This bugs me
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Topic: This bugs me
Posted By: Mack
Subject: This bugs me
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 4:14pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/obama-asks-stay-execution-texas-165829939.html - Link There's more the article but this provides the basic idea.
Perhaps I'm reading to much into this but I can't help but get the feeling that FE isn't the only one who doesn't fully grasp the concept of the separation of legislative, executive, and judicial functions. ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 4:21pm
The precedent has existed, I do believe, for a while now that the "executive" has the ability to place a stay on an execution. Thus state governors being well within their powers to grant a stay of execution. You know, the red phone and all that. Disagreeing with the decision to grant the stay is one thing, but the stay itself is part of the established checks and balance system.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 4:41pm
I don't see it being stayed, as the US Supreme Court has already ruled on the matter;
I don't see the USSC doing a proactive stay for a law that may or may not get passed. ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 5:19pm
| The government should not have the power to decide if one lives or not. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 5:26pm
Which side of the fence are you sitting on for this issue? Just curious, because your statement works on both. |
Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 5:29pm
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It's one thing to be visiting another country and need a consulate after being arrested, but this guy lived in Texas since age 2. I'm speculating here, but I don't believe he intended on going back to Mexico and this is just an attempt to find a loophole. ------------- Face it guys, common sense is a form of wealth and we're surrounded by poverty.-Strato |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 5:58pm
Capital punishment needs to be abolished on a Federal level. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 6:23pm
Out of sheer curiosity, does this extend to wartime matters and abortion? ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 6:38pm
Why not also on the state level?
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 6:46pm
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Gatyr: Applies to wartime. Abortion is the mothers choice, not a governing body. Whale: To clarify, Federal and down the chain. So same with state |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 6:52pm
You're advocating disbanding the military? -------------
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Posted By: Donald Blake
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 7:48pm
Didn't read the article, but I am guessing Mack's beef isn't with an executive stay, but what appears to be the President attempting to influence the Supreme Court's ruling on a judicial decision. If that is the case, then I think I agree with Mack - it does appear inappropriate at first blush. Of course, Presidents try to influence legislative decisions all the time, but somehow judicial decisions feel different. ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 7:55pm
I was thinking more along the lines of military executions of war criminals. But anyway "conflicts" being fought right now, should be construed as murder anyway, especially Libya! |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 July 2011 at 8:00pm
It's all in the robes.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 12:55pm
Nail on the head. That is exactly what bugs me about this. Especially when you get into the part about wanting the stay until the law can be changed.* *Which wouldn't be retroactive anyway would it? -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 3:22pm
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Presidents manipulate the court all the time.
look at his latest "judge" you know, the one who said she had nothing at all to do with obamacare...
yeah, right.
Course she will end up being a vote for him...
"the ends justify the means" is one of the foundations of the liberal rule book. ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: Donald Blake
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 4:37pm
"Judge" indeed - she is no judge. She is an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, which is entirely different. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 4:44pm
I'm a big fan of the modern use of full quotation marks as an attempt at linguistic sneering. I'm seeing it more and more on the Internet in places where politics are oft debated, like here and FARK. Anything you don't like, just toss it in quotes as an attempt to present it as lesser, or fake.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 6:40pm
Hmmmmm . . . . . . how about that "FE" guy? -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 6:43pm
He sure "posts" on this forum. Oh, and upon your point being clarified, then I see where you're coming from. Sorry for missing your point earlier.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 6:46pm
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Apology accepted . . . . . . but I'm pretty certain you misunderstood me on purpose because you are a liberal journalist and were trying to discredit me before the next forum elections.  In all seriousness, I didn't explain why it bothered me very well; probably because I really hadn't put my finger on exactly what it was yet that got to me about the President's actions. DB explained it quite well. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 6:54pm
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Of course I could have said "Sorry for missing your "point" earlier," and then I would have looked like a jerk. But yeah, with the clarification, I agree with you for the most part. I'll have to read more into it. I had no idea it was a thing, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 7:13pm
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You two lovebirds make me sick. Don't you know democrats and republicans are supposed to be at war with each other? Get this rational conversation out of my face. ------------- 
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 08 July 2011 at 12:31pm
Score one for the Supreme Court
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