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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Subject: Question...
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 1:20am
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I have been hanging out with a group of friends for almost a year now, and they are pretty good more the most part, but for the past two months they have been changing a bit. Started off mostly with drinking, which isnt too bad because they are responsible for the most part, but ever since about 3 weeks ago they started smoking pot and this really bothers me. Drugs are one thing i'm not okay with. Tonight was supposed to be a party but I didn't go because I had work then I found out that they were passing around a few joints and this really upsets me because it was a girl's house that I know isn't usually into that kind of stuff. It worries me because it feels like all of my friends are changing for the worst. Should I slowly shut myself off from them? Or just keep em close and ignore what they are doing and not take part in it? Almost all are under-aged by the way. |
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 1:27am
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Posted at 4:20 it says. Heh.
If you want to stay close with them then know that if they get caught doing these things and you're with them, it's not going to go well, with or without your actual participation. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 10:11am
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In b4: "Pot is the essence of evil and you're going to die from it" and "Dude, QQ its just weed." ------------- ? |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 10:19am
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Hahahahaah, Wow.
Good luck bud!
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 11:10am
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well, i lucked out and moved when all my friends were getting into that stuff...
not saying it always happens but most of the guys i grew up with now have DUIs, felony drug convictions, or both... not worth it IMO... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 11:34am
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Incidentally, one of the smartest guys I've come across in school is also the biggest pothead I know. It's not the drug, its the person. Stupid people will do stupid things. It's as simple as that. ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 12:31pm
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1. Do not ride in a car, with someone who has drugs on them. 2. Do not drive anyone who has drugs on them. Keep yourself out of trouble, and don't worry about them. I rather have a bunch of people stoned a party, than drinking. But just be aware, you can be guilty by association. Try to drive yourself to a party, so if you start to feel un-comfortable, you can leave. (If your sober of course) And remember booze lowers inhibition. You might be no weed for me today. And then find yourself hung over with bong water all over your shirt the next. GL:DD |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 1:38pm
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Welcome to college, get used to it or find yourself some straight edge friends.
Start worrying when they're doing hard drugs. ------------- 
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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 1:42pm
| Is it high school? If so its fairly normal and a good majority of people move on from that stage and outgrow it, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 1:58pm
Yeah, marijuana use is everywhere, if it bugs you half of the population will bug you. |
High Voltage wrote:Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 11:55pm
Nahh, we all just graduated. Going into college. |
Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 1:16am
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Keep your friends and look past the weed and booze. Its already been mentioned. Don't drive them around if they are holding and leave them if they start hitting harder drugs. ------------- Face it guys, common sense is a form of wealth and we're surrounded by poverty.-Strato |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 3:12am
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You aren't obligated to hang around something that bothers you.
That said, this isn't something any of us can help you with. Only you know if this is something that you can deal with. If it's a problem, cut them off. It's your decision entirely. Pot isn't a gateway drug or some omen of things to cone. It's just a habit some people pick up, like smoking or energy drinks. As has already been pointed out,, if you do continue to hang around your friends, make sure they know you're not comfortable smoking, and that you won't be travelling with it. One of the dumbest mistakes high schoolers make is carrying pot on them in a car-I can't tell you how many people I know that have been busted that way. ------------- 
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 8:10am
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Yeah you should chill. A bit of green is perfectly normal at that age. It's not serious and i doubt if you're unfortunate enough to be present if your pal gets nabbed with a bit of ganj that you'll be in any trouble. But i commend you on adamently staying sober i personally don't really like weed and i think it definitely has downsides to using it regularly.
That being said i need to say 'calm down nancy' most of the people you willl meet in college have an occasional toke. If you're at a party and declare that you are leaving because someone sparks up a dooby then you will be instantly brandex a douche mammys boy just be cool and smoke some. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 9:13am
Worst advice ever. Just be cool and go murder someone. Just be cool and go beat your wife. What is the difference? They are all illegal. Why try fight "the man" and possibly end up with a criminal record? Dope is for dopes. Honestly. There is debate as to if it is bad for you or not. I come down on the side of "breathing smoke into your lungs is stupid", so I'm hedging towardsit being bad for you. It is also addictive. Giving it up isn't as hard as say, crack, but it also isn't as easy as some people say. YMMV, like some people can quit smoking over night while others struggle for years. I just don't see the point of doing something blatantly stupid, just because "it's cool" and "everyone is doing it". Be your own man. If being branded "douche mammys boy" is a problem to you, then you probably are one. I've left plenty of parties when the dagga was rolling. Just tell people you've got something better to do. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 9:41am
P'Ta Mon...The Thug Lawyer! and make sure to remove the grill before you go into the court room. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 9:50am
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The difference, Kayback, is that murder and assault are morally wrong. Our society widely accepts that concept. They don't, however, widely accept that for cannabis use. IMO it is an issue of morality vs legality and I'm sorry, but the criminalization is not justified when you look at the effects. Also, vaporizing it has been proven to have no negative effects on your airways, fact. Smoking it does paralyze cilia, but that happens when you inhale any smoke and I don't see them banning cigarettes for that. I think scotchy made that remark tongue-in-cheek, but idk for certain. He would have to clarify. If Rofl is uncomfortable around it he should take my, and everyone else's, advice and not be around it. Almost forgot, that bit about addictive qualities, that really depends on the individual, not the marijuana. Meth, coke, heroin, nicotine, alcohol... those are more than just habit forming. You aren't going to see physical withdrawal symptoms when someone stops smoking pot. I would compare the psychological dependence to anything habit forming like video games, caffeine and sex. It's your opinion to find it stupid, but please, don't insult the rest of us who have done our research. -------------
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 10:30am
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the 'just be cool and smoke some' remark was most definitely made with no real belief that the answer is for him to in fact 'smoke some'.
The mammys boy remark was more inclined to show that people will almost always respect his choice not to smoke. Being a drama queen fleeing the scene is an extreme reaction and isn't necessary. He won't be punished for simply being there if he has nothing on him at any time then he will be fine. I do recognise that sometimes stoners are plain boring to hang around with. Many of my friends are regular smokers. I don.t touch maryjane anymore but i will be with them when they do and the decline in my enjoyment is a marked one.
really? You actually think that is a reasonable thing to say? |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:09am
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I'm not going to tell them why if I "flee the scene" I'm not dramatic like that at all. Its just weird seeing a good group of kids change overnight so to speak. I still love them like bros, but I just don't agree with what they're doing. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:12am
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No one will say anything if you don't smoke.
Oh and: "It's your life Live it however you wanna Marijuana is everywhere Where was you brought up?" ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:25am
Acceptable attitude to have. Realize you all make your own decisions. If I might pose a question for you to consider, did it really seem to happen so sudden or is this just the first you've heard about it? -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:28am
You make them good friends go bad.  |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 12:42pm
Good kids smoke pot too. It might not be your thing, but it doesn't make your friends bad people. ------------- 
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Posted By: kickinwing2010
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 1:30pm
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Same thing happened to me, so I started hanging out with different groups of people. Then the new group of people started and the old group quit. Like has been stated it's usually just a phase that everyone goes through, especially in high school / college. So like others have said you can leave them behind and move on or stick with them. But I will warn you, it will most likely happen again it's going to be very hard to find people in college that haven't smoke or are smokers currently. ------------- 
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:17pm
| Most my friends smoke cigs and weed. I don't, nobody questions it or says anything and I still love hanging out with them, albeit I drink and would like to tell you drinking is relatively easy to do safely and just chill with a brew in hand. Or you can even not drink and still have a good time with them its up to you. Everyone grows out of the omg 420 stage after a little while and become way more relax about it. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:26pm
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I like how you're okay with drinking, but pot just crosses the line. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:42pm
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Drinking is far worse for you in many ways, but the stigma is hard to break. And only losers smoke? Okay, how about these self-admitted smokers who are wildly successful?
Richard Branson 
Rick Steves 
Aaron Sorkin 
Ted Turner 
Montel Williams 
Stephen King 
Justin Timberlake 
Plus tons more, those are just the admitted ones. As has been said earlier in the thread: It is the person, not the drug. If someone is a burnout loser, they're a burnout loser. Smoking cannabis doesn't mean you'll do nothing and go nowhere at all. It's less damaging physically than alcohol is as well. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:45pm
Who said that in this thread?
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:50pm
Sorry, a bit of a step past what had been said so far, I recognize that. Just that he thinks that they're doing something bad but that drinking is fine, etc. More of a general point on my side I guess. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:57pm
If his concern is the legality of actions his friends are participating in, his observations are not incorrect.
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:59pm
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 3:04pm
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Brave found it.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 3:04pm
Carry on then.
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 3:06pm
and coffee's for mugs. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 3:11pm
| I honestly thought "dope" was heroin. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 4:02pm
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What are you looking at doing professionally in a few years time? Is it anything where the nature of your associates will be looked at and could impact what it is you want to do? (I'm thinking law enforcement, etc). ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 6:07pm
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Honestly, for the most part - I think you'll be okay. I never partook in the activities you listed until much later on than almost all of my friends. They never pressured me into anything I didn't want to do, just be clear with them that you do not want to partake. In hindsight, I had the same general view that you do rofl, and I'm glad I waited as long as I did. I was also pretty far off on most of the assumptions I had made about my friends activities. If you choose to never do it, that's fine. If you ever do try it, be careful and be safe, but it won't corrupt your soul...or anything else so long as you are mature/smart enough to handle it.
And it is. Sort of. Some people call heroin dope; some call cannibis dope. Which is why most people just call each of them something else now.
 ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 6:37pm
Yes . . . yes it does. Weed is only the first step. The next thing you know they'll be painting their faces white, giving up speaking and moving into invisible boxes. As a side note, choopie was doing pretty good with his list until that last guy. ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 10:46pm
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Hey give the guy some credit, he's done some pretty great things more recently. I hate boy bands as much as the next guy, but Timberlake and SNL is a good combo.
Also yeah, I think there is too much worry about what your friends do. I am yet to see someone be actually pressured about smoking cannabis. The usual interaction is: 1) Hey do you smoke pot? 2) Naw 1) Cool cool |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:28pm
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Seeing as how you are ~17 now, its normal for people to change for better or for worse. Girls espically(god I cant spell that). I had a GF in highschool (lol hs gf) who I had a great relationship with, who then overnight decided to be the town bicycle and now probably does coccaine or something.
Regardless, here is what you should do:
1. If your friends continue to smoke but still remain good people... then you should let them be. Find something else to do when they are smoking. Dont go buy weed with them, etc. I dont smoke, but I have good friends who probably smoke more than Choopie. They dont rob me for money or get me arrested by association.
2. If your friends become typical 17-18 year old punks... find new friends.
I used to be all "oh noez reefer madness!" when I was young, but now I know that many people smoke, and I choose not to. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:52pm
| Thanks for the advice guys. I'll just monitor them for a while and if they get worse (like try other drugs or do other more dangerous things) then I'll peace out. Other than that I don't think it will bother me more than it already has and I'll just deal. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 9:17am
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If they move on to hard drugs the least you could do is provide them with some info on how bad those drugs are for them and what they're jeopardizing by doing them. Then if they don't come to their senses you should definitely stop hanging with them. Erowid has quite the database for info on various mind-altering substances. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 9:42am
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What YOU choose to do has very little bearing on your friends if you are strong willed and not a "follower". I had tons of friends in HS that drank, did pot, and other drugs. Didn't affect me at all, as I had a different focus. I was always the designated driver, as everyone knew I didn't drink or smoke, or do drugs.
I always prefered to remember my fun.
Sure I drifted away from the guys that got hardcore into stuff like that, not on purpose, but we just had less, and less in common. Stoners typically end up being pretty boring friends...
"duuuude, wanna hang and watch tv"
not my idea of "fun".
Just let them know that you aren't down, and don't appreciate it being done around you. If they are real friends they won't have a problem with that.
And be careful with the legal consequences... As the driver, you have an obligation to know what goes into your car, as you will be held responsible for it.
I had my car searched on the side of the road one time, cops pulled out every single thing out of my car and piled it on the side of the road. One of my buddies had been smoking weed, and the cop clearly smelled it. But, my insistance to not let that stuff in my car saved me from going to jail, and getting a record for my friends stupidity.
cop even called a drug dog in, and they found nothing. Then I got to pick up all my junk and put it all back in my car... What a pain. ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 10:25am
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Rofl_mao aren't you Canadian? To quote classified " smoking marijuana, we consider it legal" And that's not far from the truth at all. Police have better things to do than harass kids about small amounts of pot. Selling large amounts, growing or smoking while you drive can get you in trouble, but that's about it in regards to cannabis. As other people have said, harder chemical drugs are when you should start to stray away from your friends. But that doesnt mean forever, people go through crap. Friends like you are good for people like that as well. You can show them you can have as much fun as them without getting high or trashed. Possibly inspiring a few of them to quit. Plus you can brag about how you are saving your money and not wasting it.  |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 11:00am
But it is still illegal? To quite FE, AMIRITE? Change the legislation. Doing it on the sly, "because it is not justified" will still result in you getting a criminal record. I'm not arguing the effects of the drug THC on your body. It is ILLEGAL. Same as underage drinking, same as murder. The fact it is a crime is what should be enough of a warning to stay away from it. If it is, as you said, unjustified, then change the law. The law will win if you ignore it and do your own thing. Hanging around people who break the law "cos it is cool" is actually, not cool. Oh great. You can list a couple of people who have claimed to smoke dagga. Woopee. Where are their tox screens showing them with it in their blood? It's easy to claim something when you don't need to run a tox screen. There are plenty of people out there who have smoked it and NOT ammounted to much. Like you said, it is more the person than the drug, but that is true of any addictive substance. I'm not saying Mary J is a gateway drug. I'm not saying smoking it will turn you into a slacker who won't ammount to anything. I'm saying it is illegal, and messing around with it is stupid. As is messing around with anything illegal. I'd have given him the same advice if they were sitting around discussing robbing a bank. It isn't cool. It LOOKS cool to minors, but actual grown ups will think it's a waste of time. If you read closely I wan't insulting you, (unless you took that dope is for dope comment to heart). I was saying smoking weed is stupid. While my research probably isn't as scientific as yours, it did actually involve friends like Rolf's and smoking weed myself. I'll happily admit that alcohol was my drug of choice. You know what? Drinking is pretty stupid too. Job applications are rather harder to complete when they have drug screens and police record checks. Scoty, extreme examples? Sure. Show me how smoking pot is less illegal. Beating your wife and murder are also acceptable in extremely narrow margins. The punishment for getting caught smoking pot might be less, but in most places it is still a crime. TL:DR, move to Alaska. IIRC you are allowed something like 5oz of the stuff for personal use there. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 11:47am
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Kayback, nobody is calling it cool, I do not understand why you keep repeating that. I'll let chewp address your issues with the list of people. And there are many attempts to change the legislation, it is a slow process. You want to know why it's ludicrous to compare the illegality of murder to the illegality of possessing cannabis? Aside from the glaring differences between taking a life and smoking at home, if I get stopped and they find a joint on me they are not going to arrest me, or charge me with a felony. For murder they most certainly would charge me with a felony. Stop with the extreme examples, you're not helping your cause. I also do not understand why your posts on this subject are worded in such an antagonistic manner. Will you calm down a little? You're acting like Linus. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 11:52am
| So you always go 1 mile per hour under the limit there Kayback? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 12:07pm
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Kayback is right. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 12:14pm
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Yes, he's right, it is illegal. And what we have supported is the idea that it is wrong to criminalize it in the first place. Something Kayback can likely agree with, however you can not, FE. -------------
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:17pm
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Although strictly speaking it is illegal and in theory this renders the idea of hanging out with these lads rediculous, suicidal and blasphemous in reality there is little to no chance that it can have any serious (by any standards) consequences. I don't think rofl will be smoking while driving, smoking it at all, carrying it or selling it to kids. You cant be arrested for being with a guy who gets caught with a 20 bag if you have notthing on you.
Im trying to keep my response directed at the original question and not get into a weed legalisation/moral argument because i don't care. And i see no reason to flip out about this. They will be smoking in places they are not likely to get caught and if rofl makes an effort to keep himself in the clear ie not or smoking it, not carring a bong in his backpocket through the shopping centre offering people tokes of his dank cheese, not getting caught staring into the mirror giggling with a pizza burning in the oven or wearing those really cool t shirts with the like biggest ganja leaf on it then he'll be fine. |
Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:25pm
it took two out of my friends out of our group getting DUI's to figure out that driving to the bar sober and taking a drunk $13 cab ride home is cheaper than paying $3000 in fines. i think most everyone goes through this phase half think drugs are cool and get really into reggay and tiedye and half sober, it balances out after a while. ------------- 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:33pm
| $3000 in fines? That's it? Pssh |
Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 4:30pm
that was a rough estimate, not including the alcohol intervention camps (drunk camps) they both had to go to, and the replacement of an F150. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 4:56pm
You know what? No I don't. I also happen to not complain about it when I get caught. It also isn't something likely to get me suspended from work. I also don't speed to fight the man because speeding is harmless and should be free. (Speeding IS harmless. Driving beyond your limit is not). I also happen to live in a slightly different driving enviroment to you (probably) and honestly, going the speed limit, or below it, can be just as dangerous. I've been involved in more accidents below the speed limit than I have had above it. All that aside, HV, like I said that is the punishment for the crime, not the fact that something is more or less illegal than the other. I'm fully in support of changing the law. If there is sufficient evidence that it should be unbanned, then I'm behind it. I have, however, dealt with drug dealers from the other side of the law. I happen to despise drug dealers and everything they deal in and most people who use their product. While there is a valid argument to be made around the legalizing of it and the reduction in associated crime, that isn't always the case. I've dealt with alcohol and cigarette crime as well. Just because something is now legal does not mean the crime around it evaporates. I honestly don't see the point of unbanning dagga. No one needs it. Those that do can get it. Most of the people I know who smoked it primarily smoke it because it was naughty. (hey we were 19, we did stupid things).
------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 4:56pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 5:22pm
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Kayback, isn't the punishment supposed to be representative of the severity of the crime? If not, everything from jaywalking to murder would be met with decades-long prison sentences. Btw, there is a difference in how illegal something is. Possessing a joint is a misdemeanor, murder is a felony. The punishment of those offenses also reflects the difference between the two classifications. In my view you have a seemingly irrational hatred for pot smokers. I realize there are cultural differences at play here but it still seems excessive. How many stoners have you seen rob a convenience store because they can not afford a $20 bag of weed? The evidence clearly shows it should be decriminalized, and I support legalization as well as regulation. It is harder for children to buy alcohol and tobacco because we regulate those products and restrict their sale. Your corner drug dealer is not carding people for a dime bag. Oh and while you're there for weed, he'd like to advertise some of the other fine illicit products he peddles. Since they're all illegal you get a blending of the markets. Talk about a gateway, thanks, War on Drugs. We're missing out on insane tax revenue there too, but we'll save that for a real legalization thread. I feel we'll eventually get there, surely in my lifetime. Something has to change though in the way we combat the drug problem, the current method is not working and at a terrible cost to society. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 5:31pm
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What does alcohol have going for it to render it more legally acceptable than marijuana? It's not better for you, personally alcohol impairs me far more than marijuana, the drug war costs billions of dollars and puts thousands of people in prison every year, we could tax marijuana, it would take money out of cartel pockets and into the economy. ????? ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 5:55pm
He didn't kill himself or someone else. I consider that getting off easy. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 6:18pm
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Truth. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 6:18pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 6:25pm
I can see your argument. But light red and dark red are still red. Smoking pot, in places where it is illegal, is not somehow more legal than murdering someone. It is a crime that carries a lesser punishment yes but it is not more legal.
About half a dozen actually. Then again, the guy they buy their $20 weed from also sells crack. Stop buying drugs and he'll go out of business. i realise that is ALL drugs, but sure.
And whlie there are regulations, people will be breaking them. There is no law on the number of Polo shirts you can own, but you can still buy knockoffs. Go figure. Generally, around here, the same gang that'll sell you a fake Polo at the lights will sell you dagga in the evening. Mary Jane IS regulated at the moment. For some reason you think this isn't right. Welcome to moving goalposts. It migt be harder for kids to buy alcohol and tobacco, but they still manage to do it, along similar lines that they get Ganja as well. How does making it legal to own for people above a certain age prevent underage people getting it any more than it being illegal prevents anyone getting it? Alcohol has very little going for it. I've said that before. There are some minor health benifits to drinking it, but these are under further investigation. Maybe it isn't a problem in the US/Canada. Maybe only spoilt suburban kids smoke it for fun. I honestly don't know. I DO know that it has massive social and ecconomic effects in the low income areas where I used to work. Not as much as alcohol, and not as much as more dangerous drugs, but it does have an effect. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 6:39pm
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Kayback, would you not have to agree that if alcohol were perfectly legal for adults in a country than marijuana being illegal is rather hypocritical? I'm not going to argue whether or not it has bad effects. Cane sugar being legalized in a market can have bad effects. In my opinion, especially in this country, things need to have a strong legitimate reason to be illegal, for marijuana, those reasons just aren't there; in my opinion. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 13 July 2011 at 7:12pm
I wasn't offended. I had to pay over $5,000 in fines, and did 30 days in county because of my DUI. But I'm still grateful all that happened, was a DUI |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 9:23am
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'member that story I posted about the bum that shot the guy in the car... Turns out, that story was invented. What really happened was the driver of the car wanted some drugs. Went to a drug dealers house in Dayton, and his passenger stayed inside the car (wonder if he wanted nothing to do with the drugs?...)
Driver then stole drugs, and ran. Taking off in his car.
Drug dealers gave chase, shootout occured on the highway.
PASSENGER is now paralyzed from the neck down.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110714/NEWS010701/110714004/-Panhandler-discounted-in-drug-deal-shooting?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE - http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110714/NEWS010701/110714004/-Panhandler-discounted-in-drug-deal-shooting?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE
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Posted By: Donald Blake
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 12:37pm
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KBK is right. Doesn't matter how many cool celebritities smoke pot - it is ILLEGAL (at least in the US) to possess marijuana, and that makes it a problem. Yes, things are changing, but right now even being in the vincinity of the stuff can cause a problem that will never go away. That's right: NEVAR! It's as simple as this - you either do or do not have a criminal record. You either have or have not been arrested. Many avenues in life will become more difficult - or outright impossible - with even the slightest infraction on your record. It's like filling out the medical history at the doctor's office. It is easy to do when you just check "no" for everything. But once you check even one box "yes," you have to add the explanation. Now that form takes fifteen minutes instead of thirty seconds, and then the doctor will want to talk about it too. Many schools ask applicants if they have ever been convicted of a crime. Some ask if applicants have ever been arrested, regardless of conviction. The same is true for many employers, as well as certifying bodies. Being admitted to the bar (as a lawyer, that is, not a patron) is much more challenging with a minor drug charge than without. Same for medical boards. There are still government jobs that reject all applicants with any past drug use. Sure, you might be able explain that "it was my friend's pot" in each of these circumstances, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN. And you will therefore lose compared to the guy who just answered "no." Maybe in ten years a drug arrest won't mean anything. It certainly doesn't mean as much now as it did ten years ago. But here and now it is still a Very Bad Thing in terms of your employment options and prospects*. *Unless you already have convictions for rape and murder, in which case the pot charge will probably not get much attention ------------- 
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 1:14pm
And this is why I can understand where the ROFL was coming from. I don't care to be around people who have marijuana for any extended periods of time. If friends of mine start smoking, while I'm around, I tend to leave. It's a friendly leave, but a leave none-the-less. Not because I don't like them, or because they're not my friends, but I've got quite a bit of future going on where a drug-related anything - even it being someone else's drugs - is going to be a very bad thing. I can, mentally, separate the two concepts. No, I don't think marijuana should be criminalized like it currently is. But, for now, it is. And I'm not going to risk my future holdings to it. This I can sympathize with the original concern of this thread - not because of the "morality" aspect of drugs. It all comes down to legal, for me. I don't like the legal risk of being around people who have or are consuming drugs. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 1:17pm
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Tell them that you do not want to do it and would appreciate it if they didn't do it around you.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 1:18pm
Makes perfect sense to me, just like someone who wanted to enter law enforcement. It's being realistic and responsible with the prospect of being in the public eye in a context where that would not look good if it came to light. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 1:38pm
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Whale, what legal risk of being around someone who is high?
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 2:05pm
Who simply is high, none that I can think of. I'm not an expert, though. Possession of, being around while consumed, etc., is where my concern is. And those two things tend to have a positive correlation. And I generally don't -care- in the sense of concern for people who are in possession of, or are consuming, but I usually excuse myself politely. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 2:13pm
I'll go back to DB's post to answer this one.
Jobs that are considered "public trust" positions or those that require a security clearance also require a background check. In some cases these can be quite extensive. They can include not just convictions, but even arrests for which no charges were pursued, and such previous actions can be disqualifiers for the position in question. The type of job determines the type of check but they can go back seven to ten years or even go so far as to include the word "ever" when questions are asked. While I am not as familiar with the adjudication part of the process as the investigative part, I will say that one's previous associations are probably given weight when decisions are being made. (Note that intentionally misrepresenting/not listing such associations is an automatic disqualifying factor based on honesty. For certain things, it can be kind of a Catch-22 situation.) For a off-the-top-of-my-head example that might apply to Whale specifically, consider the following: Whale writes an article promoting the legalization of marijuana. Someone who opposes this hires an investigator that discovers he was a major pot-head from the time he was 6 years old onwards. When this comes out, it calls his credibility as an impartial journalist into question. Does this mean he wasn't impartial, no it doesn't; but it does give the appearance of bias, which damages his credibility. In many cases, the appearance of wrongdoing or the potential for it to occur are sufficient to cost someone a job or opportunity. (Especially in government related circles.) To be fair, I have to point out that such association-related issues do not just apply to hanging out with people who like to toke. Associating with anyone who makes any stupid/illegal decisions can put someone in a situation that affects their opportunities for the rest of their life. Choose your friends carefully. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 2:46pm
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Whale, perfectly reasonable, sorry to be so picky about phrasing. I just wanted to make sure people didn't get the wrong idea like you could be arrested for playing vidya gaems with someone who is baked. This is to Kayback and Rambino, where in this thread has anyone contradicted the fact a mark on your record can, and most likely will, hurt some of your chances in the job market? I'm all for reinforcement but I think we've all been on the same page there since page 1. Kayback, I have not argued it is legal, merely attempted to point out the absurdity of equating murder and reefer on the grounds of both being illegal. While doing that it would have been better for me not to push any of the popular legalization arguments. That can wait for a legalization thread. I just want you guys to realize everyone is in agreement about the potential risks of possession. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 3:01pm
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Two quick things, Mack. First, do you know what job field the OP is planning to enter? I do, seems like you don't. Second, you're reading way too much into my question to Whale. Whale understood what I meant, again it seems like you don't. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 5:09pm
Doesn't seem specific to original poster. Seems pretty generic actually. A more simple answer about the risk of being around someone who is high (or drunk/immature/stupid) is that they will do something and the person with them will end up as an accessory (legal definition) without ever having been involved or intending to have been involved. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 5:42pm
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I guess I'd be crazy for advocating obeying the law out of respect thereof?
I've smoked alot if pot, and done worse drugs. I wouldn't now, but I have and recognize that people are going to do so. I'm not arguing the MORALITY of pot, but the LEGALITY of pot. And I don't understand how disagreeing with a law makes it morally justifiable to break it? And to make myself clear, I'm not nitpicking anyone for breaking the law. What I'm saying is that it's important to recognize that engaging in illegal acts is wrong unless there's an overriding moral concern at large. So if you're buying pot for your friend who's in pain from a terminal illness, I'll stand behind that all day. But to grab a 20 sack to puff down with a round of CoD is a whole different ordeal. I don't care that anyone smokes pot, I think it's your business. But I think that you should recognize that breaking the law is wrong whether you agree with the law or not. Not trying to step on toes or anything. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 5:43pm
I underlined the portion you missed. Want me to increase my font in the future? You're right about being associated but don't you think the individual would be smart enough to stop his dumb friend from doing something (rather bland to say do something but we'll stick with your phrasing) or distance himself before it happened if he was unable to prevent it? Working on a very vague what if scenario there but to tie it back into the point of the thread Rofl should not have that problem. He's been given sound advice, from everyone, not to be around when the weed is present, not to ride with someone holding, not to give a ride to someone holding... how many times are we going to reiterate this point? Nobody is in disagreement over it. -------------
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Posted By: Donald Blake
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 7:04pm
In theory, none. In practice? Cops show up, and your "friend" stuffs a baggie in your pocket before the frisking begins. Or they are sitting in your car, or your apartment, or your boat (that you are on), and the baggies are dropped/left behind/stashed. And when trying to explain that "it isn't mine, officer, I swear!" your credibility will be damaged by the smell of pot on your knit cap and the slight contact high you have picked up along the way. People get arrested all the times for being in the vicinity of a crime.
Maybe literally correct, but there have been numerous deviations into how MJ isn't really that bad, or isn't morally wrong, or whatever other semi-excuses. The bottom line is that the world is run by your parents' humorless friends, and (IMO) most people under 30 seriously underestimate how seriously some of these things are taken.
I've been through the bar admission process twice, and my recollection is that ALL the questions were "ever." Provide complete driving histories from all states/countries where you have been licensed; provide details on all lawsuits to which you were a party; list/describe all arrests, foreign and domestic; list all drug use other than tobacco and alcohol - legal or illegal, foreign or domestic; list all things you have done abroad that would have been illegal in the US; list every address at which you have ever lived; list every job you have ever held; etc. A friend of mine who is federal LEO had to name every non-citizen he knew or had associated with - ever, and - here's one: state under oath (and lie detector) that not only had he never done drugs, but he did not and had not hang out with people who did drugs. The point here is that it doesn't take much to knock you off a potential career path. Not just drugs - in my case, I was rather lucky not to have a record for any number of things that could have been a real problem. For right or wrong, we live in a society where even minor criminal infractions stay with you FOREVER. As a result, you should cherish a clean record and avoid doing stupid things that will cause problems far beyond their moral weight. Don't start fights, don't smoke pot, don't spraypaint, don't drink and drive, don't skip child support/alimony payments, don't have a just-a-month-shy-of-18-years-old girlfriend. The potential harm is far greater than you realize at the moment. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 7:10pm
| I've got the added fun of moving to a place where the governor intends on pee-pee drug testing all state employees, which I am going to be. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 7:56pm
That friend is a douche. Rofl has been instructed not to be around when weed is present. Again, we've all stated it is a good idea to not be around the drug itself due to it being illegal. I'm well aware of the risks involved, I smoked on and off (mostly on) for a few years. I do not smoke anymore. That question, as previously explained, was for whale to clarify his point. He did so. Both he and the OP have stated they will not be around the drug. I thought that would be a given when reading my post.
^ Assuming they did not have it on them, they were just high. ^
I also brought up morality to counter Kayback's hyperbole.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 8:19pm
This is my current dilemma in life. Fortunately for me, I'm not going federal I'm trying to get on at local law enforcement, but I hit a nice little bump in the road.
My plan was to get on at the PD as a temporary hold over to get me through my bachelor's, and if I could handle pursuing college and working at the PD, go for my degree from there. My governmnet professor was a recruiter and investigator for one of my local PD's, and offered to help me get on. He said with pursuing my bachelor's in business I'd have alot of oppurtunity to move around, and since it was a small PD I'd be able to go to school and still make good money. I know a few PD's will work with you on school, as a friend of mine is an Arlington cop but also pursuing a master's.
My bump in the road was that I had to, under lie detector, say that I hadn't smoked pot within the last two years. I couldn't do that. So....lucky me, I get to wait until May before I can get any kind of meaningful employment, because of one single dime sack I smoked with a couple of friends in a car for my buddy's birthday.
I'm not saying that pot is going to hinder every single person in life, or create some horrible criminal record for you. I'm just saying that A:) it is the ethical and moral high ground to obey the law when possible, and B:) at some point life is going to require that, to be successful, you be a law abiding citizen, unless you're lucky enough to find a field of work that doesn't care about personal integrity regarding the law. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 8:28pm
Just move here, a bag in your pocket that WAS yours doesn't even matter. Precedence has been set on possession in BC, they just don't even bother trying now since it's thrown out of court each and every time. |
Posted By: Donald Blake
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 8:42pm
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I can see moving to Canada so you can smoke pot. But moving to Canada just so you can HANG OUT with people who smoke pot? That's a bit extreme. :) -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 15 July 2011 at 8:44pm
| It's not because they smoke pot, it's because they're fun loving Canadians. They're your buddy, guy. |