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Topic: Firearm General Discussion Thread
Posted By: Skillet42565
Subject: Firearm General Discussion Thread
Date Posted: 20 December 2011 at 11:51pm
So, I see a lot of people around here are shooters, so I thought I would make us a thread to encompass all of our conversations and keep it general.  Please don't bring politics into this, as it tends to stink up threads.

I'll start, my current handgun is a CZ 75B, and I've been shooting since I was about 5 on my dad's Ruger 10/22. 

I'm currently working to restore an old J Stevens Springfield Model 15 back to original shape for fun plinking.


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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 12:10am
How do you like your CZ Skillet? I've always been interested in getting one (shorty has a few CZs and I've liked them) but they seem overly expensive to me. Mind you, all of my pistols are service pieces (1911 PA63 & P08).

Once I've got the M4gery all dolled up. I'm going to start concentrating on getting the old Western Field .22 I have in as smooth of working condition as possible. It may require a trip to the local gunsmith who seems to be able to work miracles with just about anything I bring him. The trigger needs to be worked on (it's an older Mossberg group from their 321 series of rifles) as it feels a bit grainy/gritty on the pull. I also need to get the bolt and receiver polished up to make the action smoother. I'm also going to have him re-work the safety to make it less titchy.


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 12:13am
You see, the CZ IS a service pistol, haha.  I paid 400 flat for mine, after taxes.  Walking in with brand new 50 dollar bills has a way of convincing the gun people, and the shop was bro-tier (they host the Knob Creek Machine Gun shoot, which is amazing).

Her name is Nika, and she is way more accurate than I am, and the steel really inspires confidence.  Run out of ammo, beat them to death.

Just took a few pictures of her:


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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 1:16am
I lost all of mine in a boating accident.


Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 1:30am
Gonna go look at some .45's tomorrow, definatly gonna look for a 1911. My dad said he would pay for the 1911 if he could have my AR. decissions decissions.

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 1:44am
AR>1911


Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 1:52am
I barely use it though, and it just dosnt have the thrill i used to get when I took it to the range. Thats the main reson im looking into this trade with my dad.

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 3:10am
If you are static shooting with the 1911, you will be bored in the same amount of time.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 3:10am
I ran out of uses for my AR and sold it. AR's are like model cars to me...fun to build, neat to show off, but then become expensive toys that sit in the corner. Will I build another one? Absolutely. My next is going to be a target gun...bull barrel, trigger job, the works. But being jobless ATM, I needed the cash more than I needed the M4

As far as guns I'll never part with, my Remington 700 varmint in .308 is my baby. I just love everything about that gun, killed my first deer with it, so on and so forth. I think 700 bull barrels are a work of art, if a bit too heavy for practical use hunting.

I really enjoy my USP .40, more so then any other handgun I've owned, but I retired it from car duty just because I was always worried it would get stolen. Don't really know why, since the Glock .45 I replaced it with is actually a little tougher to replace (G36's are crazy hard to find around here, I really don't know why).

My dad just finished his .17 target gun and I'm pretty excited to get it to a range. .17's are a blast to shoot.

Whenever I get a good job and can muster up the 800 bucks or so I plan on putting together a silenced Browning .22. But that's distant, thanks to the black hole of money that is my project truck. I'll post pics of my guns later.

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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:40am
Get some cash together and take a course to shoot with your AR.

EAG do good courses.

Then say how bored you are with it.

KBK

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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:40am
My cousin and I traded .22's about a year ago.  My AR7 for his Mossberg 144. The Mossberg needs some stock work, a new rear sight and a re-bluing.  I had the Mossberg 340 growing up and loved the thing, my favorite rifle. My Brother in Law has it now and I have been working on him to give it back. I want Son's to learn on it like I did.
My "always go to the range" rifle are all of my AR's. I take all 3 because my Wife loves shooting all of them ( not that I don't). But of the 3, The Olympic Arms lower, Colt A1 upper,Bushmaster barrel, ACE skeleton stock build I did is my "go to". And then there are my Springfields, the M1A ( Highly recommend) and my Garand. They just feel good to shoot, very accurate, and I still get a thrill shooting either of them.
I am a 1911 man. I love my Gold Cup. I have been thinking a lot about another pistol, but currently it is not in the near future. I have been seriously looking hard at another 1911 (Kimber and Springfield),  the Glock 21 and the Beretta Px4 in .45 auto. 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 8:59am
I almost bought a .22 GSG that looks like an MP-5 this weekend at a gun show... but, I'm too big of a tightwad to part with the money. Then I saw one I liked just as much at a local gun store for $100 bucks less...

$279 Very tempted, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet.

I shoot 22 most of all, but I usually just take out my pistols. I have a ruger mark 1 (my grandpa's that he carried in the korean war, as a doctor they let you carry whatever you want, and I even have his leather holster for it). 

My father in law gave me a mark 2 about 15 years ago for Christmas, and it is my favorite. I was thinking about getting a mark 3 target pistol, but once I held a few and realized just how heavy they were. I changed my mind. 


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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 9:13am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I almost bought a .22 GSG that looks like an MP-5 this weekend at a gun show... but, I'm too big of a tightwad to part with the money. Then I saw one I liked just as much at a local gun store for $100 bucks less...
$279 Very tempted, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet.


Definitely not a bad price seeing as how they were what... about $500 or so when they first came out. I've used the one Shorty has/had (don't know if he still has it or not) several times and they're just so much fun. You can't help but burn up a lot of ammo with them because they're just such a stable little pea shooter. Definitely different than a modded 10/22 or other such semi-auto.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 10:14am
Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I almost bought a .22 GSG that looks like an MP-5 this weekend at a gun show... but, I'm too big of a tightwad to part with the money. Then I saw one I liked just as much at a local gun store for $100 bucks less...
$279 Very tempted, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet.


Definitely not a bad price seeing as how they were what... about $500 or so when they first came out. I've used the one Shorty has/had (don't know if he still has it or not) several times and they're just so much fun. You can't help but burn up a lot of ammo with them because they're just such a stable little pea shooter. Definitely different than a modded 10/22 or other such semi-auto.
 
Yeah ditto on the price. I've toyed with the thought of buying one, but my local shops want anywhere from 479-550 for them, and I just can't shell out that much for a 22.
 
They look really fun though, I've had a lust / obsession for an MP-5 since I was a kid.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 10:16am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I almost bought a .22 GSG that looks like an MP-5 this weekend at a gun show... but, I'm too big of a tightwad to part with the money.


Dude for that money I'd ask you to buy it for me and send you the cash. I wish it was as easy as that.

I've wanted one of those for years, but they want almost the price of a full MP5 here.

I honestly think the .22 rifles like the GSG and the M&P 15/22 cross the boundry between real guns and Airsoft quite nicely. They let you do things real guns can for around the price of Airsoft :)

Having shot a GSG I must say they are the bees knees when it comes to fun. If you do get one you will not go wrong.

I'd love to have a full set of .22's.

A 1911 with a .22 conversion, a Glock running one, a Sig Mosquito, an M&P15/22, the GSG MP5, A BRNO .22.......

.22 is where it is at if you doing paper punching at <100m.

KBK


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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 10:23am
I still have an AK in a box in pieces, someday I'll finish it, but I've been saying that for 4 or 5 years.

Winchester model 12 needs work since recoil makes shells jump out onto the loading gate.

The  20 ga 870 will be scoped someday.

My go-to .22 is an old Winchester 72A that I love so much I might put good metallic sights on it. I have a bone-stock 10/22 except for a peep sight that's begging for tinkering, my M597 could use the ejector upgrade and the new mags that supposedly work, I should get rid of that 10lb trigger pull while I'm at it.

I have a Swede mauser I don't shoot, since my Garand has become my favorite centerfire. The SKS and Mosin also aren't feeling the love. I shoot my Hawken occasionally, but it's smelly and takes a whole lot of cleaning. I've probably shot the .38 more than anything lately, she likes anything 158 gr.




Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 10:24am
Aren't the GSGs just basically 10/22s in airsoft gun bodies?  That said, I definitely want one, maybe a pistol as I've been looking for a little .22 pistol to shoot for when I'm broke.

I've also been contemplating a revolver lately.


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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 10:28am
Haven't heard a lot of good things about the GSG.

If I was to do it over again, I would buy a dedicated 22lr AR upper.


Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 10:32am
I've been wanting to get a CZ for while, specifically the P-01.   But, I doubt I will be making any gun purchases for the next 3ish years.

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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 10:53am
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

I still have an AK in a box in pieces, someday I'll finish it, but I've been saying that for 4 or 5 years.

I was going to ask you about that. I have a M48 in the same condition, I might just stain the stock something dark, re-blue it and dump it.  My wife has been asking a lot about AK's lately, she hasn't shot one yet.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 11:21am
Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Haven't heard a lot of good things about the GSG.

If I was to do it over again, I would buy a dedicated 22lr AR upper.

I don't want to spend THAT kind of cash...

what have you heard bad about the GSG? I looked at the mossburg AK looking .22 it was $289, but the magazine slop was unreal... I would imagine feed issues would abound. 

The GSG fit was very nice and solid, no sloppy fit or finish anywhere. 

Clearly I haven't shot one, but the mock silencer really was cool, plus it threads off if you don't want it on there. 

If someone was standing there holding one... I don't think you would even consider that it wasn't real. And I could shoot it for super cheap since I have thousands of rounds of .22 ammo. 


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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 11:27am
If you want a good quality tacticool 22lr. Sig Sauer 522, or S&W M&P 15/22.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 11:30am
I looked at the S&W but it was over $400... I can't justify in my mind spending that kind of money on a toy. Although it held 25 bullets...

Why don't they make them that hold like 50 rounds?


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 11:45am
My vote would go solidly to the M&P. They are unreal in quality.

The GSG had some issues the first time around, but I believe there are some user fixes to improve them dramatically.

The one I shot was as smooth as silk and as crisp as glass. It was cut back to standard length and had a suppressor attached, which may have helped.

It was a joy to shoot and I was major jelly for the guy who owned it.

KBK

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 12:10pm
Just get a 10/22.  Best .22 rifle for the money, easy.  I have 2 here, and I absolutely love them.

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 12:22pm
Most fun I have ever had with a .22 was my dad's Winchester Model 62.  These things are a blast.



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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Just get a 10/22.  Best .22 rifle for the money, easy. 

This.



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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 1:03pm
I used to have an M1 Carbine. Currently, I am looking at buying an Octo-barrel Henry lever-action 22 after christmas. Then maybe a Mosin after that.

I don't own any handguns, I cant own handguns until 21 and even then I need to register them which irritates me. I am probably shooting my dads 1911 Series 70 and Sig Trailslide 22 in January.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 1:35pm
I can't say I agree with you there. While 10/22's are fun, and they sure do have a nice place in the market, I can't honestly suggest one over the "EBR"s that are available.

I really like the 10/22 I get to shoot every so often, but it is kinda like Vanilla icecream IMHO. Nice but a long way from other flavours.

KBK

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

I can't say I agree with you there. While 10/22's are fun, and they sure do have a nice place in the market, I can't honestly suggest one over the "EBR"s that are available.

I really like the 10/22 I get to shoot every so often, but it is kinda like Vanilla icecream IMHO. Nice but a long way from other flavours.

KBK
 
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/rimfire/model-597/model-597-heavy-barrel.aspx - My personal favorite .22 automatic rifle.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 2:14pm
I sold my ruger 10/22 a while back, after thousands and thousands of rounds I started getting misfeed issues with certain ammo. 

I still have a lever action, and a old marlin bolt action that I put my good scope on, (that is the .22 I shoot when out target shooting, it too was my grandpa's) but I got bored with my 10/22. I also have an old over under with a 20 gauge lower and 22 on top. I shot, skinned and ate a squirrel from that gun a few years ago. 

I finally got some 32 hollow point ammo for my pocket Kel tec, that ammo is impossible to find unless you go to a gun show...


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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 2:18pm
It seems like everyone here has their "favorite .22" they like to shoot. 

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

It seems like everyone here has their "favorite .22" they like to shoot. 



(If I could afford it)


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I started getting misfeed issues with certain ammo. 



The wonderful world of 22lr.


Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 4:24pm
I wish I could get a *PAL up here, but I have to take the stupid course first. My cousin has my dad's .303 from back in the day and I would like to get that back.

EDIT:  PAL** sorry, Purchase and Acquisition license.
Edit, looks like 5 is the maximum for centre-fire ammo in semi-auto.


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 4:33pm
So, 5 rounds for the FAL?




Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 4:38pm
5 rounds of FAL sounds... wrong.  I need to take another shower now.

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

5 rounds of FAL sounds... wrong.  I need to take another shower now.


Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 4:51pm
Heres what I got:

Quote Some high-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:
  • 5 cartridges for most magazines designed for rifles/shotguns that shoot centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic fashion
  • 10 cartridges for most handgun magazines

A high-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law (10). Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the (Criminal Code Regulations)

There is no limit to the magazine capacity for:

  • semi-automatic, rim-fire rifles
  • manually-operated rifles or shotguns (i.e.: lever-action, pump-action or bolt-action)

Additionally, there are a few exclusions on magazine regulations for certain specific firearms.

  • Lee-Enfield rifles, in which a 10-round magazines can be used
  • Magazines designed or manufactured for use in U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand), this includes Springfield Armory, Breda and Beretta M1 Garands
  • Magazines designed or manufactured for use in Charlton rifle, Farquhar-Hill rifle and Huot Automatic Rifle that are not reproductions
  • Drum-type magazines for .303 Lewis Mk1, Mk2, Mk3, Mk4, Lewis SS and .30 Savage-Lewis; .303 Vickers Mk1, Mk2, Mk3, Mk4, Mk4B, Mk5, Mk6, Mk7, as well as Bren Light MG including Mk1, Mk2, Mk3, Mk4, and any variant or modified versions of them that are not reproductions
  • Stripper clips for Hotchkiss Model 1895, 1897, 1900, 1909, 1914, 1917 machine-guns, including Hotchkiss (Enfield) No. 2, Mk1 machine-guns and any variant or modified versions of them that are not reproductions
  • Double Drum-type magazines designed or manufactured for use in MG-13, MG-15, MG-17, MG-34, T6-200, T6-220 machine-guns and any variant or modified versions of them that are not reproductions
  • Ammunition belts (metallic or fabric) that are "not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into an automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945."
  • Semi-automatic handgun magazines that were manufactured before 1910
  • "Snail-drum" type magazines that were originally designed or manufactured for use in the "Parabellum-Pistol or Luger," Borchardt-Luger, Model 1900, 1902, 1904 (Marine), 1904/06 (Marine), 1904/08 (Marine), 1906, 1908, 1908 (Artillery) and any variant or modified version of them
  • Magazines that were originally designed or manufactured as an integral part of the Mauser C96, including Model 1895, 1896, 1902, 1905, 1912, 1915, 1930, 1931, M711 and M712 and any variant or modified version of them
  • Magazines that were originally designed or manufactured for use in the semi-automatic Webley&Scott, Model 1912 and 1915


Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 5:08pm
Also, the FAL is prohibited anyway.


Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

I still have an AK in a box in pieces, someday I'll finish it, but I've been saying that for 4 or 5 years.

I was going to ask you about that. I have a M48 in the same condition, I might just stain the stock something dark, re-blue it and dump it.  My wife has been asking a lot about AK's lately, she hasn't shot one yet.
I did a great job on the first two critical rivits, then made the next two ugly and chickened out. I found a company that can do the build. It started as an idea for a very cheap AK, I got a cheap Yugo parts kit and compliance parts, then discovered there are some very nice things about the Yugos (nobody made an AWB-compliant clone so no other way to get one than build it) and am on the fence as to having it built and still having a nice rifle that's cheaper than a Romy, or going all-in and adding a green mountain chrome-lined barrel, and having all the metal refinished, and possibly adding a "correct" scope rail, even though the full-stocked rifles didn't typically have them. Might as well get some new tritium sights while I'm at it too since these are about dead. In the meantime, it gathers dust.


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 6:30pm
I'd like to get an AK, or a variant thereof.  I know people cringe at Century International, but they have some cheap stuff, and cheap is good.

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:00pm
commies


Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

I'd like to get an AK, or a variant thereof.  I know people cringe at Century International, but they have some cheap stuff, and cheap is good.

From my personal experience, I bought one of their HK G3 knock offs with a Hesse receiver many years ago. It worked, nearly flawlessly, but I couldn't hit the paper at 100 yards with out aiming off the paper approx, 2 feet low and right.  You are looking at an AK variant, it's an AK, it ain't supposed to hit anything smaller than a man at 200 yards. LOL It just has to work! I kid! I had the WUM-1 years ago, I liked it. I only paid maybe $300, new and unfired.
I found this on my first google search
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct765.aspx - http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct765.aspx


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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:56pm
Rofl: What .303? I am not familiar with any Commonwealth weapons in .303 other than the Enfield family.
...or move back to the United States LOL


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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by SSOK SSOK wrote:

Rofl: What .303? I am not familiar with any Commonwealth weapons in .303 other than the Enfield family.
...or move back to the United States LOL


Lol, it is in the Enfield family. My dad is unsure which model and I've never seen it in person, but it is WWII era.

Yes, I get jealous that in some places in the States, all you need is a valid drivers license and a nice AR-15 can be yours. (AK-47 and all variants of it are also prohibited)


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 9:03pm
One of my favorite rifles to shoot is my MKIII .303 Enfield. She did survive the flood, it was one of the ones in the gun cabinet. After a bit of cleanup, you can't tell that it was covered from stem to stern in mud and silt. Those military rifles are awesome like that.

My .22 is a savage that I bought years ago. It had the cheap wal-mart scope on it, but if I could see it, I could hit it. I just threw away the scope because it too was in the flood. I have cleaned the rifle and am going to put some test rounds through it when it gets warm again to make sure that its still shooting well. All of the barrels were plugged with mud.

My kingpin to my small collection though, is my M1. I bought it as a shooter for $500. it's a CVI. That one was not in the flood, and remained safe with me at our place while its bretherin took a beating.

I have practically 0 experience with pistols at this point. With NY's gun laws bordering on absolute violations of the 2nd amendment, lack of time and money, I have still not got my pistol permit. That's in the works for the spring though.
I feel a little less of a man for not having much of a clue what the rest of you guys are talking about in your pistol threads...I'm only a half step above "NEED ME A DESERT EAGLE LOL" I think.



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Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 9:07pm
have a brand newish AK i got through a trade when i needed money and had the overwhelming desire to get rid of MSAR STG. on the other hand i have a Stoger .22lr luger replica that needs some work, a browning .22 and a run of the mill winchester 190 .22 im fixing up for a friend of mine. apparently though the local gun shop takes 4 months to recieve a simple cocking handel from winchester. also have several other fire arms ive gotten over my 5yrs. of buying ,selling and hoarding.

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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 12:04am
I'm still determined to buy myself a really nice rifle. Something along the FNAR/m1a/EBR lines.

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 12:31am
You can't go wrong with the M1A, super nice and comfortable to shoot.

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 1:52am
Originally posted by stick_boy_2002 stick_boy_2002 wrote:

have a brand newish AK i got through a trade

Are you a tattoo artist?


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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 2:03am
Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

Originally posted by stick_boy_2002 stick_boy_2002 wrote:

have a brand newish AK i got through a trade

Are you a tattoo artist?

I laughed aloud. A lot. 


Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 4:44am
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

I feel a little less of a man for not having much of a clue what the rest of you guys are talking about in your pistol threads...I'm only a half step above "NEED ME A DESERT EAGLE LOL" I think.



Basically you can contribute to any pistol discussion by saying Glock > everything. Maybe M&P > Glock > everything.

Especially when it comes to cops and civilians who aren't limited by FMJ only. Heck even in many military situations 9x19mm > any other pistol caliber. Mainly because all pistol calibers suck, and you can generally shoot better with the 9x19mm.

Glocks are the AK's of handguns, without the accuracy drawback. Hell even AK's don't have much of an accuracy drawback, unless you comparing it to long range custom AR's. But then the Glock will lose to custom tuned handguns as well. But like the AK it'll keep on ticking no matter what.

The M&P, except for a few teething issues, is basically a Glock with a nice grip.....

KBK

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 10:58am
I don't like the grip angle of a glock... It points up when I aim it. (personal preference thing)

I love my S&W sw9ve sigma. For me it is perfect, and very accurate. For the money it just can't be beat. but the handle is too long for it to be a daily carry for me...

I got it for $225 with 4 high capacity magazines back when it came out... (they had a $50 rebate, and included a card for 2 extra magazines with purchase.)

I've put over 600 rounds through it so far, easy to clean, and no safety to mess with. Trigger pull is a little much, but if you shoot pistols a lot, it isn't a big deal. 


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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 12:16pm
I gotta say that I hated my Glock, something about the plastic doesn't inspire confidence for me.  My CZ, now thats a gun I can put rounds on target with.  The grip is natural feeling in my hand, and with one hand I can reach all of the controls, which is something I look for when I'm playing with a new pistol.

Also, the Glock Safety Action feels absolutely terrible to me.


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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

I gotta say that I hated my Glock, something about the plastic doesn't inspire confidence for me.  My CZ, now thats a gun I can put rounds on target with.  The grip is natural feeling in my hand, and with one hand I can reach all of the controls, which is something I look for when I'm playing with a new pistol.

Also, the Glock Safety Action feels absolutely terrible to me.

aye Captain.  aye



Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 3:12pm
Then get the M&P.

Personal preference will be a biggie, but if you are wanting something to fight with, the Glock is hard to beat.


Generally speaking the trigger pull on a combat handgun will be more than the weight of the gun. They are all pretty much horrid.

Honestly I can't tell the difference between most pistol triggers. Unless it is a totally obtuse DA pistol, or a custom SA trigger they all pretty much do what I'm expecting. Especially if you run the gun on trigger reset.


KBK

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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Then get the M&P.

Personal preference will be a biggie, but if you are wanting something to fight with, the Glock is hard to beat.


Generally speaking the trigger pull on a combat handgun will be more than the weight of the gun. They are all pretty much horrid.

Honestly I can't tell the difference between most pistol triggers. Unless it is a totally obtuse DA pistol, or a custom SA trigger they all pretty much do what I'm expecting. Especially if you run the gun on trigger reset.


KBK

  "a totally obtuse DA pistol"  

This is what a Glock feels like to me.  I can still squeeze off rounds fast with one.  It's just a totally bizarre feeling to pull a Glock trigger.



Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 4:52pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:


Originally posted by stick_boy_2002 stick_boy_2002 wrote:

have a brand newish AK i got through a trade

Are you a tattoo artist?

