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Topic: USPS
Posted By: impulse418
Subject: USPS
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 5:11am
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Is having money problems, again. Oh how I hope they go under. Bye bye job security to the slowest workers in history. |
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 5:15am
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I ordered something to be delivered. Their website shows it was scanned in March 16th. And that was the last scan.
I could have sent my native runner to have fetched it by now. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 1:04pm
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The usps is the cheapest and most efficient parcel delivery service in the history of man. I say we keep it around. ------------- 
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 1:09pm
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I've never had much of a problem with the USPS. UPS has also done right by me. FedEx, however, I've had some serious issues with. Namely that they had no record of my previous address existing. Every single item sent to my old place, through Fed Ex, would get rejected and sent back to the sender. Upon calling FedEx, I was told that my address "Doesn't show up as a place of existence." |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 1:44pm
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Living in Memphis, I have no problems with FedEx. UPS does well for the most part and while it may be a little slower, especially when it comes to tracking a package, USPS has not lost or failed to deliver anything within the provided range of delivery times. I'm curious as to why impulse wants the USPS to shut down. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 2:06pm
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I buy and sell a fair amount of paintball items and would hate to see USPS go away. By far the most conveinent for me considering I can print out a flat rate label, slap it on a box and put it in my mailbox. Alternatively, I walk 2 blocks down the road to the PO. Most times I get deliveries within 2-4 days, even from Cali. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 3:30pm
| I sent a 10 pound package from Ohio to Hawaii for 11 dollars through USPS, and it only took 3 days. I was happy with the experience |
Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 11:51pm
Yep. I'm with Oldpbnoob. I do lots of buying and selling of paintball gear, and amazons. USPS is a great, great thing for individuals who need to ship something. |
mbro wrote:Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 06 June 2011 at 11:55pm
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Wait, you want a bunch of people to lose their jobs Impulse?
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 2:13am
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Eh. UPS, USPS. It's all the same to me. I get pretty much anything within 5 business days. ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 12:35pm
The USPS is quite expensive. No doubt about it. And it's an awkward positioned agency, as it functions as a public service but is expected to operate, financially, as a self-supporting operation. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 2:22pm
| Speaking of postage, Canada Post is on strike right now so we can't send or receive mail through them. (Canada Post = USPS Canadian version) |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 4:34pm
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Last time i shipped a box UPS, it came back round. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 5:58pm
Yes. Bankrupt the USPS. So taxpayers are no longer paying for pensions, bailouts etc. Have a private company come in, and re-interview or hire eager workers to take the spots of the "job security" workers. I can't figure out how the USPS is a private company, but at the same time a federal building. The government has no place being in business. They have proved time and time again they suck miserably at it. But when they need money, they just do a bail out with our inflated monopoly money.... Why should it cost the same to ship a letter across town, or from New York to L.A.? UPS,DHL,FedEx doesn't have that policy, and they are doing fine. In fact I haven't heard of them getting a bail out from tax payers. The words bail out, needs to cease to exist. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 6:06pm
You're advocating the termination of preexisting contracts?
Because it's not a private company. It's an agency of the U.S. government that offers a public service.
At being a business? Yes. I'd imagine they do suck at it, seeing as it has never been the agency's direction to be anything but a self-sustaining public service.
Because those are private companies that don't exist as a public service.
You're leaving out a hilariously glaring part of what would be needed to zero-fund and kill the USPS. I'll give an Internet high-five to the first person who posts it.
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 6:26pm
No, I meant from everyday conversation. If a company fails, it fails. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 6:37pm
I'm no expert on this, but I'd imagine the legal costs associated with attempting to cancel all existing pensions and contracts with USPS workers, active and retired, would cost more than simply paying the pensions and benefits.
True. A company tends to have more focus on financial capital than a public service.
The USPS is not a company. It's a Federal agency. And you're still forgetting something needed to end government funding of a post office. |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 07 June 2011 at 8:25pm
Government? It's not to far off. They are having a little bit of trouble paying off their debt. I cannot wait for the chaos when they start cutting food stamps. Oh the mess they will have on their hands. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 5:45pm
It is a type of government action, yes. |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 6:04pm
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I think we have a FE, Jr. in the making... ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 6:16pm
But I'm not a conservative, or even republican for that matter. |
Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 11:58pm
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Im not a fan of big government, but cutting the pensions is a little rough. Those guys spent their career with that "company" and cutting their retirement would just be wrong IMHO. Overhauling the current system and enforcing the changes on people hired after the change is made would be fine. ------------- Face it guys, common sense is a form of wealth and we're surrounded by poverty.-Strato |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 09 June 2011 at 2:22am
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 09 June 2011 at 3:06am
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:13am
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And how is the USPS a public service? By taking tax payer money, and pumping it into a broken system. That allows junk mailers and collectors a cheaper service? Times are changing, almost everyone under 40, gets their bills online, pays bills online, and get their bank statement online. The only thing I receive that I want from snail mail, is catalogs and my beloved Netflix. Everything else goes straight to the garbage. Rednekk: I don't even feel like going down that road. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 10:25am
Such a bad decision. ------------- |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 11:05am
Yeah, bet you don't have any citation for that. But that's ok, nobody needs to cite a credible source when it is so obvious they are talking out their rear. Also, everyone in the country must be like you and only uses it for netflix. Obviously the only things USPS ships are movies and junk mail. Please tell me you are trolling. -------------
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 11:17am
------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 11:37am
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Ahh, USPS and netflix...
Corruption at its finest.
Netflix uses a incorrect (illegal) envelope which has to be HAND cancelled to keep from breaking the dvd inside.
EVERYONE else who uses an envelope like that in bulk would be charged an additional $1.00+ to mail it.
But, because we are now a country of "special" rights for "special" people, netflix is allowed to use an illegal mailer, AND only pay the lowest rate available for automated mailing. (and then they get hand cancelling FOR FREE!
That is one of the biggest reasons they (USPS) are losing so much money.
I happen to deal with USPS often in my job, and if you go into any post office in the country right now, the largest volume of mail is netflix...
Which is being hand cancelled for free at the expense of the tax payers.
A friend of mine owns the patented mailer that is approved through the post office for two way dvd/cd mailing. Netflix decided it was cheaper to "pay off" the right public official instead of using his patent and paying the .01 per piece charge...
Typical corruption...
Blockbuster couldn't get the same deal netflix was getting so they sued and won.
Now gamefly did the same...
http://www.dailytech.com/PRC+Ruling+Says+USPS+Discriminated+Against+GameFly+Favored+Netflix+Disc+Mailers/article21439.htm - http://www.dailytech.com/PRC+Ruling+Says+USPS+Discriminated+Against+GameFly+Favored+Netflix+Disc+Mailers/article21439.htm
All of which results in the tax payers PAYING the extra postage as the post office has that cost with each mailer they touch...
http://www.postalreporternews.net/category/netflix/ - http://www.postalreporternews.net/category/netflix/
http://www.postalnewsblog.com/2009/04/24/gamefly-wed-like-the-same-deal-netflix-has/ - http://www.postalnewsblog.com/2009/04/24/gamefly-wed-like-the-same-deal-netflix-has/
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 12:32pm
Citation needed. Surely you couldn't tell that just by going to the local post office. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 12:54pm
If you would read the citations I already GAVE you would see, the comments for "postal news" which is in fact postal workers btw...
Stating 4 hours per day of their work is netflix/blockbuster pieces!
I don't think many postal workers put in more than 8 hours a day... So HALF is netflix/blockbuster, because of the illegal carrier, and "special FREE" hand processing!
That is BY FAR the largest part of their business today. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 12:59pm
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Seriously, do they let you in through the back door? ------------- 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:02pm
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And automated sorters operate on the same schedule and speed as postal workers manually handling mail? I don't think so, FE. Oh I almost forgot, if I asked for a citation on your claim, it means I checked what you already provided and was not satisfied by a reader comment on an article, which does not even address mail volume in any quantitative measurement. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:11pm
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This isn't a new problem. It has been going on since netflix started.
http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2007/11/usps-says-dvd-b.html - http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2007/11/usps-says-dvd-b.html
And while everyone in the business knows that netflix is getting "special" treatment and the taxpayers are paying the difference, still nothing changes...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/us-postal-service-to-netflix-youre-killing-us-on-labor/7251 - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/us-postal-service-to-netflix-youre-killing-us-on-labor/7251
(that article lays it all out and is from 2007!) Today netflix has around 23 million subscribers. When the article was written they had 6.7 million subscribers... You do the math, THAT is why the USPS is losing so much money a month. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:14pm
Of course... How do you think bulk mail gets into the mail stream? Do you think we put 25,000 brochures in our mailbox? lol.
I design and print mail pieces every day. I have to understand how the MERLIN system works (one of the largest bulk mail USPS facilities is right down the street from my office).
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:24pm
| In this thread, FE argues in favor of increased governmental restrictions and business regulations. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:29pm
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Here are more facts that back up what I said.
This is from an audit by the USPS in 2007 on the effect of Netflix on their costs.
http://www.uspsoig.gov/FOIA_files/MS-AR-08-001.pdf - http://www.uspsoig.gov/FOIA_files/MS-AR-08-001.pdf
"The Postal Service generally processes PRM mailpieces in accordance with their approved classification and pricing, as outlined in the Domestic Mail Manual (DMM).However, employees manually process approximately 70 percent of the approved First- Class two-way DVD return mailpieces from one DVD rental company because these mailpieces sustain damage, jam equipment and cause missorts during automated processing. Nonmachinable mailpieces are subject to a surcharge. However, the DMM does not currently address the characteristics of the mailer’s two-way DVD return mailpiece that make it nonmachinable. Because these mailpieces are not machinable, the Postal Service pays significant additional labor costs to manually process them. We estimate the additional labor costs to process these mailpieces were $41.9 million during the past 2 years, and will be $61.5 million over the next 2 years. We will report this monetary impact of $103.4 million in our Semiannual Report to Congress as $41.9 million in unrecoverable costsand $61.5 million in funds put to better use." Again, that was based on 6.7 million subscribers... Today they have 23 million... They are still doing it by hand, and still charging automated rates... Which the taxpayers pay the difference.
A perfect example of how government and regulations fail in the real world. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:36pm
Actually, as usual I am against "special" rights...
I can't walk into the post office and mail a dvd mailer like the netflix one for the price they pay... So why can they?
Oh that's right... Democrats. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/examiner-opinion-zone/netflix-ceo-americans-are-self-absorbed - http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/examiner-opinion-zone/netflix-ceo-americans-are-self-absorbed
"(Of the $255,450 of http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opensecrets.org%2Findivs%2Fsearch.php%3Fname%3Dhastings%252C%2Breed%26state%3DCA%26zip%3D%26employ%3D%26cand%3D%26all%3DY%26sort%3DN%26capcode%3Dr6q35%26submit%3DSubmit&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGxAA3ZwrDdciqma2xnaT3FFQyxXg - Hasting’s political donations , $224,700 has gone to Democrats.) " ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:41pm
So does this apparent demonstration of failure mean we should get rid of the regulation? Or does it mean we should enforce the regulation in a more-strict way?
Damn that Democratic president we had in 2007. |
Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 1:51pm
I always thought that things got cheaper in bulk. Apparently that isn't a business principle you practice. Do you charge the same price for retail as you do wholesale? -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:07pm
Automation can reduce cost to a degree, but at a point it levels out... And the price per piece doesn't go down anymore. Seriously you didn't know this?!?
What do they teach in schools anymore?
By that kind of logic, the $100,000,000 that the post office was LOSING by hand processing netfix mailers in 2007 would be LOWER now that they have grown from 6.7 million subscribers to 23 million subscribers, and are STILL hand cancelling them...
Oh wait... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:09pm
http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/netflix-stock-jumps-news-streaming-plan-price-hike-22689 - http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/netflix-stock-jumps-news-streaming-plan-price-hike-22689
33 1/3% of 23 million is only 7.65 million. So the postal traffic may have gone up some, but not at the levels you are claiming. As for it being the majority of their service, I am in the local PO fairly often and I don't see 1/2 of the processed mail being Netflix. Not saying it's significant, but it is not the Post Offices main issue. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:23pm
Fail.
I stream content from netflix... But, only when waiting for my next dvd to arrive... I didn't "stop" using dvd's when I started streaming and I know I am not alone. Just because people stream doesn't mean they stopped getting them in the mail, that is just a silly assumption.
I love how even when shown the facts about the costs of netflix, you guys still pretend like it isn't one of the major issues to their losses.
One of the other large issues is the fact that for every .01 increase in postage it decreases bulk/direct mail by 33%.
That is massive to printers and mailers... But, as usual, the people that run government don't take into consideration the costs and the impacts. By raising the postage rates so often in the past 20 years each increase has lessened the amount of mail that the post office touches...
And here we are at the results, less mail, higher costs, and runaway "special" benefits for the government chosen "winners". (netflix) on the backs of the taxpayer.
You do realize that if you own a business and mail out 15,000 pieces to potential customers around your location the printing costs would be around $1,500-$2,500 (depending on size/colors/paper) but the postage for those 15,000 pieces would be $3,450! (if you get an automated rate, regular first class would be $6,600!)
That is ridiculously high for postage. But, what do I know, AMIRITE! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:30pm
I'd speculate that the recession and e-mail has collectively done far more damage to the USPS than NetFlix. However, I do agree that the USPS should be far more strictly enforcing their regulations. A regulation, after all, only works when it is properly enforced. Do you agree? Like when I asked:
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:34pm
Clearly you're misunderstanding. He goes there all the time so he knows everything about their inner workings. Plus, some supposed postal employee commented on an article that he/she spends half the shift hand sorting netflix. Obviously what that supposed employee does at one post office is exactly what happens at every location in the country. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:40pm
Well, if you got rid of the political party that "rewards their friends and punishes their enemies"... Then maybe regulations would be fair.
Clearly that won't happen as the people that vote for that party are more like a mob... Never thinking but only repeating the lies they are told, and voting for these same liars over and over, even while the country crumbles.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:49pm
This issue with NetFlix began in 2007. Who was the president then?
Lovely hyperbole, the whole post, but it didn't answer the question. I'll repeat it for you:
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 2:54pm
Don't you usually cry when made fun of? Yet, when someone asks a practical, economical question you talk down to him. Taking a stab at schools again? At least schools attempt to teach how to be a productive and open minded member of society. Maybe you should sit in on my class once in a while.
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 10 June 2011 at 5:07pm
If they had better selections on the stream, I wouldn't even opt for DVDs. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 3:36pm
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I ordered a couple of things for my hot tub last week. The filters I ordered on Wednesday and they shipped to me on Thursday UPS from California to Ohio. On Thursday I ordered the Ozone rebuild kit and they shipped it on Friday USPS.
I received the ozone kit on MONDAY... All the way from California in one business day. (shipped flat in an bubble envelope (aka the fastest way to ship USPS).
Still haven't seen the UPS order yet.
Impressive speed by our grubment mail. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 3:38pm
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Nice question dodge, FE. ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 3:55pm
I've answered this many times in the past. When government picks winners (and consequently chooses losers as well by NOT carving out "special" deals for them too) everyone loses. Free Markets can not exist when there is a bias and "special" rights for one entity giving them an unfair advantage.
Look at our political process and the "unbiased" media. We have more media (and the public as well) looking into Sarah Palin's emails than we ever did about Obama when he ran. Have you ever seen any reports on his grades, papers written, anything he published while young, any of his childhood friends... Nope, nothing. Yet we have a former governor that the media is going crazy over, as they are so intent on "finding" anything to try and destroy her... Again "special" rights for the "right" people...
The fact that Netflix paid into the Democratic party and then got special pricing for their DVD mailing business to the degree that they put blockbuster on the ropes (closed almost every store in my area) is further proof that "winners" and losers are chosen by the almighty "we know better than you" liberals
in charge.
This has to stop. If you are going to make a mandate like Obamacare and then trot out and let 1,500 to date have waivers (that mysteriously go to unions and tons of companies in Nancy Pelosi's district) so they don't have to play by the regulations then all you are doing is picking winners and losers.
Everyone loses in that case. Freedom isn't about wealth redistribution but the ability that ALL have the same rights and freedoms. So your works ethics/quality sets you apart, not the color of your skin, or if you are "woman" owned... Not who you donated to get elected, as a bribe for down the road "investments" in your company from the Haves in government.
Not just netflix, or now blockbuster who had to sue to get the same deal... spending millions on attorneys and losing most of their brick and mortar business while the lawsuit dragged on in court.
Regulations are a joke in this country. I deal with them everyday, and when you need to get around them, there is always someone in government who will tell you the "way to do it, wink... nod" typical corruption if you "pay" the right person.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 4:08pm
Except that wasn't an answer. You seem to be implying that you're for increased enforcement of governmental regulations, though. I guess this is a step in the right direction. But then you imply there at the end that regulations are the problem, and that you've been solicited for bribes. Here, I'll ask again:
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 4:23pm
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First off, it is too complex to answer in general. Personally, I think at least half of the regulations on the books should go away... We drill in super deep water, because of regulations on shallow (safe) drilling. That is just stupid. But, it is a "regulation" made to appease a certain group. Many regulations are this way, and this burden of regulation on top of regulation has crippled our country. If you want to start a business selling rabbits, we all saw how stupid the "regulations" were in that case... So many of those should go bye, bye.
The ones that remain, should be equal, meaning everyone has the same regulation, no special deals for special people. Now the only way that would happen is if you got rid of liberals as they always seem to get a different set of rules for them vs everyone else.
Weiner is a perfect example of this, guy lies, sends porn over state lines to young women (possibly even minors) and has no registration for his car...
You or me do that, we would be in jail.
That is wrong. And yet there are plenty of regulations... Except they are only for the "other" guy according to liberal weiner.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 4:28pm
I'm asking about the case brought up by you in this thread. About NetFlix and the issue with their mail-back envelopes. Not about the concept of regulation in general. I apologize if my question appeared too complex. Allow me to rephrase: Should the government be more-strictly regulating their policy on physical mail sorting fees, or should the regulation requiring such a sorting fee be erased? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 14 June 2011 at 4:36pm
Not only is it "stupid," it's remarkably incorrect, and close to being an outright lie. Deep-sea drilling is used by petroleum companies http://www.gomr.boemre.gov/homepg/offshore/deepwtr.html - because it's more profitable , and there http://www.boemre.gov/Assets/PressConference11152004/MSGlossySingle_110404.pdf - is simply more oil there to be had. Not only that, but the second insinuation is also incorrect. http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/19/us-oil-spill-permit-idUSTRE66I5DG20100719 - The U.S. issues shallow-drilling permits. Those added regulations on shallow drilling are 1) Increased inspection of blow-out valves, and 2) A workable estimate of potential spillage as part of an emergency plan. Perhaps I'm biased as a Floridian, but I don't find those regulations unreasonable.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 8:14am
If the "regulation" can be avoided because of your political donations, then it is in fact not a "regulation" anymore but a corrupt bribery system in place to "punish" your enemies and reward your friends. (where have I heard that before?)
Try this out. Fold up a piece of paper (60# offset) glue it with double sided tape, and put a cd in it and mail it to me. I guarantee (as I have done this many times over the years) that it may arrive but WITH extra postage charged, and the receiver will have to pay that postage before they get the piece. Not to mention your mailing price will be MUCH higher than netflix or blockbuster pay now.
And yet... Netflix doesn't get that extra charge, when they know for a fact that it will not mail automated. (oh, and there is a 65% chance your cd will be broken as well, as their system breaks cds at that rate currently if they aren't hand cancelled.... And when was the last time you got a broken DVD from netflix?... Exactly my point, they hand cancel every one and don't charge them for it).
So it isn't the "regulation" I have a problem with in this case, It is the fact that liberals always get different rules than the "rest" of us, as they are special.
I have a problem with "special rights" as equal rights used to mean something in America...
Oh, and there is a mailer that goes both ways with almost zero breakage through automated mailing. But, again, my friend owns the patent and Netflix didn't want to pay him to use his mail carrier, but they didn't want to pay the extra postage (because it is over 1 ounce) and because it was easier to just get their liberal democrat friends to "look the other way"... and give them "special rights" not equal rights.
Because... ______________ (you fill in the blank.)
If the post office is going to be profitable, it HAS TO be run as a business. So costs matter, they know (as I have shown) that hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent right now to manually process "automated" netflix mailers. (so the taxpayers are paying the extra costs while the "profit" goes right to netflix's bottom line, stifling anyone else from getting into that market, as they can't get the same "deal" so they can't compete).
Businesses can't print money so they can't operate this way. The rules have to apply to everyone or no one. picking winners and losers is morally wrong, as well as corrupt, but I guess in America today that doesn't matter anymore. It all depends on who you donate money to and which wheels you grease to get the best deal you can. The regulations only apply to the suckers that don't know how to game the system.
The post office could easily fix it (making the DVD mailer weight acceptable up to 1.5 ounces, then they could use a different design and still get the same postage rate.) But, this is government we are talking about. And government while knowing for YEARS that this is a huge problem, just kicks the can down the road and continues to bleed money. Spending millions in audits and reports to see that this is a problem and then doing nothing about it... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 8:23am
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Oh, and if you don't believe me... Here is a article published in 2008 which talks about this issue in detail.
http://www.ekeymailer.com/news/34/Why_Does_Postal_Management_Allowandnbsp%3B_Non-Compatible_Disk_Mailers_Claim_Automated_Rates%3F_%5BMail%3A%5D/ - http://www.ekeymailer.com/news/34/Why_Does_Postal_Management_Allowandnbsp%3B_Non-Compatible_Disk_Mailers_Claim_Automated_Rates%3F_%5BMail%3A%5D/ ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 9:10am
. . . So that means you would want the government to start more-strictly enforcing the physical sorting regulations, or do you want them to drop the regulation altogether? I honestly don't understand why this is so complicated of a thing to answer.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 9:19am
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Because, as we talked about last night in chat, he is incapable of typing "I support stronger government regulation." Even though we're talking about regulation of a government agency... -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 9:27am
It isn't complicated, I've already answered.
If your mailer isn't red and says netflix on it, the government is already strict on their enforcement. (blockbuster had to sue to get the same "gift").
The regulation is already strict.
It is already corrupt as netflix/blockbuster get special "rights" not available to anyone else without millions for lawsuits and years to wait.
Why would they drop the regulation altogether? They have it in place to make sure that the postage represents the costs involved. It isn't a regulation without merit. Hand processing is expensive. (if you have to pay for it)
Keep the regulation and instead of letting ONE company (who happens to donate to democrats) have special rules. Make them abide by the same rules that are already strictly inforced on everyone else.
You pretend like they aren't completely strict now with their regulation, and that is why I keep saying to mail one yourself. THEY WILL CATCH it, as that is what they do. If I do a bulk mailing of 200,000 pieces and ONE PIECE in that mailing is .01 more in weight they will charge me the additional postage on EVERY SINGLE piece of the 200,000 pieces. Because of that one piece. (they weigh each and every piece on the MERLIN system, and the barcode builds a report and if you go over... bingo, you have to pay the higher postage rate on all the pieces period, no way to get out of it) Tens of thousands of dollars in additional postage...
This is a fact.
But, netflix doesn't...
And now after years of this obvious corruption other companies have sued and spent millions to get the same "deal".
They are already super strict with bulk mailing. The regulations are fine, IF everyone had to abide by them equally.
This has been going on since 2001.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/20/technology/business2_netflixgallery/index.htm - http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/20/technology/business2_netflixgallery/index.htm ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 9:44am
So then this piece of governmental regulation, the sorting requirements, isn't being regulated strictly enough with companies like NetFlix, and therefore the answer is to increase the enforcement of this regulation? So you're not advocating getting rid of the restriction? Well it only took four pages of question dodging, but it ended up back at my original point:
Regulation and restriction are not automatic evils. And when a restriction or regulation fails, that doesn't automatically mean that the problem was within the mechanics of the regulation. Perhaps, just maybe, the problem was with the enforcement - or lack of - with the regulation itself. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 10:40am
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 10:51am
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 11:07am
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unions (special rights advocates)
gays (special rights advocates)
Banks (special bailouts)
Abortion (special rights for mother, no rights for unborn)
GE (special taxation, zero taxes paid in 2010)
CREE (special "stimulus funds" and tax incentives so they could create jobs in CHINA)
Netflix (special postal rights, resulting in domination and profit for netflix on the back of the taxpayer)
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 11:39am
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Democrats just create messes, which at some point others have to come along and fix their messes... Think of spending as a digging a hole in the ground, at some point they need to stop digging, as the hole is super deep, and the country can't afford the spending.
Or you could just keep electing them, and watch as the "special" rights increase and they reward their friends while punishing their enemies!
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 11:47am
The issue concerning NetFlix and the charges - or unfortunate lack thereof - for physical sorting began in 2007, as you stated, and as the news reports on the matter indicate. Now, who was president in 2007? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 11:57am
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Seriously, you want to go down the rabbit hole of Republican President? Who controlled congress, because according to law, (yeah, I know, the democrats haven't passed a budget in 760+ days... so clearly they care not about the law or budgets) congress controls the budget strings in our country, not the President.
Is he responsible for their fraud, yes, but without a media covering up for one side, you get big holes in the ground that do nothing but create problems.
They had investigations, they knew the costs, but the democrats that controlled the budget kept that "special" thing going for netflix... Still to this day.
Lovely how you never admit corruption when it is so obvious.
because... __________
Oh, and again, look at what I posted, this has been going on since 2001. In 2007, the report covering the past two years (2005 in other words) concluded that the costs were massive to USPS. And they didn't begin in 2005 either, this has been going on since 2001 when they started breaking the regulation and the post office allowed them to do so. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 12:04pm
The USPS is, according to the U.S. Code, Title 39, Chapter 2, Section 201, an "independent establishment of the executive branch."
And, may I ask again, who was the president from 2001 until 2007? And who was the president in 2007? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 12:36pm
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Well, let look at that...
Lets see, Potter, was the Postmaster general... And who put him in place?
Oh, that's right Clinton!
And he just retired under Obama with a golden parachute. (reward our friends and all that).
Speaking of rewarding our friends.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PLsBZy6u - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PLsBZy6u
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 12:43pm
And what political party was, and is, Jack Potter a member of? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 1:23pm
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I don't know, never been in the voting booth with him while he voted!...
But, he is gone, they had 60 days to fix the problem... Obama is in charge, and will they do anything?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/26/postal-service-favored-netflix-regulators-rule/?page=1 - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/26/postal-service-favored-netflix-regulators-rule/?page=1
"The http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-securities-and-exchange-commission/ - commission gave the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/us-postal-service/ - Postal Service 60 days to fix the “unreasonable preference.”"
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 1:31pm
He is, at least in information available on the Internet, a Republican. He served out the vast majority of his term under the authority of Bush. As a matter of fact, Jack Potter officially took office as postmaster general in June, 2001 - after Bush was inaugurated. I'm confused as to how a Republican postmaster general, under the authority of a Republican president, somehow would have been influenced by the owner of NetFlix donating to Democrats. Especially seeing as the problem began to become a serious issue in 2007, firmly still under the authority of both the Republican postmaster general and Republican president. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 1:36pm
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I put less trust in wiki then you I guess...
I can see why you would be confused, but believe it or not. Democrats are always trying to get special rights, regardless of who is in office. As you age, you will see the truth in that statement.
And when those "rights" go away, they throw fits. (see wisconsin protests).
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 1:40pm
Again I'll ask: Why would the owner of Netflix donating to Democrats have an influence on the USPS's practices as an independent agency of the executive branch under 1) A Republican president, and 2) A Republican postmaster general? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 1:53pm
I'm also rather confused as to the insinuation that political donations are somehow a vulgar attempt at obtaining special rights. Are you against the concept of political donations? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 2:05pm
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Do you think this is OK? You didn't comment on it the first time I posted the link... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PLsBZy6u - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz1PLsBZy6u ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 2:06pm
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I want to know what special rights that gay people have been arguing for?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 2:14pm
You'll have to define "OK." I don't agree with the decisions, no. And it is particularly irksome, seeing as Obama positioned himself as someone who would avoid such actions. It is something that falls in the "con" category for Obama, personally. Now, is it illegal? No. As just about every president has done this. But back to the topic at hand, seeing as this thread is about the USPS, and you seem reluctant to actually answer my questions on the things about the USPS you've brought up in this thread:
And, as it relates to the proposed idea that the Netflix situation was caused by the owner's donations to Democrats:
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 2:24pm
Hey look, FE posted a pictorial representation of the position he has worked to achieve in this specific discussion!
Summation of thread so far: Whale: Logic, evidence and a tenacious ability to stay on topic no matter what. FE: "La, la, la . . . I can't heeeaaar you!" Essentially using every tactic possible (changing topic, ignoring questions, changing positions, etc.) to avoid having to admit/acknowledge how badly wrong he is being proven to be. As Forum President I must offer my opinion that this is the most thorough (and amusing FE spanking*) I have seen on here in a long time. *Someone really needs to make a pic showing a whale putting the smack-down on a Grim Reaper. ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 2:36pm
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I should be clear about my position on the NetFlix thing. I'm of the opinion that NetFlix should have never been allowed to get away with not paying the manual-sorting fees for this long. I think the USPS needs to begin issuing an added fee to Netflix, and any other mass-distribution company that has been getting around the unenforced fee. Not only that, but I probably wouldn't be sad if NetFlix was forced to work on a repayment plan with the USPS. On the other side of that fence, the USPS should have seen that mail-service movies are not a flash in the pan, and either invested in better sorting equipment or worked out a new policy contract with NetFlix, Blockbuster, and anyone else who mass-distributes discs. That said, I'm just not convinced that this situation was the result of a liberal conspiracy. Nor do I think it was the result of NetFlix's owner donating to Democrats. I think this has to do with the USPS digging itself into a hole by not charging NetFlix the physical sorting fee from the get-go. When NetFlix was a small start-up company back in the early 2000s this didn't seem like a big deal, but it set the precedent of not enforcing the regulation early. As NetFlix traffic grew, it became harder to bring down the hammer, as they'd not actually done it before. Simply put, it looks like lack of foresight and incompetence caused the mess. And as I've said before - and I'm pretty sure I borrowed this from somewhere, I just don't remember where - there is no use of assigning political bias where incompitence is a reasonable explanation. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 4:10pm
I'm fairly certain I've said that a few times. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 June 2011 at 4:40pm
From now on out I will refer to this phenomenon as the Mack Principle of Perceptive Cause, or MPPC.
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