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Posted By: DeTrevni
Subject: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 5:31am
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And y'all said it would never happen... http://www.tippmann.com/crossover.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.tippmann.com/crossover.aspx
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Ruska
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 5:36am
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Yeah it's pretty amazing actually, I'm really happy to see the flexvalve used for something like this. I did a search a few days ago and found a post where a guy called every single feature of this gun, and Reb replying right away saying it would never happen. Well here it is, and it looks pretty good. ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 5:39am
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The biggest qualm I'm seeing is potential pricing. ANSgear, as ill reputed as they may be, has them listed for $450. I know ANS has a tendency to overprice their presales, which are unreliable by themselves, but I expect it to be around that mark, to be honest. And at that price, it's getting up there with the Etha, Axe, and even Etek. A polymer framed Tippmann isn't going to cut it. I hope it's much cheaper... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 5:41am
| I wonder what the licensing fees to Kee are on this thing. That is, unless Tippmann picked up some very specific patents in the SP fire-sale. |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 6:25am
| Finally. |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 6:55am
| Waste of money for Tippmann. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 8:52am
I have to wonder which patents you are referring too . . . after all, I can't see anyone arguing that Tippmann didn't have the gas-through grip first with the SL 68. ------------- 
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tallen702 wrote:Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:00am
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Does it work in the cold... Most electric guns are useless as the batteries don't last enough for a day of playing in well below freezing temps. ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:07am
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Does an X7 Phenom work in the cold?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:21am
It's a FASOR spool-valve which puts it squarely in either Kee or DYE's IP domain. Add in the fact that it's a gas-thru WITH integrated reg and you land in the patent that SP was trying to push through (but I think got denied thanks to a few people in contact with the USPTO providing prior art). Regardless, it's a Low Pressure electronically controlled paintball gun, so you're paying royalties anyway. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:30am
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So, are they already paying royalties on the X7 Phenom?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:57am
Not sure. Is it a true electro? Or is it a sear tripper? |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 10:12am
| I'd imagine that if one where to flip the switch into mechanical mode, it woukd function without the need for batteries. Hence the reason the flex valve was invented. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 10:21am
*cough* Matrix and EMag *cough* While it never actually happened outside of the test-bed with the matrix, the E-Mag was a dual use valve just like this new marker. I'm not saying it's not going to be good or anything, just that the patent and IP situation in the PB world is that frikken stoopid. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 10:42am
I don't own one...
I considered getting one, but I've seen a few issues that scared me off from my guys that do own them at my field. Not sure if it was operator error or what, so I don't want to say something bad about them, as I really don't know from personal experience. But, we have guys with phenoms, and the mechanical x7s. It could be remote line stuff as well, as remote lines are horrible in the cold, unless you know what you are doing! I use one fine, but I keep it warm inside and air it up inside before I play so the o-rings have expanded and didn't get cold and brittle first.
I really don't want to have marker issues when I have 20+ friends out for one of my events and MY gun doesn't work...
The A-5 is so reliable, that I just use it, even in well below freezing temperatures. (it was around 26 degrees when we started on Saturday, weather person said the wind chill made it feel like 10 degrees).
Guys who bring high end guns over to play in the cold seem to have lots of problems, between the batteries dying on their hoppers really fast, to their guns not cycling properly, or weird board issues, which they blame on the cold.
I have no experience with those guns so I don't know for sure.
I do know for sure that spyders are WORTHLESS in the cold, and always leak, and have issues if it is below freezing. Not to mention, you CAN'T get them below 300fps, unless you cut their springs.
I think that the marker (especially the fact that you can use it as a mechanical) could really open up Tippmann to the "other" side of the sport. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:04am
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Yeah....they made a monkey out of me....and I'm glad they did. I was certain that they wouldn't throw their hat into the ring on this one. I accept the shame of being a dope.  ------------- ? |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:14am
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This is the "Stripped-Down Phenom" I have been waiting for. At first glance, It seems like a speedball inspired Phenom anyway. Maybe I am wrong. Now, I just wish I waited and didn't buy a Phenom, since this would suit my needs more.... So, Mods, Tippmann Employees, etc. Can I "test" one? Pretty Please? Edit: There is an OLD sticky saying "Tippmann will not: Release the cyclone for the 98, Sell the Hellhound, Make a Pistol, an Sl68III, and will never make a Speedball Gun"
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:17am
It's not exactly fantastic for their brand image continuity, but at least they are actually badging it as a Tippmann gun, as opposed to some of their other crossover and lower-end guns. Of course, that badging could end up being a really bad thing, if this gun ends up being a flop. |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:22am
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Looks good in the snow!
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:27am
Either way, it appears to be a nice marker and has some features that many woodsballers wanting an electro Tippmann, but not wanting all the clunky milsim add ons may gravitate towards. It's also nice that it has the ability to use HPA or CO2. I see that it is capped at 15bps. I'm sure someone will be coming out with an aftermarket board soon that will increase this. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:31am
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FE, my experience in the winter is pretty similar to what you've seen with the exception of a few markers. Spyders suuuuuckkk in the cold. It's due to the lack of expansion within their valve and shoddy plastic for their cup seals. With the CVX valve, there's lots of room for liquid to expand, and Tippmann makes their cup seals out of a slightly better grade of plastic, so you don't get that crappy down-the-barrel leak that you tend to get with Spyders and other stacked blow-backs. That was a major selling point for us up in NY when I worked retail/tech at a PB shop. As for electros, I've seen pretty poor performance out of markers when people use regular alkaline or NiCad batteries in them. I've always sprung for Lithium Ion when I play in the cold due to less volatility. Also, the tolerances are a lot tighter on the electro-pneumatics meaning that the slightest shrinking of o-rings means issues. Not to mention the fact that almost all of them require a grease-like lube rather than standard gun oil, meaning that the lubricants become much more sluggish more rapidly in colder climes. That said, I've never had an issue running an old ReLoaderB2 and Invert Mini in the cold. 'Cockers are notoriously sluggish on a cold, rainy day as well. |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:38am
| Those videos have the worst trigger walkers in the world. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:44am
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:58am
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I hope you can get it with a single trigger... Having to use two fingers to fire really hurts your ability to crawl up hills while holding your marker with only your two weak fingers! ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 12:10pm
^^^ I don't know about you, but I don't have no weak, sissy fingers!  On a serious note, as it is significantly lighter than its woodsball-specific cousins, this might not be an issue. Plus, you can always still fire it with a single finger like I do the trigger on my E-Cocker. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 12:11pm
Not all of us had the advantage of wrestling saber-tooth tigers when we were children to build up our hand/finger strength like you did Mack.... |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 12:20pm
The gun my be light, but once I fill it with paint, and mount my ZoomCam on it... It ain't light then!
Course, I could cut that long trigger short with my dremel... Lol. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: tgaffner
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 12:32pm
| I would totally have bought this instead, but I just spent all my money on my new C14 Pants. $140, good deal... |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 12:37pm
On a related note, did any of you catch the "New" Model 98 in the flip-top video? facepalm.jpg Seriously? I mean, of all the things to screw up, your own BEST SELLING MARKER OF ALL TIME shouldn't be one of them.... |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 1:46pm
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Oh, the one thing I do not like about this is I have one less reason to buy an E-Mag. Still, I'll probably own one eventually... -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 28 February 2012 at 7:35pm
Tallen, the new "98" looks nice.  Frankly, if they put the flex-valve in it and made it electro-capable with a built-in vert adapter, I'd consider buying one. While I'm positive I could get used to a vert feed, I liked the ergonomics of the P/C a whole lot. Everything just worked right, like, I could use a pull-through squeegie and not dump any paint when accessing the breach. I do however really like that Tippmann finally made another stripped-down marker with performance and lacking a bunch of built-in milsim crap. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 February 2012 at 7:07am
| I wonder if they'd let me trade my DMLCD'98 for one of those crossovers.... |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 29 February 2012 at 7:45pm
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I would like to buy a crossover. I will not spend $400+ $200 maybe. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 29 February 2012 at 8:11pm
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Posted By: CHiKUN_PiMP
Date Posted: 29 February 2012 at 9:47pm
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I bet they'll never start selling Hellhounds.... (and now we wait) oh, and for those that want a stripped down Phenom there's this: http://www.englercpb.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=82&products_id=3 (I've forgotten how to link things but I'm sure ya'll can figure it out) It costs the same as the Crossover's MSRP and looks to be about the same size and has a cyclone to boot EDIT: and you can convert your existing phenom for $100 ------------- Ignorance is bliss, why aint you smilin? |
Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:12am
a 98LCD you say? i want one, ide definatly ditch the standard reg on ther for an on/off though. just prefrence. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:17am
Yep, sure do say! Still need to mod the fore-grip for the battery and swap out the single trigger for a double, but as you can see, it works. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:29am
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How do you plan on tackling the double trigger issue? I have an Ebolt project and was trying to figure out how to put a double trigger on it. Did they make double triggers in the old mounting style? There is definitely a difference between the M98 trigger and the later 98C's. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 10:11am
Of course, you could always just mod a newer trigger to work with some epoxy putty if it came down to it. I use a magnetic return system (just a rare earth magnet and a set-screw) instead of the spring return. Other than that, it's an issue of pivot point and possibly tapping the trigger in the proper place to put in an adjustable screw to trigger the micro-switch. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 10:59am
This. and I agree with opbn too. I know my son will have a look at this and add it to his Bday wish list. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 4:08pm
I used a 98C trigger on my E-Bolted M98. I used a screw threaded into the back of the trigger to trip the microswitch. Worked fine, and accidentally gave it an adjustable trigger pull. :)
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 4:09pm
The flex valve isn't much like a mag at all actually. The only similarity at all is it has a regulator in the back and a blow-forward bolt. The actual internals are radically different. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 10:25pm
Going to stray off the topic a bit with a question that Tallen made me think of with this:
Does anyone else remember the Psycho Ballistics box that attached to the trigger guards of Model 98s and turned them into full auto markers back in the late '90s and early parts of the 2000s? For those who don't know what I'm talking about, the box held a battery, electric motor and various gears all designed to turn a cam that would trip the trigger on the original 98. It completely enclosed the trigger area and firing was done by pushing a button on the side of the box. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 10:44pm
| I've somehow never even heard of that.... Wow, that's ridiculous. I do remember shenk's awesome pneumatic projects though. |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 11:08pm
| I remember a box you had to crank. Not an electric one. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 11:09pm
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According to pbreview, Psycho Ballistics only made gas thru grips and ghetto E-Bolts for the 98. I miss the good old days of paintball. I saw the "Pro-Feed" that I almost bought for my 98. Glad I didnt. -------------
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Posted By: CHiKUN_PiMP
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 12:51am
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They made those goofy f/a kits for carbines and the like as well if I recall. If you watch eBay they'll still occasionally pop up. DeTrevni- Thanks for the awesome trigger idea- now I don't have to maim my Model 98's double trigger to get my single trigger back! whoooo! ------------- Ignorance is bliss, why aint you smilin? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 5:28am
IIRC, it was for the "pro" series models (pro-am, pro-lite, carbine, pro-carbine) though someone may have fitted one to a 98 at some point. But yes, I remember them. Little membrane switch you velcroed to the side of the marker. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 11:30am
Why good luck? In a few months kids will have bought them and then want a real electro so they'll be on craigslist or PBN. ------------- Que pasa?
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 9:38pm
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And this won't be a real electro how? ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 11:09pm
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^^^b/c it has "Tippmann" on the side /sarcasm edited addition: everything I've seen related to this makes it a real electro. Is it a high-end tourney gun?--no, but then most of the electros out there aren't either. I think with Tippmann reliability in a new package that it will find a larger target market than most of us suspect existed. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 7:38am
As I said, I'd trade for one/buy one. I don't play all that often anymore and would like a back-up to the Mini that doesn't weigh 20 tons like the DMLCD'98 I built. Honestly, the crossover reminds me a lot of the SLG in shape, design, and materials. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 9:30am
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Is there a reason everyone just assumes it will be "tippmann reliable?" Electros screw up, it happens. I imagine a large part of Tippmann's reputation for being reliable is at least partially due to having simple, mechanical markers. I'm not saying this new plastic thing won't be relatively simple, but once you slap electronics onto a gun, it's not going to be as durable/reliable as a mechanical marker.(Unless it's an ego )------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 10:20am
I think that's why there's the flip-a-switch-to-manual mode. Which is really frikken smart if you ask me. I can't tell you how many times I've been playing rec games where batteries have died, etc. and it's made me go from "OMG! I'm gonna rape these fools!" to "Awwwww *explitive* I'm effed." |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 10:47am
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:11pm
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I think it will be reliable enough. A large part of Tippmanns reliability was it being idiot proof in the sense that it was easy to fix when 10 year old Johnny disassembled it and lost pieces. I was impressed with the Phenom, so I doubt that this marker will be much different. I am a little surprised there isnt a Cyclone option. I know it is horribly unattractive on an airball field, but Tippmann loves the cyclone. -------------
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:47pm
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I would think having a cyclone option would have been tough with the CF. While I like the cyclone, in non-Tippmann circles it seems to have a pretty negative rep. I think having a Cyclone option would make it tough for some to take it seriously. I'm sure there will be people out there mounting Qloaders on it soon enough. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:50pm
Back on topic. Sorry. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 7:21pm
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