I'll just leave this here
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Topic: I'll just leave this here
Posted By: DaveEllis
Subject: I'll just leave this here
Date Posted: 02 July 2011 at 10:30pm
Town of Onondaga, NY A Parish man who was participating in a motorcycle helmet protest ride was killed this afternoon when he went over the handlebars of his motorcycle and injured his head on the pavement, state police said.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/parish_man_protesting_motorcyc.html - http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/parish_man_protesting_motorcyc.html
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 02 July 2011 at 10:33pm
Hmmm, I dont like the thought of being cleaned up with a squeegie. I'll leave it at that.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 July 2011 at 11:49pm
As an everyday rider (bikes are my daily-drivers), I agree with the late Mr. Contos. Ironic? Most definitely. However, helmets should NOT be a mandatory law. It's personal protection that has no bearing on the safety of others, and the government has no place to make helmets legally required.
Should you wear them? Yes. Should you have to? No.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 12:02am
What about the mental anguish of the paramedic who has to scrape your brains back into your dome?
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 12:09am
Skillet42565 wrote:
What about the mental anguish of the paramedic who has to scrape your brains back into your dome into a bucket/storm drain? |
Fixed that for ya.
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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 1:19am
It is a personal choice, but after seeing a couple low speed wrecks that were survival turn into fatalities I wouldn't want to drive without one on. Granted, I'm not getting on one in the first place. I like having the sheet metal (and lots of plastic) around me.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 3:16am
After dumping my bike 3 years ago all desire to go sans helmet vanished. This was hit with an exclamation mark last week when I was t-boned by a deer on my way to work on my bike.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 10:20am
Iron knee.
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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 10:23am
DeTrevni wrote:
As an everyday rider (bikes are my daily-drivers), I agree with the late Mr. Contos. Ironic? Most definitely. However, helmets should NOT be a mandatory law. It's personal protection that has no bearing on the safety of others, and the government has no place to make helmets legally required.
Should you wear them? Yes. Should you have to? No.
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The general populous is too stupid to do the right thing, hence nanny laws like seat belts.
How about the increased insurance premiums these guys are costing all of us?
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 10:28am
DaveEllis wrote:
DeTrevni wrote:
As an everyday rider (bikes are my daily-drivers), I agree with the late Mr. Contos. Ironic? Most definitely. However, helmets should NOT be a mandatory law. It's personal protection that has no bearing on the safety of others, and the government has no place to make helmets legally required.
Should you wear them? Yes. Should you have to? No.
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The general populous is too stupid to do the right thing, hence nanny laws like seat belts.
How about the increased insurance premiums these guys are costing all of us? |
Anyone that rides without a helmet in a no helmet state should have to sign a waiver stating the insurance company need not pay if it is firmly believed that the death of the insured was killed/maimed/etc. because he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time of the accident.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 10:47am
StormyKnight wrote:
Anyone that rides without a helmet in a no helmet state should have to sign a waiver stating the insurance company need not pay if it is firmly believed that the death of the insured was killed/maimed/etc. because he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time of the accident. |
Doesn't matter, family will still sue the insurance company. Company will have to pay lawyers to protect their interest. Rates go up.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 11:15am
I am happy I live in a helmet state. 'Cause I want to wear a helmet anyway, and I might get picked on in a no-helmet state
Seriously... in addition to the cool factor of keeping my brain in my skull, Nazi helmets are cool
Although a lot of people ride with 'novelty' helmets that are not DOT approved anyway..
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 11:17am
tallen702 wrote:
StormyKnight wrote:
Anyone that rides without a helmet in a no helmet state should have to sign a waiver stating the insurance company need not pay if it is firmly believed that the death of the insured was killed/maimed/etc. because he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time of the accident. |
Doesn't matter, family will still sue the insurance company. Company will have to pay lawyers to protect their interest. Rates go up. | That part is annoying about motorcycles, but the most annoying part is that they only transport one or two people and they are louder than a car that transports five. It makes no sense.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 8:22pm
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 8:24pm
mbro wrote:
That part is annoying about motorcycles, but the most annoying part is that they only transport one or two people and they are louder than a car that transports five. It makes no sense. |
So do lawn tractors. What's your point?
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 12:35am
mbro wrote:
but the most annoying part is that they only transport one or two people and they are louder than a car that transports five. It makes no sense. |
But if you only need to transport 1 or 2 people, why use as much gas as you would be with 5?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 10:55am
Waivers do nothing. Seriously. If you think signing a waver protects people from indemnity, then you're in for a shock. Waivers don't stand up in court, especially when a jury gets involved.
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 1:30pm
lol
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 1:42pm
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It has always been a funny social experiment to me to watch people's attitudes change when they are told to do something vs. when they have the free will to do it on their own.
-Wanna wear this helmet? --Yeah sure! Thanks!
-Wear this helmet! ---Screw you, I'm an 'Merican and I'll do what I want! No helmet for me simply because you said so.
I'm pretty sure that is what we call the "terrible two's" when raising children, and it is sad when adults do the same thing. I wont even drive my car until everyone in it is buckled up and if there is a problem with that, they are more than welcome to get out and walk.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 2:45pm
That's entirely how my brain worked in highschool in regards to schoolwork. "Ah man going to get this stuff done as soon as I get home, out of the way and I'm free." "hey, go do your homework" "Well...now...no"
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 2:54pm
choopie911 wrote:
That's entirely how my brain worked in highschool in regards to schoolwork. "Ah man going to get this stuff done as soon as I get home, out of the way and I'm free." "hey, go do your homework" "Well...now...no"
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Same here. I would actually stop doing something if I was already doing it when I got told to do it.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 05 July 2011 at 7:33am
tallen702 wrote:
Waivers do nothing. Seriously. If you think signing a waver protects people from indemnity, then you're in for a shock. Waivers don't stand up in court, especially when a jury gets involved. |
Alright. Screw the waiver then. Change the law in states where helmet use is optional that insurance companies are not liable to pay if the rider or passenger die as a result of injuries sustained by not wearing a helmet.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 July 2011 at 12:09pm
StormyKnight wrote:
tallen702 wrote:
Waivers do nothing. Seriously. If you think signing a waver protects people from indemnity, then you're in for a shock. Waivers don't stand up in court, especially when a jury gets involved. |
Alright. Screw the waiver then. Change the law in states where helmet use is optional that insurance companies are not liable to pay if the rider or passenger die as a result of injuries sustained by not wearing a helmet. |
Still wouldn't matter. They'd still get sued. Even if the law states they aren't "liable" that will be challenged in court. And even if they win, they're still paying court costs and attorney's fees.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 05 July 2011 at 5:20pm
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If the law protects the insurance company from lawsuit, any challenge to the law itself won't cost the insurance company anything.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 July 2011 at 5:33pm
StormyKnight wrote:
If the law protects the insurance company from lawsuit, any challenge to the law itself won't cost the insurance company anything. |
Wrong. Any law can be challenged in court, court costs in cases such as the ones that would come of your suggestion cost money for both sides of the case. Very rarely is full remuneration given to the defendant, let alone in a case that would challenge a law such as you've proposed (which, by the way would never, ever pass and is probably against all kinds of ethics codes within the insurance regulatory committee's rules).
Those costs are passed on to you, dear consumer, and the insurance company has no qualms about it.
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