a wood stocked, mag fed carbine than the Mini would have been. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 11:22pm
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Heh. I aggree with you Kayback. I just never thought that I would be able to afford a Carbine without droping major dough or getting a crappy reproduction.
.30 carbine is kinda a PITA though. Works out to 25-60 cents a round for cheap ammo. It isnt too bad, but still. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 11:38pm
| I've seen good bulk deals at Cabella's. You're going to want to stock up. Interesting about the manufacture date and adjustable sight and bayo lug. I don't know when those became standardized, is it possible that he came back in like 46-47? Anyways, that's a more functional setup. My Grandfather says that was his favorite firearm of the era. Apparently guys used to send them home piece-by piece, and a lot of them came back that way. He never really got into the black market stuff, besides buying booze from the locals. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 11:44pm
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Eish. Although you can shoot lead round nosed reloads through it. Been doing that for years now.
KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 12:02am
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I couldn't see myself shooting that enough, to justify reloading. Maybe a 100 rounds a year. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 7:24am
Fun fact though: The address on your license cannot be that of a P.O Box. Needs to be a physical address. However, DMV wouldn't put a physical address on mine when I got it, because I got mail at the P.O. Box, and they wanted the address where DMV could send official mail to. They wouldn't let me amend it. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 10:13am
more funny laws from the Peoples Democratic Republic of New York. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 4:12pm
This is kinda where I am. I can buy Aguila FMJ's (or however you spell it) for $17 a box from AIM surplus, so I will probably buy a few of those. Ill save the brass, then begin reloading when I get my own place when I graduate and get a real job. I do not even have the room for a reloading bench.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 5:17pm
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Pricing between $40 and $500.
http://northridgeinc.com/store/index.cfm/c129 ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 9:22pm
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I need to post up on the CMP forums, this thing is less original than I think. The sling/bayo mount, safety, and rear sight I think are arsenal refurbs. The stock is an unknown make but not original, and the trigger assembly is National Postal Meter. Still, I dont care. The barrel/reciever match and it all looks legitimate. I couldnt be happier.
Edit: There is one thing I dislike about the M1. The bolt hold open mechanism, or lackthereof. Most GI mags have a crappy follower that doesnt allow the bolt to hold open, and aftermarket ones feed crappy. Also, there is a manual hold open on this, but half the time it allows the bolt to slam foward with the slightest jar. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 6:41am
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Yeah it's better to just ignore the BHO. I never had much luck using them. I DID have good luck with the last-shot-hold-open but I could never manually get it to work. Too finiky.
KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |