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Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: So Reb
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 11:56am
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How many now illegal weapons do you now own in New York, you 'criminal'. You did read ther new law and restrictions didn't you. You have a year, before you are a defined by law 'criminal' if you own anything that fits the requirements of idiocy from NY. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 12:13pm
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Yeah, I read it, don't get me started. Unreal. Things like Ruger 10/22s and M1 Carbines are now classified as 'assault weapons' And tubular magazines in lever actions and shotguns that hold more than 7 rounds are illegal. As far as what I've got, No comment, though I should be pretty safe, most of my collection are old military rifles, and not the newer AR based evils. - they're cheaper. ------------- ? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 2:11pm
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 8:49pm
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any semi auto shotgun that takes a screw in choke falls under the ban if im not mistaken... nm, went and read the bill. someone missed the part where it was talking about pistols... though the laws are going to be a pain. i think my buddy has a bunch of guns that will eventually break the law. i will see if he wants to ship them here for safe keeping. ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 9:31pm
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See I'm for some more gun control but stuff like this is silly.... ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 9:47pm
He has to transfer them to you to do so, otherwise it's a federal felony. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
merc wrote:Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 11:32pm
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I think it's dumb, and clearly and attempt at just screwing legal gun owners. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm happy I live in NJ. The fact that the mag capacity laws apply to non-semi autos is just dumb, and the oddball number of seven is purely to cause unnecessary hassle to the gun owners. I feel bad for those with lever action rifles, Lee Enfield types, SKS', and any handgun that isn't a revolver or 1911. Although it's a good time for them to buy a real handgun now :D ------------- 
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 12:29am
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Wow. New York is now worse than Canada when it comes to gun control. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 1:16am
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This new round of gun control "discussion" is driving me crazy. It's times like this where I get torn between my conservative and liberal head voices. Mostly because I detest the idea of a nanny state deciding what's best for the people against the majority rule.
Just wait until this stuff starts hitting the national scale. It seems to me that the vast majority of gun control legislation right now amounts to "Oh, I've never actually seen or held a gun but that one looks scary so ban it." At least if they went after pistols it would make sense-this is ignorance at its finest. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 8:01am
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All this legislation does is make legal, law-abiding gun owners in the state of NY accidental criminals with this legislation. Essentially they've been given a choice. Either register your weapon and have it not be transferable, or break the law and claim you no longer have said weapon. It's going to create a black market making it even harder to trace the weapons to crimes and hold people accountable. It's a classic example of prohibition-era "feel-good morality" laws creating the very problems they were attempting to prevent. The difference is that at the end of prohibition, it's biggest promoters realized it was a mistake that created organized crime as we know it and admitted that it was a failed experiment. Today, people are so entrenched in their political affiliations and products of a society where blame is couched in the term "accountability" that they'll never ever admit that their own legislation is what is going to cause there to be an uptake in black market sales in the state of NY. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 9:22am
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Not to mention the hit that legitimate business is going to take in NY. No more magazines that hold more than 7 rounds, no more common sport rifles like the 10/22s, lever actions are going to be problematic... You're talking about an UPTICK in gun related crimes, though not necessarily violence related, and a downturn in businesses that can no longer sell popular guns or accessories in the state. And the whole time, the crack dealer in Newburgh is making 0 attempts to register his guns or limit his magazine capacities. ------------- ? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 9:30am
Meanwhile, I just bought my FAL receiver.  Had to get it in before MD goes full retards as well. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 10:27am
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The federal recommendations are due out any day now. I don't really think NY is going to be alone in its insanity for very long.
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 10:43am
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Wonder if this movement will pick up steam? http://washingtonexaminer.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-bill-to-nullify-new-federal-gun-laws/article/2518133#.UPa97Ge8CSo" rel="nofollow - http://washingtonexaminer.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-bill-to-nullify-new-federal-gun-laws/article/2518133#.UPa97Ge8CSo ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 10:51am
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There's a bill in Texas proposing to prosecute any feds who enter the state with the intention to enforce any of the coming gun legislation. It won't pass, I'm sure, but the dissent is definitely there. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 1:00pm
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http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-asks-doctors-help-deal-guns_696121.html -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 1:11pm
I think Indiana passed a similar law. Apparently it only applies to guns made and sold within the borders though. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 2:45pm
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Not to feed into the FEesque anti media BS, but I do find it odd that there seems to be very little being reported about this aspect of things. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 2:54pm
The media reports in NY are focusing on the 'keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill' aspects of this thing, and mentioning very little about the more intrusive aspects of it. Its no secret that Cuomo wants the White house in a few years, so he rush-jobbed things to be able to put out a bill before Biden did so he can say "See what I did there?" when it comes time to convince the Federal level democrats that he's the man for the nomination. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldpbnoob
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 3:05pm
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Whats sad, is I am really all for stricter controls on who is able to purchase guns. The way I understand it, if you walk into a gun shop you have to register, but if you go to a gun show you don't? I am assuming the reasoning behind it was that at a gun show it is a personal sale vs new gun sale at a shop? Either way it seems like a pretty ugly loophole that gives sketchy nut jobs easy access to guns they really shouldnt have. ------------- "When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 3:25pm
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According to a freind here that is a Constitutional Lawyer and does Federal Cases, the new NY Law will not stand a good constitutional review and will lose in the Supreme Court if it goes now while the courts are as they are. The NRA should be on this. The crux of the case is a totally inadequite definition of 'assault rifle' that is the base of the magazine issue. The original 10rds was based on a compromise between manufacturers and the Feds during the 1994 'ban'. The arbitrary '7' rounds is a total harrasement issue as it is well known several sport as well as classic collectors have 8-10 'standard' can not be readily adapted clips or magazines, M1 Garand, Lee-Enfield, as well as lever actions for sport hunting and cowboy action shooting. If Ruger was smart they would throw out a Ruger 7/22 and flood the NY market with a $200 .22 semi, just to prove a point. He as well as his peer's see the NY Law as a pre decided we need to wait for a crisis fast fiasco to boost a political agenda rather than address the issue. He and his buds are with me, all this law did was make 70% of the legal gun owners in NY now criminals and will not affect the criminal elements aquisition of these weapons at all, matter of fact will create a growing criminal enterprise in the trafficing of these weapons (see drugs and prohibition). -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 4:23pm
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I am still sick over it. The Diaz bill is completely ridiculous and even covers LEO's. You can own a 10 round pre NY ban magazine BUT you can not put more the 7 rounds in it...**edited** ?? I can keep the "evil features" but have to register them ever 5 years. You can buy ammo BUT must have a NICS check done each and every time....I would have to either sell my pre ban 1994 hi-cap magazines or turn them in or destroy them. Now I am worried about the registration of them because I think shortly after that I will have them confiscated and I will be arrested and sent to prison or a re education camp somewhere out side Albany... ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 7:05pm
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I don't know if any if you caught Obama's gun control suggestions today, but there's a list out there. I gotta say-he impressed me. His actual executive decisions (if you will I'm not sure that they're orders just yet) were basically common sense "expand on existing laws" type suggestions. He presented to Congress that they should discuss the AWB and high cap laws but he wouldn't be putting them through executive orders. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 10:11pm
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Well he can't put them through by executive order, and frankly I didn't think he would try. He might have tried to get hi-capacity magazines paired with semi-automatics considered a destructive device by BATFE. They did it with the Striker-12 and some other shotguns with detachable magazines. He can also force through some pretty severe import restrictions to drive up the prices. The NY law does some things right and a lot of things horribly, reducing the magazine capacity allowed by 3 rounds was dumb and a total thumb in the eye of just about every gun owner. A NICS check for ammunition sales just might overload the federal system, I know states run them out of hubs, but holy crap is that going to be a bad time and cost a lot of money, I don't know what's wrong with being able to use a permit for that purpose. I can see checks for magazine purchases, but for every ammo sale, it's a lot to ask. I'm sure they'll try to pay for it with a $.50 tax on every bullet or something else stupid. Overriding local authority in permit issuance sounds like a potential nightmare and another case of NYC bending the rest of the state over. A lot of the provisions of that bill should not pass constitutional muster. Either the NY Ban will poison the well at the federal level for even sane gun control measures, or make Feinstien's bill look reasonable and appealing. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 16 January 2013 at 10:36pm
State/local rules vary, but rifles/shotguns are not registered anywhere except stringent anti-gun locations like NYC and DC. Handguns may or may not be registered, NJ they are. The reason why many people have an issue with gunshows is a NICS (National Instant Criminal System) check is done whenever you buy a gun from a store. Whereas at a gunshow anyone can buy a gun since it isn't illegal to sell someone a gun who is over 18 and lives in the same state. The left typically wants to propose a ton of -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 12:03am
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Actually, dealers at gun shows are still required to do checks, individuals are not. The vast majority of guns under the roof of a gunshow require a background check to purchase. I still feel a way to run background checks for private sales would do a lot, provided there was mandated reporting for lost and stolen guns, and I wouldn't mind if background check data were held on to for longer than 24 hrs. A registration database gets expensive, but it possible to make gun transfers more traceable after the fact to make prosecution of straw purchasers more feasible. I actually favor every executive action President Obama signed today, since they allow current laws to be more enforceable. Some might be wasted effort and garnered a "meh" response, but nothing unbearable. I hope whatever congressional action takes place looks more like what the president did today and less like what NY did yesterday. I'd call my congressman, but...Gerrymandering. My opinion means jack-all. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 12:18am
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I didn't finish my post before. Oops. I think a big reason why a lot isn't accomplished is because the left aims for sweeping bans on guns that really has no affect on crime, and the right has the stance of "not one inch" as to not let the left out of control. In NJ, you're required to get an ID before you can go buy guns, which I think is effective. If there were a federal firearms ID that allowed you to do whatever you wanted (carry/transportation/purchasing/selling) in all American territories I think it would be great. People would be happy because it really restricts those who shouldn't have guns, and lets gun owners use their rights without issue. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 5:41am
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We don't need national firearm IDs, we need national IDs for everyone. The law that requires vehicles made after 2015, to have black boxes. Isn't strict enough. All vehicles on the road should have the same device. What we could do, is require everyone to use a registered cell phones. Obviously newer ones with GPS capability. We also need to switch to a cashless society. This would cut down on numerous illegal activities. And also would help the fed reserve save time and money, due to not having to print money. When need stricter laws, now. It has obviously been shown, Americans have not been able to protect themselves. Nor has the state and local law enforcement. We really should think about repealing the 10th amendment. Obviously our founding fathers could have never envisioned such a complex society that we live in today. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 6:39am
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Couple of things I picked up last night listening to some of our instructors, if you already HAVE a magazine that's 8+ on a carry piece, you can use it, but its a misdemeanor to have more than 7 rounds in it. And, apparently, this bill does NOT exempt LEOs from the magazine or AW ownership ban. ------------- ? |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 8:02am
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Yep, they did a number on you. LE as well as civilian, and to create a more 'peacefull' NY. Listen in the Bronx right now not a single gunshot heard....blissfull isn't it. Thats what a my bud said, you just put 7 rounds in any mag you are legal by the wording of the law. He says that the NRA is already preping for the court fight, and a Fed Judge in SEDNY is on board. So I guess it is time to get that big .44mag you always dreamed of, a good old S&W Model 29, the chief will sign off on that................. So no Law Enforcement, Private Security firm excemption, bet the elite libs are mad as hell that their personal security while in NY will be limited. And from what I understand the Secret Service also must abide by the law, so no MP5's or big mag .40's, let's see if Obama visits anytime soon. Wonder what Cuomo's security carries, and do they get a 'special pass'. -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 8:39am
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This is just Dandy Andy's resume' fluff for his presidential bid. Mayor Mike probably whispering in his ear. IF the courts side in gun owners favor things might be easier but no one is counting on that. People are already looking to move to different states that are gun friendly. My wife is looking at homes in PA close to the Jersey border so my commute will be closer. Diaz who wrote the SAFE act admitted it will not solve anything when he cast his vote. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 10:25am
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As soon as my certificate for law enforcement is done, I'm gonna spend a year or two in municipal police, and get the hell out of the state. NY law enforcement certification is a ticket for just about anywhere else. My wife likes pennsylvania, and I'm not opposed to that either. ------------- ? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 11:11am
PA township taxes Suuuuuuuuuuck. My vote is Fairfax County PD in VA or MoCo PD here in MD. I know this nice, quiet neighborhood in the rural part of the county where a bunch of police officers live. There's an 01FFL on the street that gives the friends and family discount, and rush-hour traffic is literally 5 horses. Lots of kids Jack's age, good schools. City pay at country living prices. And you'd be close to forum members like Shorty BP Tallen702 and Picasso..... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 11:20am
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Tallen, taxes in PA are great, as are housing prices. At least in the area Cessman was looking into. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 11:57am
You mean close to the armpit of America (NJ)? No thanks. If you want to move to PA, move to the Lehigh Valley near Jim Thorpe. Beautiful up there. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 8:54pm
My wife and I still are actively looking. I need to be about an hour drive from Pine Brook NJ. I have one year to find a new home and 2 months before my hi caps become felony material. Now the real bad news, I just found out my name had been released on Gawker's pdf naming who has pistols in the NYC area.... ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 9:28pm
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If you do decide to move to the area, you have to join my range. It's $25 a year and you can basically do whatever you want. The worst part about the area you're looking into is the local pizza is god awful and borderline edible, and the Stroudsburg walmart is scary. Talent, NJ may be bad, but at least it isn't the inbreeding capital :D -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 17 January 2013 at 10:21pm
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I don't get it, having an picture ID for voting a another constitutional right, the right to vote, is a prejudicial and immoral and 'unconstitutional act. So A picture Voting Rights ID Card is verbotten, but a National Fire Arm Owner ID Card is needed, go figure. But having gun owners register and have an ID on call for anytime you want to engage in another constitutional right is OK with the lefty's. BTW Lincoln and Omaha are hiring Reb, great cost of living, really low property costs as well as property taxes, and we are a 'Red' State of 'Rednecks' and 'Gun Owners' per the local lefty's. You will be right at home here, and only a 24hour AMTRAK ride to Albany. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 18 January 2013 at 6:45am
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Move to Texas. Most of our departments start out at close to 50K and the cost of living is super low (my neighbors' 1700 sq foot house just sold for 80K.) Hunting leases everywhere, lakes within an hour of you no matter what, and more guns than teeth. Not to mention all of the government land around here if you're into shotguns or bows. -------------
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Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 18 January 2013 at 1:14pm
------------- Face it guys, common sense is a form of wealth and we're surrounded by poverty.-Strato |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 January 2013 at 1:35pm
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Remember Reb, if you move to the DC Metro area, I can cook for you. /end of contest, I win. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 18 January 2013 at 2:19pm
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forget that let's move to Mexico and Eric Holden will sell you all the Assault Weapons you want at bellow cost! /better than Tallen ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 18 January 2013 at 5:12pm
This made me lol far more than it should have. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 18 January 2013 at 6:27pm
How are you going to cook for him? Think about it. Once the assault weapons ban is in place it is only a matter of time before they go after other weapons. And, given the examples posted in this thread, do you think they will really remember to provide an exemption for chefs when they outlaw knives? ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 January 2013 at 11:54pm
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Well, there's a bright spot I guess. There's a lawyer in Buffalo that's completely dismantling this new law set and is planning on challenging the constitutionality of it. There's also talks of amending the plan to exempt law enforcement officers from certain aspects of it. One of our instructors tonight is a County Sheriff, and he said that despite the law having been signed already, they've received NO instructions from Albany in regards to what is enforceable and what is still being worked on. These guys are going on with 'business as usual.' ------------- ? |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 19 January 2013 at 2:07am
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If he moves to Wisconsin, he can drink beer with me. /thread.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 19 January 2013 at 3:10am
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If he moves to PA, he'll have fresh Yuengling and can drink with Ceesman762 and I. -------------
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 19 January 2013 at 11:55am
Plus, think how safe he'll be with a state government that does stuff like http://news.yahoo.com/pa-kindergartner-suspended-bubble-gun-remark-035057936.html" rel="nofollow - this .
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 19 January 2013 at 12:42pm
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NC will let you keep all your guns. And we have both mountains and the Outer Banks. Check and mate, Rest of America.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 19 January 2013 at 1:29pm
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Move to Michigan - It just sucks here, and every one is complacent. ------------- |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 19 January 2013 at 3:24pm
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Why would the supreme court consider the NY law unconstitutional. I mean we have the Patriot Act and NDAA. Why would they care about a few silly gun laws. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 19 January 2013 at 6:11pm
I think Bush & Obama put the Constitution in the back of the White House's garden shed behind the slip & slide and JFK jr's Big Wheel. -------------
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 20 January 2013 at 5:02pm
| What ever happened to us all moving to China for that millionaire's daughter? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 20 January 2013 at 9:04pm
I beat you all to it. $B$ ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |