Toyota 86 / Scion FR-S
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Topic: Toyota 86 / Scion FR-S
Posted By: stratoaxe
Subject: Toyota 86 / Scion FR-S
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 2:05am
Any of you guys seen one of these?
I generally ignore new car announcements, but I gotta admit this is a sekze new car-

Not bad for a Scion.
The 'Yota version is pretty similar. Looks like a 350Z and a Honda S2000 had a love child. Its not as fast as a Z, but I think it runs in the low 20K range and was designed by Subaru, so I could totally see it as a near little work car.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 6:45am
Manual is at $24,930 and auto is at ~$25,300.
200hp on premium gas (probably my least favorite part about this car)
~22 mpg city, ~30 mpg highway
I have been waiting on this car. It has the subaru flat 4 boxer engine, but I believe
the styling and body comes from toyota. The BRZ is the subaru
equivalent.
Here is the actual production version

BRZ concept

http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/" rel="nofollow - http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 7:38am
Wow, 3 manufacturers pushing the same car...I wonder if Lexus will do something with it?
200HP isnt great nowadays, but I'm sure other versions will see the light of day eventually. Besides, I'd just like to have it as a daily driver. It's supposed to be amazing out on the highway.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 9:21am
stratoaxe wrote:
Wow, 3 manufacturers pushing the same car...I wonder if Lexus will do something with it?
200HP isnt great nowadays, but I'm sure other versions will see the light of day eventually. Besides, I'd just like to have it as a daily driver. It's supposed to be amazing out on the highway. |
200BHP in a super light car is all you need. You have to remember, these things are TINY! Barely bigger than an MX5 Miata.
Also, I totally sat in the BRZ at the Washington Auto Show last month:
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 9:23am
It's going to be a driver's car. Handle really well with its well balanced front and rear with a really low center of gravity. So in turns, people will love it. It's not a fast car, but it is a boxer engine. They are begging to be turbo'd. The Greddy Scion FR-S will be hitting the Formula Drift series in the next couple of weeks with Ken Gushi. It is pushing over 800 in a different boxer 4 cylinder.
Oh and scion is only a US and Canada manufacturer so in the rest of the world, the FT 86 is under Toyota. I was hoping for the badge to say Toyota though.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 10:56am
Tallen702 wrote:
200BHP in a super light car is all you need. You have to remember, these things are TINY! Barely bigger than an MX5 Miata. |
Very true. That's what alot of people don't realize when they're looking at HP ratings.
Take my Mustang GT. It has the 315 horse 4.6, which looks incredibly weak compared to the Dodge and Chevy offerings. But when you figure in HP to weight ratio and suspension I can destroy a Challenger through a quarter and at least keep up with an SS through the first few gears. Of course top end I'll have trouble, and the SS generally just outclassed my year, but still a good driver can pull low 13's out of a 2010 and mid-high 12's out of the 2011.
Even crazier is that Americanmuscle.com is selling the coyote engine for 7K. That's an amazing deal for 413 HP out of the box.
But my Ford love aside, as Robo said, this thing is begging for turbos. 200 HP is fine for a daily driver, but just think about how much fun that car would be at around 280-300, and you wouldn't need a super amazing turbo / sc to get that. I think that car weighs right around 2700 pounds...that would be so much fun.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 10:59am
Double post...edit button sucks...
22-30 is kind of a disappointing gas mileage rating considering the weight.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 2:13pm
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A mix of premium gas and low mpg is really killing it. It's all due to the transmission. I wonder what it will be geared like. It probably has short gears to help with the low torque. I know some shops aren't looking forward to manufacturing a turbo for this car. High compression ratios make it harder for better turbo gains, but it is still possible. But that high compression is the only reason it gets 200 hp. I wish it was low compression with a bigger engine (2.5 liter) so that it would have a good amount of torque and be able to hold higher boost for more power. I do want this car, but if I can start making money soon, I'd grab one, swap the engine out for something like the EJ25 and boost it. But I'll leave that to dreaming for now. I really want to test drive one though.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 2:51pm
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As most of you know, I am an American-car loving, Import hating car enthusiast.
I think this car is going to sell quite well, considering its sporty looks and relatively cheap price. You get a lot of car for a fair price, even though I am obligated to say you can buy a Mustang for cheaper that will leave it in the dust  . The 20 somethings crowd is going to love these.
What I am probably going hate about them is I believe that this will be the next Honda Civic of the "ricer" culture, but it is definitely going to have more oomph than a 4dr economy car turned "sports car". I see a dozen or so grocery getters with fartcans every day, and I already see a bunch of new TC's thrown into the mix.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 4:19pm
SSOK wrote:
As most of you know, I am an American-car loving, Import hating car enthusiast.
I think this car is going to sell quite well, considering its sporty looks and relatively cheap price. You get a lot of car for a fair price, even though I am obligated to say you can buy a Mustang for cheaper that will leave it in the dust  . The 20 somethings crowd is going to love these.
What I am probably going hate about them is I believe that this will be the next Honda Civic of the "ricer" culture, but it is definitely going to have more oomph than a 4dr economy car turned "sports car". I see a dozen or so grocery getters with fartcans every day, and I already see a bunch of new TC's thrown into the mix. |
I doubt you'll see them riced as much as the old CRX/Prelude crowd did. As stated earlier, they're barely bigger than a MX5.

Comparing it to a Mustang is comparing apples to oranges. If you want to compare it to something, compare it to the Focus/Fiesta RS classes. We're talking tuned 4-banger in a compact space. It's made for driving, not going fast in a straight line. I'd put one of these things against a 'stang or other muscle car on any road track any day. The allure of the quarter mile has been dying in this country for some time now. The only thing keeping mustangs and camaros selling these days is the nostalgic boomer generation, girls, and to some extent, younger guys who have fallen into the mindset of the the boomer generation. Cadillac realized this and now uses the Nurbergring as their benchmark. Hyundai knows it, hence the Genesis. Subaru and Toyota know it, hence the BRZ, Mazda has known it for sometime, hence the speed3. The US has yet to put up a competitor worth looking at.
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 5:05pm
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That Scion is a sexy car if I say so myself.
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 6:09pm
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I think my next car will be purchased with luxury in mind. I am tired of hearing a ton of road noise and feeling every bump in the road.
My tC has been paid off for a while. It is nice banking away the car payment every month.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 6:39pm
God wrote:
I think my next car will be purchased with luxury in mind. I am tired of hearing a ton of road noise and feeling every bump in the road.
My tC has been paid off for a while. It is nice banking away the car payment every month. |
Excuse me, I'd just like to ask a question. What does God need with a car?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 7:25pm
I thought you drove a cloud?
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 8:06pm
Tallen wrote:
The allure of the quarter mile has been dying in this country for some time now. The only thing keeping mustangs and camaros selling these days is the nostalgic boomer generation, girls, and to some extent, younger guys who have fallen into the mindset of the the boomer generation. |
I'd have to heartily disagree with this statement. Now bear in mind my lusts in life are a Porsche, a 370Z, or a CTS V. So I'm really not the Mustang snob I come off as..it just so happens to be the most fun I can afford in my price bracket. That said, I'd say the 2010+ Muskrats would surprise you on a road test. The track pack equipped models (such as mine) really blew away most magazines as far as cornering goes. They're not going to compete with Z cars or such, but for what they are they're fantastic handlers. Far better so than the Challenger and Camaro in road tests. As far as the quarter mile thing, it's important to differentiate muscle cars from pony cars. Really and honestly I can't think of a single modern muscle car aside from the SRT-8 Challenger. Muscle cars were big, heavy boats with high power big blocks that shot them through quarter mile strips...think the Road Runner, GTO, GTX, 4-4-2, etc. This started and ended with the 60's muscle car era...but the Mustang, Camaro, Firebird, Cougar, and Challenger came along and invented the pony car and trans am racing. Those cars were traditionally built for a combination of light weight handling and decent horsepower. Truth be told there weren't many heavy quarter mile hitting pony cars. Mustangs in the 60's were pretty absymal, and most of the cars that broke into the 12 second class were Road Runners and special order engines. The muscle car era was all about cubic inches. Every car nowadays has a certain expectation of handling to it (except the Challenger...but that car really does fall into the "baby boomer throwback class"), but they also excel in the quarter. As far as popularity, I really don't see quarter mile racing as popular. I think the shift to cars that measure their life blood by 0-60 / quarter mile really comes down to practicality, at least where I come from. The days where you could open up on the highway and really scream around here are over...it's too congested and the legal penalties are crazy stiff (in Texas I believe competition of speed involves a revokation of your license). So practically people just want a car that they can jam it from a rolling stop and tinker around with on back roads. I don't have many friends who build performance cars that have actually ever tested them on a quarter mile track, they just like the rush of extreme acceleration. Not to say that road racing wouldn't be amazing fun...I'd love to get involved. But the price of entry to get a road ready car and hook up with a local club is pretty hefty unless you've just got the cash to do so. My sister's Corvette club has a track they use to tinker with their toys, plus a couple of airstrips, but it's crazy expensive.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 9:46pm
Funny this came up, im saving for the FT-86 (GT-86 from what iv heard) right now. When they are available for order im getting a white one with whatever manual gear box they come out with. Iv been watching this since they unveiled it, and hearing that they are basing it on the AE-86 weight distribution and the low power, tight handling was appealing to me. I cant wait to get behind the wheel and see what they can do.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 10:22pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
I thought you drove a cloud? |
Someone missed my witty quote reference....
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 10:31pm
ammolord wrote:
Funny this came up, im saving for the FT-86 (GT-86 from what iv heard) right now.. |
Unless you import one, you are stuck with a Scion FR-S. The states will never get a toyota badged ft-86.
Oh and they had a first 86 program for whoever won the raffle. You are not obligated to buy the car, but being selected in the raffle, the 86 people got this email, "Congratulations! As one of the First 86 you’ve been invited to attend a
special 4 day and 3 night trip to Southern California from April 5,
2012 – April 8, 2012. All expenses will be paid including
accommodations and travel.
Join us for an exclusive tour of Toyota Motor Sports National
Headquarters, a special dinner hosted by Scion featuring guest speaker
Jack Hollis, Vice President of Scion, and a front row seat to Formula
Drift Round 1: Streets of Long Beach and the debut of the GReddy Racing
Scion FR-S drift car. More information is attached."
I should have entered the raffle just for that. I know I can't buy the car anytime soon so I didn't enter it, but it seems like it wasn't that rare to win the raffle. A couple of people on one of my forums claim to have won.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 22 March 2012 at 10:34pm
tallen702 wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
I thought you drove a cloud? |
Someone missed my witty quote reference.... | Maybe. 
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 8:35pm
RoboCop wrote:
ammolord wrote:
Funny this came up, im saving for the FT-86 (GT-86 from what iv heard) right now.. |
Unless you import one, you are stuck with a Scion FR-S. The states will never get a toyota badged ft-86.
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This is true, but I can always re-badge it. No matter what the name is, i'm still stoked about this car (more than I think I've ever been about a car).
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 9:09pm
Is the Subaru version AWD?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 9:21pm
GroupB wrote:
Is the Subaru version AWD? | nope
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 9:53pm
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That seems lame.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 23 March 2012 at 10:31pm
I am on my iPod, so bear in mind there are going to be a lot of typos.
Tallen, I wasn't seriously comparing a Mustang to this other than the fact that I would take a Stang over any Japanese car (especially wrong wheel drive). Although I will say you are a bit biased (as am I, so who really cares), I think you might be pleasantly surprised if you tested a new 2011+ V6. As for the United States not offering something that performs well on a road course... Boss 302
I still believe that the average enthusiast will never push their car to "road course" level, unless they are trying to get killed. I forget who it was, but someone on here got cranky with me when I said red light burn outs were more fun.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 8:29pm
I hate rice burners, but I have made my car unique and representative of me. I do basically all the work myself. My car is track/autocross ready. I was actually planning to autocross it, but I have been waiting on the school autocross team to get another event together. Mine also has suspension built by a very respected race team that decided to give their performance pieces to the public in limited quantities. Let's just say it runs on rails. Almost zero body roll, and if you want it, lots of over-steer. It also sucks to daily drive because it is ridiculously stiff.

Atleast I keep the stickers off. That being said, I would love to have RWD. It would be much more fun with much more potential.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 8:41pm
Robo, nice car. I like that you ahve kept it clean. However
but I have made my car unique and representative of me |
You may have watched one too many Scion commercials.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 9:26pm
it's the good thing about having a scion, so many things you can do to make it your own. Atleast it's not like all the mustangs I see on the road that all look exactly the same
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 9:27pm
That is a gorgeous car Robo. I like the TC's.
I'll put up a pic of my new wheels here in a bit. Whenever I get my new bumper I'll get back to fixing it up more personal like.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 9:49pm

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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 9:55pm
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Sorry to possibly come off rude, but why is that wheel is basically the only rim that people put on the stang? Is it because it is some iconic thing?
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 10:38pm
Haha no rudeness.
It's actually not just the stangs, those are American Racing Torq Thrust M's. Essentially they're the go to wheel for classic cars and trucks, and the new Mustang is too retro to do anything too modern.
If you look around for wheels you're gonna find that you get a choice between ghetto dubs or ricer rims. Choices are limited.
Plus, the 2000 Bullitt used them and it just became kind of a tradition. Believe it or not I'm the only person I know that has done them on the 2010+ body style, and mine are deep dish which are kind of uncommon.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 24 March 2012 at 11:11pm
I've seen the black on chrome version of those an awful lot. Personally, I am a fan of the style that's on the Shelby GT500
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 12:56am
I actually dislike the Shelby wheels because they look far too much like the 90's Corvette wheels for my taste.
Mustang wheels are really tough to make work. I don't like the new 19" wheels either, and I hated my factory wheels. The only other wheel I considered was the American Racing Nova series which look like the 2003 (?) Mach 1 wheels. I may end up swapping for them later on.
What really makes me sick is that Shelby came out with the CS70 right after I bought those and I really like them-

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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 1:32pm
Not bad robo, what wheels are those?
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 2:24pm
Five Axis R6:F %20" rel="nofollow - http://www.fivead.net/wheels/r6-f-1.html
Not super high quality or expensive, but atleast they aren't knock offs. They used a set of these for the Scion iQ concept with a lot of concave to them. They look really good with a lot of concave. Too bed they don't sell them in a really good offset.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 3:15pm
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A lot of people run Torq Thrusts because they look like the oldschool Cragar wheels. A good number of highschool parking lots in the 80's had a few sets of these:
My car runs a set of these OE wheels, not my pic. Each of the Big Three had a set like these, these have aftermarket Mustang center caps (my wheels are Chrysler)
And I think that these are the best looking Mustang wheels, IMO.
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 4:22pm
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Wow, I love those new shelby ones. Sadly, rims like that need larger rotors/calipers. Im not a fan of having all that open-ness.
After I graduate, I hope to get a Pontiac Solstice GXP, a newer Pontiac GTO or possibly a Ford Lightning. I would really need to test drive each.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 6:12pm
Mean, of all of those I'd go with the 2001 Lightning if you can find one. They were fast, rare, and pretty striking.
Otherwise, the GTO would provide a good starting platform for a performance build.
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 7:26pm
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Yeah, I really want something thats not super popular, although I do love Mustangs. I wouldnt mind finding a Roush or something like that.
My dad's friend bought a Lightning to tow his Mustang to the track.... turns out the Lightning ended up being faster than the Mustang.
But I have to say, something the size of a Solstice with (I think) 260 HP and rear wheel drive.... That has to be fun to drive. Plus, it has a very unique look.
And, the good part is they are all relatively similar in price. Mid to upper teens depending on miles and options.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 7:28pm
Back in my day, real men rocked these on their vehicles.

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 9:41pm
Lies Mack, those wheels are way too new.
Mean-Another interesting choice if you're looking in that range and want something scarce-ish would be an Evo IX. I love them.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 9:56pm
Don't lie Mack. We all know you cruised to high school every day in one of these.

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 10:53pm
Mack wrote:
Back in my day, real men rocked these on their vehicles.

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Yeah right Mack, we all know the wheel hadn't even been invented yet. We all know you actually rocked one of these:
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 25 March 2012 at 11:02pm
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 26 March 2012 at 12:21am
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 12:01pm
^^^ Okay, I LOLed . . . hard.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 2:14pm
SSOK wrote:
A lot of people run Torq Thrusts because they look like the oldschool Cragar wheels. A good number of highschool parking lots in the 80's had a few sets of these:
| Yup. I had a set of these on my 69 firebird. Wide as heck in the back and small in the front. Had to use air shocks to keep the fenders from rubbing on the tires. LOL.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 3:19pm
There are a lot of people from your generation that say "I had a set of airshocks on my ________." My dad broke the shock mounts on his '70 Chevelle with airshocks.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 3:54pm
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Cragars...
Here was my driveway in 88.
2-78 Camaros and a low rider.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 4:14pm
SSOK wrote:
There are a lot of people from your generation that say "I had a set of airshocks on my ________." My dad broke the shock mounts on his '70 Chevelle with airshocks. | Had one collapse once while doing donuts in the Publix parking lot. Didnt end well.
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Posted By: GroupB
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 4:42pm
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FE, that is delightfully white trash 
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 6:14pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
SSOK wrote:
There are a lot of people from your generation that say "I had a set of airshocks on my ________." My dad broke the shock mounts on his '70 Chevelle with airshocks. | Had one collapse once while doing donuts in the Publix parking lot. Didnt end well. |
Flip?
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 27 March 2012 at 8:03pm
SSOK wrote:
oldpbnoob wrote:
SSOK wrote:
There are a lot of people from your generation that say "I had a set of airshocks on my ________." My dad broke the shock mounts on his '70 Chevelle with airshocks. | Had one collapse once while doing donuts in the Publix parking lot. Didnt end well. |
Flip? | Fender fell on the tire. Didnt do well for either the fender or tire.
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 28 March 2012 at 2:06am
My dad still has his 78 z28 in his garage. It hasn't been driven in years. I want him to get a job again (he's been laid off 3 years now) so he can save up money to restore it once he properly retires. Otherwise I'll have to do it for him. He still loves that car.
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Posted By: DaveEllis
Date Posted: 28 March 2012 at 8:42am
oldpbnoob wrote:
Wide as heck in the back and small in the front. |
Don't you talk about her like that.
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Posted By: ammolord
Date Posted: 28 March 2012 at 7:06pm
mbro wrote:
My dad still has his 78 z28 in his garage. It hasn't been driven in years. I want him to get a job again (he's been laid off 3 years now) so he can save up money to restore it once he properly retires. Otherwise I'll have to do it for him. He still loves that car. |
Sounds like mine, my dad passed it down to me when I turned 18 (after I had painted it for him), now its just sat due to another car im building ('81 Celica GT). I really hope to get a new set of floor pans and interior soonish so that I can get her back on the road.
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 29 March 2012 at 8:19am
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I miss my Z-28... My wife has been wearing it on her ring finger since we got engaged...
I did a ton of work on that car. Huge cam, dual holly 650's high rise intake, (air cleaner stuck out the hood lol. ) Turbo 400 tranny with shift kit, stall converters. You couldn't take off without burning rubber. It got about 4 mpg. Hence the need for the yellow 78. I drove that when I was just goofing off, as it had a regular holly 350 carb and got about 17 mpg.
The lowrider was my real toy though, I'll never forget my parents faces when they walked out to the driveway and I was cutting the top off with a saw... Lol.
First convertible lowrider in NC... We had a blast in that truck. Course it was so low that I couldn't drive over a can on its side without hitting it... I won a bunch of car stereo competitions with that thing. Rockford pro 15's built into the bed with a walk through to the cab, I had a TV and VCR in it (For all you young pups, VCRs are like DVD's except you have to fast forward on tape to get to the good parts...) Bass hit so hard it would flip quarters off the roof. I could pull up to a light and shake the mirrors of the cars AROUND me. lol. Loved that thing. It was really obnoxious, but we took it to freestyle contests all over the country.
Here it is after I hit a bear in PA and repainted it in my driveway.
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