RIP Steve Jobs
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Topic: RIP Steve Jobs
Posted By: ammolord
Subject: RIP Steve Jobs
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 7:52pm
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Looks like he just kicked the bucket.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44794300/ns/business-us_business/t/apple-says-co-founder-steve-jobs-has-died/?gt1=43001 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44794300/ns/business-us_business/t/apple-says-co-founder-steve-jobs-has-died/?gt1=43001 ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 7:59pm
| Time to short-sell Apple. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 8:07pm
Sucks, RIP. He was defintely a business icon in this country, it's a shame he didn' get to enjoy his success longer.
INB4 Bill Gates is still alive therefore MS wins. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 8:07pm
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stupid forum image display. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 8:17pm
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QUICK! Name three people that are not dead! 1) George Clooney 2) Barack Obama 3) Steve Jobs WAIT... I GOT THE LAST ONE WRONG ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 8:21pm
| "Looks like an Apple a day didn't keep the doctor away." |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 8:54pm
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That's a bummer. I'll say this, which I attempted to say on Facebook: I don't know what it is like to have a brain like that - to spend your whole life looking at society and seeing what should be going on rather than what is going on. My research deals with societal change as the result of communications technology. And Steve Jobs contributed a whole lot to that field.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 9:10pm
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 11:40pm
Spot on. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
agentwhale007 wrote:Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 11:48pm
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Introducing the iCoffin... ------------- 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 12:08am
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It's a 2' square white box. Nobody is sure how to get the body in there yet but functionality was never a factor anyways. It is shiny. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 1:35am
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There's no denying he managed a hell of a turn around for Apple. I have a hard time calling him a technical innovator, but he definitely had amazing vision. I find it a little tacky that it was Apple who announced the death, but that might just be me. RIP, Steve ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 7:56am
| I thought unemployment was already bad enough, but losing Jobs like this takes it to a whole new level. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 8:00am
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I've been a huge supporter of Apple since the 80's... I even purchased hundreds of shares of AAPL when everyone thought it was done for in the late 90's for $12.00 a share...
I have sold hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of apple gear over the years, and my company is full of apple products, that I recommended...
I have never purchased a single apple product... Not one...
RIP Mr. Jobs, the way you made i into a brand and fiercly protected that brand has been amazing to watch.
------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 9:26am
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I never drank the Apple flavored kool-aid, but several around me have and are pretty loyal to the brand. Unfortunately, I got the feeling that Jobs was really the main force behind keeping Apple viable and wonder if it will be able to continue or die out within a decade? ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 10:24am
What should be going on?
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Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 10:24am
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I wonder that too. I think the next few years will really show whether they sink of swim, given that they're truly deprived of his skills now. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 10:46am
After Jobs is buried, Apple will sue every coffin/casket maker that makes a similar coffin/casket in which Jobs was laid to rest. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 11:55am
As far as the tech user market, I'd say so.
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 11:57am
From everything I've read, unlike his last departure from the company, Jobs pretty much stacked the board and designer groups with people who thought like him.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 3:11pm
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Who was Steve Jobs?
bootstraps baby! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 7:04pm
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You know, I'm not going to short-sell Jobs' greatness. The man had a gift, that's for sure, but I'm sick and tired of hearing all types of things attributed to his "genius" that simply weren't his ideas.
Things I've seen attributed to Jobs that he didn't create: -Computer Mice -Graphical User Interface -Tablet PCs -MP3 Players -Multipurpose "Smart" phones -The PC -Stylus/Touchscreen interface etc. He was a fantastic business manager, and one hell of a marketing guru, but he wasn't responsible for those, or any of a number of other things he is being quoted as inventing. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 7:27pm
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Tallen you're missing the point. People aren't (or shouldnt) be saying he invented those things, however he was undeniably formative in their role/ prevalence in the world we live in. No he didn't invent the mouse, but he was who picked it up and integrated it into a visual UI and standardized it. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else, but it WAS him, whether it came from xerox or not.
He wasn't an inventor, he was an innovator, and he could look at existing products and see what they should be and where they should be. Before him, design was considered a vain optional extra with no impact on ROI. He showed that was not the case, and changed the industry heavily. No, he didn't invent smartphones, but your head is up your ass if you think the iPhone isn't largely to thank for much of what is now expected of our phones. Nobody thinks he invented tablet PC's, but can you remember how much interest there really was before the iPad? It had been tried and failed several times, but it took the iPad to push the market into "we're ready and interested" mode, and that was when the iPad wasn't even that remarkable in terms of features. Basically, you're missing the point, and people who think he 'invented' those things are too, however saying those things would be what they are without him is just ignorant. I know things like this obviously are much more related to my daily life than some, but stil http://www.forbes.com/sites/velocity/2011/10/05/yves-behar-steve-jobs-changed-my-life/ - Worth a short read from Yves Behar |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 8:01pm
Totally agree with this statement.
I do believe he deservers all the recognition he gets for business and marketing abilities though. The guy was a true business genius, probably one of the greatest marketing men in our time. Very few men in his position take on being both the head of a company AND it's image without coming across as egocentric. This guy was just passionate about his product, and that transcends any opinions I have about said product. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 9:05pm
| stratoaxe: exactly. You could completely dislike every apple product and their business practices, but his influence on the modern world is huge. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 9:33pm
| Come on guys, its too zune for us to be debating about this. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 9:38pm
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Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile either. He created the consumer market for the automobile. Thus is the applicable analogy. Xerox had the boxes in a basement doing nothing. Jobs made a consumer market for the idea.
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Posted By: pepprdog
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 8:41am
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There are things he didn't directly invent but many were his ideas that were put into actual use/production. -------------  NRA Certified;Range Safety officer NRA Certified Instructor: Basic Pistol-Home Firearm Safety-Ohio Concealed Carry "Refu |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 9:47am
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More important than his "products" was his ability to create buzz. He KNEW and understood how to create not just a cool product, but an "identity" product.
That is what set him and Apple apart.
I never personally purchased an Apple product, because I'm in marketing and I don't easily believe the hype... When purchasing a computer, I realize that buying cheap is the way to go, as computers change so fast that buying the name brand, or the latest and greatest, will only get you about a month before it is outdated...
Apple computers work great, but they aren't perfect, any more than a well built PC is great or horrible... Check the consumer reports, research users opinions and find one that works for you. Unless brands are important to you...
And Steve Jobs was a king at making people buy into the "brand" of Apple.
That was his genius, He made many bombs, but they all had lots of "hype" behind their release. The information was kept secret, then a BIG rollout with much fanfair.
The white earbuds litterally sparked a revolution.
Course I remember the newton... The original "ipad" and the way it tanked as the technology wasn't there yet. I also remember tons of people buying the newton convinced that it was exactly what they needed... And I NEVER heard them badmouth it even after it quietly went away.
That is some powerful branding! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 9:49am
That was probably painful.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 9:57am
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As mentioned, I don't drink the cool-aid, but have to admit when using my wifes Apple laptop, that some of the controls are pretty neat. Very intuitive and you definitely miss them when they are not at your fingertips. They come with some pretty cool media software as well. Anyone into that really seems to be into Apple. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 11:34am
| FE got it pretty close. Jobs was never really an inventor. He wasn't our generation's Edison. He was a genius in marketing, PT Barnum of consumer electronics. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 11:55am
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He did manage to create one of the most fanatical fan bases in the history of marketing. ------------- ? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 12:27pm
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Steve Jobs is a perfect example of the American Dream achieved. Just think how many kids have been aborted that might have been the next Steve Jobs...
Luckily Abortion was illegal when he was born, else we wouldn't even know him... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 12:54pm
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So even Øbama tweeted about Steve Jobs death... Nothing like turning his death into a reminder that Obama is running for office... Classy. 'Rest in peace, Steve Jobs. From all of us at #Obama2012, thank you for the work you make possible every day - including ours.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046397/Steve-Jobs-Dying-Apple-boss-left-plans-years-new-products.html - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046397/Steve-Jobs-Dying-Apple-boss-left-plans-years-new-products.html ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 12:56pm
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Obama is running for president? I had forgotten all about that! ------------- 
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 1:24pm
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Congratulations FE, you managed to throw abortion into another thread. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 1:41pm
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I was going to edit or rebuke you for being rude enough to work political rhetoric into a thread where politics should be left aside....but I'm going to leave it up to you to remove that or take the well deserved abuse that comes from here on out. Because that's just really, REALLY bad taste. ------------- ? |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 1:45pm
So his mom getting pregnant by a guy on her dorm floor, wouldn't end in abortion today?...
Abortion wasn't an option in 1955...
According to statistics, the "steve jobs" of today has been aborted. That fact isn't "mean" or abusive, or political, but a fact of life...
Are we not allowed to speak the truth today? ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Ruska
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 2:09pm
Have some class...... ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 2:10pm
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 2:21pm
QFT. Pot calling the kettle black. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 2:31pm
I've found Henry Ford to be the least-incorrect analogy. He didn't invent or create the physical product himself. He created the consumer market - and almost the environment for it.
That's the thing with Apple. For the most part, the people who use Apple don't just like Apple, it is their entire computing life. I know the company has a lot of haters (And I consider myself a hater that uses the products) but the people who do use the product tend to have extremely high satisfaction rates. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 3:05pm
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Also, marketing != design, and Apple has incredible design. Jonathan Ive and his team are unbelievably good at what they do, and 'genius' design is remarkably difficult. Not only do they design forwards, but sideways as well, preparing themselves and their market for their own future. It's a rare and powerful balance of design and marketing. They aren't the same, but they are masters of both.
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1665089/the-secret-to-apples-long-term-success-it-always-prepares-you-for-the-future - Another good read |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 3:33pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/8-things-didn-t-know-life-steve-jobs-172130955.html - http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/8-things-didn-t-know-life-steve-jobs-172130955.html ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 3:42pm
| I knew all of those but #6 and #7. If you guys haven't seen it, watch Pirates of Silicon Valley. It's a good watch about the start of Apple and Microsoft. |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 3:47pm
Henry Ford is most recognized for the assembly line process more than the car itself. But I agree with what you said. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 5:03pm
| http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs - Interesting Read |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 5:13pm
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Sad, but not that big of a deal. ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 7:21pm
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-uses-iphone-to-announce-steve-jobs-funeral-protest/2011/10/06/gIQAJqBjPL_blog.html - Steve Jobs is in hell, apparently. Thanks for that WBC. Here's an idea-let's put the WBC on an island with Harold Camping and nuke it on October 21. That way both groups AND the general public get their wish. Three birds with one wmd. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 7:28pm
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Edit: Deleted because I don't feel like feeding trolls -------------
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 07 October 2011 at 7:31pm
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I see FE is at it again.... Good lord man, give it a rest. Its hard to go into EVERY thread and see that you, once again, try to turn it into a political thread in some way, shape, or form.
SSOK, good call. Let the troll go hungry. ------------- PSN Tag: AmmoLord XBL: xXAmmoLordXx ~Minister of Tinkering With Things That Go "BOOM!"(AKA Minister of Munitions)~ |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 08 October 2011 at 5:18am
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Never liked Apples that much.
I did have an Ipod somewhere. Pity Steve and Richard never went into business together. With Burt Rutan. That could have been cool. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 7:05am
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Sorry to bump, but found this pertinent: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-stuns-Wall-Street-with-rb-4267113931.html?x=0 - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-stuns-Wall-Street-with-rb-4267113931.html?x=0 ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 7:40am
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It surprised me that the initial number of 4S units sold is double that of the iPhone 4 when it was unveiled last year. It's basically the same phone! People sure are gullible... |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 8:35am
| or many people are still running the 3GS like me and are ready for an upgrade/need an upgrade. When the iphone 4 came out, I had an early upgrade available but the 4 wasn't a huge improvement. I decided I could wait for the next one to be released. Now it has been over 2 years with the 3GS and I loved it until about the past 2 months or so. It just shuts down anytime I try to do something with more than basic computing power. It even shuts down at 100% battery. I'm sure the battery is pretty much dead now. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 8:42am
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I am due for an upgrade and think I may take the plunge and buy one of the new IPhones. My daughter loves hers. I hate the touch screen, but when I realized you could use it horizontally instead of vertically it makes it a lot easier to use. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 9:24am
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Lots of my friends have the new one... One of them was looking at my blackberry bold this weekend at some pictures, and he kept smearing my screen trying to get the picture to zoom in... I laughed, and showed him how, and a few minutes later there he was again with his fingers smearing up the screen again! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 3:24pm
I have to disagree, only because of processor speed and dsplay quality. Going to a 3GS from a 4 feels like going from a modern, top of the line PC to a 2001 Dell, and the Retina display is just plain purdy.
I won't be upgrading this time, for two reason-I don't feel the need, and I'm dead broke. Right now my current iPhone 4 destroys your fingers thinks to the spiderwebbed glass (I tend to hurt my phone when I'm angry), so I'll be happy for the hand me down 4 I'll get when someone in my family upgrades. -------------
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 3:53pm
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I have played with a 4 while having my 3GS. It may be faster, but not enough to warrant it. All it really did was load up applications quicker. I have never been in a need for an app to open 3-5 seconds faster. Facetime is basically pointless because of the wifi restriction. The screen does look much nicer, but that wasn't enough to warrant a change when my 3GS was running strong. Besides, I saved $200 waiting for the next gen "S" |
Posted By: ParielIsBack
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 4:28pm
I got a 4S and it is definitely an upgrade from the 4 (which my girlfriend's entire family has). That said, I think it's significantly related to the the 2-year upgrade cycle. ------------- BU Engineering 2012 |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 19 October 2011 at 5:42pm
No, you just don't get it. Do you already forget about the 3GS? Seriously, people have the memory of damaged goldfish. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 7:18am
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Wait, I thought Steve Jobs was a http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html?1319148475 - liberal businessman ? Quoted from article;""You're headed for a one-term presidency," he told Obama at the start of their meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where "regulations and unnecessary costs" make it difficult for them.
Jobs also criticized America's education system, saying it was "crippled by union work rules," noted Isaacson. "Until the teachers' unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform." Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year." ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 7:54am
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 8:18am
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*clearly whale missed the sarcasm*
Where are Apple products produced?... Oh yeah, China...
In liberal land you can mistreat employees if they are half way around the world and you can pretend the problems don't exist...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/30/apple-chinese-workers-treated-inhumanely - http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/30/apple-chinese-workers-treated-inhumanely
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/string-suicides-apple-manufacturer-china/story?id=10789704 - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/string-suicides-apple-manufacturer-china/story?id=10789704
"We were not allowed to talk during work. We weren't even allowed to look around. Our superiors used a stop watch to time us. We were fined for any mistakes we made."
People with morals should have a problem owning a product produced on the backs of laborers like that...
When I found out about this abuse of their employees... I sold my stock in Apple. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 8:25am
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So you infer that Steve Jobs wasn't actually liberal, Then say you were being sarcastic, Then claim:
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 9:32am
The liberal trait is "rules are for OTHERS" not them...
not equal rights, but "special" rights.
Clearly Jobs was right about Obama hurting the business in our country, and I was being sarcastic that he was laying out a conservative viewpoint, seeing as he has all of his assembly done overseas...
You know, "different" rules for other suckers... Not Him! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 9:39am
Please answer the question: Is not supporting worker's rights a liberal trait now? Because what you just posted was gibberish, when in the context of what we're discussing. Those Chinese workers were treated in the same manner as other workers in China, most likely (And depressingly).
What "rules" were being broken?
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 9:52am
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Hmm... Hard to say...
When I think "rules" I think of rules laid down by God. You know "moral" rules. But, since he didn't believe in God, then he must have had different rules?
Maybe it is part of that "social contract" that liberals often speak... You know the one that no one defines, but it comes up all the time as part of the constitution, somehow... Part of the whole "living wage" argument.
Seems to me a good liberal would pay the extra to hire American workers and pay them the "living" wage, and allow them a "fair" standard of living... Shipping your production jobs overseas just to make more profit seems like the height of hypocrisy.
------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 9:54am
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 9:57am
Then, perhaps, as is apparent, Jobs was not a "good liberal," and probably never was. Neither was he a conservative, in many regards. Jobs was a business-minded individual, all politics aside. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 10:19am
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And that is why my comment was sarcastic. To be good at business, you can't have liberal ideology, as it fails in a business criteria...
Look, liberals love to tell others how to live their lives. They pretend that they can have this liberal utopia where they can do what they want, and then out of the other side of their mouth, they make a million rules to "protect" things... This double mindedness destroys their business if they run it that way. It certainly isn't "freedom".
For example. I think you should trust people, but lately at work our employees have stopped clocking out for lunch. Now a liberal would make a rule about that, and they would make sure that everyone followed that rule... Except I have employees that keep their equipment running while they eat... So they SHOULD be on the clock. Others sit at the lunch table and stop working... Clearly THEY should be OFF the clock.
So you put up a note, saying there isn't a rule, but stop stealing from the company and clock out if you aren't working. This makes the choice not a "rule" but a moral choice. If your employees are moral, they will fix the problem without making a rule... If not, pretty soon that lack of a moral compass will affect other things and they will no longer work for you... but, who would YOU rather work for? A company that lets you make your own choices, and live with the consequences, or a company with millions of rules about everything?
------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 10:23am
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Let's go back, again, to that point you brought up earlier:
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 October 2011 at 10:27am
Like if you're gay you cannot serve in the military or get married?
You've made a rule as well, just without calling it a rule. Why is that different?
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