Growing up is awkward.
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Topic: Growing up is awkward.
Posted By: stratoaxe
Subject: Growing up is awkward.
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 3:04am
Since I think you guys have pretty much heard my every political thesis, I thought I'd throw something completely different out there.
I think we've all posted things here and there about the horror show that is growing up, but I'm discovering an even more depressing side of things. Up front, my intention is to have a mature, PG rated thread here. If we succeed this could be a forum first.
I don't know how to enjoy boot knocking anymore.
To be clear I'm talking about the human reproductive process. It's not that I find sex less enjoyable, it's that the things that used to rev my engine don't even bump the accelerator any more.
Since my fiancee left I've avoided relationships like the plague. With school and work I have to lose sleep just to make time for borderlands 2 (which I've only half finished) and I make little to no effort to elevate members of the opposite sex above friend status.
Last weekend I decided I needed to take the plunge and just go find a lady of low moral character (again PG.) I find myself at a party with some friends at a semi local hotel near DFW. I meet this interesting Hispanic high schooler (she was 18...) and we hit it off decently well but I find myself feeling, weird I guess. The age gap is becoming more and more apparent, far more so than I thought I would at 25. After about two hours of mild contact (PG) I got bored and decided to go home.
Fast forward to this weekend and I get a call from a friend I've always been fairly attracted to saying her boyfriend dumped her and she needed some no strings attached study time (PG) so I say sure thing and drive over.
I make an hour and a half drive, get there, and she totally meant business. Me on the other hand, I wanted to talk (I swear God I've heard every female joke known to man from my friends so don't bother) but it didn't work. I found myself in the most awkward wrestling match (PG) of my life and the entire time I could only think of how I wanted it to end.
After probably two hours of being very inhumanely abused with no positive outcome for myself (PG) I gave up and she went to sleep while I talked to her,weinee dog (that one's not a metaphor, it's just sad.)
TL;DR...I feel like a woman. I'm tired of meaningless frolicking and I want to have an actual relationship but find that my position in life didn't allow for it. This is by far the least manly I've ever felt. And I've worn a dress.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 5:56am
Fairly typical. Don't worry about it. I quit wanting to have random hook-ups around the same age. It's a good thing as ultimately it'll help you find someone you're truly emotionally invested in, rather than someone you just really like knocking boots with. Your friends are either A) too immature to realize there's more to a relationship than the horizontal mambo or B) faking it to look manly in front of said other friends.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 10:03am
Tell her to wear something sexy next time. a pink mesh glove should do the trick. ;)
In all seriousness though, I agree with Tallen. Random hook-ups can be fun, but it will never be the same thing as bumping fuzzies with a girl you care about on an emotional level. You shouldn't feel un-manly, but you shouldn't feel like a frat boy.
*Also, I'd like a little more elaboration on you wearing a dress.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 10:04am
That's actually pretty relieving. I was starting to get worried I had a medical condition 
I guess I can look forward to Matlock and yelling at teenagers soon.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 10:07am
Sneaky,.somewhere there's a picture of me wearing a girlfriend's frilly 80s dress. Of course, if my letters to Santa paid off that person died in a manure fire so you'll never see them :)
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 10:37am
It's scientific fact that guys hit their sexual stride in the late teens to early 20's, after that, we start to lose interest in tapping everything that moves and has tatas. You're just settling into the phase of life where you start getting down to business and are looking to settle down with the right kind of girl.
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 11:21am
Im 25....I feel the same way. Though I am weird and have felt it for a long time. Random hookups never interested me( and no not because I had no chance).
Also I broke up with my last girlfriend because I was tired all the time on the weekend when she had off. I was like "woman I work a full time job Friday-Sunday die in a fire"
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 11:34am
Well, you are doing better than me, in a physiological sense. I never got into the whole random hookups thing due to a shattered self-confidence. I was/am convinced I was/am not "good" enough, so I never/don't bother to try. Even when I had a girlfriend, I was more worried how she perceived me sexually to even enjoy myself. My almost literally nonexistent self-confidence cost me the best years of my life, and I honestly question what I have to look forward to.
So yeah. King's to you; you win.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 11:43am
DeTrevni wrote:
Well, you are doing better than me, in a physiological sense. I never got into the whole random hookups thing due to a shattered self-confidence. I was/am convinced I was/am not "good" enough, so I never/don't bother to try. Even when I had a girlfriend, I was more worried how she perceived me sexually to even enjoy myself. My almost literally nonexistent self-confidence cost me the best years of my life, and I honestly question what I have to look forward to.
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Trying to look at any small number of years as "the best years of your life" is a totally unhealthy way to look at things. I'm assuming we're about the same age, so there's a good chance you have 75% of your life still ahead of you. That whole "cherish it, you'll never be so happy again" is the biggest line of bull**edited** fed down to young people by miserable older people who only remember the good parts of their youth, and none of the unique stresses growing up can bring with it.
Each year of your life is what you make of it.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 11:52am
I try to tell myself that, and it's only logical, but already I have regrets for a life wasted. I'm doing better now than I was in the past, no doubt, but once I get into a negative mindset, especially one that's lingered over me for so long, I can't just escape it. But this isn't a "pitty DeTrevni" thread. I just wanted to give Strat some perspective.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 12:04pm
DeTrev, FWIW most of the people who had "the best time of their lives during the best years of their lives" wind up dead by your age, or on some miserable downward spiral.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 12:06pm
I appreciate it DeTrev but let me just throw out there that I've dealt with pretty low self esteem as well. I'm certainly no Gatyr, I've just been lucky enough to grow up in an area with lots of compassionate girls 
I think that most guys such as myself get into the one night stand funk becauseof self esteem issues. A relationship is much harder and demands more character than just sex...I think that's why all but two girls I've ever been with were under 21. Until I get out of this little ditch that I'm in I wouldn't know what to do with an actual full grown female.
I'm 25 and I'd say I'm living the best years of my life. I got laid more a few years ago but really the biggest indicator that life's gotten better is that getting laid is no longer a point of measurement for me. I think that, occasional sexual frustration side, getting into college and taking in so many outside perspectiveshadhad really helped me.
So don't define your best years into you've lived them. Girls come and go and to some degree you can't control that, but you always get laid again. It's almost a guarantee unless you physically try not to. I can empathize though, I think that the modern male is slowly trading places with the female I'm society. Women are now coming out of college with the to degrees and are usurping the male place as the sexually dominant gender. Now us guys are all raging metrosexuals meticulously judging ourselves the way girls used to.
I want the 70s back, where all you needed was a beard, a low cut shirt, and a trans am.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 12:08pm
Damn android autocorrect. I'm not editing all that, y'all can figure it out lol.
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 12:58pm
stratoaxe wrote:
... usurping the male place as the sexually dominant gender. Now us guys are all raging metrosexuals meticulously judging ourselves the way girls used to.
I want the 70s back, where all you needed was a beard, a low cut shirt, and a trans am. |
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 1:13pm
Kayback wrote:
stratoaxe wrote:
... usurping the male place as the sexually dominant gender. Now us guys are all raging metrosexuals meticulously judging ourselves the way girls used to.
I want the 70s back, where all you needed was a beard, a low cut shirt, and a trans am. |
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This is exactly the crux of it! Of people like me...
The question that is on the back of my mind at all times is, "Am I manly enough?" It's a self-defeating question! If I even ask, the answer is automatically "no." Just asking is an indicator of the lack of confidence in my own masculinity. Some people who ask the question too much try to validate their masculinity through banging bimbos and just being competitive (in an animalistic sense). "Frat boys," as it were. The opposite end of the spectrum for the question-askers is an acceptance of lack of confidence, which is where I suffer. Before I even begin, I accept that I'm not good enough, or what have you, so I abandon the idea. The specific area I suffer from is sexuality, and it's a vicious cycle. I can't get any because I lack confidence, and I lack confidence because I can't get any. What the hell am I supposed to do? I can't just say "get over it and get over her." My mental barrier simply prevents that!
Edit: I did it again. Sorry, I don't want to thread-jack...
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 4:28pm
Kayback-Dammit I just got that back :(
DeTrev-don't define yourself.by your perception of masculinity. There are Burt Reynolds and there are johnny depps, and guess who women prefer? The johnny depps.
I'm very girly. I have my playlist organized by chick song-guy song so I can easily switch at red lights. But I'm also into cars, guns, hunting, etc. Most people think I'm gay when they first meet me and assume I'm a liberal gay boy who drives a prius.
The point is I accept what I am and I'm confident in it. A girl likes cowboys or bad boy types? I'll talk to her anyway because you never know when a girl is just really wanting some intelligent conversation and you're gonna be the guy who provides it. You have no idea how many times I've gotten laid inviting a girlover to watch a Disney movie or listen to John Mayer. It's all about confidence, not looks, money, or manliness.
Embrace whatever you classify yourself as and be funny about it. It takes girls of guard.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 4:50pm
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ITT: Stratoaxe and Detrevni tackle the issue of heterogeneity by flirting with one another.
:P
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 5:02pm
Okay Strato and DeTrevni,
Every morning, I want you to wake up, take a shower, brush your teeth, look in the mirror and tell yourselves "Damn I'm Good!"
Okay, so maybe not like that, but in the other things you do. I was a high school outcast with no friends who only had a few friends in College and have probably about the same now that I'm out of school. I'm not a popular guy and women don't get a damp in the panties when I walk by. But when I do something, and do it well, I own it. I take a look at what I've made/done/said and tell the world that, "Dammit, I'm THAT frikken good baby!" And when I do that, it gives my confidence a boost and it then carries over into other things I do. You do that enough, and it works its way into your everyday life and people notice it. It's not the false sense of bravado that fratboys and "bros" exude, it's the real deal and worthwhile women (and men) can tell the difference. Does that mean I don't ever go "damn, I wish I had a six-pack and all my hair?" Of course not! But the confidence I carry from the things I CAN control outweighs the negative of the self doubt and it shows. So, next time you do something that you know is the shiznit, pat yourself on the back and hold onto it.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 5:04pm
*Stealth* wrote:
ITT: Stratoaxe and Detrevni tackle the issue of heterogeneity by flirting with one another.
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It's kinda like that time you and I worked out our heterosexuality with that bottle of honey and some pictures we stole off FB of Gatyr......
I kid! I kid!
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 5:15pm
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I can't speak for you, but Gatyr personally gave me those photos.
... and they were beautiful.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 5:30pm
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This thread got weird.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 6:04pm
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Hooo, man. Firstly, I'd like to apologize. I had slipped into a wave of depression (it comes and goes these days), and I got to typing faster than I could think. I've vented, and I feel better now. However, what's been said has been said, so I'd like to clarify a few things, objectively.
Firstly, when I mentioned masculinity, I was referencing confidence. You can be Burt Reynolds, you could be Johnny Depp, but the root of it all is confidence in one's self. I've always found that confidence to BE George Clooney or Orlando Bloom (figuratively) as opposed to TRYING to be them is an indicator of one's masculinity, or confidence in themselves as men. Or in reference to women, femininity. Whatever. It's all personal identity. You may ask "Golly DeTrevni, why not just call it 'self-confidence?'" Well, you'd be right, but there are underlying characteristics as well, associated with one's gender. Old ideals such as Chivalry, or even English (or Southern) gentry (of the more contemporary definition) inspire me. A social etiquette that I think has kinda fizzled out over the years. Really though, all that is non sequitur. I should have just referenced it as "confidence" and left the masculinity out of it, but I wasn't thinking straight.
That said, the subject of sexuality is the root to many of my problems today, and I guess this is where I got the "masculinity" bit from. Because of my overall lack of self-confidence, I occasionally question my standing as a "man." Yes, it's shallow, I know, but it's a legitimate worry for me. I appreciate the words and tough love, but it has been so ingrained into my psyche that "just get over it" won't cut it, unfortunately. Of course, I work in a machine shop surrounded by the typical blue-collar types who weigh masculinity on a scale of how many girls they can bang, and how often. Naturally, that can whittle away at my ego over time, shallow though it may be. It's tough to stay strong. It really is.
So essentially, I wasn't referencing Burt Reynolds as much as I was referencing confidence. I wish I had more, sure, but I'm doing hella better than I was. No doubt. I still get waves of "identity crisis" now and again, as can be seen, but I'm really doing better. Sorry to be the Debbie Downer here.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 6:20pm
Haha I gotcha man.
Sexuality is becoming ambiguous because, as I said earlier, post civil rights woman have forcibly moved their social status in a very rapid way. So while we made kitchen jokes at them they replace us in high level positions on a daily basis. Something like 60% of law graduates this year will be female. Lawyers become politicians and politicians make policy.
So our roles as men are shifting because women don't need big hairy men to protect them. They need Sneaky to cook for them and organize their toiletries.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 6:37pm
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Which is why I have to nab women fast, before they realize I'm a terrible chef.
*and unorganized.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 7:24pm
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If you have women problems you're a homo.
But seriously though, people, especially women, make no goddamn sense at all. I've notice that as I've grown older it's easier to pull, but you're less motivated to do so. Maybe the slight indifference looks like confidence, it's hard to tell. My life has had way too much uncertainty to make anything long-term, and I have made some unwise short-term decisions that I'm lucky didn't end up with me needing antibiotics or birdshot removed from my backside. My advice, is try someone slightly older. Younger girls like to play mind games, don't know what they want, or have totally delusional expectations about pretty much everything. Older ones tend to be more realistic and down to earth, more straightforward, and better at what they do. I'm not saying you should go cougar hunting, but if you aren't feeling as full of youthful foolishness, don't seek the company of youthful fools.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 7:30pm
rednekk wrote:
But seriously though, people, especially women, make no goddamn sense at all. I've notice that as I've grown older it's easier to pull, but you're less motivated to do so. Maybe the slight indifference looks like confidence, it's hard to tell. My life has had way too much uncertainty to make anything long-term |
Pretty much hit the nail on the head there.
6 or 7 years ago I'd have paid money to have the easy access to one night stand I have now. Oh, and I'd have never taken the managers position at my job. Major chicken block there.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 9:15pm
tallen702 wrote:
Okay Strato and DeTrevni,
Every morning, I want you to wake up, take a shower, brush your teeth, look in the mirror and tell yourselves "Damn I'm Good!"
Okay, so maybe not like that, but in the other things you do. I was a high school outcast with no friends who only had a few friends in College and have probably about the same now that I'm out of school. I'm not a popular guy and women don't get a damp in the panties when I walk by. But when I do something, and do it well, I own it. I take a look at what I've made/done/said and tell the world that, "Dammit, I'm THAT frikken good baby!" And when I do that, it gives my confidence a boost and it then carries over into other things I do. You do that enough, and it works its way into your everyday life and people notice it. It's not the false sense of bravado that fratboys and "bros" exude, it's the real deal and worthwhile women (and men) can tell the difference. Does that mean I don't ever go "damn, I wish I had a six-pack and all my hair?" Of course not! But the confidence I carry from the things I CAN control outweighs the negative of the self doubt and it shows. So, next time you do something that you know is the shiznit, pat yourself on the back and hold onto it. |
This . . . I live it, it works . . . and the Gosh Dang Dos Equis most interesting man in the world looks up to me.
All my years are the best of my life.
Kayback wrote:
stratoaxe wrote:
... usurping the male place as the
sexually dominant gender. Now us guys are all raging metrosexuals
meticulously judging ourselves the way girls used to.
I want the 70s back, where all you needed was a beard, a low cut shirt, and a trans am. |
Your Mancard has been officially revoked. Please hand it in for destruction.
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Bahaha!
As to what strato said, be the kind of man you're comfortable with and be happy with it. I have nothing against the guys who want to pretty themselves up like the chicks used to . . . but that's not me.
rednekk98 wrote:
If you have women problems you're a homo.
But
seriously though, people, especially women, make no goddamn sense at
all. I've notice that as I've grown older it's easier to pull, but
you're less motivated to do so. Maybe the slight indifference looks like
confidence, it's hard to tell. My life has had way too much uncertainty
to make anything long-term, and I have made some unwise short-term
decisions that I'm lucky didn't end up with me needing antibiotics or
birdshot removed from my backside. My advice, is try someone slightly
older. Younger girls like to play mind games, don't know what they want,
or have totally delusional expectations about pretty much everything.
Older ones tend to be more realistic and down to earth, more
straightforward, and better at what they do. I'm not saying you should
go cougar hunting, but if you aren't feeling as full of youthful
foolishness, don't seek the company of youthful fools. |
Redneck has wisdom beyond his years.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 9:29pm
I take only one issue with any of this-
Tallen wrote:
I'm not a popular guy and women don't get a damp in the panties when I walk by. |
Lies. I get damp every time you post about food.
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Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 10:30pm
Honestly, the best advice I have is super cliche, but its the truth, especially for guys like ya'll: Be yourself, be confident in who you are, and don't care too much what anyone else in the world thinks. Don't try to impress anyone, don't try to be something or someone you aren't, just be yourself. I found for myself that sometimes, its amazing what falls into place when you aren't concerned with anything except the things that you tackle day-to-day and the other things that make you tick. The best people like you for being you, and you don't need to pander down to other people who aren't that way. I know you've probably heard it a thousand and one times, but take it seriously. Take it further than the rest of the nursery-school butterflies-and-flowers sayings. I've found for myself that I've made my absolute best friends (male and female, non-sexual and otherwise, etc.) and met the best people I know when I've simply been honest with myself, and confident in my honesty.
Some of the best things come along when you aren't looking for them, and some of the hardest issues get solved when you aren't trying to fix them.
Also, worth noting - I'm not some totem or model of self-confidence or something; quite the contrary. I struggle with self-esteem quite a bit. However, just because I'm not always self-confident in my appearance, conversations, etc. doesn't mean that I can't be self-confident in my honest feelings, thoughts, emotions, and actions. This is probably pretty key - being able to separate these out. You can't always be confident in your image, appearance, or outward interactions, but you can always be confident in yourself if you always be honest with yourself and put all your effort into what you try to do, and don't give up at the first sight of challenges.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 09 October 2012 at 11:12pm
...can we all hold hands now?
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 12:15am
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I'm waiting to get a real career and permanent living before I mess with getting a relationship again.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 12:47am
__sneaky__ wrote:
...can we all hold hands now? | You can hold anything you want sneaky <3
Rofl-same here.
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 7:13am
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You guys are getting it wrong. Need to get a girl that can move around and is already getting/has herself settled into the real world. My girlfriend of 2 years is a nurse and she has a job and I'm in my senior year of college in physics. So luckily for me, our residence can rely on me because she can move around to other hospitals around the nation. That's the nice thing about my relationship. She can always pack her bags up and find a job near me.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 10:44am
You will survive. This game has been going on since man left the caves, and will continue only the rules change now and then.
The key word is compromise...like I am still in Nebraska not that I really want to be. Lesson 1: If momma is not happy..No one is happy.
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 11:22am
oldsoldier wrote:
. Lesson 1: If momma is not happy..No one is happy. |
Oh so true....learn it now guys.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 1:49pm
Ceesman762 wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
. Lesson 1: If momma is not happy..No one is happy. |
Oh so true....learn it now guys.
| I don't know, I can be a pretty big female dog myself.
I tried reading through every post, but honestly found myself skimming and wanting to sit down with a nice bottle of chardonnay and watch "Beaches".
Seriously though, wait until you have been with the same woman for nearly 1/2 of your life! The stresses of money, health and kids can and most likely will suck any sexual desires you have completely out of you. I used to laugh at Al Bundy thinking that he was a schmo, but holy crap it's happening to me!
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 2:41pm
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Being in a long-term relationship means I've sort of just stopped caring about almost all of this.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 3:20pm
Define 'long term'. Till you are 'married with children' as oldpbnoob mentions you really do not understand the full meaning of 'relationship' and that key word that goes with it 'committment'.
Looking back at the 'relationship' fiascos of my past, I still sit and laugh at all these BTDT scenarios, and I am still here, remarried, and doing fine. (hint marry a farm girl, city women are a royal pain as I found out 3 times)
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 3:29pm
agentwhale007 wrote:
Being in a long-term relationship means I've sort of just stopped caring about almost all of this. |
It's nice when you're not dealing with crazy, and can actually have something healthy.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 3:30pm
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Southern girls are the best. I feel very blessed.
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 3:30pm
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As most have mentioned, we have all been there. I had the fear that I wouldn't even be able to perform in bed at the level I used to even with an incredibly gorgeous woman. Like you, I had a woman of extreme significance leave me. The plan with her was to get married and do that whole thing. My conclusion was that because she left in such a tragic way (Cheated on me numerous times and started her new relationship 6 months before we were over) it took a very large blow to my ego. It began to put thoughts in my head that no woman could be trusted and that all women were out to hurt me in some way. Because of this, I went without any female contact aside from literal conversation for over a year. I wondered if I could even do what needed to be done to..well.. you know. My friends would all tell me I just needed to do what you did and "slay a few dragons" to clear out the cobwebs.
I don't think I have ever felt like I wasn't manly enough. Those types of thoughts never entered in to my brain. I do take pride in the way I dress and have made some changed about myself since my last girlfriend. Sometimes you have to take that motivation of a bad relationship and make positive changes. I'm not the worst looking guy in the world and it mostly comes down to being able to talk to girls. I have to say that one thing I had over a lot of my friends in the military was "charm." It is true that a lot of guys these days use the uniform to get women, and those are the types of women I try to avoid. I almost felt like it was the equivalent of a cave-man beating a woman over the head and dragging her back to the cave by her foot. Sometimes you just have to put yourself out there a lot and expect to be shot down. Just keep telling yourself that she wasn't that cute anyways.
At age 25, you get to a tipping point. I was 24 and dating a 19 year old (oddly enough of Hispanic decent as well) and I found her very attractive. I actually didn't find out her age until later and was impressed with her maturity. Eventually, like you, I started to notice the age difference even of 5 years. It makes a difference.
When you find the woman who can not only hold an intelligent conversation but be very beautiful in that way, those things that used to rev your engine will come right back. Sounds like your at the point where a deeper connection needs to be made, but don't force it or it will turn out horribly wrong.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 7:30pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
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As long as we sing Kumbaya . . . and OS leads.
Ceesman762 wrote:
oldsoldier wrote:
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Oh so true....learn it now guys.
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Snipa69 wrote:
As most have mentioned, we have all been there. I had the fear that I wouldn't even be able to perform in bed at the level I used to even with an incredibly gorgeous woman.
You won't. You'll have to give up the gymnastics, ability to go for hours on end and the positions that you picked up by watching bad internet porn. This isn't a loss as you will replace it with a compatibility, knowledge of your partner and comfort/commitment level that beats the tar out of the wild stuff of your youth.
Like you, I had a woman of extreme significance leave me. The plan with her was to get married and do that whole thing. My conclusion was that because she left in such a tragic way (Cheated on me numerous times and started her new relationship 6 months before we were over) it took a very large blow to my ego.
Been there . . . except I got rid of her because I realized I would never trust her again so it couldn't work.
It began to put thoughts in my head that no woman could be trusted and that all women were out to hurt me in some way. Because of this, I went without any female contact aside from literal conversation for over a year.
Nothing wrong with that. I avoided an serious relationships for 10 years and then accidentally met the right woman.
I wondered if I could even do what needed to be done to..well.. you know.
Unless the ex took your equipment in the settlement, this generally isn't a valid worry . . . if a problem does arise (or fails to, I guess) it shouldn't be looked at as failure but as a signal that you just aren't ready yet or that your subconscious is telling you the situation isn't right.
My friends would all tell me I just needed to do what you did and "slay a few dragons" to clear out the cobwebs.
This works for some people, the big thing for me was just becoming who I wanted to be and learning who that was. (Not to say I didn't have some fun in the intervening time between marriages.)
I don't think I have ever felt like I wasn't manly enough. Those types of thoughts never entered in to my brain. I do take pride in the way I dress and have made some changed about myself since my last girlfriend. Sometimes you have to take that motivation of a bad relationship and make positive changes. I'm not the worst looking guy in the world and it mostly comes down to being able to talk to girls. I have to say that one thing I had over a lot of my friends in the military was "charm."
A lot of charm comes from self-confidence.
It is true that a lot of guys these days use the uniform to get women, and those are the types of women I try to avoid.
Good call. Women like that are superficial and generally not anyone worth wasting your time on.* Men who have to use that technique are the one's who should be evaluating their "manliness."
I almost felt like it was the equivalent of a cave-man beating a woman over the head and dragging her back to the cave by her foot. Sometimes you just have to put yourself out there a lot and expect to be shot down. Just keep telling yourself that she wasn't that cute anyways.
And even if she was . . . there will always be more cute women.**
At age 25, you get to a tipping point. I was 24 and dating a 19 year old (oddly enough of Hispanic decent as well) and I found her very attractive. I actually didn't find out her age until later and was impressed with her maturity. Eventually, like you, I started to notice the age difference even of 5 years. It makes a difference.
Yes it does.***
When you find the woman who can not only hold an intelligent conversation but be very beautiful in that way, those things that used to rev your engine will come right back. Sounds like your at the point where a deeper connection needs to be made, but don't force it or it will turn out horribly wrong.
All so very true. Some of the very things that OPBN mentioned above regarding trying to have a libido while dealing with issues of children, finances, etc help build those bonds. To indirectly disagree with OPBN, a woman who can face those problems with a man and help equally, as a team member, in the solutions . . . now that is sexy.
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* I went on a very short blind date with a friend of the wife of one of my friends. We were about halfway to the restaurant (first stop of the day) and she had been blabbering about her plan to marry an Air Force officer so she could go to beauty school and make herself look pretty on a regular basis for him while she sat at home keeping his house. She even knew where she was going to have him get stationed. (Sad part is, she was old enough that she should have been beyond these types of fantasies.) When I turned the car around and she asked where we were going my reply was something along the lines of I wasn't any of the things she was interested in, wasn't planning on becoming any of those things and had decided I didn't like her that much. I told her I was taking her home and not only to not expect me to get her door when we got there but she would be lucky if I came to a complete stop. (I did come to a complete stop to let her out . . . she had a mouth on her; which was another turn-off for me.)
** There always more cute women and oddly enough, they were willing even after "the speech." It was along the lines of "if we get intimate, it doesn't mean we're getting married or even going to go out again, heck, we may not even like each other in the morning." I would also explain I wasn't looking for anything permanent since my experience with my first marriage. I never had a woman take the lets go to dinner and I'll drop you off at your home option after the speech . . . not even once.
*** Right after my divorce, when I was just shy of 30, the very cute19-20 year old sister of a friend's wife show some serious interest in me. Given the age difference and just coming out of an unpleasant marriage I figured this would be a bad idea. I am still fairly certain I was right.
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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 7:31pm
If anyone is looking for an actual relationship I'd definitely recommend going 21+. The older you get the higher the risk for baggage, but they need to get some of the nightlife out of their system before getting into anything serious. (I know most people start partying as a teenager, but there is a difference between someone partying at houses and going to bars).
Edit* I also forgot to say that I had a girl rip my heart out and make me lose the ability to trust women. But, I found my wife after giving up on actively chasing females. Needless to say just live how you want to live and not try hard. You never know who you might run into.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 7:59pm
Some physical things that occur with older age like grey hair and baldness can't be avoided which may hurt your self esteem. Treating your body right and staying in shape are huge in so many ways.
You can maintain your manly abilities, and even improve on them as you get older. And that's a fact.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 8:13pm
Yeah at 6 5 215 I'm less worried about the baldness haha...nobody even noticed when I cut my shag into a number 2 all around.
Mack...I enjoyed every word of that post. Alot of times you forget that billions of other people have dealt with or are currently dealing with some issue you've just encountered and survived the ordeal.
I think that alot of times us guys blame girls for changes we make when in reality we just came to realization that life was no longer working.
There's a reason so many self improvement books are aimed at women...men don't cope well with change, be out external or internal.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 10 October 2012 at 8:37pm
stratoaxe wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
...can we all hold hands now? | You can hold anything you want sneaky <3
Rofl-same here. | I lol'd pretty hard at this.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 11 October 2012 at 6:56am
stratoaxe wrote:
Yeah at 6 5 215 I'm less worried about the baldness . | Lol! At 5'11" 190, I have no worries here either. Just an occasional grey hair that's really hard to see. I think I gain more hair the older I get.
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 October 2012 at 10:58am
Lightningbolt wrote:
stratoaxe wrote:
Yeah at 6 5 215 I'm less worried about the baldness . | Lol! At 5'11" 190, I have no worries here either. Just an occasional grey hair that's really hard to see. I think I gain more hair the older I get. |
Around mid 30's the hair loss and gray started to be noticeable. I put up with if for a few years then finally just shaved it off. The girlfriend (now wife) loved the look (especially when I added the mandatory post-military retirement 'stache and goatee) and apparently I became even more attractive to other women.
The only thing I miss about hair is how much it actually did to keep sweat out of my eyes. (Even worn short which was how I always preferred it.)
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 11 October 2012 at 12:58pm
Mack wrote:
[Stories related to asterisks below:
*Me go on short blind date with friend of wife of Ogg We halfway to tar pit to forage for food (first stop of day) and she grunting about plan to be dragged off by Neandertal so she could pick wild berries and use for makeup to make herself pretty for him while she sit in cave and make bronto burgers. She even know which tribe she want him hunting with.(Sad part is, she 18 winters old. She should have been nicer to Mack. As even then I vey old and dragged many women off into woods) When I turn triceratops around and she ask 'where Mack go?" I reply that I am Cromagnon and not want her decide who I hunt with. If she want Neanderthal, she need date Grog! I tell her I take her back to her cave and not expect me to drag her by hair to door when we get there. She lucky if I not let triceratops gore her when we get to cave. (I did come to complete stop and kick her off . . . she threw sticks, rocks and feces at Mack; which was turn-off.)
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 11 October 2012 at 1:02pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
Mack wrote:
[Stories related to asterisks below:
*Me go on short blind date with friend of wife of Ogg We halfway to tar pit to forage for food (first stop of day) and she grunting about plan to be dragged off by Neandertal so she could pick wild berries and use for makeup to make herself pretty for him while she sit in cave and make bronto burgers. She even know which tribe she want him hunting with.(Sad part is, she 18 winters old. She should have been nicer to Mack. As even then I vey old and dragged many women off into woods) When I turn triceratops around and she ask 'where Mack go?" I reply that I am Cromagnon and not want her decide who I hunt with. If she want Neanderthal, she need date Grog! I tell her I take her back to her cave and not expect me to drag her by hair to door when we get there. She lucky if I not let triceratops gore her when we get to cave. (I did come to complete stop and kick her off . . . she threw sticks, rocks and feces at Mack; which was turn-off.)
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 11 October 2012 at 1:28pm
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 11 October 2012 at 10:36pm
oldpbnoob wrote:
Mack wrote:
[Stories related to asterisks below:
*Me go on short blind date with friend of wife of Ogg We halfway to tar pit to forage for food (first stop of day) and she grunting about plan to be dragged off by Neandertal so she could pick wild berries and use for makeup to make herself pretty for him while she sit in cave and make bronto burgers. She even know which tribe she want him hunting with.(Sad part is, she 18 winters old. She should have been nicer to Mack. As even then I vey old and dragged many women off into woods) When I turn triceratops around and she ask 'where Mack go?" I reply that I am Cromagnon and not want her decide who I hunt with. If she want Neanderthal, she need date Grog! I tell her I take her back to her cave and not expect me to drag her by hair to door when we get there. She lucky if I not let triceratops gore her when we get to cave. (I did come to complete stop and kick her off . . . she threw sticks, rocks and feces at Mack; which was turn-off.)
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 12 October 2012 at 1:23am
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Haha I laughed pretty decently as well.
And to the OP, don't worry..there is certainly light at the end of the tunnel. I have since rebounded long ago from those things I was so worried about after my ex. Time does heal certain wounds (I would disagree that it heals ALL wounds) so don't sweat this one out too much. In a short while, you will be laughing at the thought of making this thread. Just be prepared to put a few crazies under your belt and make sure you get out before things get too complicated. Unfortunately, with today's medicated generation/youth, it is bound to happen. I still haven't settled down yet, but it gets easier to spot women that aren't worth the time. Luckily, as Gatyr will remind everyone, I have my piercing blue eyes and charming personality to fall back on. That, and always tell yourself you can't POSSIBLY be the WORST looking thing out there. If anything, this is karma/faith/god/whatever you believe in telling you to focus on what makes you happy and a better person before you find someone else who compliments you. Don't try to find someone who completes you, but try to find someone who compliments and adds to you.
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