I laughed aloud. A lot. 


no im not a tatto artist. i just needed a little spending cash while i was unemployed for 2 weeks, and wanted to get rid of one of my high end assault rifles. so i walked into a gun store with it and planned on just selling it, but i can never just walk out of a gun store without getting something new. so i took a trade and some money.

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 6:02pm
Oddly enough, it's the trigger that makes me love my Glock. Both Glocks and Springfield XD's have a great feel to me.
 
The only DAO gun I've ever owned was a Sig, and I absolutely detested it. The trigger pull was so bad it was offputting...a Fort Worth PD officer tried to teach me how to pull it properly, but I eventually just swapped it for my H&K and never looked back.
 
That's no diss to Sigs of course, I wouldn't mind owning a real one, but the DAO variety just didn't appeal to me at all.


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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 6:31pm
I actually shot a DOA SIG fairly well. it takes some getting used to. The reset on the DA/SA sucks. I like everything else about SIG, but the trigger pull is important to me. The short-reset trigger group might make a big difference, but I wouldn't know. Pistol shooting is a totally different animal than rifle, and improve your rifle skills as well. I haven't belonged to a gun club in ages, i miss having to actually make wind-calls to shoot rifle. Name of the game has been practical hunting ranges and skills lately.


Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 7:14pm
I was playing around with a Glock last week... I want to say it was a 30 something, compact model in mens (.45 ACP) caliber. I honest to god could not find a comfortable grip using two hands on the thing.
 



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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

I actually shot a DOA SIG fairly well. it takes some getting used to. [Quote]
Yeah, I had my Sig for like a week LOL
 
I'm really weird about guns, I don't usually take alot of time to work with them. It's kind of a love at first sight thing for me :P.
[QUOTE=SSOK]I was playing around with a Glock last week... I want to say it was a 30 something, compact model in mens (.45 ACP) caliber. I honest to god could not find a comfortable grip using two hands on the thing.
 

 
You probably messed with a 36 like mine. I get a ton of complaints about the grip..my dad hates it. For a guy my size, I have total lady hands, so it fits me like a glove.
 
Here's my gun with and without the magazine extension, PS3 controller dropped in for size comparison-
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:20pm
    I don't use anymore grip than what your pic shows without the extension.  I don't grip with the strong hand ring or pinky finger.  I'm sure it's all sorts of bad for tactical reasons because it would take very little effort to pick the gun out of my hands while I'm shooting.    


Posted By: CHiKUN_PiMP
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:28pm
Glocks and PS3 controllers... My hands're getting uncomfortable already. Wink
My buddy has a glock and a Kimber 1911. Besides the nicer trigger and general feel of the .45, I found I aim better with guns that have a bit more recoil. It's as if the lesser recoil of the Glock makes me get lazy or something between shots.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by CHiKUN_PiMP CHiKUN_PiMP wrote:

Glocks and PS3 controllers... My hands're getting uncomfortable already. Wink
 
Haha, the humor wasn't lost on me. I genuinely hate PS3 controllers...but it was the closest thing to me when I was shooting the pic


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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 12:45am
CZs and Xboxs.  My hands are always comfortable.

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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 1:09am
I can shoot my G26 at 25 Yds and still be in the black, just remember all your fundamentals don't change because the gun gets smaller.


Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 2:06am
I can shoot minute of pepper popper with mine at ~80m. The hold over is something chronic, but it can be done.

Like Dave said, fundamentals, however I find they go to pot closer up. I rely more on point shooting than aiming, and I rush.

I can see what you'all are on about but only when I dry fire or pull the trigger to strip the Glock. The rest of the time it is squeeze bang recoil. Honestly I find that with all pistols.

KBK

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 4:44pm
Can't spell fundamentals without fun!

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 23 December 2011 at 8:27pm
Does anyone have any experience with EAA Windicators by any chance?  I've been looking to pick up a revolver for cheap as something to just play around with.

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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by DaveEllis DaveEllis wrote:

I can shoot my G26 at 25 Yds and still be in the black, just remember all your fundamentals don't change because the gun gets smaller.

I didn't shoot it.

Its not that "the gun got smaller, I can't shoot it", It was horribly comfortable and I would rather have a dozen or so firearms before that. I am not bashing it, but its not the gun for me.




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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 7:29pm
As far as plastic pistols go, I'll take a Sig any day over a Glock, honestly.

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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 8:50pm
I shot the DB9 (9x19) yesterday, and the thing kicked horribly. The gun is too light.

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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 9:16pm

If you ever get a chance to shoot one of these with the factory trigger job and ejection port work don't pass it up.




Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 25 December 2011 at 12:19am
I've heard that the grip angle makes absorbing recoil super easy.

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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 27 December 2011 at 11:45pm
Went shooting for the first time in forever today. It's been too long. Shot my dads 1911 (Colt Series '70 .45 ACP), his .38 (Colt Detective Special), his Sig Trailslide .22, and I attempted to shoot his Colt .22 short single shot, but the hammer wouldn't strike the casing well enough. Also got to try out my newest acquisition:


Henry Golden Boy .22 S/L/LR. Thing shoots like a dream


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 December 2011 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

CZs and Xboxs.  My hands are always comfortable.


Do you do requests?








Yeah, it was wrong but I couldn't resist such a set-up.  Tongue


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 28 December 2011 at 2:52pm
OOOOh. Just upgraded my Glock 26 to 10-8 performance sights.

Holy COW but these things are a major improvement over the standard Glock sights.

Especially as the Glock 26 comes with adjustable rear sights. Adjustable sights on a serious self defence gun? WTH? And they were plastic!

Loving the 10-8's.

KBK

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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 29 December 2011 at 7:17pm
I've been debating on some Novak sights, and one of those new recoil dampening systems.  Maybe a single action only trigger on the CZ, and a flared mag well.

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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 07 January 2012 at 12:39pm

I enjoy shooting them, but sometimes its a **edited** to clean them




Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 07 January 2012 at 1:31pm
Quite the collection of Glocks you have there, and nice 1911.  Two of my favorite type of guns.

My dad just ordered a G34 thats on its way now, pretty excited for it to come in.


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Posted By: chevrider
Date Posted: 08 January 2012 at 9:23pm
love the pics of all the gun up on here i wish i had a can to show off my stuff to. you all are making me what to buy another one Smile

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 08 January 2012 at 11:21pm
So, tax season is just around the corner and I'll have some extra disposable income.  I'm thinking of buying an M&P .40 Compact.  Would an M&P be a good choice for someone with stubby fingers?


Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 08 January 2012 at 11:44pm
Go to the store and fondle an M&P. IMHO, I think it is foolish to not do so when buying a firearm unless you're buying something for historical significance; IE a Luger, your grandpappys 1911, etc.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 08 January 2012 at 11:59pm
True, that's the only way I can really be sure if it'll be the right fit for me.  Any holster recommendations?


Also, contributing (lol crappy cellphone pic):



The only firearm I currently own.  Mossberg 500 12 gauge.  Bought it used for around $130.  Upgraded the furniture to a Hogue Overmolded stock/forend combo.  I'm thinking of buying an 18" barrel for home defense and keeping the 28" for waterfowl hunting at some indefinite point in the future.

Also, $8 Winchester sling.


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 1:50am
Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

So, tax season is just around the corner and I'll have some extra disposable income.  I'm thinking of buying an M&P .40 Compact.  Would an M&P be a good choice for someone with stubby fingers?


Why fortay cal?



Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 2:05am
Comp Tac Monotaur is the gold standard these days. They simply rock.

Raven Concealment are pretty good but have a 6 month wait or something.

The compact might be a little small if you want to do a lot of shooting. It does seem a nice compromise between the G19 and the G26 though.

KBK

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 2:43am
Love my minotaur.

Don't buy a sub compact with any intentions of it being a range gun. I bought mine with the sole intent because I wanted something I could conceal better, was 9mm, and double stack mag.

Is it fun to shoot? Not really, but it does fine at 7 yards

I'm a firm believer in testing before you buy. But any sub compacts suck to shoot, unless you have a pinky extension. Which if is attached while holstered, defeats the whole purpose. A lot of people will carry a spare mag, with a pinky extension.


Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 3:05am
Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

So, tax season is just around the corner and I'll have some extra disposable income.  I'm thinking of buying an M&P .40 Compact.  Would an M&P be a good choice for someone with stubby fingers?


Why fortay cal?


Because .45 ACP is a bit expensive where I live.


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 8:16am
Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

So, tax season is just around the corner and I'll have some extra disposable income.  I'm thinking of buying an M&P .40 Compact.  Would an M&P be a good choice for someone with stubby fingers?


Why fortay cal?


Because .45 ACP is a bit expensive where I live.

Honestly, .40 will do nothing that 9mm cannot do and do it better.  All it is is a snappy lowered power magnum cartridge without the magnum component.  

I'd like to throw a Sig 2022 into the ring.  It can be chambered in 9mm and .40, but honestly .40 is garbage.  It is the answer to a question that was never asked.


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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

So, tax season is just around the corner and I'll have some extra disposable income.

Every time I am to have disposable income to get a new pistol or rifle, life has a way of spending it for me on the little emergencies that occur. Lately I have been looking at slimming down my collection and upgrading what I already have. Once I get the M48 refinished I am selling that and using the cash towards a new stock on my M1A.


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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 9:36am
I made the big mistake of going to a gun show yesterday and not having someone knowledgeable to help me along.

Found a used Springfield 1911 with a bunch of mods done to it. Bought it through private sale for $400. I thought it was a good deal, had a nice trigger, was clean and was told by others it was a good deal. I bought some ammo and went to the range. It was super accurate but the slide would lag when it came forward. Sometimes the slide would lock back or the hammer wouldn't reset. I brought it back to the gun show to get rid of it, and was offered $400 towards a trade for other dealers. Some people said it wasn't worth $150.

In the process of showing the gun around, I was told that all of the mods had been installed by an amateur, as they were not tight fitting and had filing marks which actually hurt the feeding capability.

Anyway, there were some $400 handguns I was eyeballing and could have gotten in a trade at no loss. In my frustration and reluctance to make further bad decisions I went into the mindset of getting out ASAP with something new. I rushed into the decision and ended up with a Smith and Wesson Sigma in .40.

So, in short, I ended up overpaying for a gun I don't want. I'm going to see what I can get for what I have now and just go for something that I really want.

I'm never going to those damn shows alone again.


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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 10:02am
If you want to get rid of it, I'll take it off your hands haha.  Springfield Armory 1911s tend to be pretty nice guns, way better than those Smith and Wesson abortions they call Sigmas, haha.  That said, proper maintenance will go a long way in making sure that your gun lasts a long long time.

Also, people at gun shows will consistently low-ball you, or just be general Fudds about everything.  For 400 dollars, if you look around a bit you can find some really nice pieces.  I found a CZ 75BD (the decocking model), and probably could have got it for around 450 out the door if I would have negotiated with the fellows.  One thing about being in Kentucky is that we are blessed with excellent gun laws, and pretty nice gun shows, including the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot, which is something that everyone should see.


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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 10:13am
Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

If you want to get rid of it, I'll take it off your hands haha.  Springfield Armory 1911s tend to be pretty nice guns, way better than those Smith and Wesson abortions they call Sigmas, haha.  That said, proper maintenance will go a long way in making sure that your gun lasts a long long time.

Also, people at gun shows will consistently low-ball you, or just be general Fudds about everything.  For 400 dollars, if you look around a bit you can find some really nice pieces.  I found a CZ 75BD (the decocking model), and probably could have got it for around 450 out the door if I would have negotiated with the fellows.  One thing about being in Kentucky is that we are blessed with excellent gun laws, and pretty nice gun shows, including the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot, which is something that everyone should see.

Had I kept my cool longer I would have stuck with the 1911. It's gone now. The Sigma is here, but hopefully I can get its retail value out of it.


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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 11:13am
tolgak I hope you're not using that modded target comp gun for personal protection.  You shoot someone with that thing you'll fry


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 12:04pm
Tolgak, it could have been worse. A $400 mistake is a whole lot better than $4,000

Chalk it up as a learning experience.


Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

tolgak I hope you're not using that modded target comp gun for personal protection.  You shoot someone with that thing you'll fry

How many times must I say it? I got rid of the 1911. What's wrong with a match gun for personal protection anyway?  I'd rather have a compact for carry once I get CCW anyway, but is there some legal ramification I don't know of with target guns?

I'm looking to somehow sell the Sigma and move to a P99 or Glock 17/19. I've fired the Glock and I like it. The P99 is super comfortable.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 1:20pm
There is nothing wrong with using a target pistol for self defence. Lethal force is lethal force. A decent lawyer would make it a positive - increased accuracy means less liability.

I was also going to say avoid the smaller pistols for range work, but the M&P9c is larger than the Glock 26 or such sized guns. It is only marginally smaller than the Glock 19. It is sort of a combination of both. The Glock 19 is the smallest "range gun" I'd say. The M&P 9C seems to be what I wanted when I bought a Glock 26. My G26 now has a rail on it and can carry a light.

As for 9x19mm .vs .40 .vs .45... There is nothing the .40 will do that a modern 9x19mm won't do, except shoot accurately out of a M&P.

Outside of 15m, closer to 25m the 9x19mm M&P's are printing all over the place. Mostly when you use the 147grain rounds. I don't know the cause, some have said it is to do with the slide unlocking a mite early, but I have no proof of that. Some aren't and some are really bad.

This problem is not around in the .40 and .45 versions of the M&P.

I do not know if it affects the 9mm Compacts.

KBK

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 1:48pm
So, can anyone tell me why Browning Hi-Powers (including clones) are so damned expensive right now?



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