It only took 4 years
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Topic: It only took 4 years
Posted By: evillepaintball
Subject: It only took 4 years
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 3:55pm
Bout time ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 4:06pm
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Yeah, I saw that last night and thought to myself "Finally, a weapon you can actually believe someone would have." Vs the full auto Steyr Aug and the full auto FN FALs and Uzis we've seen before. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 5:13pm
| The lady at Terminus was creepy. I'm thinking cannibals. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 5:24pm
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Worse. Hippies. -------------
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 25 March 2014 at 12:25am
| Wait someone said steyr |
Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 1:15pm
------------- I need a new Sig... |
tallen702 wrote:Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 1:20pm
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Doesn't explain the full-auto Steyr. I do find it hard to believe that all of those M4s are still working reliably. -------------
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Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 3:04pm
I don't think the U.S. military uses anything other than M4s or M16s... |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 4:02pm
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There are some SWAT teams in the USA who use some of those guns. The Secret Service used Uzis in the late 80s. I know a SWAT guy who runs an AUG. He doesn't like it as much as an M4 but says it is one of the best bullpups around. ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: Rofl_Mao
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 4:10pm
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Oh, I'm not saying there aren't *any.* I'm saying it's more likely you'd find M4s than AUGs. (Not to mention the SWAT guy would probably be still alive  ) |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 7:21pm
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US border patrol has AUGs, but only a few, and none of those units are anywhere near GA. SS ditched their Uzis some time ago for MP5s. I have very reliable sources on that fact. DEA and BATFE use M4s Colt SMGs and MP5s, Same goes for the Marshall Service and FBI. But there is nobody out there using full auto AKs, FALs, or AUGs that would be a source of those weapons for the roving baddies in the show. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 28 March 2014 at 9:34pm
MS13's, yo thug life ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 1:41am
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Tallen, yeah I did say back in the 80s. I don't know how the US gov works but the SA one doesn't throw kuch away. We're busy taking our gov to court ti prevent them destroying 3000 Lee Enfield SMLE rifles. Our park service has safes full of full auto R1 rifles that were retired from the SADF 35 years ago. It isnt beyond belief that one or two Uzis have been moved to smaller, low budget police stations. I know it is a little stretch of the imagination but so is stuff like Jericho were only bolt action rifles and pump shotguns were used by the good guys. Until the agent unlocked his stash of M4s. Maybe in the zombie virus universe the Aug was more widely accepted , the FBI/SS never replaced the Uzi and the 86 machinegun ban Didn't foreign full auto guns. I mean it isn't this universe that has zombies.... ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 9:06am
You guys need to convince your gov't that selling those SMLE's and R1's (converted to semi of course) could be a rather large windfall in funding for your gov't. The average R1 minus the upper receiver would sell to US suppliers at around US $450-$500 each and the SMLEs would probably sell to US suppliers at around US $200 each. I'm pretty sure your gov't would like to clear the 600k USD rather than, you know, just throwing it down the drain. Same fight we've been having for years over here over spent brass. At one point, the anti-gunners were trying to have spent brass from the military ranges shredded and dumped in landfills, not even recycled or scrapped, but just dumped. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 11:09am
| I'd take an R1 parts kit AND SMLE, too bad about the barrel ban for the R1.... |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 12:11pm
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Barrel ban? Currently refurb R1's and FAL's are selling for around $1600 here. They would clean up. Hell collectors (the guys where who can own full auto) would snap them up as is! The SMLE's are sought after by collectors, shooters and museums. Even though it is against the LAW for them to destroy historically significant weapons, they are probably gonna de-mill these with a cutting torch and dumb the remains in the ocean. Yup. There is a current court case trying to prevent this, but there is another government policy of not selling "military equipment" to civilians. The two are rather at odds with each other, but like I said, we are trying to get the bad law changed to a good one. It does also mean our supply of ex-mil .303B has dried up. It used to sell for R0.30 a round, while factory ammo is closer to R10 ($1). KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 2:29pm
Here anything that used to be a machinegun can't be imported. The ATFE changed their rules a while ago on importing parts kits (with demiled receivers) to also dissallow barrels for "assault weapons" from importation. You used to be able to get a demilled AK of FAL kit in good shape for $120, and build it on a US made semi-auto receiver with a few other US compliance parts. Now you can spend $400 on an AK kit, another $150 on a US barrel and it's a LOT harder to build one up cheap. I of course got my kit when they were $75  and should have a functional and 922r and AWB compliant AK in the safe in about a month.
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 29 March 2014 at 2:40pm
| Ah, that's why AK's are stupidly expensive now. I thought about buying one, but when I saw Romanians were going for 6-700 my jaw dropped. Rather spend the few extra hundred on a Arsenal. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 12:11am
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And shy away from 5.45x39mm guns for the next while. Buy any 5.45 you see. The BATFE have banned it from import due to some 5.45 "pistols" and the "steel core" ammo being AP. Even though it is soft steel and how the Russians build ammo. It isn't banned banned, as I understand it they aren't approving import permits. They use the same tactic here. ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 8:46am
Yeah, saw that the other day. Good news is, anything in the country is grandfathered in. Bad news is, they won't allow any more steel core surplus in which means the last "cheap" AK caliber is going to get expensive. Personally, I think it's BS To call a center-fire rifle cartridge "pistol" ammo. 5.45 is going to blow through any ballistic vests the five-oh are using steel core or no. And it's not like an AK "Pistol" is actually readily concealable or even useful. It's just like the surplus steel-core 7.62x25mm Tok that they banned. Even lead core Tokarev ammo will punch through type-3 ballistics vests no problem (it's a bottleneck cartridge after all) Show me any agency in the us outside the military who uses more than that for protection.... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 10:22am
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Not very surprisingly anything rated to stop rifles will stop "steel core" Russian ammo. IMHO now would be a good time to launch a domestic 5.45 line with standard copper/lead bullets. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 3:15pm
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In other news, WTH happened to 7.62x54? Almost nothing left. Most of what is left is over $.50/round. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 3:35pm
Really? I can still get 440rnd spam cans for $86 shipped. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 3:39pm
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Where from? Ammoseek and gunbot are both coming up pretty bare. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 5:31pm
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Several websites had it yesterday. TSG and others. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 6:26pm
| There seems to be a quiet run on the comblock stuff, no doubt because of recent political developments. I feel like everybody is saying "The sanctions shouldn't effect normal trade, a lot of it isn't even made in Russia." then buying more just to assure themselves. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 11:59pm
| aaaaaand 7N6 5.45X39 is now banned from import because it has steel in it it is considered "armor piercing". I wouldn't be shocked if they started applying this to various other comblock stuff. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 12:24am
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For awhile I was looking at 5.45, but I figured that 7.62x39 commercial is cheap enough. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 2:43am
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While commercial ammo isn't as cheap as milsurp another friend says the 7N6 ban is specifically on the steel core surplus, any other version is still GTG, so Wolf sporting should still be available. KBK ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 9:41am
The reason is because some moron decided to screw everyone and built a 5.45x39 "pistol" a few years back. That means that 5.45 is now considered a "handgun" round and thus, cannot contain a steel core. They already apply it to other comblock stuff. You can't buy steel core surplus 7.62x39 for that very reason. Same goes for the 7.62x25Tok surplus, etc. etc. The funny thing is, all of those comblock surplus rounds are armor piercing anyway. Standard lead-core FMJ Tokarev ammo punches right through the vast majority of body armor types. It's stupid BS left over from Clinton's executive order days. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 11:16am
| The Obrez is going to get X54 banned. Just wait. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 1:05pm
Nope. BATFE rules state that once something is serialized as either a rifle or a pistol, it stays a rifle or a pistol. Therefore, the Obrez receiver, being imported as a rifle receiver, stays a rifle and therefore becomes a SBR, hence you have to pay a tax stamp on it. The pistol issue comes in when the receiver is designated "pistol" at production or importation. This is why you don't have to pay a SBR tax stamp when purchasing an AR or AK pistol, because the receivers are designated as such. If you take a "rifle" designated AR receiver and put pistol furniture on it, you're in violation of the NFA as you now have a SBR simply due to the fact that the receiver is, according to their records, a rifle receiver. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 2:49pm
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Does anyone here ever consider buying a gun based on the fact that the round is not favored in their area so there is generally some on the shelf. I love visiting the store and seeing a nice stack of my preferred rifle round sitting there. This was the basis for my caliber decision about 27 years ago and the theory has proven solid up to today. I feel bad for those that have to fight over nato rounds etc. Hey if nothing else aks and ars make super nice clubs. Regarding ballistics, I'll put my undesired caliber against a 5.56 any day. Sure why not 7.62 as well |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 3:13pm
What caliber? 274? 35 Whelan? I have a mildly obscure caliber of .30 Carbine. Can't find it anywhere, even pre obamalypse. -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 3:16pm
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.177? -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 4:51pm
| 6.5X55mm Swede FTW! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 6:05pm
My 7.5x55mm Swiss GP11 is better... At least there's a modern firearm that uses that cartridge. Honestly, as far as availability due to caliber goes, the panic proved that people around here will buy anything and everything. On the national retailer level, I saw my 7.62x25mm Tok, 9x18mm Mak, 7.5x55mm GP11, and 8x56mmR show back up before just about anything else. Of course, very little of that matters since I now have a good source of hardened lead, loading kit, and molds. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 7:42pm
| Ruger, Sako, Tikka, Howa, Remington, Cooper and CZ chamber in 6.5X55 Swede, and Winchester used to. It's around. |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 10:21pm
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270win which isn't too commonly used here in the hardwoods but out west long distance pokemon. The deer processor will attest that the 270 destroys huge portions of good usable meat:) the last one I shot he was actually ticked at me for the destruction. Like he'd never seen it or something. I found his reaction odd. I quit hunting years ago I got tired of shooting animals. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 April 2014 at 7:37am
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So, interesting update on the 5.45x39 "ban" Apparently the BATFE hasn't actually banned it, they're just dragging their feet on signing off on the import forms. A lot of the ammo suppliers have banded together and are going to file a lawsuit because the amount of steel does not exceed the limits set by law. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |