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Topic: So I did something tonight...
Posted By: stratoaxe
Subject: So I did something tonight...
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 2:13am
....that I'm rather proud of.
 
Yes, this is an FB post but unfortunately for reasons you guys will see in a sec I can't really do that.
 
As I've posted before, I struggle with alcoholism. Not the "woe is me I must now drink until I die" kind of alcoholism but the "holy crap I love drinking" type. Not that I'm segregating alcies here, but my previous posts on this subject were quite depressing and I don't want to mislead you guys in to thinking I suffer from eternal self pity.

Anyhoo, I've done better over the past year in realizing that A:) I have a definite problem and B:) all the crap and excuses I come up with don't change the fact that I'm the one who tips the bottle and therefore am solely responsible for my backslidings.

Despite my marked improvement, however, I tend to think of this as an all or nothing endeavor. I look at it that I'm either sober and living or drinking and dying. Throughout the past few months I've taken steps in both directions for a myriad of self delusional reasons but oddly enough it's a purely narcissistic pursuit that's changed my ideologies-I love working out. In fact, I've become a little OCD about it. I religiously measure, weigh, and grade myself and chastise myself for my various shortcomings.

One of my biggest pitfalls is that drinking dilutes my ability to get in shape. This is, for me, a massive source of shame and probably the first real awakening I've dealt with that I'm only partially in control of this situation. It allowed me to envision myself as small and helpless to my problem instead of the dark and brooding victim that I had once enjoyed painting.

TL;DR-I've been drinking alot lately. Last week I went out with some friends and attempted to put my foot down by designating myself as the, er, designated driver. This of course led to "go ahead and get me some Wild Turkey shots" which led to me going hoping and drinking myself unconscious by myself.

When I went outside the next morning, I discovered that my friends had left gas money in my car and a lovely bouquet of 6 packs in my back seat along with a bottle of Wild Turkey which amazes me because my friends make alot of money and I'm dirt poor.

Today, I indulged in about 4 of the beers and realized that I'm acting like a child with a problem that I should be dealing with as an adult. So I drug my happy ass to the kitchen and about 20 minutes ago I poured out 6 6 packs of Budweiser Black Crown and a full bottle of Wild Turkey.

Most of you (if you've made it this far) are probably like "So-?" But for me, this felt amazing. It was like looking the lion in the mouth and saying "Nope, not this time."

Carry on with your days.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 4:47am
Congrats. Like they say knowing you have a problem is the hardest bit.

Good luck and think about professional help.

KBK

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 7:13am
A lot of people who quit mind altering substances, will quickly pick up another "addiction". Common ones are working out, gambling, sex, food etc. We are still trying to use external things to fill the hole, that alcohol/drugs use to fill. Except the booze and drugs quit working, and started getting us into trouble.

Alcohol was never my problem, but my solution. I had to fix the problem, to resolve my drinking issue. But I also had to realize I'm addicted to more. In the fact that, if something makes me feel good, I want more of it. To the point that it makes my life unmanageable. Unmanageable being the key word. So I have to take a honest look at myself, and determine what is unmanageable, and if any outside thing causing my life to become unmanageable. But to keep external things from making my life unmanageable, I must constantly keep applying the solution that originally got me sober.

Good luck my friend. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM.




Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 9:52am
Good for you. Its the little things that mean a lot. You should talk to your friends, and next time you go out make sure you drive and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. It is a lot easier if you know you can't drink since you're driving.

Plus, that Black Crown kind of tastes like crap anyway. Next time mail me the Wild Turkey though.


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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 11:45am
Good on you Strato.  I was quite the heavy drinker.  When I wasn't at work or sleeping, I was drinking.  My nightcap after work was bare minimum 6 ice beers every day.  I'd get up and drink more.  I had the will power to stop 4 hrs before my shift.  Didn't want to get fired for coming in drunk.  That would severely impact my ability to drink.
 
After awhile, I realized that I didn't bounce back from the hangovers like I used to.  In fact, they were turning into a drag.  My health was starting to slip as well.  I had to focus my energies elsewhere like hanging with friends, joining a Tae Kwon Do class and then into powerlifting.  Now married with children, I rarely drink anymore.  It is rare that the fridge is without beer, but where it took me a day or two to finish off a case of beer, it now takes about a month to finish a 12 pack between my wife and I.  You can beat it.  You just have to want to beat it.  Dumping the beer and booze was a great start!  Congrats.


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

After awhile, I realized that I didn't bounce back from the hangovers like I used to.  In fact, they were turning into a drag. 


This. One "never again" was exactly that. I still drink and I still drink quite a lot sometimes but I haven't been "drunk" and had a hangover in about 6 years, if not more.

KBK

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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 6:33pm

Thanks for the kind words guys. It's always at least nice to know other people have dealt with the same issues.

 
Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

But I also had to realize I'm addicted to more. In the fact that, if something makes me feel good, I want more of it.
 
I think this is the real bottom line of my issues. This goes well beyond alcohol and more in to a self destructive desire to constantly feel good. I think what scared me the most is the idea that I'm developing into an unstable person who won't be able to hold a job or a normal life because as soon as stress or anxiety creeps in I run to something that makes me feel good. I think it's been a very helpful introspective into areas that have been plaguing me for years.
It's an entire mindset that really cripples you over time. It's why my brother and I suck at relationships. I've posted my "intimacy" issues on the forum before, but it really comes back to the idea that women get piled in to this "feel good" attitude and get treated like objects. I think I've missed out on some amazing oppurtunities with girls I really liked or cared for because I chose the quick lay over the relationships. I regret all of this now, but you can't go back.

And that's what alcoholism is to me-regret. You just look back on the memories you could have had versus the things you can't remember or want to forget.
Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

After awhile, I realized that I didn't bounce back from the hangovers like I used to. In fact, they were turning into a drag.
 
This is actually the one upside to being a binging alcoholic. Unlike the "wake up in the morning and start popping beers" variety that runs in my family, my body tends to kick my ass pretty hard here lately. I don't think I even really experience hangovers until last year-now just getting a buzz results in vomiting, acid reflux, and a terrible headache that goes on for a couple of days sometimes.

Being sick all of the time really wakes you up. I've got to where I get a nice little high from working out that's actually satisfying and comes with a next morning that actually makes me feel BETTER about myself. I've started bicycling, taking my rottie for walks, actually associating with other humans on a level that doesn't involve blacking out and making a fool of myself.




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Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 9:13pm
takes a lot of courage to come to the place your at.  Get some help, even if it's just someone you trust that you can phone when you are tempted, gl with this.  

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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 06 February 2013 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

A lot of people who quit mind altering substances, will quickly pick up another "addiction". Common ones are working out, gambling, sex, food etc. We are still trying to use external things to fill the hole, that alcohol/drugs use to fill. Except the booze and drugs quit working, and started getting us into trouble.

Alcohol was never my problem, but my solution. I had to fix the problem, to resolve my drinking issue. But I also had to realize I'm addicted to more. In the fact that, if something makes me feel good, I want more of it. To the point that it makes my life unmanageable. Unmanageable being the key word. So I have to take a honest look at myself, and determine what is unmanageable, and if any outside thing causing my life to become unmanageable. But to keep external things from making my life unmanageable, I must constantly keep applying the solution that originally got me sober.

Good luck my friend. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM.



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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 February 2013 at 8:42am
I've had many friends go through this... Glad you recognize the problem. I knew growing up with my personality that drinking would be a personal "no no" for me. So I never started, way too many family members with serious issues from drinking...

I did watch it destroy many friends lives though, some were able to beat it, others we buried, and a few are living in trailers last I heard...

You may want to think about different friends, as kicking it cold often is much easier when the temptation isn't in your face. 


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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 07 February 2013 at 5:04pm
I've always been kind of tongue in cheek about drinking. I don't think I necessarily have a problem (he says) I know I don't have a problem at the minute. A person with a drinking problem needs alcohol. Whereas I've already got some. I am drinking a bit more than is good for me. It seems in Glasgow if you're not in the pub or club at the weekend then you'll be on the couch. Saying that recently the shine has come off of it. I suppose I'm at the stage I'm just a bit bored with it.

I do have a mate that is currently having a bit of a problem. His personality was always one that if he took a shine to something then he would go for it pretty hard. It used to be E when I first noticed but that phase in our lives dried up a few years ago. He is currently on the wagon so here's hoping he can stick it out.

I'm glad you've not let it become a problem and found other things to fill the gap. I think it's really good you've addressed it and then actually acted on it. Something I reckon I should be doing but I'm a bit busy procrastinating just now.


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 07 February 2013 at 5:23pm
Strato, Thumbs Up

Also, FE gives good advice below:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

You may want to think about different friends, as kicking it cold often is much easier when the temptation isn't in your face. 




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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 07 February 2013 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by scotchyscotch scotchyscotch wrote:

It seems in Glasgow if you're not in the pub or club at the weekend then you'll be on the couch. Saying that recently the shine has come off of it. I suppose I'm at the stage I'm just a bit bored with it.

It's roughly the same here in Texas.
 
You get used to involving beer or liquor with everything around here. Fishing? You drink. Listening to music? You drink. Hanging with friends? You drink.
 
Then you eventually reach an age where you're the one buying the liquor for your friends so you always have a stock at the house. Then one day you realize you don't have to wait on them to get there-you can just drink on your own. It's like waking up and realizing there's an arcade in your garage-what the hell were you even going out and using your quarters for to begin with?
 
Being an alcy is expensive too. When you're in college you start looking for ways to economize your buzz so you go out and less and drink alone more. I think that's how you start the habit.
 
I do agree with you though-I don't consider myself "diseased," I consider myself perpetually bored. That's the trouble with self diagnosing something like this. You have this image of old men with five o' clock shadows who wake up and brain sex themselves with Mad Dog 20/20 or Boone's Farm and you kind of wait to turn in to that.
 
But then you see guys like Bradley Cooper and read about their restraining orders and blackout humiliations and realize that there's really no face to the habit (I say habit instead of disease because I feel like using the term disease removes the inherit responsibility factor.)

I think that Impulse hit the nail on the head-it's not the alcohol you get addicted to, it's just being high in general.


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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 07 February 2013 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Strato, Thumbs Up

Also, FE gives good advice below:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

You may want to think about different friends, as kicking it cold often is much easier when the temptation isn't in your face. 


 
Yeah...I'm realizing more and more I have some less than desireable friends.
 
Sometimes one of the crappiest things you have to do in life is to realize that you've "leveled" above your friends. When you're trying to better your life and they're antagonizing you for it I guess you have to rething what your definition of "friend" really is.


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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 07 February 2013 at 8:18pm
Yeah, it ain't fun... I've done it many times, and it is hard to do... But, necessary if you have different goals then the guys you are hanging out with. 


I had it explained recently to me this way. Guardrails. 


We all see them and they are located at a place that is safe, but if you go PAST the guardrail, you are in big trouble. So do your actions/friends push you to walk on top of the guardrail or do they want you to stay on the street far away from danger.

As I'm sure you've gathered I had some friends that LIVED on the other side of the guardrail, hanging on for dear life. It was fun over there, but as I got older, I realized I was putting myself at major risk by hanging out with those guys. As you get older, you will see that many of the guys that you were once close with aren't "helping" you toward your life goals. Which is why friends are so important, as they have a huge impact in our lives. Some good, and some bad... Even if "our" outlook and goals are different, our friends choices can directly affect us. 

I'll be praying for you, as you deal with this stuff. I'm sure it ain't easy.


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 February 2013 at 4:16am
Strato, that's seriously admirable. I have a seriously close friend back home, one I met in kindergarten and have been close to for over 20 years now. Whenever I go home I spend 60-75% of my time with him. Lately when I've been home I've noticed that he's started drinking a decent amount pretty much daily. I had to talked to him about it, because that kind of **edited** can be seriously scary pretty easily, and I'd hate to see that since I know there are already issues with it in his family.

It's a strong thing to recognize it yourself and do something about it. All the best in kicking it, and hope whatever your tolerance/ stance is in the future works for you.


Posted By: deadeye007
Date Posted: 08 February 2013 at 1:46pm
I always found it odd how quick a "friend" would toss you a beer, but not give support for a decision to not drink.

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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 08 February 2013 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by deadeye007 deadeye007 wrote:

I always found it odd how quick a "friend" would toss you a beer, but not give support for a decision to not drink.

That's a good shout.


Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 08 February 2013 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Strato, Thumbs Up

Also, FE gives good advice below:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

You may want to think about different friends, as kicking it cold often is much easier when the temptation isn't in your face. 


 
Yeah...I'm realizing more and more I have some less than desireable friends.
 
Sometimes one of the crappiest things you have to do in life is to realize that you've "leveled" above your friends. When you're trying to better your life and they're antagonizing you for it I guess you have to rething what your definition of "friend" really is.
This. I dropped out of college for a while because I inadvertently decided smoking pot and playing video games was a better use of my time than getting an education, or meeting girls, or having a worthwhile job, etc. I was spending way too much time with a friend who still does almost nothing but smoke and play video games. It was always my decision to join him, but it feels like a great idea when you have someone sitting next to you being your personal enabler. It's a very sobering moment when one of your best friends from grade school tells you that they feel like they are outgrowing you and your friendship, and that you are wasting your potential.

It's very hard to ignore the environment you are exposing yourself to.

Anyways, Congrats on taking control of your life Strato, its not easy, but it's definitely worth the work.


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Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 08 February 2013 at 9:42pm
im kinda with you in that im not drinking as much as used to. i like to think that at 24 my wild party days are behind me. i guess that the 2 situations that happend in my life recently were the keys. the first being going over to see my dad and hes passed out the couch by noon, and when he does get up stumbles around in a drunken stupor. the other being an old drinking buddy of mine having a heart attack at 26, and legally dying for a couple minutes. im not sure if he has any family history of heart disease but it was definatly a slap in the face to sober the **edited** up.

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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 08 February 2013 at 10:14pm
I think I'm probably the aforementioned enabler . Me and my friend are both at a stage were we know it's T total from now on though.

However I have found myself drinking with him after a spell of sobriety thinking that it was important that he know he can have a social drink without it getting out of hand. I now know this isn't how this thing really works.

I suppose I just wanted to say that it's not always bad friends that make bad decisions.


Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 12:27am
I agree I've always felt it's way too easy for other people to say you should drink but never stand by your decision not to.

Fortunately I've always set myself up as 1) the designated driver, so I always have an excuse 2)my work required no alcohol 12 hours before shift. This has been reduced to 8 though, but it was always easy to "blame" work when I didn't want to drink, and people always respected that. If it is "forced" on you, you're still good to go in their books and they don't try get you to drink.

Maybe come up with a reason not to that isn't your choice?

KBK

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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 2:38am
I had a huge fear of telling people I quit drinking. For the fact that they might say "Why? You don't have a problem" But about 98% of the people I told I quit drinking, responded with " Really? Good for you Colin!".

Then it hit me like a ton of bricks of how people really recognized the progression I had made. Long before I ever did. I only had 1 drinking friend tell me, " Well if you just went to college with me, you wouldn't be a alcoholic, just a college student haha...."

My drinking buddies were the last ones I told that I quit drinking, because in the beginning I had what they call reservations. 1 foot in sobriety, while 1 foot was in my old life style. Now, I have no problem telling anyone that I don't drink. If they ask why, I will respond a in a few different ways, my favorite being. "I'm allergic to alcohol" They usually stare and say really? Then I lay out the punchline " I break out in handcuffs" Usually gets a good laugh, whether it's genuine or nervous. If people keep asking questions (which is rare), I'll flat out tell them I'm a recovering alcoholic. I don't do this because I feel obligated. But for the fact that they might know someone who has a problem, or they themselves think they have a problem. And that they will ask, or remember down the road, someone (me) who use to get in trouble drinking, and found a way out.

A lot of suggestions were thrown at me early in my sobriety to help me abstain. Like what other people have mention,change my playground and playmates. It was very easy to quit hanging out at the bar, and with strictly drinking buddies. But when it came to social events, and friends I had since grade school. It was a little more precarious. I had to become grounded enough in my program, loooong before I was ready to be around drinking. Now, I have no problem being around it, as long as my intentions are pure. Am I there to enjoy the company of my fellow friends, or something else? Am I there to display tomy friends, who could probably slow down or quit drinking, that it is possible to have fun without drinking? When people get in trouble, is when they hang out at a old stomping grounds, to get a "contact" high from the atmosphere. What they really want, is the chaos that comes along with bars and excessive drinking. Like in the movie Changing Lanes with Samuel Jackson and Ben Affleck. Jackson is sober, but is involved with some serious chaos that lands him in jail. His sponsor (guide) comes and bails him out. His sponsor starts ripping him a new one, wondering why he was playing stupid games. Jackson replies " But I didn't drink, isn't that the point?!". His sponsor calmly replies, "You know what, you aren't even addicted to alcohol, you are addicted to chaos"

In early sobriety, I would mistaken serenity for boredom. And when I was bored back in the day, I would drink. Nothing more exciting than that. When I got sober, I no longer wanted THAT much chaos, but just a little, to you know, have "fun". So I was doing all kinds of crazy crap, like speeding on the freeway, to a slew of other things. Which were all making my life unmanageable. Now a days, I love serenity, and don't take it for granted. But, I still like chaos, just in smaller doses. For example I work at a detox facility. Which has plenty of somewhat controlled chaos. But the nice thing is, once I punch out, I leave it at work.

I'm definitely not a saint, but this way of life is all about progress, not perfection.


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 4:13am
Originally posted by scotchyscotch scotchyscotch wrote:

However I have found myself drinking with him after a spell of sobriety thinking that it was important that he know he can have a social drink without it getting out of hand. I now know this isn't how this thing really works.


This is something I hate about alcoholism/ addiction, is that it owns you even long after you're not doing it anymore. I mean, returning to "normal" would be being able to have a beer or two/ wine or two over dinner, or a few during a poker night, or whatever your thing is. But alcoholism seems to destroy that ability, that it's all or nothing. It's always a far better decision to go without, alcohol is hard on you, but losing its social value is a shame.


Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 4:47am
I do think there is a difference between being an alcoholic and drinking too much.

Maybe splitting hairs and the like, but not being able to function without alcohol in your life and partying too hard are rather different tracks. I know I used to drink WAY too much for what is healthy, but in the same vein I eat too much junk food and sugars than is healthy now so what's really the difference?

Getting blotto every weekend because you are out partying may mean you need to adjust your recreational events.

KBK


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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 5:01am
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

I do think there is a difference between being an alcoholic and drinking too much.

Maybe splitting hairs and the like, but not being able to function without alcohol in your life and partying too hard are rather different tracks. I know I used to drink WAY too much for what is healthy, but in the same vein I eat too much junk food and sugars than is healthy now so what's really the difference?

Getting blotto every weekend because you are out partying may mean you need to adjust your recreational events.

KBK

Agreed


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 5:19am
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

I do think there is a difference between being an alcoholic and drinking too much.

Maybe splitting hairs and the like, but not being able to function without alcohol in your life and partying too hard are rather different tracks. I know I used to drink WAY too much for what is healthy, but in the same vein I eat too much junk food and sugars than is healthy now so what's really the difference?

Getting blotto every weekend because you are out partying may mean you need to adjust your recreational events.

KBK


There is a difference between hard drinkers, and alcoholics. A commonly used humerous example is this. There are two drunks in a holding cell, both got DUIs. The hard drinker is saying to himself " Why did I drink so much, I knew better than that, and was even stupider to drive." The alcoholic is having a similar conversation, but slightly different " Man... why did I take the freeway"

I was mostly a binge drinker, I never became physically addicted to alcohol. But I now realize I was an alcoholic long before I picked up my first drink.

I will copy and paste some definitions, but our internet is extremely slow right now, and can't even open a PDF file.


Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 5:23am
Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by scotchyscotch scotchyscotch wrote:

However I have found myself drinking with him after a spell of sobriety thinking that it was important that he know he can have a social drink without it getting out of hand. I now know this isn't how this thing really works.


This is something I hate about alcoholism/ addiction, is that it owns you even long after you're not doing it anymore. I mean, returning to "normal" would be being able to have a beer or two/ wine or two over dinner, or a few during a poker night, or whatever your thing is. But alcoholism seems to destroy that ability, that it's all or nothing. It's always a far better decision to go without, alcohol is hard on you, but losing its social value is a shame.


Alcohol is a great social lubricant, for those who are moderate/social drinkers. But in reality, if I were to pick any disease to have. This is the one I would choose hands down. Compared to cancer, Parkinson's, dementia etc etc.
Talk about diseases that own you. Makes one grateful.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

In early sobriety, I would mistaken serenity for boredom. And when I was bored back in the day, I would drink. Nothing more exciting than that. When I got sober, I no longer wanted THAT much chaos, but just a little, to you know, have "fun". So I was doing all kinds of crazy crap, like speeding on the freeway, to a slew of other things. Which were all making my life unmanageable. Now a days, I love serenity, and don't take it for granted. But, I still like chaos, just in smaller doses. For example I work at a detox facility. Which has plenty of somewhat controlled chaos. But the nice thing is, once I punch out, I leave it at work.
Man, I can completely relate to this. I've got so bored the past two or three days I get what I call "boredom headaches." It's like my brain is on fire. So I've run about 300 miles on my car in two weeks just driving and wasting gas.
It's funny, I'll sit and do absolutely nothing because everything sounds dull and boring in my mind without alcohol, but the minute I start doing something (watching TV, reading, video games, etc) I feel fine.
 
I think it's why I never drink during school. I always have something to do.

Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

Alcohol is a great social lubricant, for those who are moderate/social drinkers. But in reality, if I were to pick any disease to have. This is the one I would choose hands down. Compared to cancer, Parkinson's, dementia etc etc.
Talk about diseases that own you. Makes one grateful.
 
For sure. That's why I generally stop short of calling it a disease-a cancer patient didn't choose their disease, it chose them. I have a symbiotic relationship with alcohol-I feed off of it and it destroys me. I love alcohol and the high it gives and that's what keeps me coming back.
 
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Maybe splitting hairs and the like, but not being able to function without alcohol in your life and partying too hard are rather different tracks. I know I used to drink WAY too much for what is healthy, but in the same vein I eat too much junk food and sugars than is healthy now so what's really the difference?
 
Here's a test I've come up with to tell if you're binge-a-holic like myself. Go to a restaurant and order a mixed drink with your meal. What happens next?

If you say you finish your meal and maybe order another one then congrats-you're a social drinker. If, however, I do that-I get a headache. It's like I've started a puzzle and it's now sitting half empty in my mind. The margarita has now become the focal point of the meal and frankly the food is meaningless to me at that point.
 
When I go eat with my parents, I specifically pick places that serve mixed drinks and I ride with them. My binge drinking is planned long before I start, even if I don't realize I'm doing it. When I get there, I don't look over the menu. Typically I order a Patron margarita and  talk the waitress into making it just slightly stronger. Food-meaningless. Seriously, I'll order fish tacos and not finish all 3 of them yet run up a 50 dollar tab in margaritas.
 
Any other restaurant, I'll order Jagerbombs at noon. Seriously, I've learned to equate eating out with drinking.
 
The other thing I've noticed that scares me is that I can't talk to people when I'm sober. I tend to be slightly grumpy and antisocial and people piss me off for no reason. I have great long conversations after a couple of beers and I start opening up emotionally to people.
 
I'm really glad I'm single right now-I'd hate to know what a girlfriend would feel like in this situation.
 
The good news is I'm 3 days down and feel pretty good. I've got a pretty good game plan-just wiping alcohol out of my planning. I've let all my friends know that I won't be drinking, making up stories to the more skeptical ones about school or liver problems, ulcers, etc etc. I figure if they think it's a medical reason they won't push me with it.
 
I've learned that it's silly to make absolute statements when it comes to addictions. Saying "I'll never take another drink again" is overly optimistic and, at least for me, it's much better to break it up in to small accomplishments than try to tackle the whole thing at one time.
 
As far as beer as a social tool-the good news is that I REALLY hate beer (it's a quantity versus reward problem for me-I get way bloated and sick before I actually get drunk) so a trip to the flying saucer usually lands me with a 6 dollar glass of imported beer that I'll sip all night and leave for the bartender. As long as I'm with people that aren't hard partiers I can generally handle drinking a single beer and moving on with my day.
 
A shot, on the other hand, will pretty much end with me blacking out or else being very grumpy.
 
 


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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:


As far as beer as a social tool-the good news is that I REALLY hate beer (it's a quantity versus reward problem for me-I get way bloated and sick before I actually get drunk)


Yup me too. Hate the stuff.

Remind me how old are you? I forget who's who in this zoo sometimes.

KBK

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Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2


Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:


Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by scotchyscotch scotchyscotch wrote:

However I have found myself drinking with him after a spell of sobriety thinking that it was important that he know he can have a social drink without it getting out of hand. I now know this isn't how this thing really works.


This is something I hate about alcoholism/ addiction, is that it owns you even long after you're not doing it anymore. I mean, returning to "normal" would be being able to have a beer or two/ wine or two over dinner, or a few during a poker night, or whatever your thing is. But alcoholism seems to destroy that ability, that it's all or nothing. It's always a far better decision to go without, alcohol is hard on you, but losing its social value is a shame.


Alcohol is a great social lubricant, for those who are moderate/social drinkers. But in reality, if I were to pick any disease to have. This is the one I would choose hands down. Compared to cancer, Parkinson's, dementia etc etc.
Talk about diseases that own you. Makes one grateful.


I've never heard that perspective on that issue before, that's a really good viewpoint. I'll have to try to remember that.


Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:


As far as beer as a social tool-the good news is that I REALLY hate beer (it's a quantity versus reward problem for me-I get way bloated and sick before I actually get drunk)


Yup me too. Hate the stuff.

Remind me how old are you? I forget who's who in this zoo sometimes.

KBK

Physically? 26.
 
Mentally? 12.


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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 09 February 2013 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

In early sobriety, I would mistaken serenity for boredom. And when I was bored back in the day, I would drink. Nothing more exciting than that. When I got sober, I no longer wanted THAT much chaos, but just a little, to you know, have "fun". So I was doing all kinds of crazy crap, like speeding on the freeway, to a slew of other things. Which were all making my life unmanageable. Now a days, I love serenity, and don't take it for granted. But, I still like chaos, just in smaller doses. For example I work at a detox facility. Which has plenty of somewhat controlled chaos. But the nice thing is, once I punch out, I leave it at work.
Man, I can completely relate to this. I've got so bored the past two or three days I get what I call "boredom headaches." It's like my brain is on fire. So I've run about 300 miles on my car in two weeks just driving and wasting gas.
It's funny, I'll sit and do absolutely nothing because everything sounds dull and boring in my mind without alcohol, but the minute I start doing something (watching TV, reading, video games, etc) I feel fine.
 
I think it's why I never drink during school. I always have something to do.

Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

Alcohol is a great social lubricant, for those who are moderate/social drinkers. But in reality, if I were to pick any disease to have. This is the one I would choose hands down. Compared to cancer, Parkinson's, dementia etc etc.
Talk about diseases that own you. Makes one grateful.
 
For sure. That's why I generally stop short of calling it a disease-a cancer patient didn't choose their disease, it chose them. I have a symbiotic relationship with alcohol-I feed off of it and it destroys me. I love alcohol and the high it gives and that's what keeps me coming back.

It was a extreme example, but true the none less. For me, only speaking for me, I never chose alcoholism. I did choose to drink, but never to have a allergy of the body that made me drink to oblivion.
 
Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Maybe splitting hairs and the like, but not being able to function without alcohol in your life and partying too hard are rather different tracks. I know I used to drink WAY too much for what is healthy, but in the same vein I eat too much junk food and sugars than is healthy now so what's really the difference?
 
Here's a test I've come up with to tell if you're binge-a-holic like myself. Go to a restaurant and order a mixed drink with your meal. What happens next?

If you say you finish your meal and maybe order another one then congrats-you're a social drinker. If, however, I do that-I get a headache. It's like I've started a puzzle and it's now sitting half empty in my mind. The margarita has now become the focal point of the meal and frankly the food is meaningless to me at that point.
 
When I go eat with my parents, I specifically pick places that serve mixed drinks and I ride with them. My binge drinking is planned long before I start, even if I don't realize I'm doing it. When I get there, I don't look over the menu. Typically I order a Patron margarita and  talk the waitress into making it just slightly stronger. Food-meaningless. Seriously, I'll order fish tacos and not finish all 3 of them yet run up a 50 dollar tab in margaritas.

A couple of great observations. It looks like you have taken a pretty honest look at yourself.
 
Any other restaurant, I'll order Jagerbombs at noon. Seriously, I've learned to equate eating out with drinking.
 
The other thing I've noticed that scares me is that I can't talk to people when I'm sober. I tend to be slightly grumpy and antisocial and people piss me off for no reason. I have great long conversations after a couple of beers and I start opening up emotionally to people.
 
I'm really glad I'm single right now-I'd hate to know what a girlfriend would feel like in this situation.
 
The good news is I'm 3 days down and feel pretty good. I've got a pretty good game plan-just wiping alcohol out of my planning. I've let all my friends know that I won't be drinking, making up stories to the more skeptical ones about school or liver problems, ulcers, etc etc. I figure if they think it's a medical reason they won't push me with it.
 
I've learned that it's silly to make absolute statements when it comes to addictions. Saying "I'll never take another drink again" is overly optimistic and, at least for me, it's much better to break it up in to small accomplishments than try to tackle the whole thing at one time.

One day at a time. Or 1 hour at a time, or even 1 minute at a time. When people ask me how long I have been sober, I tell them since the time I woke up today. Because what I did yesterday won't help me today, and thinking tomorrow won't help right now.
 
As far as beer as a social tool-the good news is that I REALLY hate beer (it's a quantity versus reward problem for me-I get way bloated and sick before I actually get drunk) so a trip to the flying saucer usually lands me with a 6 dollar glass of imported beer that I'll sip all night and leave for the bartender. As long as I'm with people that aren't hard partiers I can generally handle drinking a single beer and moving on with my day.
 
A shot, on the other hand, will pretty much end with me blacking out or else being very grumpy.
 
 



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