.40 S&W
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Topic: .40 S&W
Posted By: StormyKnight
Subject: .40 S&W
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 3:06am
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Was grocery shopping yesterday after work. Stopped by the Sporting Goods section as I usually do to check the empty ammo case. What to my surprise was two 100 count boxes of Winchester .40 cal plinking ammo! Mind you with how scarce pistol ammo has been, I've been checking everytime I go into the store. I'd see a couple of boxes of .380 here and (gasp) some .45 there but no 9mm or .40. At $35 per box I snagged both of them since I didn't know when I'd get another chance. If they had 5 or more boxes, I'd have bought them too.
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 4:21am
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.40 is still almost double that around here, even for the cheap stuff. Can't find .22 to save my life. Everything else can be had, but at a ridiculous price. Most places are asking around $12 for a surplus paper pack of 20 x54r. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 8:08am
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When I had to go through my firearms training back in July we were required to have 2000 rounds of 'practice ammo' and 500 rounds of 'duty ammo' - and since my town half-assed my academy sponsorship, I was responsible for all of it. They provided nothing. I purchased about half of it, the other half I was fortunate enough to have given to me by someone on the job who for a few months took his monthly ammo allotment in .40 S&W for me. I went through luckygunner.com and found 1000 factory reloads for about .47 cents a round- the cheapest I could find anywhere. Everyone warned me about FRs, but I fired all 1000 of them at the range over the course of about 4 days, and didn't have a single issue with them. The ones I bought were MBI - and Lucky Gunner shipped same day. I think if I need to buy bulk ammo, I'll be going through these guys again. Especially since it appears that the price is dropping. It would- right after I need to make a bulk purchase. http://www.luckygunner.com/m-b-i-40-s-w-ammo-for-sale-40sw180fmjmbi-1000" rel="nofollow - http://www.luckygunner.com/m-b-i-40-s-w-ammo-for-sale-40sw180fmjmbi-1000 ------------- ? |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 8:28am
| Lgs sells 20,000 rounds of 22 every shipment day which is once a week. It's not a mad dash like trying to get kip winger concert tickets now either. Not sure on the price |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 1:49pm
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The ironic thing is if everyone just stopped scooping everything up the second it hits the shelf it'll be ok in a month or so. Honestly people are idiots. One reason I'm glad I get my .22 from Siberia, Serbia, Thailand, the Phillipeans, Europe.... that being said my last .22 purchase was 2 boxes of Winchester 555 and 1000 rounds of Remington sub-sonic. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 2:10pm
Yeah, it's pretty much been proven that the ammo-shortage in the US is artificially created by the panicked public and nothing else. It's the guys who used to go in an buy a box of this and a box of that and call it a day who are now going in and buying every box they can find, or taking their whole family in to buy when it's limited to x-boxes per person. And then, they're taking it home and simply not shooting it. It's almost like a futures market right now. People buying things before any actual run to try and cash in later. Good news is that it's slowly starting to recede. Bad news is, every time some yahoo shoots up a building and the prez opens his mouth, people get edgy again. I know people who live near me that literally have tends of thousands of rounds sitting in their basement. half are probably re-loads, but the other half is stuff they bought a decade ago. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Kayback wrote:Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 3:12pm
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Yeah, the ammo storing fad around here annoys the piss out of me. For starters, all these people storing guns and ammo so they can take out the troops Obama is sending to get said guns and ammo are complete morons. There are people who genuinely would die to keep their weapon and that mentality astounds me. If they come for my AK or Glock tomorrow I'd still like to live to see my future children be born, thanks. And then they destroy the local market for hobbyists. I can't just go to the range and shoot without paying a hundred bucks for ammo and being lectured by some ultra right wing neck beard about how the ammo shortage is because Obama bought it all for himself. You don't have to be a business major to understand how market runs happen. ------------- 
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 3:25pm
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I have been selling ammo since the prices went so high... Most of my stuff was really old, and when people will pay that kind of money for OLD ammo... Even reloads... They can have it! I still have plenty of full ammo boxes that are full of what I use... I was able to get some decent trades too on some rare stuff I had in my collection of weird ammo. I feel sorry for fire fighters who will be facing houses full of ammo stored incorrectly in the future... I keep all of mine in a fire safe inside ammo boxes. So if my house does burn down, the ammo isn't a problem. I have enough 9mm and 22 ammo that I can shoot for years without ever having to buy any more. By then the prices should be back in line. Especially with all the companies who have ramped up their production lines to meet the demand... Remember how RAM on our computers went through the roof in the early 90's. and today, you can get all 8 gigs for less than $20... Ammo will do the same thing... ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 3:45pm
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Heh, eventually we'll be able to trade ammo as currency ala Metro. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 4:20pm
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I don't think the producers will ramp anything up. They know there is no point and it'll lead to excess captial investment in the near future. Once the panic has died away it'll be back to a couple of cents a round. I could see them running 24/7 to meet demand in the short term but I don't see them expaning factories or the like. I don't see the point of having ammo you're not shooting either, but I've got a couple of thousand rounds of each caliber (except .454 :) ) mostly because buying bulk is cheaper and I also want to have enough to last me a while if something like this shortage happens here. I'm not not shooting it though. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 4:45pm
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Back in the day I could get 1000 40 reloads done by my guy the next day $80 on my brass. The 45 guys at that time was about two weeks out. This guy has multiple inline industrial reloaders. I miss the days when the 40 was not widely used and a new caliber. Guys at the range used to avoid that caliber like a plague. I shot 100 rounds last week |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 6:17pm
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I learned after 2008. So I started buying by the case. This guy is local. http://www.unammo.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.unammo.com |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 7:36pm
I know it's hyperbole, but it's an thing to think about hypothetically. I'm not sure how I'd react if someone made an announcement that people were coming by to collect everyone's firearms. I think I'd probably just have lost them recently in a rafting accident up north. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 8:01pm
Yeah, I can definitely see not WANTING to give up your weapons, and I can certainly see fighting legally to keep them. But I see this like all the martyrdom talk from Christians-it's one thing to mentally assess an unlikely situation or theorize a reaction, it's another to continually plan and obsess over it. People tend to read outlandish scenarios into mundane stories. The truth is, were gun confiscated to become a reality, shooting at cops would make you both a news story and casualty statistic. They'd plan on the occasional nut with an assault rifle taking shots at them and act accordingly. And by accordingly, I mean they'd kill him. I'd surrender my registered guns, but my heirlooms I might hide. But bear in mind if you keep a weapon for self defense in light of a confiscation scenario you're staring at an inevitable 30 year prison sentence anyway. You'll be sentenced if they catch you and you'll be sentenced if you use it. I certainly wouldn't take drastic, life altering steps to preserve my government classified assault weapon. If I've still got my 12 guage and my 1911 I can live a perfectly happy life without my hicap mags and automatic rifles. Besides, America has to accomplish things as a vocal majority. Being the one dude shooting at cops / agents won't get you any where except dead. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 8:55pm
| Your shotgun was used to kill 12 people in DC. Your deer rifle is a sniper rifle. And that 1911 is a weapon designed for the military and uses a military cartridge. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 10:02pm
Exactly this. There are too man people saying "so long as they don't take MY guns they can take the XXXXX guns". KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 10:33pm
No, I agree with you guys completely, My point is that I'm one individual-I vote, I voice my opinion, but at the end of the day I have just the power of one vote. If a politician is elected by a majority vote who deems it necessary to take my gun, any action I take will involve money and lots of people to be effective. In other words, dying for you gun is an unnecessary pipe dream. We live in the era of drones and GPS not flintlocks and compasses. Just because some sticks a flashlight and a foregrip on their AR doesn't mean they can suddenly take down the US government. Yet more and more people refuse to participate in politics or educate because if Obama comes after their gun, dammit he'll get a firefight. It's not only foolish, it's detrimental to the case in general. So under the hypothetical situation proposed, yes, I'll hand over my guns. I'm not taking a prison sentence or a bullet for literally no reason. -------------
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 10:34pm
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Soon you guys are going to end up like us. This list would make some of you cry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada#Classification_of_firearms" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada#Classification_of_firearms |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 10:48pm
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I don't believe the Obama administration will get anywhere with gun control. Although I think there will be this debate every twelve years or so for the forseeable future. Even if AR15s are banned there will never be "enough" gun control. I say every twelve years, assuming that Republicans/Democrats switch every eight years, and the Dems go after guns in their second terms. ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 11:28pm
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Yeah Obama won't accomplish anything under his term, much less gun control. The Republicans are all on full assault mode until 2016. That said, I think the AWB is inevitable. I think that mandatory registration is inevitable. Confiscation is a huge likelihood over time, but I don't see it in our lifetimes barring a full on economic collapse / Marshall law situation, which I find quite unlikely but let's not start that argument. The trouble here is that the only reason the Republican Party is so outspoken about 2nd amendment rights at the moment is to give Obama a political death by a thousand cuts, and by hurting Obama they hurt Democrats in general in 2016. But after 2016, it's all a grey area to me. Romney had my support until the last debate where he declared his intentions to reinstate the AWB. It was at the point I realized that the Republican Party has such a similar agenda to that of the Democrats that they were having trouble even debating on the topic. So unless we see a full breakdown and rebuild of the Republican Party, we're going to continue to see foolhardy legislation like the AWB that only affects hobbyists instead of crime statistics. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 24 September 2013 at 11:42pm
| Or vote for a party that believes in personal liberties. |
Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 12:40am
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You can, but both parties are going to continue to dominate for the forseeable future. Any independent or libertarian wins are purely hypothetical at this point. It's like my view of homeschooling. Rather than view the public school system as a sinking ship, why not try and fix it? It's easier to rally a 2/3 majority to reform a party that takes up 1/2 of the vote than to move a party that gets 1-2% of the vote to its place. Hell, Americans have to be told by doctors not to eat themselves to death, trying to move them to a libertarian base on issues they can't even spell is a long shot at best. The 2 party system can be ideal, it's just that the right side of the spectrum has gone haywire over the last decade and split into two groups. Fortunately for you, one of those groups is essentially libertarian in nature so roughly a third of your work is already done. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 7:01am
Huh? Democrats were always supporters of personal liberties, but it's obvious that is BS. And Republicans have always toted fiscal conservatism but it's obvious that is BS. That's the beauty of voting for a 3rd party, the take the good of both and leave the rest. What are the chances of a 3rd party ever reaching the white house? Probably never, but that won't stop me from voting for what I believe in. Edit: My solution to the school issue was sarcastic, didn't want to test any meters. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 8:36am
This. If it were up to me, I'd abolish the party system period. No private funding of candidates. Everyone gets the same amount and they have to stand on their issues. If it weren't for gerrymandering in states like MD where you can only vote in your party's primary, I think you'd rapidly see "independent" listed as the #1 affiliation in the US once the baby boomers die off. As for the firearms. I lost them all in a boating accident yesterday. Tragic. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 9:13am
Not only that, but any primary victories by 3rd party candidates see the major parties changing the rules to discount them. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 9:51am
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Gun control is a funny thing. In 2005 they decided to reform our gun laws from an already fairly regulated yet almost "shall issue" system to a totally draconian system that require you to provide a need for a firearm and to exercise that need on a yearly basis in some cases. There are now more "restricted" firearms in the hands of individuals than there ever were before they changed the laws. One drawback of requiring people to provide a "need" is the same need can be used to motivate for many weapons. We are allowed, without any extra paperwork, 4 firearms, one of which may be a self defense weapon (pistol or shotgun). The other 3 may be any variation of shotgun, manual action rifle or pistol but only one extra pistol for occasional sporting or hunting use. If you want more than that you need to be a registered hunter or sports shooter. To get registered as a sports shooter you need to belong to a shooting club and a shooting sport which will endorse your firearm as correct for the sport. I shoot IDPA. They've recently introduced a rifle/shotgun component to it as well called Defensive Multi Gun. Now in IDPA you have SSP, ESP, CDP, ESR and SSR classes as well as a sub division called "BUG". Right off the bat that is 6 pistols I can motivate for. Then bring on the DMG. That's rifles and shotguns. The rifles are broken up into various caliber classes and if they are equipped with optics or not. There are 11 of those classes. The classes work with various shotgun setups. So that's 11 shotguns as well. Our semi auto rifles are categorized as "restricted" firearms, as are semi auto shotguns. But this isn't a problem if you are a registered sports shooter. I can motivate for 28 firearms for one sport and I have the paperwork to back the claims up. That's without using the "hook" of being a dedicated sportsman, so I need backups in case my primary one goes down. This is one sport. I shoot in 3 sports. I haven't even looked into hunting yet. Or Clays. There used to be one or two LM's and maybe a Mini 14 at the range that we all used to share. Now we all have our own individual rifles. Literally from sharing 4 rifles between a detail of 16 people we have 15 rifles for 16 people. Gun control, it works. Tallen, sorry to hear about your loss and you were so close to finishing your FAL. Why did you insist on taking it on the boat to finish those last few things! :) KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 9:56am
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As long as our media is so biased cheerleading for their candidate while slandering any opponent... Our system will remain broken, and jobs will continue to leave our country. We can't fix this until the public starts paying attention, and they only pay attention when their wallet is affected... So we should see a big change in the publics opinion once Obamacare takes effect. Since this is what "we" were waiting for or something. ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 11:34am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/09/13/arizona-election-reform-bill-likely-to-be-on-2014-ballot/" rel="nofollow - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/09/13/arizona-election-reform-bill-likely-to-be-on-2014-ballot/ Anyone have any suggestions of where to live in New Hampshire? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 12:32pm
I've got a buddy who owns http://http://www.moxyrestaurant.com/" rel="nofollow - a fantastic restaurant in Portsmouth. So the food there is good, but otherwise, not really sure. I hear the White Mountains are nice. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 25 September 2013 at 2:20pm
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The White Mountains are AMAZING. And Portsmouth is damn cool, too. Both are vacation destinations for my family. Not sure about local economies or jobs, though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 01 October 2013 at 6:39pm
I like the non partisan slammage I'm hearing. Did you wean yourself off of faux nuze? |