White Tail Hunting:
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Topic: White Tail Hunting:
Posted By: tallen702
Subject: White Tail Hunting:
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 8:56am
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So, I've decided to get my hunting license for MD this year so I can bag a couple of white tail deer and possibly some grouse and turkey as well. Only problem I face is that all the local hunting grounds are Shotgun/Muzzleloader only for firearms season. In short, that gives me 3 options.
Obviously the smoothbore would let me go both bird and buck, but without the accuracy I'd like for the deer hunting. The modern muzzleloader would be fantastic for deer, but gives me no real option for the fowling. The combo seems like the best thing to go with, but the cost is at the very top of my range for a lower-end combo. Add in the fact that I'll more than likely need some sort of optics and mount system for the deer hunt, and things start getting real expensive real fast. Of course, this would all be a moot point if we had a standard rifle season around here, but that would be too easy now wouldn't it. Now, the front runners that I've found so far are: http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=48" rel="nofollow - Muzzleloader http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=90&category=3&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=" rel="nofollow - Combo I'm trying to stay away from the smooth bore only option as I'd go with an O/U and finding one that would be in my price range that would accept a scope is tough. So, anyone have any suggestions? Anything I should look at but haven't? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 9:37am
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Find a used one? You shouldn't really need a scope for a slug gun. When are the seasons? If they don't overlap, you can get a slud gun now and get a smooth bore in a couple of months for birds. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 1:13pm
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I think I'm going to wind up going with a new barrel for my Maverick 88. I can get a 24" rifled, ported 12ga slug barrel with cantilevered scope mount for $112. Then come fowl season, I'll grab a 28" barrel with the accu-choke system. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 2:57pm
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You would be hard pressed to beat an 870 or the like. Hell, used Winchesters from the good old days are cheap and plentiful. ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 3:39pm
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Sat on back porch, coffee in hand,H&R Model 71 45/70 'Buffalo Rifle' in lap, OH look, out in the field, maybe 50m out, 'BOOM', deer jerky, deer sausage, deer steaks in freezer. A tough 15min hunt if I do say so myself, coffee got cool. As for 'muzzle loader' I use a Springfield 1861 .58 rifled musket, have not had one walk or run away from one of those hits either. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 7:30pm
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So, it was just too good a deal to pass up over on Numrich. $112 with free shipping for a 24" Mossy 500 Super Slugster 12ga fully rifled and ported accu-choke barrel with integrated cantilevered scope mount. That leaves me ~$100 or so for a decent BDC scope for 50-100 yards. I figure Foster or Sabot slugs plus that should put some meat in the freezer. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 12:21am
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You may need to try a few different sabot slugs to find one that really works, and they have a tendency to vary by lot. I can vouch for the terminal performance of Hornady SSTs and heard good things about the newer offerings from Remington, but sometimes the older, heavier slugs like the Federal Barnes expander or even Lightfield Hybrids or Brennakkes give better and more consistent accuracy. When you get one that works well, buy a pile of them. The last season I went out I missed twice, checked my zero and was shooting over a foot low, either bumped my sights or different lot of ammo. Lesson learned. Nikkon seems to offer the best glass at the low end of the price range. I'll be scoping my little 20 bore upon my return to the states, looking for something very low powered at the low end with moderate magnification at the high nd, this means likely a 30mm tube and more $$$. |
Posted By: proteus316
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 1:25am
| Too late now since you bought the barrel, but bowhunters kill tons of deer, I would've gone with buckshot. $100 for a scope is hardly worth wasting money on. I'd buy $100 worth of slugs and practice my shooting. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 1:40am
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Just a question, why all the need for a 'scope' at 'slug' ranges. I have yet to shoot deer in excess of 100m and use iron sights, usually the shot is less than 50m, and a pair of bino's as spotting assist in the brush. Off porch no need. I have a H&R 870 clone with slug barrel, and a few years ago dropped a deer with a standard 437gr (1oz) slug. I prefer big bore as not to need to chase the wounded ones, 45/70 405gr or .58 minie' balls as well as any 437gr slug tend to drop em right there. If I were going this route would get the H&R Model 71 Ultra Light Slug Hunter $242.14 at CTD. Simple and light, weaver scope mounts already installed, and idiot proof. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 4:10am
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Low light and brush are my big reasons for considering optics. I've had too many missed opportunities when I could not take an ethical shot because I just couldn't tell if there was a twig in my way, or make out the factory sights. I love irons, but my slug un, and many more offer a poor sight radius of about 12". Had I brought out grandpa's smooth bore Model 12 with home-made fixed receiver mounted irons with a fat florescent bead front and V-not rear and 32" sight radius I actually would have been much more likely to get a hit, and a bit more confident. |
Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 8:08am
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Mosserg 500 with a 20" slug barrel and 24" bird barrel with chokes. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=390774240" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=390774240 occasionally Sports Authority will sell the combo pack for around $200. You can get the cantilever to mount a scope for ease of barrel change and not screwing with your zero. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 8:10am
rednekk98 basically answered my main need for some glass.
I'll be using irons with my rifle when hunting back in WV, but around here, since it's shotgun and muzzleloader only for firearms season, and since I'm using a 500bbl on my Maverick 88, that means I don't have any stock rear sights. 88's only have a bead on the front of the barrel, no rifle sights, no ghost ring, no fiber, nada. What's more, I'm in wooded, rolling hills with a LOT of brush. Local regs require firing from an elevated position or with a "significant earthen backstop" (i.e. the side of a hill). After all, the hunting grounds around here are usually very small and there are lots of other people and even domiciles around that could suffer some less than desirable consequences with a missed shot if you don't have something there to act as a backstop. If I was out in NE with some prairie land or thinned woods, it'd be one thing, but over here, it's a different game, and the regs mean that scoped is better, just to make sure.
It's illegal to use anything other than slugs for deer where I live.
Yeah, I was reading an article yesterday that said that Brennakkes and traditional Fosters work very well out of fully rifled barrels given the stabilization from both the spin of the rifling and then the "rifled" grooves they have (actually, they're for stabilization when used in smoothbore guns, they don't actually impart any spin on the round) I figured I'd get a reasonable zero on my gun, strap it into a sled, and then see what gives me the most consistent performance out of the different types of rounds and go with what seems to work best.
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oldsoldier wrote:Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 8:12am
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3x9 is more than enough. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 12:41pm
Should I go with a lower power then? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 12:56pm
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For less than the 100m a 3X9 wallyworld .22/airgun scope will work, I have an airsoft tactical scope on my real AR15, will take the shock and for the price can't beat it, no need to have a high end scope that will count hairs at the range you are working with with slugs. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 7:06am
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I'm looking at 1-4Xor 2-7X respectively. Some of the AR type scopes might have the eye-relief and durability. Slug guns murder scopes, something designed for a rimfire might not hold up, but a 50 or 75 yard parallax setting helps. I was looking into something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bushnell-Trophy-XLT-Riflescope-1-5-6x42mm-Matte-Black-Illuminated-4A-Reticle-/251379209620?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a875e5594 it's big, but about what I want. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 7:26am
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I have one of these Simmons pistol scopes on my Mosin M44 mounted as a scout scope. It has tons of eye relief and has held up for several hundred rounds without losing it's zero. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Simmons-ProHunter-Handgun-Scope/748903.uts" rel="nofollow - http://www.cabelas.com/product/Simmons-ProHunter-Handgun-Scope/748903.uts ------------- 
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 1:41pm
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Here it is mounted. Nice and compact and gives you an idea of the eye relief. 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 2:07pm
Pic is borked. Not showing up. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 4:06pm
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 4:07pm
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bork bork bork -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 4:10pm
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 10:22pm
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Finishing up my Firearms/Hunter Safety tomorrow! I'll be getting a
firearms possession and acquisition license in another couple months,
then it'll be my first year hunting as well! Also, what's the reasoning for no rifles for hunting where you are? |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 3:12am
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That is a HANDGUN scope? What sort of handguns do you guys have?!! Nice Scout rifle setup. Needs more less barrel. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 6:03am
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ROFL, my guess is because someone decided it would be safer. Rifle bullets can go a long way and a lot of places that have that rule don't have vast areas of wilderness to hunt in. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 10:42am
Rifles have a longer range obviously which can cause problems in populated area. This also prevents hicks with SKS' throwing bullets into populated areas. -------------
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Posted By: Ceesman762
Date Posted: 02 February 2014 at 9:02am
Yep. I have to find the article from the early 80's where two Italian guys from (where else) Brooklyn were caught hunting deer with Uzi's. ------------- Innocence proves nothing FUAC!!!!! |