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Topic: I hate Mayor Mike....
Posted By: Ceesman762
Subject: I hate Mayor Mike....
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 10:47am
Seriously?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/supersize_smack_TebHeJsmQxoOjqawvfuXRL" rel="nofollow - http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/supersize_smack_TebHeJsmQxoOjqawvfuXRL



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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 11:04am
Yeah, enjoy the copious amounts of extra trash this will produce!


Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 11:21am
...Are you kidding me? What the hell, are We the People not allowed to make ANY choices for ourselves anymore?! This infuriates me more than I can possibly emote through the web. If somebody wants a 64oz soda it should be their choice! Who are you to tell me what I can and can't put in my own body as long as it doesn't effect anybody else. I know there are obviously plenty of laws saying what big brother thinks is good for me and what isn't but this is just too far.

I agree with the comments on the page. We can't let this happen. If this law is enacted, it will be the beginning of the end of everything I love about my country.

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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 11:46am
it's about money, not the health of citizens. Think of it this way. McDonalds charges $1.00 for a small where as a large drink and fry added onto your meal is just $1.00 extra. OR you can get a small drink for $1.00, or you can get a large drink for just $1.50 and it is twice the volumn of the small, so it should be $2.00. However, people recognize, or rather correlate the thought of them getting more for less, so they get the large. 
 
 
It's not the size of the drink he/they care about, it's the fact he/they want The People to pay more for less.
 
The good think is that Monsters at exactly 16oz. So all of us energy drink addicts are safe...Ermm


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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 11:49am
He is trying to argue the fact that the container itself is what makes us fat rather than the contents in the drink itself which is just plain ignorant.
 
 
It's like me petitioning for the banning of spoons because they made me fat.


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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 11:50am
Wow. This is about as misquided as making school lunches ultra low carb/low cal. I can't beleive something like this is even able to get passed.

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 12:57pm
What gets me, is that you'll still be able to get a triple venti caramel latte from starbucks (which will run you 370 calories) but you can't get a 20oz coke (which is only 240 calories)

So in short, Bloomberg is an ass.


Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 1:18pm
Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

So in short, Bloomberg is an ass.

This.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 1:33pm
Slightly off topic I've always thought the large drinks too damn big.

I don't recall it being different overseas, but a large gets you a large drink. I want a medium. A super size gets you a bloody super tanker load of cooldrink. I want a medium.

Try get a company to give you a burger, extra large fries and a medium drink. Even if you say you'll pay for the super size, but just pour a medium.

Gets my goat.

KBK

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 1:51pm
I'll take 4 16 oz. cokes please.

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

So in short, Bloomberg is an ass.

This.


What bugs the balls off me as an upstater is how much pull this jerk has with this policies over the rest of the state. If NYC does something, Albany's not far behind. So as soon as he starts with full-blown retardation, you can bet the beer money right now that the rest of the state is going to feel the ripples.




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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Ace_Of_Spades Ace_Of_Spades wrote:


 

 

It's like me petitioning for the banning of spoons because they made me fat.


You would have to ban the table spoons. Teaspoons are safe because they wont allow as much contents to fit in them.


From what I heard (Didn't read the law or article yet). It was poorly written and would even cover stores trying to sell 20oz bottles. It would be unenforceable because every store and restaurant in NYC would have to change the size of their drinks. (I think a standard cup you get at a restaurant is 20oz)

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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 3:29pm
This is just dumb. I understand the desire for regulation, but this is the stupidest implementation you could ask for.


Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 9:08pm
the funny thing is a lot of fast food places these days do free refills...so...yeah.


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 11:15pm
Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

the funny thing is a lot of fast food places these days do free refills...so...yeah.


Great point. Further proves the idiocy of this idea.


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 01 June 2012 at 12:33am
Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

What gets me, is that you'll still be able to get a triple venti caramel latte from starbucks (which will run you 370 calories) but you can't get a 20oz coke (which is only 240 calories)

So in short, Bloomberg is an ass.


Sweetened coffee is capped also.

I think this law is great. We need to combat obesity and diabetes.

Only government intervention will work.


Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 01 June 2012 at 6:50am
So when do they start selling you guys TVs that only work two hours a day?

Gotta protect your eyes for you.

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 1:51pm
The start of "Bring your Own Big Gulp cup"?

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 1:59pm

Local news covered this oddly enough over the weekend. I have to admit I was shocked that they were able to do it with a straight face. Honestly, it almost seemed like they thought it was a good idea. One of the closing comments on the story was the statement that "if this law passes, many more states will likely follow suit." Really? I can't believe there isn't more uproar about this. Have we really just given up? I don't even drink soda for the most part, but instead choose unsweetened iced tea and I typically grab the largest sized cup they have. Will I now only get to grab a 20oz cup? Seems silly to me.



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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 2:11pm
Well, when parents can't take care of their children, the state steps in and takes the children away.  There are way too many fat kids for the state to handle, so they have to deal with bad parents in ways like this.  I see where they are coming from, but I think it would make more sense for them to ban the large drinks for kids, rather than everyone.  

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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

Well, when parents can't take care of their children, the state steps in and takes the children away.  There are way too many fat kids for the state to handle, so they have to deal with bad parents in ways like this.  I see where they are coming from, but I think it would make more sense for them to ban the large drinks for kids, rather than everyone.  

It is not just kids they are targeting with this law, adults as well. 


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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

Well, when parents can't take care of their children, the state steps in and takes the children away.  There are way too many fat kids for the state to handle, so they have to deal with bad parents in ways like this.  I see where they are coming from, but I think it would make more sense for them to ban the large drinks for kids, rather than everyone.  


I'm going to go ahead and facepalm this.




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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

Well, when parents can't take care of their children, the state steps in and takes the children away.  There are way too many fat kids for the state to handle, so they have to deal with bad parents in ways like this.  I see where they are coming from, but I think it would make more sense for them to ban the large drinks for kids, rather than everyone.  

It is not just kids they are targeting with this law, adults as well. 

Yeah roger.  I suppose I should elaborate.  I'm cool with them banning it for kids.  Adults is a bit too far.  


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Posted By: Ace_Of_Spades
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 2:45pm

The idiotic part of the whole thing is that the fat people will just order two instead of one... Moreover it won't stop the people who dine in to get refills.

 
It's VERY poorly thought out.


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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 3:52pm
Ok obesity is a problem almost anywhere in the developed world. Now the argument in the UK for these kind of ideas is that it costs our NHS billions to treat the huskier gentlemen.  I'm not sure how it works in the US but I would imagine that if the majority of healthcare is paid for privately, which is my baseless assumption. Then where does the state figure they have to stick their oar in?

I say this as a UK resident and we have been facing all this kind of thing for a while and it is always difficult to argue against it when the public money is being used for the healthcare system. Supersize meals at Mcdonalds are a thing of the past, and a deck of smokes has doubled in price in the last 5 years. Any promotional deals on alcohol are now banned in Scotland and they've just passed a bill for minimum pricing on alcohol to IIRC 50p/unit.

It's a bit weird because they only seem to attack the big chains, your local chippy will still deep fry anything they can get their hands on without any issues and other takeaways use the cheapest crap ingredients to make things that would still eventually kill you even if they used better/healthier ingredients but Mcdonalds and KFC still seem to have this awful stigma for being bad for you.


Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 3:53pm
This is what liberals do... They tell YOU how to live, while Bloomberg who is a big wine drinker, doesn't change the rules on HIMSELF and his wine... I bet he hasn't drank a pop in years. 

Even though his wine has the same amount of sugar. 



Did you hear that in NJ they are now going to give you a $1,000 ticket if your dog/cat isn't seatbelted in your car...

Freedom, 

ehh.




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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 1:15am
The thing is people have proved they aren't responsible enough to NOT do it.

Over 25% of the States would benefit from imposed eating laws. Over $150 Billion in heath care for fat asses would be saved.....

KBK

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 1:12pm
I'd be fine with the government taking an active role in regulating the weight of its people. I'd get a tax break for all my working out.

This is ridiculously stupid though. It's like banning .38 specials in an attempt to stop crime.

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:



This is ridiculously stupid though. It's like banning .38 specials in an attempt to stop crime.


What in hell is wrong with you? Don't give them any ideas.


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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:



This is ridiculously stupid though. It's like banning .38 specials in an attempt to stop crime.


What in hell is wrong with you? Don't give them any ideas.

Megalomania Mike is a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.   And has been rumored to send people to pull a straw purchase in other states to "show how easy it is to get guns".


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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 1:58pm
I might be ok with a "luxury tax" for sugared drinks over 20 oz. However, it would have to be tightly controlled and non-sweetened teas and diet sodas would have to be exempt.

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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:



This is ridiculously stupid though. It's like banning .38 specials in an attempt to stop crime.


What in hell is wrong with you? Don't give them any ideas.


In Canada they prohibited .22 handguns.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm" rel="nofollow - Actually. They pretty much banned everything.


Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:



This is ridiculously stupid though. It's like banning .38 specials in an attempt to stop crime.


What in hell is wrong with you? Don't give them any ideas.


In Canada they prohibited .22 handguns.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm" rel="nofollow - Actually. They pretty much banned everything.

Hey!  I did not see Bushmaster, RRA or Olympis arms!  There is still hope for you!


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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 3:06pm
Don't like the laws, vote.

If all else fails, move.

Can't move, ask for a benzo prescription.


Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

The thing is people have proved they aren't responsible enough to NOT do it.

Over 25% of the States would benefit from imposed eating laws. Over $150 Billion in heath care for fat asses would be saved.....

KBK
And if we didn't live in a free country (lol), that would be a good reason. It's not the governments job to tell me how to live.

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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 4:38pm
That is not a good answer for a 140 BILLION Dollar problem. And it is a crappy example. In your " free country" there are plenty of things you cant do that the goverment controls for your benifit. Pretty much any law actually.........

Enforced guidelines arw already in place for other food additives. I dont see a problem with this. I do agree it is a little silly, but next you'll be arguing agsinst laws prohibiting asbestos.

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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

That is not a good answer for a 140 BILLION Dollar problem. And it is a crappy example. In your " free country" there are plenty of things you cant do that the goverment controls for your benifit. Pretty much any law actually.........

Enforced guidelines arw already in place for other food additives. I dont see a problem with this. I do agree it is a little silly, but next you'll be arguing agsinst laws prohibiting asbestos.
I'm not trying to argue semantics and specific legislation, I'm hardly a lawyer. My statement was more so based on principle. How free do you really consider your country to be if you are legally banned from buying a large soda?

If we have proven ourselves incapable of choosing our own diets, we are hardly capable of choosing our government representatives.


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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:


Hey!  I did not see Bushmaster, RRA or Olympis arms!  There is still hope for you!


Hah! Nice! Now all I need a restricted license on top of a PAL plus 3 grand and I'm all set!

Too bad its only legal with a 5 round mag.


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 11:01pm
What about bans on soda in public schools? 


Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 11:10pm
Originally posted by scotchyscotch scotchyscotch wrote:

Then where does the state figure they have to stick their oar in?

We have government-sanctioned healthcare for the poor, those with disabilities, and the elderly. Interestingly enough, there is a correlation between both obesity and obesity related illnesses and socio-economic status. 

Note, my opinion on the NYC drink size limit is still not really settled one way or another. 


Posted By: Mispeld
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 11:37pm
The thing I find funny is that the artificial sweeteners in diet drinks premote fat storage more so then regular drins.

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 10:01am
Link?

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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 10:47am
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

What about bans on soda in public schools? 
100% for this actually. Difference being, for the most part school kids are minors, not adults. However, it does lead to the argument about calorie values of school lunches. This has gotten nearly out of hand as lunches currently are pretty disgusting, at least here. My kids arent the pickiest eaters, but I find more and more days that we are having to pack lunches simply because what is being served sucks, and not because of whats being served, but because what is being served has had all of the flavor, fat, and salt taken out of it making it a mushy pile of goo that tastes like paper.
 
Regarding artificial sweeteners, i have read a few articles that do say that there are arguments that they confuse the body and can actually make people gain weight rather than lose it. I question this as I used to put down 3-4 Big Gulps a day of Diet Coke during my late teens/mid 20's and was still rail thin. I did stop drinking diet soda at some point as I quit drinking sodas pretty much alltogether.


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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 11:10am
My research was very brief this morning, but what I saw only suggested that artificial sweeteners increase your apetite, which can cause a higher caloric intake, but not that it makes you store more fat.

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

What about bans on soda in public schools? 
100% for this actually. Difference being, for the most part school kids are minors, not adults.
 

I agree with you. I was more or less trying to get a sense of where people's lines are as far as soda access, as the opinion about size restrictions for adults has been largely negative here. 

I'm a proponent of soda and sports drink bans in public schools. 



Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 1:29pm
One problem with banning soda in public schools is that some school systems have contracts with the soda companies for vending machines.  My old one was that way.  They went through some pretty substantial budget cuts and made up for some of it with a multi-million dollar deal with Coke for exclusive vending rights.  

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 2:57pm
Might a well sell their student records to companies, to make up for budget cuts.


Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 3:02pm
Might as well sell their students into sex slavery, amirite?

What?


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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

That is not a good answer for a 140 BILLION Dollar problem. And it is a crappy example. In your " free country" there are plenty of things you cant do that the goverment controls for your benifit. Pretty much any law actually.........

Enforced guidelines arw already in place for other food additives. I dont see a problem with this. I do agree it is a little silly, but next you'll be arguing agsinst laws prohibiting asbestos.
I'm not trying to argue semantics and specific legislation, I'm hardly a lawyer. My statement was more so based on principle. How free do you really consider your country to be if you are legally banned from buying a large soda?

If we have proven ourselves incapable of choosing our own diets, we are hardly capable of choosing our government representatives.


We as a society have quite firmly proven we aren't capable of choosing our Diets. Like Kayback hinted at, with such overwhelming government assistance  in terms of Healthcare, it is an obvious step to begin imposing regulations such as this. Obesity will in short order become the number one cause of preventable death in America, and much like we target tobacco use now, we will be making dieting mistakes a major inconvenience for those involved. 

I'm not trying to say I agree with it on a personal level; unfortunately, however, government assistance  naturally leads to government regulation.


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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 3:40pm
I agree with it on a personal level.  I hate seeing fatties...unless they are hoisting boxes high above their heads.

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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 3:44pm
Also, I should say we have also proven fairly consistently we can't pick good representatives either. This may or may not be due to the stock of people who choose to run for government. Which leads us to that famous "Hitch Hikers guide to the galaxy" quote : the only people fit to govern others are those who want nothing to do with it.




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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 3:05am
I don't agree with many things, on a personal level. I am more an anarchist than anything else, but honestly, idiots need guidance.

And there are an awful lot of idiots out there.

That being said, I'm honestly of the opinion that laws like this won't affect "normal" people, and the people they are designed to help will ignore them anyway.

KBK

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 8:47am
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 

I'm a proponent of soda and sports drink bans in public schools. 



The problem with that is, the schools don't seem to be smart enough to figure out what is 'good' and 'not good'

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/" rel="nofollow - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/

Remember, the 'state' who is watching out for obesity and unealthy kids, came to this conclusion not too long ago:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes/#.T9Cicpjz4a4" rel="nofollow - Yummy

So here I am wondering- how, with decisions like the two I've linked above can we trust state organizations with deciding what we can and can't (or our kids can and can't) consume? I know there's some crappy parents out there, but believe me, governmental organizations aren't any better.







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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 9:04am
Another option is to just raise the cost of the drinks. Fewer people will buy a coke if its $3.00+ a bottle.


Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 11:20am
Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

I agree with it on a personal level.  I hate seeing fatties...unless they are hoisting boxes high above their heads.



>_>

Not sure if I should be offended.

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 11:48am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

I agree with it on a personal level.  I hate seeing fatties...unless they are hoisting boxes high above their heads.



>_>

Not sure if I should be offended.
Hahahahaha.

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:


Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

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<div style="color: rgb0, 0, 0 !imant; ">I'm a proponent of soda and sports drink bans in public schools. 




The problem with that is, the schools don't seem to be smart enough to figure out what is 'good' and 'not good'

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/" rel="nofollow - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/

Remember, the 'state' who is watching out for obesity and unealthy kids, came to this conclusion not too long ago:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes/#.T9Cicpjz4a4" rel="nofollow - Yummy

So here I am wondering- how, with decisions like the two I've linked above can we trust state organizations with deciding what we can and can't (or our kids can and can't) consume? I know there's some crappy parents out there, but believe me, governmental organizations aren't any better.







Actually, here's the honest-to-god lowdown on sports drinks and sodas in schools. They're profitable. The school contracts with a vending company to put the machines in. The vending company will forego their usual 70% commission rate on the profit knowing that the kids don't have an opportunity to buy it from a competitor and go 50/50 split on the sale price of a soda/sports drink with the school. That means for every $1.50 spent on a 20oz Coke at a school, the school itself is pocketing $0.75 and the vending company is pocketing $0.20 after costs. At a time when schools are woefully underfunded and teachers are spending money out of their own pockets for supplies in the classroom, schools are turning to these rather lucrative sales to bolster their funds for things like new computers, new textbooks, uniforms, sports equipment, etc.

The whole catch 22 is that if you pull the stuff the students WANT to drink and eat from vending, they won't spend the money meaning less funds for the school meaning a lower quality of education. Much like everything else in the Green and Health-Conscious movements today, if you narrow the focus, you loose sight of the bigger picture.


Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 12:54pm
Also, if you want to see how to provide a good mix of foods kids want to eat, and good-for-you foods as well as the necessary data to allow them to make the decision of what to eat, click http://www.sagedining.com" rel="nofollow - here . My company does a hell of a fine job educating students using a simple "spotlight" program.


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 2:52pm
Pretty sure The Simpsons already covered this.


Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Pretty sure The Simpsons already covered this.


Youtube embed or shens!

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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 4:30pm
I was at the local public school for an event for my kids last weekend... They had three pop machines in the hall, (all were sold out) prices were $1 per can of pop water cost the same... I was thirsty, so I kept looking

I walked into the teachers lounge and their pop machine was $.65 per pop... Totally full, of course. 

Typical, kids get scammed, but teachers get it 20 feet away for less... Reminds me of the public tax assessments in our area when I looked at the superintendents land, vs his neighbors... His house that was just like his neighbors, except had been upgraded with a full remodel. But, it was $150,000 less in tax value than his neighbor...

Special rules for special fools. Notice bloomberg doesn't make this affect his precious wine that he drinks with his meals... Even though it has the same amount of sugar. He just jacks up the price on the "kids" in the hall, while behind the special door, his friends get special treatment. 


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Posted By: Mispeld
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 4:55pm
So the adults responsible for teaching kids get a discount, but that's scamming the kids? Really? I guess military discounts and such scam everyday people to huh?

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I was at the local public school for an event for my kids last weekend... They had three pop machines in the hall, (all were sold out) prices were $1 per can of pop water cost the same... I was thirsty, so I kept looking

I walked into the teachers lounge and their pop machine was $.65 per pop... Totally full, of course. 

Typical, kids get scammed, but teachers get it 20 feet away for less... Reminds me of the public tax assessments in our area when I looked at the superintendents land, vs his neighbors... His house that was just like his neighbors, except had been upgraded with a full remodel. But, it was $150,000 less in tax value than his neighbor...

Special rules for special fools. Notice bloomberg doesn't make this affect his precious wine that he drinks with his meals... Even though it has the same amount of sugar. He just jacks up the price on the "kids" in the hall, while behind the special door, his friends get special treatment. 


If the ruse is to 'prevent childhood obesity' then there's no reason to make any changes to the sales of wine. Remember, the kids can't protect themselves, and the parents are too stupid to be of any use. it's all about the CHILDREN man.



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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 07 June 2012 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Notice bloomberg doesn't make this affect his precious wine that he drinks with his meals... Even though it has the same amount of sugar. 


You keep saying that. Do you know how alcohol is formed?

Unless he's drinking very late harvests, he isn't getting that much sugar.....

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

 

If the ruse is to 'prevent childhood obesity' then there's no reason to make any changes to the sales of wine.

Also, the new NYC law, which really doesn't have anything to do with schools, just limits the size of beverage sold to be immediately consumed, not the sale of the item itself. 

Not many times does anyone, except maybe me when I'm having a bit of an existential breakdown about what I'm doing in my life, buy and chug down 64 oz. of wine at a time. 




Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 11:48am
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Notice bloomberg doesn't make this affect his precious wine that he drinks with his meals... Even though it has the same amount of sugar. 


You keep saying that. Do you know how alcohol is formed?

Unless he's drinking very late harvests, he isn't getting that much sugar.....

I decided to look it up. 

One 6 ounce serving of red table wine: 


One 12 ounce can of Coke Classic:



Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 11:52am
^^^Bloomberg's Box o' wine???

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 2:47pm
Hahaha. A 6 oz. glass of coke only has 54 times as much sugar as a 6 oz. glass of wine.

They're practically the same! Wake up people!

edit- wine not win. Although it could be construed as such.


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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 2:51pm
You guys are missing the point.  He drinks wine.  He thinks he's better than you!

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 3:26pm
Boy, see what a monkey wrench a little bit of googling can throw into an argument?

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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 6:05pm
To be fair, the wine has about 13% more carbs, and 100 some more calories at the same amount. 

And I had no idea wine packs that much protein, damn. 


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:



Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Notice bloomberg doesn't make this affect his precious wine that he drinks with his meals... Even though it has the same amount of sugar. 


You keep saying that. Do you know how alcohol is formed?

Unless he's drinking very late harvests, he isn't getting that much sugar.....


I decided to look it up. 

One 6 ounce serving of red table wine: 


One 12 ounce can of Coke Classic:




Decimal points are for communists! They have the same sugar.


Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 10:07pm
Most of the sugar in wine/beer/cider/hooch/alcohol is consumed during fermentation. Yeast eat sugar, poop booze. 

I don't know about you guys, but I graduated highschool in 2009 and it was an interesting time to be in highschool because I got to watch the "school food" laws take place. I forget the specifics, but my freshman year the food was relatively decent and definitely edible. I remember being able to buy chicken fingers, french fries, pizza, and a whole plethora of bad-for-you food, as well as a lot of less obese food. 

My second year a lot of the school food laws took place, and it was terrible. I am trying to not sound like a whiney American white kid, but the States effort to force schools into "healthy" lunches really killed any desire to eat food in school, and a fair percentage decided to stop eating school food entirely. I remember everything possible was turned into whole wheat, albeit a cheap crappy whole wheat. The school continued selling the generic hamburgers/pizza etc, but after everything became "healthy" it became disgusting.

My guess is, "unhealthy but definitely edible" food is pretty cheap to sell, and the more healthy offerings were more expensive so we got stuck with the lower end crap. I remember salads were downright terrible.

I think by my seinor year my lunch was a bagel. During lacrosse season I would eat cookies about an hour before practice.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 2:29am
The thing about food at school is generally you don't need to change what is served. Portion sizes might be a different story, but a normal, growing person who is active in after school sports can easily burn off the calories from even the most "unhealthy" meal.

Given no silly additives and a more or less decent salt level "nice" unhealthy foods can be served.

Basically burn the same number of calories you are taking in and it isn't a problem.

I don't see why an entire school should be forced to eat bad food because of some lazy kids/parents. I also don't agree with the concept of a few defining the rules for the many. Especially in school make the fatty kids realize they are being picked on by singling them out for "special diets" and most of them will change their attitudes due to peer pressure. Telling them it is ok to be fat and trying to control the what, one possibly two meals they eat in a day isn't going make them change.

There is probably a reason I'm not a child psychologist.

KBK

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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 2:39am
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Did you hear that in NJ they are now going to give you a $1,000 ticket if your dog/cat isn't seatbelted in your car...

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Not to nitpick but have you ever cleaned up an accident which involved unsecured animals and speeds in excess of about 100kph?

It ain't pretty to have an unsecured animal that can weigh as much as a kid slam around the inside of a vehicle when you come to an immediate stop.

Also, who drives around with a cat in their car that ISN'T in a box, tied down, and probably on tranq's?

KBK

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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 8:24am
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Did you hear that in NJ they are now going to give you a $1,000 ticket if your dog/cat isn't seatbelted in your car...

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Not to nitpick but have you ever cleaned up an accident which involved unsecured animals and speeds in excess of about 100kph?

It ain't pretty to have an unsecured animal that can weigh as much as a kid slam around the inside of a vehicle when you come to an immediate stop.

Also, who drives around with a cat in their car that ISN'T in a box, tied down, and probably on tranq's?

KBK
not to get too far off topic but what kind of critters does one have to avoid while driving in South Africa other lions,cape buffalo,elephants and angry Zulus?

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 9:10am
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Did you hear that in NJ they are now going to give you a $1,000 ticket if your dog/cat isn't seatbelted in your car...

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Not to nitpick but have you ever cleaned up an accident which involved unsecured animals and speeds in excess of about 100kph?

It ain't pretty to have an unsecured animal that can weigh as much as a kid slam around the inside of a vehicle when you come to an immediate stop.

Also, who drives around with a cat in their car that ISN'T in a box, tied down, and probably on tranq's?

KBK


More than that- is that pets can CAUSE accidents if they're not belted in. (duh?) I responded to a wreck one day where this little toy dog had climbed into the lap of the driver who tried to shoo it away. while she was distracted, she customized the front end of her car with a utility pole. Dog was perfectly fine, woman had a crack in her face. Banning unsecured pets in a car makes even more sense to me than banning cell phone use to be honest.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 9:15am
You laugh? Goats and cows are legitimate driving concerns on the N2 highway near the airport here.

That being said there are still plenty of wild Kudu, Impala and even some Springbok around. Not here mind you, there are probably small duiker around here. In the mountain passes it's Chacma Baboons you have to worry about.

I gotto do cleanup on a Flying Squad K9's intercept car tha had ended a high speed chase in an accident. The screen separating the K9 from the humans was imprinted with the outline of a German Shepard. It was rather grisly.

KBK

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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 9:22am
Reb- that's a good point too. Hadn't thought of that.

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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 11:34am
Not laughing just curious. Well,atleast up to the angry zulu part...

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 11:55am
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:



I gotto do cleanup on a Flying Squad K9's intercept car tha had ended a high speed chase in an accident. The screen separating the K9 from the humans was imprinted with the outline of a German Shepard. It was rather grisly.

KBK


You know, I've seen people in all sorts of messed up conditions, and I hunt and shoot animals. But seeing something like that would bug me.



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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Did you hear that in NJ they are now going to give you a $1,000 ticket if your dog/cat isn't seatbelted in your car...

How would one go about securing a great dane in a sedan? Not very possible...


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by little devil little devil wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Did you hear that in NJ they are now going to give you a $1,000 ticket if your dog/cat isn't seatbelted in your car...

How would one go about securing a great dane in a sedan? Not very possible...


In continuation of the thread derailment- its not only possible, but easy. There's seatbelt attachments that work on large breed dogs. My sister uses one for her St. Bernard all the time.


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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by little devil little devil wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Did you hear that in NJ they are now going to give you a $1,000 ticket if your dog/cat isn't seatbelted in your car...

How would one go about securing a great dane in a sedan? Not very possible...


Duct tape.


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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 12:29am
I'm a accually quite pissed off that I have to restrain a dog in my truck. Because I can't.

My rents have a chihuahua that is pretty cool to drive with. Go ahead, pick on me, but the rats personality is awesome.

Anyway, my dad bought a rediculous looking basket thing that straps to a bucket seat and clips into a dog harness. Thing is, I have a regular cab F150 with a bench seat and I can't hook that (or anything I can find) to my seat.

So I will choose to break that law. Boo, hiss, I know.

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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 12:57am
This seemed to get way off topic but I will add.

My dog weighing in at about 66 pounds always wants to get in the front seat and I can't concentrate on keeping him back. I have him on his leash where he can lay down and have some slight movement with his face barely able to get near me. It's a leash and not a harness. I don't know if there are any rules with that because I know if I get in an accident, his neck is going to snap like it's nothing. I wouldn't mind buying a leash and harness that actually connected into the seatbelt latches, but I have never seen one of those. Luckily, my dog transportation days are slowing down.


Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 2:38am
Ssok so long as you accept responsbility and don't complain when you get fined

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 7:19am
Originally posted by SSOK SSOK wrote:

I'm a accually quite pissed off that I have to restrain a dog in my truck. Because I can't.

My rents have a chihuahua that is pretty cool to drive with. Go ahead, pick on me, but the rats personality is awesome.

Anyway, my dad bought a rediculous looking basket thing that straps to a bucket seat and clips into a dog harness. Thing is, I have a regular cab F150 with a bench seat and I can't hook that (or anything I can find) to my seat.

So I will choose to break that law. Boo, hiss, I know.

Next question.


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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 3:26pm
People with pets on their lap while driving should crash into a concrete wall. It's just not safe.


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 5:53pm
^^^ You're right, crashing into a concrete wall isn't safe.

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 11:12pm
What if you are a wrecking ball operator? 

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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 12:53am
Then you shouldn't have a pet.

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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 1:59pm
What if it's a seeing eye dog?

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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 2:07pm
Someone needs to make a sitcom with a blind wrecking ball operator. 


Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 3:51pm
Then the dog should operate it. Then we will say, "the dogs took our jobs!"

IB4 dogs don't have oposable thumbs


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 12 June 2012 at 12:01am
Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

Then the dog should operate it. Then we will say, "the dogs took our jerrbs!"

IB4 dogs don't have oposable thumbs


Fixed.


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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 13 June 2012 at 11:14am
Mike will not like this......
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/burger-king-bets-bacon-sundae-173443889.html" rel="nofollow - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/burger-king-bets-bacon-sundae-173443889.html


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 13 June 2012 at 11:27am
Mike is a little busy trying to ban popcorn and milk... 

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/18774940/health-panel-talks-about-wider-food-ban" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxny.com/story/18774940/health-panel-talks-about-wider-food-ban


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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:45pm
This is how I normally drive, for those who are interested:



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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 13 June 2012 at 11:09pm
^^^ You're much smaller and fuzzier than I always imagined.*








*But better groomed. 

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