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Topic: shooting question
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Subject: shooting question
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 7:00pm
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with all the resident shooters here I figured this was a good a place as any. I am left eye dominant (as i've come to learn) however, I shoot with my right hand/eye...I noticed this when shooting pistol which isn't as big of a deal. For rifle however, any suggestions other than shooting lefty? For smaller calibers its not an issue for kickback but it is for larger (7.62 nato). Also, I am righty and handling my M4 with everything else on my kit is easier to function shooting with my right hand. ideas/suggestions besides just switch to lefty shooting? |
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 7:28pm
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Eye patch. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 8:40pm
Only authorized if you can do a good pirate impersonation. I actually discovered that I am left eye dominant a few months ago. As I shot expert throughout my career with both the M16 and M4 (shooting right-handed/eyed) I guess it never was an issue. If you aren't having problems, don't worry about it. If you are having problems, I have no rifle-related suggestions but I know people who shoot pistols with right hand and left eye and it seems to work for them. ------------- 
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Ceesman762 wrote:Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 11:38pm
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I'm sometimes an archery coach, but the same concepts apply, Typically, if you can shoot with both eyes open, it's ideal. This is tough for many people, but generally, people who can do this make better all-around shots. If you need to learn to shoot weak-side when you aren't used to it, you really need to start out remedial, spend a lot of time snapping in, pay attention to your position; natural point of aim, sight alignment, breath control, slow/steady squeeze until you're surprised, and follow through. It's going to take you some time to get the muscle memory, and really, you have nothing to lose by trying in terms of wasted money on ammo. You can do an eye patch or block your safety glasses if you need to. With irons, a good trick is to make a small hole in a sticker and plant it on your eyepro in line with your pupil in the position you're shooting from. It helps you focus and gives a more clear sight picture. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 12:16am
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Back in the 'old' days we were taught to shoot rifles with both eyes open, you just sight with the dominant eye and spot with the other, both eyes open gives you more chance to spot movement through perifial vision. Sense shooting it is called, start at 100m, then out to 200 etc. With practice you will develope the skill. Same with pistols, I hold center or shoulder aligned with both eyes open. I am left eye dominant, so my 'natural' position is left handed, I am right handed on most other abilities. I have developed the ability to be ambidextrious over time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 1:43am
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Use a red dot optic. They work pretty well regardless of which eye you use ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 10:10pm
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Shooting with an eye closed is incomprenehsible to me. It's all about having the peripherals open for situational awareness- be it tactical, or safety. As for the dominance issue? My mom dealt with that when she joined the army, and she said she simply learned to shoot left- she could adapt her stance more readily than her eyes, and using the dominant eye was simply something that can't otherwise be accommodated for. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 10:22pm
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 10:28pm
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She did indeed. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 9:13am
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eye patch was the norm with eye dominance issues. Many shooters who wear shooting glasses will take scotch tape and cover the dominant eye lens. It allows you to keep your eye open and strengthen your weaker eye.
------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 10:23am
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To be honest I've never tried shooting with both eyes open. Granted, I've never been in a situation where I need peripheral knowledge. On the range, if anything I think that it cuts down on distraction by closing one eye. Plus, focusing on a scope reticle with two eyes open....I've never tried it. I'm not sure I could do it. I think I'll go test this theory right now. ------------- ? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 12:15pm
| Always shoot w/ both eyes open, especially when scoped. Allows quicker acquisition-to-fire times. What taught me how to shoot like that was the arcade version of " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Scope" rel="nofollow - Silent Scope ." Guys who relied on just looking through the scope never did well, guys who lifted their heads from the scope to acquire using the screen were too slow. Only way to play was both eyes open all the time. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 12:48pm
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Are you meant to focus on the reticule? I always thought you were meant to focus on the TARGET and the reticule should be visible as well, adjust to your eyes requirement. I still don't know how to shoot a pistol. People always say "front sight - press!" but I can't figure out where I'm shooting the target if I do that. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 2:07pm
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Interesting hearing so many people have this issue. I am right handed, but had lazy eye as a kid and am pretty left eye dominant. When shooting I used to find myself trying to site right handed with my left eye which was uber awkward. To use my right eye, I have to close my left as it is impossilbe for me to site using my right eye with both eyes open. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 2:16pm
Actually, I've got a shot tip card that has the following steps: Body Alignment - Natural Point of Aim Firm Handshake Grip Firm in Shoulder Eye Relief - Spot Weld No Shadow Stare at Crosshairs - Target is a Blur Slow Steady Pressure on Trigger to Rear Normal Respiratory Pause Follow Through Where I got that- is an interesting story. My father in law had a guy come to the range where he works who carried that came card. The visitor was a relation (Nephew if I remember correctly) to a Marine Corps Sniper and those were the steps he used to teach this guy how to shoot. The guy let the cops at the range all make copies of it and my father in law did the same for me. I guess it all boils down to what works for the individual shooter. I don't snap shoot, I don't need to worry about multiple target acquisition, so the one eye closed works well for me. As for where I focus on any given shot, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that I've done both. Crosshairs and target. I have had a fair amount of success in hitting what I aim at when I'm behind the trigger. What's strange, as as I'm sitting here at the computer, I can't REALLY tell you what I do. I know it's mechanical when I'm target shooting, and it works. I have 0 experience with pistols yet. Yeah, I've fired a few rounds here and there, but not enough to have set a procedure or adapted any kind of style. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 2:56pm
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That's the embarrassing thing. I shoot pistols almost every weekend. I'm just better with a rifle and shotgun. I'm barely average with a pistol. I mean after 10 years I managed to get promoted from Novice to Marksman in IDPA. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 3:06pm
Pistol is tough. Especially if you're shooting multiple calibers and multiple styles. For me, bone stock 1911 A-1 was the way to go. Tack driver extraordinaire with one of those in my hands. I'm pretty decent with a Mak, get most of them in the 10 ring on a silhouette target at maximum legal defense distance (21') and actually do pretty well out to about 50 yards. Put a wheel gun in my hand, a "nice" modern pistol, or a luger, and I can't hit the broad side of the barn from the inside. Shotgun is too damned easy after years and years of paintball, principles are the same. Eyes open, point and shoot, lead your target. Rifles are generally far more accurate than the shooter ever will be, but the quirks of different systems cause different variations, but not nearly as wide ranging as pistols. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 4:12pm
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I am pretty good with pistols, but I realize if I am using a pistol I have done something wrong for the past 800+meters. M-1911 I am a 2in grouping at 15m with the M-9 maybe 30m. Back a long time ago, at the MTU (marksman training unit) the instructor watched you, if you closed the non aiming eye during sighting you got a whack on the helmet, and a -1. Needed a +8 out of 10 to qualify in hold factors. Understand the 8 steady hold factors go all to hell when you are shooting 'pop up shoot backs'. You ain't got that sort of time before you are 'noticed' and undue attention is sent your way. I do have a 870 H&R clone with a slug barrel on it, 12 guage handloaded BB shot rounds, love the ring of 'steel' on target. -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 5:08pm
Again, not something I've ever had to worry about. recreational shooting affords me the time to aim and squeeze just as I please. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 5:32pm
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Fighting with a gun =/= shooting. You need to be able to shoot to fight effectively with a gun though. I can keep pretty good minute of badguy out to about 50m with either my Glock or my 1911 or the Z-88 when I carried it, the thing is I'll have a "group" that's more like a shotgun's pattern at 7m, and I'll have a similar collection of holes at 50m. They'll open up a bit, of course, but it'll go from a side plate sized collection to a dinner plate. I'm also not able to make a headshot at, say, 25m on demand. If I try do the focus on the front sight -follow-the-basics I sure as heck can't see the target. One eye open or two. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 9:43am
No truer words spoken. One must master the basics first before learning the rest. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 11:33am
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 12:49pm
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Mbro, I have the same issue. I can watch 3d movies, but don't feel I am seeing it as well as other people. It's just my feeling though as I have no way of quantifying "how much" 3d I am seeing. I did find that when my close vision started to go and I had to get glasses I have very bad depth perception with my glasses on. I used to do 1/24 scale models as a hobby and that would be near impossible now. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |