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Topic: Quarter Mil' Y'all!
Posted By: tallen702
Subject: Quarter Mil' Y'all!
Date Posted: 29 February 2012 at 8:04pm
Damn straight! That's what the bank gave me! Actually, I could have gotten more, but as it stands with our down payment money and what we'd like our payments to be each month, we're FHA approved to spend $250k with only 5% down at 4.5%APR. For those not in the know, that's pretty damned sweet given that I have a semi-crappy credit score. (you couldn't get a 4.5 unless you were Warren Buffet at one point) That said, while 250k will get you something really rather nice in places like NC, OH, WV, etc. It's not a whole lot around here. If you remember back before the market went to hell, Shorty paid something like 350k for a 1000sqft cape cod in Falls Church.

The good news for Erin and I is that we're looking further out, which means more for our money.

Still, it's great news for us since we're through with throwing our money away each month renting.



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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 29 February 2012 at 9:14pm
I definitely want to live in an area where a $200,000 house is darn good house. I can't believe the price tags they put on these houses up north. Just doesn't seem worth the price.


Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 12:04am
You can get a lot of land and a home in Kentucky that are nice.

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 7:24am
What are the property taxes on a 250k house there?


Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 8:11am
New car...new house...someone having an (early?) midlife crisis? Tongue

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:05am
Yeah, $250k will get you a pretty nice house here in NW Ohio. Then there's the weather and lack of anything to do.
 
Congrats. Owning a home is amazing and terrifying at the same time. When most people are buying a house, they forget to remember that things need to be fixed, replaced and/or maintained. Too many people stretch their budgets and end up married to their houses. Make sure you stay within budget and allow yourself enough comfort room to still be able to have a life. Having a nice house is awesome, but if you have to stay home every night and eat ramen noodles and hotdogs 7 days a week and only see movies at the $1 Cinema to afford it, it aint worth it.
 
With that said, I don't get how people up North or in high price areas do it. We moved from Florida just before things started to get ridiculous, but had friends in places like NY and Mass that would tell us about the outrageous prices people would pay for tiny little houses. We also watch "Trading Up" and some of the other shows on HGTV etc. where people are looking for houses and they are paying like $700k for some house that would sell for $60k here in Ohio. It's truly insane. I never understood how people could afford something like that.


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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:20am

it makes it sound like a lot of money.

not picking on you but this is what got the entire u.s economy up side down.



Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 10:52am
Kentucky is essentially a land owner's paradise.  Beautiful land, very few (but friendly) neighbors, excellent firearm laws, its my perfect state haha.

However, life in the countryside can be quite boring, where the land is cheapest.  My family paid around 100 thousand for our place, which was 110 acres, and there was already a house on the land, which we renovated.


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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 11:48am
Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

What are the property taxes on a 250k house there?


Depends on where you buy. Montgomery County, MD where we are looking is a bit weird. While they assess land and house and tax based on that, they're a little wonky with their assessments based on the locality. I'd pay between three and four thousand if I bought a house for that price IN Germantown, but if I buy in Boyds (right next door) it can be as low as 2500.

Originally posted by pntbl freak pntbl freak wrote:

New car...new house...someone having an (early?) midlife crisis? Tongue



Not at all. It's called "being an adult and having to buy things to live and get to work to be able to buy the things you need to live and get to work.


Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

We also watch "Trading Up" and some of the other shows on HGTV etc. where people are looking for houses and they are paying like $700k for some house that would sell for $60k here in Ohio. It's truly insane. I never understood how people could afford something like that.


It's pretty tough actually. There's a reason I'm 32 and just now getting a mortgage. Honestly, nowhere is the disparity between the "norm" for the US and the "elite" so readily visible than in centers of population. One of the issues around here is that DC has just grown so much so quickly that all the commutable areas have been developed. Shorty lives on .14 Acres in a 1000sqft cape-cod and paid $350k for it because it is inside the beltway where there isn't any more land to develop. Even now, Northern Virginia residents are out of land to build and are starting to butt up against national parks and battlefields. It's gotten so bad that Wal-Mart petitioned to actually build a super-center on the battlefield at Manassas. Employers, knowing the cost of living around here, pay more so that they can attract viable candidates. In turn, that means there's more money going around which jacks up the price even more. Add in the fact that there are tiny little lots with decrepit houses on them going for 200-500k depending on the area which people buy, tear down, and then build million dollar homes on, and you get the picture of why people can ask so much for so little.

Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

not picking on you but this is what got the entire u.s economy up side down.


No, actually it isn't. Banks and Brokers allowing "Liar's Loans" to go through (Mortgages without verifying employment or salary) in a mad dash to rack up commissions is what put us in this mess. Of course, that all springs from the deregulation of the banking industry during the Reagan era.

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

My family paid around 100 thousand for our place, which was 110 acres, and there was already a house on the land, which we renovated.


Yeah... cheapest lot I've found here is 86K for 1 Acre.


Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 11:51am
Make sure you get yourself a nice lawnmower., preferably ride on.

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 12:31pm
When I was graduating from college, I was offered a job in New York City... $70,000 a year back in 94, which sounded like a TON but, once I figured in the cost of living... It would have been like making $30,000 in Ohio...
 
It was between Texas, NYC, and Ohio, and I went to Ohio. We bought and sold houses for a decade, and built our dream house when I was 32. I learned a ton about buying and selling houses.
 
I can't imagine trying to buy real estate near DC. The prices are so far out there, that it isn't logical. If the government starts to shrink, you will see a drop in real estate prices there I would guess... As most of the property is owned by people who work for the government.
 
If I were in your shoes, I would look for a fixer upper. You can make mad money if you have the time to do the work yourself. (big if, obviously).
 
I bought from HUD, and relocation houses in my area, not sure if there are many of those in your area again, because the biggest employer there is the government, and government has been growing for years with DC being one of the highest income areas and highest real estate prices in the country.
 
 


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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 1:22pm
Congrats! Now comes the real fun.

House inspector-  Worth the weight in gold. Talk to your friends/fam obviously.
Water -  The biggest problem for any home, look for grading of the property, water stains in basement, evidence of repair in the basement.
Trees near the house, roots pushing against the foundation is never good. Maple trees are a big one here.
Driveways running alongside the house where a basement will be is something that's best to stray away from.
Carry one of those outlet checkers to see if the place is at least wired correctly. Check type or wire used, before inspection if not listed on the information page.

Hope your wife is rational and the kitchen and bathrooms are not the only thing that matter. "Who cares if the foundation is cracked and we have to go through the driveway to repair it,  have you seen the kitchen!" Is not something you wanna hear.
 
Anything that you can learn to check before blowing another $500+ for the inspection can only help.

Places around here can sell in a day easily if it's priced right. If it's the same for you, good luck. It gets stress full, get some bottles of the good stuff out.

Good luck!


Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 2:14pm
That's almost 4 times what I paid for my house.

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 3:41pm
You can get an incredibly nice home on quite a bit of acreage here in Texas for 250K.

My buddy just bought a 4 bed 2 bath fixer upper (not in bad shape at all, basically an unfinished new home) on 4 acres for 50K and sunk about 10K into finishing it.

Texas cost of living is why I stay here ;)

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I definitely want to live in an area where a $200,000 house is darn good house. I can't believe the price tags they put on these houses up north. Just doesn't seem worth the price.



I think there are 4 houses left in Vancouver that are less than $1 Million.


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You can get an incredibly nice home on quite a bit of acreage here in Texas for 250K.

My buddy just bought a 4 bed 2 bath fixer upper (not in bad shape at all, basically an unfinished new home) on 4 acres for 50K and sunk about 10K into finishing it.

Texas cost of living is why I stay here ;)


Holy crap, that's insane. I just picked up a flyer for apartments that came in the mail the other day. 1 Bedroom, 577 square feet. $385,500.


Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

You can get an incredibly nice home on quite a bit of acreage here in Texas for 250K.

My buddy just bought a 4 bed 2 bath fixer upper (not in bad shape at all, basically an unfinished new home) on 4 acres for 50K and sunk about 10K into finishing it.

Texas cost of living is why I stay here ;)


Holy crap, that's insane. I just picked up a flyer for apartments that came in the mail the other day. 1 Bedroom, 577 square feet. $385,500.


That's about what it'll run you in DC, in an area where you won't get shot just for coming outside that is.


Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 5:44pm
Ya, condos are super expensive in Chicago area too. My girlfriend lives there and I told her we are not living anywhere near Chicago area.


Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I definitely want to live in an area where a $200,000 house is darn good house. I can't believe the price tags they put on these houses up north. Just doesn't seem worth the price.



I think there are 4 houses left in Vancouver that are less than $1 Million.



Thats insane. I mean I heard that its expensive our there but thats extreme.


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 8:35pm
Yeah, we're the most expensive in the world now I think, more than NYC. Our cabs are also the most expensive because they wont issue new licenses, so a smallish group (comparitively) is servicing the whole city.

My 2 bedroom apartment is $1300 a month. (total, not each)


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Yeah, we're the most expensive in the world now I think, more than NYC. Our cabs are also the most expensive because they wont issue new licenses, so a smallish group (comparitively) is servicing the whole city.

My 2 bedroom apartment is $1300 a month. (total, not each)


Dude, I make like 2K a month which is really good for this area. No way I could afford 1300 a month for rent.

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Yeah, we're the most expensive in the world now I think, more than NYC. Our cabs are also the most expensive because they wont issue new licenses, so a smallish group (comparitively) is servicing the whole city.

My 2 bedroom apartment is $1300 a month. (total, not each)


Dude, I make like 2K a month which is really good for this area. No way I could afford 1300 a month for rent.


Yeah most of us have a hard time too, and will never own. Thankfully we have a good minimum wage ($10.25) which helps.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:25pm
Yeah that's a good minimum.

Part of my issue is that school limits my hours. I work 32 hours a weekend and get on call pay, so my 16 bucks an hour goes a long way. Otherwise, most jobs around here barely pay enough to make it. I can't imagine working minimum wage in this country (like 7 bucks?)

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:27pm
Yeah there are a lot of things about the US that make me wonder how it even has a shot at pretending to be the "best" country. A terrible minimum wage, and a system that totally screws serving staff out of the required minimum, and no universal healthcare. I can't imagine working for $5 an hour and trying to pay for....anything.

I had surgery last month and the most expensive part was the cab home after.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:54pm
I think that most humans develop a survival reaction that is content with its' environment. That contentment translates to a feeling of superiority.

My view of survival is limited to my own surroundings, but I clear double the minimum wage and can't afford a decent apartment plus a car payment and it infuriates me when people judge minimum wage workers as lazy or useless for living with their parents. If I made minimum wage in America, I'd certainly be living with my folks. Hell, I make double that and live with my sis.

I still love my country though...it's just not as easy to make it as many think. Especially with full time college.

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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 01 March 2012 at 10:11pm
I refinanced to 3.5% APR, but nowhere close to 250k. I think people always find a way to spend close to what they make. I moved out making $6.50 an hour and managed to survive. Now at 20+ an hour I still think I have the same amount of money in the account as I did back then.

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 5:35am
We pay 1625/mo in rent and utilities for 900sqft right now. That's considered cheap for 3br 1ba where we are. You just learn to adapt to where you are. In the same job I'm at now, but in a different area, I'd only be making 40k/year. Add in the fact that my wife should be earning 50-70k for the job she's doing (and will be shortly) and we'd be well over 120k/year gross. It's all relative. We wouldn't make that kind of money back where we come from, but the housing and everything else would be cheaper. I make nearly 20k more than the average American household does just by myself. The advantage to what we face here is that when we buy our house, and sock away a lot of that higher-end earning potential into our retirement accounts, we can sometime down the road, and make out like bandits. My company has contracts EVERYWHERE, so selling our 250k house in 3 years may net us a nice chunk of change to buy an even better house somewhere less expensive to live. Add in the fact that my company keeps my salary the same even if I move to a lower cost of living state, and we'll be living rather well in a few years or more.


Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 8:06am
What does the average American household make?

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 8:27am
Originally posted by pntbl freak pntbl freak wrote:

What does the average American household make?
 
 
BO or DO?


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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 8:29am
Originally posted by pntbl freak pntbl freak wrote:

What does the average American household make?
Household income figures actually split the income into two on the basis of there being two income earners in each household. That said, its right at $31,000 on the PPP index. If you look at the Mean income which is based on total income per household, it's $65,000. Either way, I'm either well over it, or right in line with it.

P.S. not trying to toot my own horn by any means, just trying to give some relevant figures to add weight to the costs of living in various areas. As FE said earlier, $70k in NYC actually works out to less than he got in OH when all is said and done. One of the issues both my wife and I have faced is that when presented with salary offers early in our careers that looked fantastic to us, they were actually lower than what we should have taken for the area. We both come from less-expensive areas of the nation, so my first salaried gig as a executive sous with BBRG looked fantastic to me at $45k, when really I should have asked for $60-$65 which is what the other sous wound up making.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 8:46am
Data on houshold income isn't available for the "During Obama" time period... Most people have taken a big hit, as they were making much more "Before Obama"...
 
Raising the minimum wage only increases the cost of living as all costs increase so your dollar buys less.
 
If you want more of something, you lower the costs. If you want less of something you increase the costs.
 
That is the problem liberal governments often forget, as they increase taxes to "raise" revenues, and the exact opposite result always occurs.
 


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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 8:47am
Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

  One of the issues both my wife and I have faced is that when presented with salary offers early in our careers that looked fantastic to us, they were actually lower than what we should have taken for the area. We both come from less-expensive areas of the nation, so my first salaried gig as a executive sous with BBRG looked fantastic to me at $45k, when really I should have asked for $60-$65 which is what the other sous wound up making.


This was one of the main bits of advice my father gave to me when I was looking for a job when I graduated last year.  One of my friends got a job offer in California and it turned out to be the same situation FE was in with New York.


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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 11:52am
Ugh... if I wasn't having a wedding, I could be buying a house right now.  


Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 4:18pm
I just moved in to a new apartment that is 520sq/ft and pay $895/mo in rent not including any utilities. I'm not ready to take advantage of my gov't loan capabilities just yet. problem is, in my area houses start in the low 500k. Granted I do not have to stay here, but WA has the highest wages in the U.S. and I am currently waiting to hear if a job opening will come up in a company I am interested in working for. 

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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 6:45pm
I make just over $70k per year, and just over $5k per month.  My rent for my 1000ish sq foot apartment is a little over 1800/month, with all utilities other than electric included.  

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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 7:44pm
Originally posted by Snipa69 Snipa69 wrote:

I just moved in to a new apartment that is 520sq/ft and pay $895/mo in rent not including any utilities. I'm not ready to take advantage of my gov't loan capabilities just yet. problem is, in my area houses start in the low 500k. Granted I do not have to stay here, but WA has the highest wages in the U.S. and I am currently waiting to hear if a job opening will come up in a company I am interested in working for. 
What did you end up deciding to do?

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 March 2012 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by Snipa69 Snipa69 wrote:

I just moved in to a new apartment that is 520sq/ft and pay $895/mo in rent not including any utilities. I'm not ready to take advantage of my gov't loan capabilities just yet. problem is, in my area houses start in the low 500k. Granted I do not have to stay here, but WA has the highest wages in the U.S. and I am currently waiting to hear if a job opening will come up in a company I am interested in working for. 
What did you end up deciding to do?


He's been working on that gold flakes and oil pipeline to your house.

Seriously though, I hear his new job involves a dirty rag, and old squeegee, and a bottle of watered-down Windex underneath and overpass....


Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 03 March 2012 at 2:59am
Actually Tallen, It's last weeks news paper rather than a dirty rag. Other than that, nailed it.

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 March 2012 at 8:50am
Originally posted by Snipa69 Snipa69 wrote:

Actually Tallen, It's last weeks news paper rather than a dirty rag. Other than that, nailed it.


You and Whale should get together, form a union. Between his sweet hobo beard and your old newspaper, the sky's the limit! Well.... not really the sky, but a nice extra large refrigerator box to call home.


Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 9:42am
Buy a house with a 3rd bedroom so you can take in any poor public servants if they happen to move that way Wink

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 10:18am
Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Buy a house with a 3rd bedroom so you can take in any poor public servants if they happen to move that way Wink


Quote The starting salary for police officers is $48,716 a year. After 18 months of service, most police officers can expect to earn a base salary of approximately $53,299 a year.


So, in a year and a half, you'll be making 53k/year plus benefits..... hmmm.... I guess I could rent out that extra room for $1k/mo.


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 7:25pm
So Tallen . . . you do realize you have to pay this back eventually, right?  Big smile

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

So Tallen . . . you do realize you have to pay this back eventually, right?  Big smile



Yep, anywhere from 2-3 times over the course of 30 years. They tell you to never look at this fact when getting your mortgage, but, well, I guess we all just bite the bullet. Thanks to the Vatican and Henry VIII for re-defining usury back in the day to mean "unreasonably high interest" rather than outright interest. No good hat wearing mo-fos.....


Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 09 March 2012 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Buy a house with a 3rd bedroom so you can take in any poor public servants if they happen to move that way Wink


Quote The starting salary for police officers is $48,716 a year. After 18 months of service, most police officers can expect to earn a base salary of approximately $53,299 a year.


So, in a year and a half, you'll be making 53k/year plus benefits..... hmmm.... I guess I could rent out that extra room for $1k/mo.


If you cook me dinner every night? I'll keep it in mind, haha. I sent Jimmy a message just a bit ago, I think MPD has a referral bonus, so I figured I'd ask him a few questions and maybe he'd be eligible for it.


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