The 2016 election.
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Topic: The 2016 election.
Posted By: agentwhale007
Subject: The 2016 election.
Date Posted: 15 August 2016 at 1:28pm
Probably time to go ahead and congratulate President Hillary Clinton.  |
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 15 August 2016 at 3:57pm
| That is terrible. The USA is doomed with Hilary as president. |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 2:29am
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God wrote:Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 4:50am
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 9:50am
| I wonder if the run on the gun stores will be the worst we've seen so far. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 10:23am
Which ones?
Popular opinion polling is as scientific as it has ever been, and to be clear, the 538 numbers are a calculation of the weighted average of a bunch of polls by different companies (Gallup, Rasmussen, etc.).
That's not how polls work. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 10:30am
Seems like a little bit of hyperbole. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 12:59pm
Meh. It's the same exact hyperbole that the Clinton Cadets are all spouting about Trump. I don't like the way any of it smells. When the DNC can have evidence presented against them stating that they were, or were planning to undercut their own in-house competition to secure the nomination for Hillary, what are they doing/willing to do in their bid against Trump? There's just way too much that she's been mixed up in, implicated in, and murky on that it's far too much to be simply the right throwing feces at her to see what sticks. On the other hand, Trump is off his rocker, lacking even the most basic skill-set required to be a successful statesman. You won't catch me often agreeing with Obama, but when he said that Trump is "woefully unprepared" for the job, he was right. There's no honesty, no transparency, nothing at all that can or should be liked about either of them, nor the rabid miscreants that fail to realize the shortcomings of their favorite candidate. Truth be told? They're two halves of the same coin. Both out for their own gain, and willing to tell you anything that you'll want to hear at any given time. I'm hoping against hope that third party and independent voters take enough electorates away so that neither candidate earns enough to secure the presidency, and it goes to the house for appointment. That won't happen though, and even though I won't be casting a ballot for either of the two, I've been pretty sure that she'll end up taking the election....whether by gain or by game, she'll end up in the White House. ------------- ? |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 4:51pm
| Trunp, Trump, Trump, Trump. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 16 August 2016 at 6:42pm
I probably tend to agree. A Trump presidency would probably just be him handing control over to congress and being a do-nothing style presidency like the late 1800s. Trump has given no indication he actually cares about doing anything as president, he just likes the attention.
This coming from someone who has kicked in a few hundred bucks to the Democrat running against Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and was really generally frustrated with some of the things discussed in the emails, the emails really don't indicate any widespread tampering. It was mostly a bunch of higher-ups crap talking about not liking Sanders. It was real rinky-dink stuff, on the grand scheme of rat(screwing) in a primary. I supported Sanders, and I gave money to the Sanders campaign, I was involved in street-team stuff for the campaign, I'm now involved in DSA and Berniecrats.net -- but even I can look at the numbers and see Sanders lost by 4 million votes. The kinds of stuff talked about in the emails doesn't cost someone 4 million votes.
See, the thing I don't understand is why the Clinton campaign has been framing their attacks against Trump as him being "dangerous," or him being crazy. I don't think he's crazy, or dangerous, or whatever. He's just a huckster. He's a carnival barker, a reality TV star who really, really likes people paying attention to him. He's taken the frustration of a lot of people because of what's going on around them and funneled into hate against immigrants and Mexicans and Muslims and poor people. And he's done it because he likes when people cheer him on stage.
Yeah. Pretty much.
I think I disagree with the phrasing of "two halves of the same coin," even though Trump is running as a reality TV guy who really likes the attention, whereas Clinton is running as a career opportunist -- Trump's essentially running on a diet fascism platform, and Clinton is running as a center-right Republican. Aside from a handful of social issues, there's very little different about Clinton's platform in 2016 and Mitt Romney's in 2016. As someone from the actual left, that's pretty disheartening. I don't really know who I'm voting for yet. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 17 August 2016 at 9:17am
Because they can't bring themselves to make the real comparison. Cracked.com and other less-stringent outlets are dead set on making Trump out to be the next Hitler. The reality is he's P.T. Barnum running for the presidency. I totally agree that he'd be a do-nothing president. He'd let his cabinet and congress do their thing. I mean, that's the reality of it. He's a CEO, that's what CEOs do. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 17 August 2016 at 9:49am
That's 100% the right answer. In terms of authenticity, Clinton has little to offer that's much better than Trump.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 17 August 2016 at 2:50pm
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I'm just trying to still reconcile what's actually been happening, especially with the stuff about Manafort that has come out in the last few days. You can't make this stuff up. It seems every day Trump does something that would have ruined any other candidate in any previous election... To think that Howard Dean got completely derailed for the "Dean Scream"... That's nothing compared to what we've seen so far. I'd hate to be in Paul Ryan or McConnell's shoes right now. The GOP always talks about what the need to do to reinvent themselves after they lose. (At least the last two times I heard similar things being said) It'll be really interesting to see what happens to the party after the election, especially if Trump goes down in flames as spectacularly as I'm hoping. Where do you go from here? I'm worried it sets a terrible precedent for the next independently wealthy megalomaniac out there who thinks they can spew fascist-lite rhetoric and win elections. I never was a fan of Hillary at all, but there's no way we can let this man take the reins. If I vote for her, it will not be gladly. Thanks Trump. You forced my hand here. Craziest election ever. -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 17 August 2016 at 6:57pm
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That is the point of this idiocy. This is the first election of the modern era where BOTH candidates are a 'no win' for the country. These polls are all over the map, the annonomous 'poll' where people are asked, with no names, these people state they feel safer saying they like Trump rather than Hillary, to the point that knowing if they put a Trump sticker on their bumper some Democrat will 'key' their car, or worse. The discourse and us v them attitude is over the top. I am voting against Hillary and putting the 1st Predator back in the White House. Wish Johnson had 1/2 a chance as an alternative to this lunacy. We have a choice of a dysfunctional family, Hillary and Bill representing us to the world, and they know all about the 'Bill' issues. Or a wacked out NYC business type. Both have no idea how to address the issues we face, illegal immigration, secure immigration, the terror threat (Hillary and Obama don't even call it what it is for Christ's sake, and the vacuum they created pulling out US troops on a timetable created the JV Team of Terrorists), the economy, you name the problem, they don't have a clue, or solution only usual elect me promises ignored day one they take office. This election really has no effect on me and mine as I am at the end of the 'run', my kids, grandkids, and most of you will feel the full force of this idiocy in your future, and best of luck to you. ------------- 
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Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 17 August 2016 at 11:28pm
I'd just like to point out that that timetable was signed by W. Bush and troops began pulling out before Obama was even inaugurated. Also, calling them something other than "islamic terrorists" hasn't stopped the current administration from firing more hell fires on suspected terrorists and he will likely have dropped more bombs than Bush did as well. This fascination with using a specific, right-approved term for the "bad-guys" has always confused me. No one complained when bush started the Global War on Terror rather than the Global War on Islamic Terror. The only thing that will come out of "Islamic terror" is that it will be easier for simpletons to forget that there is a difference between Islamic extremists and regular old Islamic folks. It will drive a wedge between American society and Muslim-Americans trying to assimilate into an unaccepting culture. Then we will have the same issues and Belgium and France where they forced their Muslim populations out of the greater society until blowing themselves up in airports seemed like not such a bad idea anymore. If that's what you want in the U.S., then by all means call it that. However, if you don't care what they are called because you understand that Islam is not the problem and there's more at play than that, then just call them terrorists, or baddies, murder-jerks and go about your business. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 August 2016 at 2:15am
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At this point, all we can do is look at the qualifications. Who is better qualified for the job? It might suck, but that's what it's coming down to, IMO. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 August 2016 at 7:41am
Sooo, Johnson/Weld. Because that's who it comes down to on qualifications. They're the only duo that have any executive level political experience. It should be noted that they're also pretty well liked by folks on both sides. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 August 2016 at 1:14pm
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 August 2016 at 9:20pm
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Forget who wins in November- with egos this big, think of how epic the concession speech will be. ------------- ? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 19 August 2016 at 7:29am
Pretty good if people would get their collective heads out of their collective butts and quit with the "oh, well, I want my vote to matter" bull-crap. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 August 2016 at 9:35am
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So... None at all, then? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 19 August 2016 at 10:47am
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It doesn't matter if my candidate wins or not, I cannot vote for a candidate I don't believe in. Hopefully after 4 more years of the same terrible foreign policy, stripping of Americans liberties, there will be enough people who will think the same. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 19 August 2016 at 3:04pm
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People do not want another 1992 Perot moment, and each feel a vote for Johnson/Weld would be just that, a no win candidate taking votes from their candidate. I look at it this way, this vote is essentially picking up dog crap with just your fingers 'by the clean end'. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 19 August 2016 at 4:49pm
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You still don't comprehend why we are voting for Johnson. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 19 August 2016 at 8:00pm
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I know why you are, but falling on your sword to make your point does not lead to victory in the face of two far superior political machines. The same reason people voted for Perot in 92 is the same reason you are voting for Johnson. And in 92 Perot drew off enough voters to ensure the Clinton win, see where I am going with this. You fight the battle you can win, in 2020 have a better presentation and a longer public outing. Here at UNL most of the students have no idea who Johnson is, let alone know he is running. Almost NO representation. Most UNL types know only of Hillary, Donald, and Bernie, and are totally PO's about the Bernie events. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 20 August 2016 at 1:47pm
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I repeat, I will not vote for someone I don't believe in. You are assuming I believe Hillary will be worse than Trump. They are both authoritarian in their own ways, both of them will affect me just the same. Their foreign policy will most likely be the same, it seems Trump is more pro Russian while Hillary is more pro Saudi Arabia. In the end, both will rake the American public over the coals while grabbing for more control. The students at UNL might not know who Johnson is, I highly doubt it in this of age, but I can't assume that they do. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 20 August 2016 at 2:07pm
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Nebraska, rural is almost pure Republican, Lincoln and Omaha are Democrat. Both colleges were in deep for Bernie, the youth and anti-establishment vote as is common. Step daughter is at UNL, and I visit campus regularly, and also take classes there as well. In the student hall there are your usual young Republicans, Democrats and still 'Bernie' camps. I asked around if anyone knew of the Independent candidate and a lot of blank stares. Politics in Nebraska is a conditioned response almost. Like all elections the young are almost all anti-establishment, why you are pro Johnson, where the older majority still sticks to the established parties. The perceptions run rampant as the media directs the election targeting their desired 'market', saying exactly what that market want to hear. Having seen this game since Nixon sometimes it is comical when a third party spoiler enters and is just that an insurance policy for the favored of the state voters. Convictions are great, but the battle is far greater anymore, it is how we expect our lives to be affected for the next 4 to 8 years. I can not stand either Hillary or Trump, both are turds and no clean end to pick up, but the standard lessor of the evils presented must be thought of. MY vote is "The Enemy of my Enemy, is my friend." so anti Hillary and only chance unfortunately is Trump, as in Nebraska Johnson/Weld is essentially a non starter and no chance. So I fight my battle to ensure what I see as the lessor of the evils presented winning, and will hurt my wallet far less. Fixed income people who are not 'dependent' trend Republican, nature of the beast. What your vote is essentially doing is ensuring the prominent candidate based on your states leanings the popular and electoral college vote for either one of the candidates you do not like. So you are willing to fall on your sword, rather than plan for the required setup for the independent candidate in 2020 where the mistakes made in 2016 will be learned and not repeated. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 22 August 2016 at 11:10am
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Both of them will affect you the same??? I think not.... Not even close, Hillary has massive tax hikes to pay for her bloated spending that will increase as she steals more of our money to give to her friends foreign countries under her payolla through the Clinton foundation... The same foundation that 96% of her "tax donations" that were being bragged about went to... Since when does giving yourself money become "charity"? Hillary is for the following tax increases. Soda tax (cuz you're fat and liberals are better at spending your money than you are). Payroll tax hike (this will affect low and middle class the most, taking more money out of your pocket and putting it in politicians pockets. Because they are so frugal...) Small business tax hike (because they don't donate enough to liberalism, so they will be taxed out of business). 25% National gun tax (obvious liberal target) Carbon Tax (fuel, tax on middle class and lower classes) Estate Tax increases (taking family money and giving it to washington to waste) "fairness" tax increase... Stock tax increase (do you have a 401k? Then this will affect you). http://www.atr.org/full-list-hillary-s-planned-tax-hikes Trump has said he will lower taxes. So clearly there will be a big difference for each of us in this election. And I didn't even talk about the massive failure of Obamacare, which did exactly what I predicted. How are you guys enjoying your $1,500 a month crappy insurance that doesn't cover much...? ------------- They tremble at my name... 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 August 2016 at 2:01pm
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Most of the folks here are still in the receiver part of all these wonderful liberal programs. Once they 'graduate' into the paying part for other's 'free' stuff they might understand. Fun culture, the more you succeed, the more the government feels they can take, as long as those in government don't lose theirs. Oh and Hillary is against 'fences' but her estate as well as the DNC convention were and are surrounded by fences to keep undesirables out, and people with guns, another Liberal bugaboo, protect them. The double standard thing....again. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 22 August 2016 at 5:12pm
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Haha i don't receive jack. But i sure do love hearing my elderly customers cry about the ACA while siphoning from Medicare and Social Security. The more I more hear it, the more death panels sound reasonable. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 August 2016 at 9:23pm
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ACA is totally dysfunctional for the people that actually have to pay for it, if you are subsidized guess it's great. Medicare and Social Security are 'paid for' programs as well. Even though I do not use it or need it, my Social Security Check is taxed for Medicare, and I paid for my Social Security as well. Nothing for me has been 'free', I earned it one way or another, and was not 'entitled' to it like this generation feels they are. Is a nut shell Hillary is going to change my families income to tax ratio for the worse, more of fruits of my labor to pay for someone else's, far less motivated. I pay 63% of my income to ALL combined taxes, don't get refunds, or credits, actually paying taxes. Hillary's new tax plan will raise that percentage, because to the privledged political class I don't pay enough to keep them in privledge. Why does Congress getr a raise and I barely or never due based on the cost of living complaints the political 'elite' see as a problem they have. Or those dependent on my money for their income. End of today's rant. Again I vote for who damages my wallet the least...you'll learn. -------------
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Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 1:34am
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/feb/01/medicare-and-social-security-what-you-paid-what-yo/ Overall people receive more than they put into Social Security. You won't hear me defending ACA. As a single, healthy adult. I am part of the group that helps pay for this subsidization. By the way, when Trump says "Make America Great Again", at which point in our history is he attempting to return us to? |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 4:52am
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I kinda like the America of my youth in the 60's and 70's. Still industrial and plenty of jobs, Dad worked and Mom did not have to, could if she wanted though. Immigrants wanted to still be American's, not today's hyphenated whoever's from wherever living here in recreated enclave wherever's, and demanding we change our society and culture to them rather than they assimulate as ours generations prior. Our great industrial cities hammering out fair priced hard goods, now a wasteland of abandoned factories and crime (Detroit for example). I don't know, for those of you born 95 and later you really have no clue on who and what we American's were prior to 92. Our father's made the world safe from Nazi's and Imperial Japan, came home and made America what is was from 45-88, we ourselves stood on the line between Communism and Freedom, and today this administration won't even address the fact that radical ideologies are at declared war on us. I have no regrets growing up and living life as I did. CXonsidered it a 'Great' era, I adapted to the changes, had to, but long for the days of a simpler times, everyone not wandering in their 'cubicle' of silence, cell phone glued to their ear, and whatever they do 'wrong' is the fault of someone else, and life is not fair, and everyone gets a trophy for just being there. Oh, and I understand how what I put into Social Security has already been paid out to me, now 3 taxpayers support 1 Social Security individual. I did not design the system, and it was designed for the lifespan of that era, not planning on you living well past 65. -------------
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 1:05pm
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I'd like to see a country that didn't have politicians who go into office poor and leave rich... While spending money like only a politician can, trillions at a time. What are we up to, 19 trillion in debt now... And Hillary will only increase that spending more and more. Look at every liberally run city in America, Show me ONE that is well run... To think that liberals run education while destroying the country and teaching the kids lies is just pathetic. Course with Obamacare now they own all of us silly little people as we have to give them 1/5 of our income as a "tax" under the guise of "healthcare"... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 1:22pm
Frankly, I wouldnt want our next generations education based on republican values (science, anyone?). There are plenty of "liberally" run areas that are run just fine. Take a look at economic confidence polling. Take a look at median income. Take a look at education funding. You're making things up as you go here - which this election cycle is par for the course.
The 60-70's are gone, there's no going back. Thats not the world we exist in today. The "great industrial cities" are gone too. Unless we want to cut worker wages to compete to the point they cant afford the things they are making they arent coming back either. "Those who grew up in the 90's" are dealing with what your generation has left for us. Keep that in mind - thats our reality. You're blaming people for wanting to hold onto their culture? How is that a problem with them? Thats on you. Its also a little ironic that they can't have their culture but you want them to have yours. People put their childhood on a pedestal as if we've fallen down since then. Think of how many quality of life advances we've made in those 40 years, the discoveries we've made - Cancers which would be a death sentence are now treatable. Given then and now - there's no way id pick "then".
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Posted By: FreeEnterprise
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 1:34pm
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So you couldn't find one city that is a beacon of leadership run by democrats? Surprising... What are these "republican values" in science that you are speaking of? I don't know of any specific "republican" standard in science at all... ------------- They tremble at my name...
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 1:45pm
Minneapolis is booming. You'll find some faults, but there isnt a city without them. The world isnt black and white. You didnt provide what cities would meet your criteria, so sorry that I didnt waste my time doing homework for you knowing full well you'd dismiss any claim made.
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 4:37pm
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You Won't See Me- Really you took the bait hook line and sinker and are running on your perceived and favored perceptions. Immigration is when one people immigrate for a better life and accepting and assimulating into the other culture. If not is becomes Invasion by Immigration and ask the Native Americans how well that worked out for them. Imagine if every European and Asian Culture that immigrated here from 1775-1930 maintained enclave communities and demanded each of their cultures be the 'dominant' one. When they came here they wanted a new life, not just a repeat of the life they left from wherever, if that life was so good, why did they come here? What lack of educational standards do you refer? Usually schools no matter who runs the Board have standards, Catholic Schools have a far higher standard than Public if you want to argue that point. But again you and yours tend to see religion as a threat to your communal belief system. The everyone is a winner Bravo Sierra is what causes this generation not to understand why they didn't get the job and why the other person was more qualified, we are all equal right, I got trophies to prove I participated, life ain't fair...gotta love it, and bet you never were an employer and heard this idiocy first hand. Having evolution and creationism taught teaches the young to critically think, and give them the ability to reinforce or reject their belief systems later on. Jamming just Liberalism down them is no better than Religion, choice is what made our past generations develop all we have now, did not instantly appear from the Liberal Fairey. I and my kids went to Catholic Schools and we all turned out fine, and can sort through all the worlds Bravo Sierra, because we have a wider view of the realities out here. And all of us have chosen how we accept those teachings, what freedom of thought is all about. But it appears Liberalism does not like competition, imagine that. The 60's and 70's may be gone, but the human animal that 'survived' that era are still longing for a change from this automated, individualism, and Marxian vision The Left has. Cubical cultures of computers and video game, lack of interpersonal communication skills, overall attitudes of we are better from youth, (that has been a constant through all generations, till they understand they are not when they 'grow up' and become their parents generation, remember we in the 60's were going to change the world, and hated 'The Man', now we are 'The Man'), Depend on government and other peoples money and we the government will solve all your problems. What you and your generation who never lived back in the day do not understand. Sometimes life is a little Darwinian, and if you actually believe that The Left fosters equality, explain the favored 'rich' and privledged on The Left being better than the 'rich' and privledged on The Right. Did you get a 6 figure salary right after college? Chesea did....so much for anti White Privledge Hillary. Flush out your headgear, someday you kids and grandchildren are going to ask the hard questions on why, and your answers will be? -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 25 August 2016 at 7:36am
This. And telling me I 'have to pick one or the other' because if I don't, I'm securing the win for the candidate that YOU don't like, is a dick move. "If you don't vote for the lesser of two evils, the greater evil will win, you don't want that do you? Vote for my candidate." I flat-out refuse to pick one of these cretins for my next president. If the nation as a whole decides they want to...fine. But I'm not going to compromise my integrity because a Trump/Clinton supporter pretending to be undecided has told me I have to. ESPECIALLY if you don't live in a battleground state that traditionally votes one way or the other. What difference does it make if you vote for Gary Johnson, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or Foghorn Leghorn if the electorates are already bought and paid for? I still haven't made up my mind. Unless something amazing happens which endears HC or DT to me, which isn't likely, I won't cast a ballot for either of them. I'm still not completely sold on Johnson yet, but I'm not ruling him out either. Libertarians have a few platforms I don't necessarily agree with- but I'm not a single-issue voter either. ------------- ? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 August 2016 at 9:10am
I've sort of decided that if Florida is at all close, I'll vote Clinton, because more than anything I don't think Donald Trump is competent enough to perform the duties of president.
But if Florida is not close, I'll probably write in Tom Joad. I don't like Clinton, especially her foreign policy and tepid neo-liberalism, and I don't really see anything changing my mind on that. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 30 August 2016 at 9:16am
This has been posted here since I was a teenager. Funny enough, I've now got a decent-paying job, a 403b, and my own health insurance, and I still support single-payer healthcare, a $15-equivalent living wage, tuition-subsidized public colleges, and really a bunch of tax increases. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 30 August 2016 at 9:40am
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The you are the rarity out there. Once you are the employer maybe then you will understand that $15 an hour minimum in a competitive market place is not a 'good thing'. And notice the trend to automation in the minimal pay rate marketplace, who will pay $5.00 for a Big Mac to keep that underachiever employed? Or, that overseas made widget costing $2.00 pitted against a $7.00 widget made domestically because of the higher costs of labor? And as the employer and having $X as my cost for labor in order to stay in business and provide a competitive priced product or service, and then the employees demand $X+ in pay and benefits, my options are to increase product and or service cost, losing market share and furthering the problem of staying in business , or cut labor force and decrease hours for the 'survivors' in order to stay competitive. Economy 101. I am in a single payer system, The Veterans Administration Health Care System, and you really do not want this. Have you gone to your local VA Hospital and sat in the waiting room and observed or interviewed Veterans, bet not. You do understand the issues with England's National Health Care System correct, or the fiasco ACA has become. What is your total overall tax rate, all taxes annually combined? Right now I am at 62% of out total family income goes to taxes of some kind, from federal to communications taxes. Where is the 'that's enough' point in that equation? Get the wife, kids, and house, then get back to me. And why are more and more taxes demanded to support other people who somehow can't seem to motivate themselves above and beyond the this does not work lifestyle, let's try and improve ourselves. Lowly underpaid enlisted service member, pay far below my civilian counter parts, police officer, again not another high paying career field, yet somehow the family made it, kids off to college, after I paid local school taxes, then paid to put kids through private 'Catholic' school. It is called 'priorities' in that you can't have everything right now and you have to occasionally say no, and prioritize personal/family spending. You pay for what you can afford, not all the time what you want, and then when your budget is overwhelmed expect others to bail you out or pay for things you did not prioritize (college for the kids, for example). It's generational, and nothing is 'free' contrary to certain political beliefs. And once you run out of other peoples money, what then...see Venezuala. -------------
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 30 August 2016 at 11:44pm
| If people don't want to buy a 5 dollar Big Mac, then that product should be eliminated from the marketplace. I spend 15 to 25 dollars on hamburgers all the time. In and out pays their employees above minimum wage and if they need to increase the cost of their burgers and other products, the consumer will gladly pay for it. Same with foreign vs domestically produced products. I go out of my way and willing pay more to buy Made in the USA. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 31 August 2016 at 1:25am
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You all do understand that back in the day, Dad worked, made enough, mom stayed at home,(but with the option to work) and somehow we survived on one income. Then came 1964 and the tax increases, and all of a sudden middle class America could no long pay for what they could in 1963 and Mom had to go to work, and away the spiral went. What is the limit, as prices rise to compensate for the $15.00 minimum wage what have we accomplished overall? Higher pay, higher prices, and almost a Zero sum game. And how are we going to compensate the long term prior employees? Will their pay rise with their seniority or just get the $15.00 min the new walk in the door employee gets, explain then the lack of motivation. A classic case of all this is Venezuela, a micro attempt of what you all want, and what do we have left down there? Explain how rewarding mediocrity (minimum wage 'career workers') and not expecting then to rise in the workforce, instead drag the remainder of the workforce down to them. Idiocy. How did we generations prior manage to survive and succeed? The son of a career Air Force Officer, in military for 23yrs being paid far less than my civilian counter parts, worked law enforcement, again not another high paying career field in NYC, exchanged 23yrs of blood sweat and tears for my college and 'free' medical through the currently seriously flawed Veteran's Administration Health Care System. Strange how illegals are a higher priority for Health Care on the Government than Veterans who served that Government, we wait, they have no lines instant care and benefits, how does that happen if not fishing for potential Democrat voters? Lower the taxes, pay based on experience and skill, not just because they are there, return hard goods manufacturing to the US. And then see where we are. When high percentages of the population are on food stamps or other public assistance, paid for by we those of generations passed that actually worked hard to succeed, and are now punished by higher taxes to pay for these underachievers, what do you think we older 'middle class' people think of the new generation of we are owed this types. Yes we 'older' types are PO'd and all Hillary wants to do is take more of the fruits of our labor and give it to someone else, and we are at the end. Start paying 62% of your income to ALL taxes combined, and then get told by one party we need to raise your taxes, really is it that hard to understand. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 31 August 2016 at 7:03am
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I missed T&O. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 31 August 2016 at 10:56am
Same. I have less time to enjoy it though, which is a bummer. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 31 August 2016 at 11:02am
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In other news, Trump is flying to Mexico City to visit Mexico's President Nieto, then will give a speech in Arizona. It'll be interesting to find out what his immigration policy is now compared to what it was last week and the week before that, and before that, etc. Also, Clinton's likability numbers are at a record low for her, coming in at about 41%, close to being tied with Trump, who holds the record for statistically the least-likable presidential candidate in history. Everything is bad.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 31 August 2016 at 5:37pm
Yup. ------------- ? |
Posted By: spydercam
Date Posted: 01 September 2016 at 7:24am
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It´s a World wide Problem you can choose a person you vote but the corupt System will go on just with a different face for the People. They on top just take care of their rich friends which live on cost of tax payers, nature resurces, child workers etc. If i would be god i would kick all of them into jail and let them pay all the taxes back they robbed from tax payers(hard working People for less Money)!!! As Long i´m fine i´m happy without useless plastic, electronic etc. trash, which is just get prodused to make bored People happy !!! Rich bored People plus brainwashed armed People = war for nothing + dead civiliains(for shure more than 90% of mankind just want to live in peace) !!! But if rich try to get richer this will get a bad end for them but also for mankind too. So you have the choice you can go live in your brainwashed pink world or go use your brain and really Change something !!! I´m not optimistic but i still hope !!! The bad guys always use the worse to brainwash, so take care !!! Industry and friends tells much if the day is long  ------------- I like Tippmann !!! |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 10 September 2016 at 3:00pm
Fixed Better. What we need is a candidate that combines the strengths of both the Democratic and Republican nominees. You know . . . someone with the honesty of Hillary and the self-control and decorum of Donald. ------------- 
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 12 September 2016 at 6:28am
Thanks. I now have to pick tiny pieces of shrapnel out of my skin due to my sarcasm meter exploding... ------------- 
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 12 September 2016 at 1:12pm
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Just plan accordingly people, it is going to be a long 4 to 8 years after the past 8. I am good to go either way, settled in, home paid for, two vehicles paid for, motorcycles paid for, farm land all around, ability to self sustain. All took time. Odds are I will be gone in 2020, definitely taking dirt nap by 2024, wife is set up to survive, kids are prepped to cope, grandkids will be screwed, but at least I can look down and said did the best I could. Whale warned you a long time ago that once you start working time tends to disappear, now get the wife, kids, house and bills and you got even less time, and more importantly money. Welcome to the grown up world. Is your generation as well of as mine....don't think so, and it is going to get worse, as the next generation comes up behind you and demand more of what you worked for, so they can say 'life needs to be fair' for us. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 20 September 2016 at 4:20pm
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This election is now even because the Clinton 2016 campaign is the most inept group at messaging and recruiting I have maybe ever seen in a modern national campaign. Trump is stumbling into a tie because Clinton is not aware of the perception toward her in the slightest. How are they so bad at this. |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 20 September 2016 at 4:29pm
I don't think a universal healthcare system should run like the VA, though. The VA has major issues that all really stem from unpredictable funding and poor management. It can be easy to look at the poor management as proof that government cannot effectively manage healthcare -- but in reality, the issue us that people who are good at managing healthcare facilities and programs often don't make competitive money at the VA vs. a for-profit facility. I don't have all the answers, but I do think that the VA's method of owning facilities doesn't work. Even in a universal-coverage system, ownership of hospitals, clinics, etc., could remain in private hands, simply paid for by a pool of taxed money. Think about the setup with private contract prisons, except helping people get healthy instead of being evil. Let the people who know how to run healthcare run healthcare, just make sure that everyone has a fair right to access. I also don't think that an American universal healthcare system would look look the UK's NHS, or whatever the Canadians call their thing. We are a unique country with an enormous population -- our system will have to be different, built for us. But I think we should work toward building it. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 21 September 2016 at 4:57am
I think the debates will make or break the election. Hillary needs to trap Trump into going into a tirade... and Trump needs to be cool, collected, and tastefully bury Clinton. Every mark against Trump will be forgotten if he acts presidential until November. I'm sure the Clinton campaign probably has a smart board full of ideas to set off Trump -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 September 2016 at 11:24am
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I'm interested to see where the media campaigns go from here. Trump hasn't spent nearly as much so far. If I were him, I'd wait until about the second or third week of October to start buying ad space and then absolutely inundate the market. Ads only impact polling for a short period of time, so I'd like to see how effective it would be to create a massive, short term high volume media blitz versus the traditional 6 month long smear fest we typically see. (And like the Hillary campaign team is currently running) ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 21 September 2016 at 12:05pm
Because they're caught up in the Clinton cult of personality. They can't see why others can't bring themselves to vote for her because they can't see a reason not to. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 21 September 2016 at 11:46pm
This could be the most accurate thing said in this entire election cycle. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 22 September 2016 at 7:27pm
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All I know is I cannot wait to see this first debate no matter how it ends. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 24 September 2016 at 10:25am
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To me it will be interesting to see if Hillary goes into debate without ear bud, and those advisors telling her how to respond after that short 'delay'. Does she ever have a real thought of her own anymore. And then we have the New Yorker spontaneous response from Trump, sometimes rather funny, but I understand. The press is far too literal to understand Trump and his New York attitude. As I explain to the local Pollyanna Nebraska crowd, New Yorkers are famous for the blunt and argumentative response, the get you attention response initially, then we explain our point. The art of the kibitz. As I explained to my Nebraskan college professor friend. As a New Yorker the Democrats bring out a box, pull a Duck out of that box, and it looks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, then you state it is a Turkey, and 'you do not understand', we New Yorker's go "What are you fricking talking about, it is a Duck, are you that stupid?" and somehow we are the 'dumb' ones. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 24 September 2016 at 8:53pm
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Can we talk for a minute about how the Libertarian party had a chance to really start gaining a foothold for 4-12 years down the road(particularly Congressionally) and decided to make Gary Johnson their poster boy? ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 25 September 2016 at 8:38am
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He just came out of the gate too late, and initially was buried in the Trump/Clinton/Sanders media saturation. So now no matter how qualified he is a no win 'Perot' style candidate, just a spoiler for whoever he takes votes from. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 26 September 2016 at 12:34pm
Honestly, I disagree. I think if you look at the Johnson camp, they started their campaigning up 6-12 months before the big races really got started. However, every major campaign we've seen over the last year and a half has had incredibly obvious flaws.
And when I look at Johnson, his past, his politics, his personality? I don't see a guy that the Libertarian party put up as anything other than to 1) just get attention via the "any press is good press" mentality and 2) to appease/attract the portion of the voting populace that cares as much about being against the status quo as it does about his actual politics. I don't say that to dismiss the Libertarian party. Under different circumstances, I'd have most likely voted that way this year. But I don't like the Johnson pick for them. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 26 September 2016 at 6:14pm
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From my observation out here in fly over country (Nebraska) well into the campaign, as I puttered around a Bernie rally near the University of Nebraska campus, I asked several if anyone could name the 'other' candidates, they could ID Trump and Clinton and when I asked about the name Gary Johnson, got a 100% 'who' response. And in watching TV out here and news coverage, Johnson got no news coverage, or commercial time recognition. Basically a no one until maybe late August. So I can see that as a potential in far too many small marker election coverage areas. Just not enough exposure and name recognition. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 26 September 2016 at 10:30pm
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I have no idea what just happened. -------------
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 27 September 2016 at 8:39am
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Last night on my way into work, I started listening to the Saints/Falcons game. When the channel faded, I started scanning for another one. Just about every other channel landed me on the debate. All I could think was, "This sounds like two baboons squabbling over a piece of fruit." Just gave up and turned Pandora on... -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 27 September 2016 at 9:27am
I rarely talk about my fantasy football team, but i went into that game down 74 points and ended up winning. At least one competition last night benefited me. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: impulse418
Date Posted: 27 September 2016 at 10:16am
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It's great that the only thing they agreed on, was stripping away 2nd Amendment rights with zero due process. And Donald sure does love stop and frisk also. They are both repulsive. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 September 2016 at 1:55pm
Yep, that's been my takeaway from the Cliffs' Notes version. Pisses me off to no end. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 27 September 2016 at 10:11pm
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It was essentially just a series of live attack ads followed by the candidates reaction. -------------
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 September 2016 at 1:10am
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I watched the whole debate. Alcohol was a must. Hillary seemed really fake at times with a lot of seemingly canned answers, which is part of the problem she has appealing to many people. Way too much of a politician and slightly robotic, and people find it off-putting and not genuine. This is only partly why I really don't fancy her too much. BUT..... Trump really blew it. Jesus Christ, the rambling answers, bragging about not paying taxes, that bizarre non-sequitur about his 10 year old son and how good he is with computers in the middle of a cybersecurity question, you know, "the cyber." One of these two will be president. It's not what a lot of people wanted, but my God. I can't understand why anyone thinks Trump is remotely qualified for this job. I have a feeling it's either that party affiliation is strong enough that people will vote for their team no matter what, or that they hate liberals so much they also don't care who gets in as long as it ain't no stinkin' liberal, so they'll burn it all to the ground. I really don't like Hillary. I was for Bernie and voted in the primary for him. Never voted in a primary before- gonna make it my goal to never miss one again. Anyway, I said I'd never vote for Hillary ever, but I changed my mind a few weeks ago. One of these two will be president. They might both suck, but one sucks at least a degree of magnitude less than the other. It's still close in Ohio. I'm not going to toss my vote away. The thought of Trump potentially nominating up to 4 new Supreme Court Justices absolutely terrify me. I wish we always had a choice that was ideologically pure for everyone, but that isn't how politics usually work. Trump terrifies me, and I live in a swing state that has recently edged toward Trump. You know who I'll be voting for. Begrudgingly, but necessarily the way I see it. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 28 September 2016 at 7:55am
On the flip-side. The idea of Hillary nominating 4 new Supreme Court Justices terrifies me as well, especially if one of them is the current POTUS. -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 28 September 2016 at 11:02am
Yeah, the Supreme Court is what eventually drove me to my decision to vote for Trump. There were several I liked more than him, both Republican and Libertarian, but given that Hillary is the alternative... That said, I'm still on the "everybody this year sucks" bandwagon. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 28 September 2016 at 4:31pm
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One, that was the worst debate performance I've ever seen from someone running for public office of any kind. And I used to cover local government. Clinton didn't even do a great job, but Trump managed to somehow come in under his already really low expectations. Two, I've decided that I'm voting for Clinton because I live in a close swing state, and like was said, under no circumstances should Donald Trump ever come close to being allowed to pick Supreme Court justices. His reaction to stop-and-frisk during the debates sealed the deal for me. When told that a thing he was praising on stage had been found unconstitutional, his response was to say "no it wasn't" and ignore the correction. He just seems to lack the cognitive capacity to know how law/government actually functions. That or he just doesn't care, which I think is probably more accurate. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 12:38am
But wasn't the eventual ruling that stop-and-frisk in and of itself wasn't unconstiutional, but that the way that Bloomberg and Kelly had it implemented WAS? Obviously to target anyone based on race is not okay and should be struck down, but stop and frisk in and of itself as an idea in high-crime areas is sort of an extension of Terry v. Ohio. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Eville
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 2:42am
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The way I see it, if you want supreme court justices that will always rule in favor of business regardless of how it screws over the middle and lower classes, then vote for Trump. -------------
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 2:43am
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Damn I am so sick of this. If I have to unfriend any more political experts on FB I will have to close my account. Coming from experience of bad presidents you guys are in trouble either way it goes. I don't know much about your 3rd party guy, he may be ok or he may be "not Trump/Hillary". As far as I can see from this side of the ocean you don't have much positives running for either major candidate. There is a LONG list of negatives for both. ------------- Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. H = 2 |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 8:15am
When the guy who has had to deal with 20+ years of ANC rule says you're screwed, you're screwed.... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 8:33am
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[QUOTE=usafpilot07] But wasn't the eventual ruling that stop-and-frisk in and of itself wasn't unconstiutional, but that the way that Bloomberg and Kelly had it implemented WAS? [quote] Yes, but the context in which he was speaking, and the context of the question was being asked, was specifically concerning how it had been implemented in New York City, primarily by Giuliani. That's where my concern lies -- because he was talking about how great the policy had been in NYC, when that implementation was the one that was found to be relying heavily on racial targeting and didn't fall within the set SCOTUS parameters from other cases. And, really, this is just one example of something that concerns me, which is his absolute denial of facts on issues where he's been corrected. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 9:07am
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 11:19am
Apparently it's not a big issue, mind you. No one seems to want to acknowledge the underlying issues that stuck us with these two clowns in the first place. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 12:11pm
Primarily a GOP that refuses to modernize and actually attempt to activate the untapped potential for young fiscal conservative/socially liberal voters by sticking to the "family values" version of the Republican party that hasn't changed its strategies in 30 years and a DNC that has a playbook so simple that everyone in the country can call their plays before the next "snap." ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 1:06pm
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 2:54pm
Yup. Like I said, I'm voting for Trump reluctantly, but I absolutely see why so many don't like him. I found a great article a while back about the ways the Republican party could have/should rebrand(ed) by realizing that making social platforms is going to be a losing proposition moving forward, and that if they don't realize it and start utilizing young fiscal conservative/social liberal voters, it's going to spiral until there is the DNC and a couple of "third party" equivalents fighting for scraps. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 September 2016 at 12:18pm
I would identify myself as one of those financially conservative/socially liberal voters, and I will be voting for Clinton for sure. I never thought I would have to communicate those words to another person, but I find Donald Trump to be an unacceptable option for the leader of my country. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 30 September 2016 at 11:18pm
The Supreme Court justices, and that's literally it. I don't like Trump as the GOP candidate, but I have to at least hope that as long as he's trying to pretend to be a republican, he'd select justices I can at least be okay with. ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 October 2016 at 10:49am
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 02 October 2016 at 2:17pm
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International Trade agreements that put the US in the position of disadvantage should be dissolved ASAP. NAFTA included. America should be first, products profitable and able to be made here, no rebranded Chinese or other junk flooding our markets making China 'rich' and America poorer. Right now we need a true America first, world and immigrants second for awhile to recoup all we lost in this New World economy failed exercise. And still baffles me why illegal immigrants are higher in priority in medical care, than our Veterans? Explain that to me. -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 02 October 2016 at 4:33pm
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 02 October 2016 at 11:10pm
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I don't know, ask the Ford Small Auto Division employees that just had their jobs move to Mexico if they are not in a disadvantaged job market being a US labor force. Or the Carrier Air Conditioner employees that had their jobs move to Mexico if they are not in a disadvantaged labor market. Or Nabisco workers.....we can go on. NAFTA just allows US companies to manufacture in Mexico at far lower labor rates and ship the products here to sell at a full price based on a US labor force labor rates. When Ford for example moves small cars to Mexico for production will the American MSRP go down based on lower wage rate for the Mexican worker, you know the answer. Understand that a return of manufacturing to the US is not practical, but why facilitate more manufacturing plants and moves to foreign markets, and the loss of US jobs? How is it not troubling that our consumer needs are offering more jobs to overseas manufacturing markets than to our own workers? -------------
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 October 2016 at 10:30am
First of all, NAFTA has little to do with it being cheaper to outsource. It would still be cheaper to outsource without NAFTA's help. NAFTA benefits the customer as much as anyone else because we can buy a wider variety of products and spend less money for those products at the same time. NAFTA also does not make Mexican labor cheaper. Mexican labor IS cheaper, and then NAFTA reduces the taxes and tariffs associated with bringing their products into the US. It does suck to be a Carrier Air Conditioner guy in the US right now. Which is why we need to start teaching our citizens not to rely on fields of industry that aren't likely to prosper in the US anymore. Stop trying to play checkers while the rest of the world is playing chess. If you are a US citizen and you want to retire into the upper middle class - you should NOT be perusing a career as a machinist, or an architect, or as an air conditioning manufacturer. If that's your passion, that's fine - but be realistic about what we are dealing with. Those jobs don't need to be performed here. In fact, if you send them to another country to be done, the end product will be dramatically cheaper to buy. A modernized economy needs high levels of education, and service jobs are much more standard than any type of manufacturing job. The US needs engineers, doctors, professors, accountants, more entrepreneurs, more jobs that involve trading your specialized knowledge and time for someone else's money (and most importantly) cannot economically be outsourced to another nation. We are not a nation of builders anymore - dollar for dollar, citizen for citizen, we just can't compete the global cost-of-labor numbers. If you want to discuss our countries competitive advantages, right now all I have got to offer you is education. Don't get me wrong, currently, I work in a factory that makes batteries for NASA, DARPA, and the medical industries. It is a good living while I have it. However, I'm also pursuing my second bachelor's degree and as I'm working here, I'm working toward a career in Engineering. I am not working here because US manufacturing has a new golden age on the horizon. Yes, it sucks for the Nabisco guys. I'm not trying to downplay this - it really does. However I would offer them the same piece of advice that I gave you in my previous reply. "Don't blame economics." Increased automation is going to be a thing. Increased outsourcing is also going to be a thing. Companies making hard decisions that put some US citizens in a difficult place financially - is also going to be a thing. It is going to be a thing because just like people, businesses are faced by a complex set of factors that drive their decisions. If a company does not stay competitive, it fails. There is not enough beautifully articulated sentiment in the world to cover up the fact that these practices are less expensive and more efficient than the alternatives. It's just supply and demand. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 03 October 2016 at 3:39pm
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Trump is very bad at running for president. When faced with a near-tie situation in national polling, after clawing his way back from being behind nearly 12 points he:
I get that with guys like Bannon running the campaign, the strategy is very much about letting Trump do what he wants, but at some point someone has to look at the numbers and realize that every time he does this, he sinks whatever effort is made by acting like a real candidate. Same thing that happened when he spent two weeks attacking the parents of a dead veteran is happening now. Boy. |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 03 October 2016 at 5:53pm
Ford won't lose any employees. They are going to produce different models at the same plant where the small cars were previously manufactured. Small cars are not profitable in the United States. That is why they are cutting manufacturing costs by moving production to Mexico. Selling a product for less than what you made it for wouldn't make sense. Selling it at cost doesn't make sense either. They really had no choice. Would you pay $22,000+ for a Ford Fiesta? I doubt many people would. Protectionist policies of the past have never done anything to spur the economy in the United States. In fact it has done the opposite. Whenever we have put tariffs on any imports that undercut comparable products made here, corresponding tariffs to our exports are put into place. Free trade is the only way to keep prices down in the United States. -------------
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 04 October 2016 at 10:02pm
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Anyone want to sum up the veep debate? I'm not watching. I consider myself very right wing but I'm very sour on pence. I believe that "religious freedom" or whatever silly anti-gay bills he signed do not belong in 2016. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 05 October 2016 at 9:39am
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Another boring, yada, yada, yada, what my Candidate says debate... I lasted 15min before Netflix. And WHY on almost every channel, complete with their opinions, all different of course. -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 October 2016 at 10:11pm
Kaine talked about Trump's refusal to release his tax returns, kinda shoehorned it into every response. Pence tried to keep himself from having to defend stuff Trump has said about women, Hispanic people, etc.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 05 October 2016 at 10:26pm
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I've come to the conclusion that the moderators for all of these debates need to be chosen from a pool of preschool teachers. They at least know how to stop inane bickering and move things on. ------------- ? |
Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 05 October 2016 at 10:30pm
The good news is Martha Raddatz is the next moderator up. She seems like she's less likely to let things get out of control.
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Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 06 October 2016 at 4:10pm
At the risk of being hysterically funny, the moderators should be able to cut off the microphones of those who are debating. To do one better, each person should have to wear a shock collar the moderator controls. Anyone that likes to interrupt when it is not their time to talk gets a zap.  -------------
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Posted By: agentwhale007
Date Posted: 07 October 2016 at 5:13pm
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Well I'd link to the most-recent Trump scandal, but I think it's probably against forum rules. But it's not good, and I think, only a month out, this is probably the end.
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