Safety Warning / CO2 Tanks
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Topic: Safety Warning / CO2 Tanks
Posted By: Kevin Z
Subject: Safety Warning / CO2 Tanks
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 3:15pm
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This needs to be in the Upgrades and Customizing, because the Consumer Products Commission determined that a primary cause of the valve coming loose may be an improper anti-siphon install.
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml04/04105.html - CPSC Issues New Safety Warning for Paintball Guns "It is critical that the valve be re- installed with the appropriate adhesive and the proper torque." BTW, Thanks, but "KirkWade" Gets the credit for the Link. Please read, and tell everyone you know. ------------- United States Marine Corps.... When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight! Just say NO to junk mods |
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Posted By: corgan
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 3:32pm
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WOW... ------------- A-5 E-Grip Flatline Silencer Car Stock Coiled Remote Dye Boomstick Double Trigger Palmer Stabilizer Polished Internals Laser Sight w/ Remote 20 oz. Tank w/ Anit-Siphon |
Posted By: Large Unit
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 3:54pm
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Good job Kevin, It is good for anyone about to get an anti siphon to read this! In fact, when I got an anti siphon installed in my tank it was unscrewing from the valve!! I took it off the gun with a wrench (which I don't recomend anyone does, just take it right to your pro shop) and took it to a pro shop. |
Posted By: red_alert102
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 4:06pm
| yea good job with this post get the word out and i saw it on the news to. I heard two people died it is very sad. |
Posted By: rmorey
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 5:06pm
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I must admit... I thought this was another rumor (good job, Kevin!!!) ------------- You are never beaten until you admit it. - G. Patton |
Posted By: AlmightyBG
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 5:57pm
| i was just going to get one tomorrow |
Posted By: DemonPaintball
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 6:59pm
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That's sad that the people died, and how it's unsafe, but how uncareful must these people have been?! this recently happened to me, over at my good friends house, we had finished testing my flatline, and as I went to take off my tank, I noticed ( very obviously I might add) that the copper part was not turning, so when I noticed,( It was very hard to miss Co2 was flying everywhere...) I let it leak all the way out, then took it to my local proshop, problem solved, no more issues with the tanks. ------------- When I howl, the world shatters. When I hunt, the world is over. And your next... 
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Posted By: Txvman
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 10:19pm
Even thou I agree that this is the most likely reason, you are misquoting the article. Correct quotes are very important especially when posting to a public forum. With what’s going on with paintball accidents at this time someone may pass that misquote on to other less knowledge people, like moms and dads that don't know paintball. This is NOT a dis or a flame.
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Kevin Z wrote:Posted By: teabag_joe
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 11:39pm
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Great post. Due to the fact that a mother was killed not long ago cause of a tank valve coming off the tank and hitting her in the back of the head. Sad and now that the word is out it can stop from trgedyies like this happening again. TWO THUMBS WAY UP THERE. Teabag_joe |
Posted By: TippyManic32
Date Posted: 26 March 2004 at 11:48pm
| I'll stick with my nitro, but i feel sad for those two people |
Posted By: Kevin Z
Date Posted: 27 March 2004 at 12:53am
OOOOOOHHHHHHH baby, unscrew the valve off a 4000 PSI nitro tank and it will take someones head off in the next county. not just the next table. I think you should take the same precaution. ------------- United States Marine Corps.... When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight! Just say NO to junk mods |
Posted By: hatemeplease
Date Posted: 27 March 2004 at 8:22am
tears wah 
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Posted By: SpYdErOwNeR
Date Posted: 28 March 2004 at 5:10pm
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i just installed 2 anti siphons on both my 20's. i
used blue loctite on one. i just tightened it a lot, my torque wrench doesnt fit on smart parts valves. and i used red loctite on the other one. the blue one held up fine. i didnt get the one with the red loctite filled yet. i sopposed it will be fine. red loctite is pretty strong stuff ------------- AIM: CHSpaintball540 |
Posted By: Vigilante212
Date Posted: 28 March 2004 at 10:10pm
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Yea you should have used high strength loctite(red) for both of them. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ashran
Date Posted: 29 March 2004 at 5:18pm
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Holy crap, that's for people taking shortcuts, that'd be sweet if they
were brass eagle tanks so they had to god out of business or something
;)
------------- 2k4 Viking SCM, MM JMJ roller trigger WAS 1.6 WAS eyes, WAS switch Dye Minidrop CP on/off |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 29 March 2004 at 5:38pm
| this doesnt have to do with anti-siphon, but can the parts come apart on nitro tanks too? |
Posted By: JBird33
Date Posted: 30 March 2004 at 8:02pm
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It has a regulator on the tank, just like a CO2 tank does, so yes. However, there is no reason to take apart an HPA tank for something like an anti-siphon, as it would serve no purpose. The only reason one would have to take the reg off of an HPA tank that I can think of is to replace the internal O-ring. But, to answer your question, it still could happen. It would be a lot more purposeful, and a much larger mistake to do it, but it is still plausible. ------------- 
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Posted By: Whazuuup!
Date Posted: 05 April 2004 at 2:48pm
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When installing an anti-siphon tank, you have to take the valve off. Reinstallation of the valve is the part that you would be most likely to mess up and that would result in a big time safety hazard! So what is the proper torque that you are supposed to put on the valve? I didn't see it there. ------------- 
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Posted By: skeltonjoe
Date Posted: 05 April 2004 at 3:51pm
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you really have to be careful about what you do with or to your tanks ive had a few 12grams blow up in my face when i was using my Zeus Pistol and the valve exploded on one of my 20oz that i used to my A-5 you really cant be too careful ------------- Tippmann A-5 Flatline Barrel Teflon Powertube and Venturi Bolt MP5 Style Strap Sten Gun Handle Double Trigger Scope |
Posted By: Ashran
Date Posted: 05 April 2004 at 6:45pm
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Doesn't HPA tnaks have a pin even b4 the reg? ------------- 2k4 Viking SCM, MM JMJ roller trigger WAS 1.6 WAS eyes, WAS switch Dye Minidrop CP on/off |
Posted By: Tippy13
Date Posted: 06 April 2004 at 8:44pm
I wouldn't be talking, your the one with the spyder.  lol. And Brass Eagle tanks aren't all that bad, and actually brass eagle is one of the premier co2 tank manufacturers.------------- Rockin' the E-bladed Outkast *Relentless* |
Posted By: D-ballz
Date Posted: 09 April 2004 at 10:23pm
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ok dont laugh at me but. whats a anti-siphon? ------------- 98c Lapco Bigshot 12" blowback vents and soon to get- remote Stock Polished internals |
Posted By: The Fenix
Date Posted: 10 April 2004 at 4:26pm
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ahaha owned ------------- My Life style determines my death style! 6x a year paintballer! |
Posted By: clownshooter
Date Posted: 12 April 2004 at 9:45pm
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An anti-siphon install is not potentially dangerous so long as it is done correctly. I have installed them on all my CO2 tanks including those with pin valves. Blue loctite will work fine to prevent the tank from screwing off of the valve; make sure you give it the proper cure time as listed in the instructions. The tank valve screws into the tank and seals by means of an o-ring at the top of the tank valve threads. The valve should be screwed in tightly, but do not over torque it. As always, when in doubt take it to your local pro shop. |
Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 15 April 2004 at 10:27pm
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well this surely changed my mind on getting na anti-syphon...and has inspired me to paint on my tank
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Posted By: betterpunk
Date Posted: 17 April 2004 at 12:23am
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I live in tennessee and about an hour away from my house, some kid had installed his anti-siphon hardware wrong. when he unscrewed his tank from his gun, the end shot off and killed his mom. |
Posted By: El Ced
Date Posted: 20 April 2004 at 12:37am
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Thanks, I just had one installed on my 20oz tank.
I will mark it now. Great post. ------------- Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds. NEVER... taunt the happy fun ball! |
Posted By: KRIM
Date Posted: 21 April 2004 at 2:11pm
| great post man im going to do that white out thing now that i read this |
Posted By: paint_baller200
Date Posted: 22 April 2004 at 11:05am
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ya that was pretty crazy the family of the lady that got killed was on nationla news DISing paintball. ------------- TiPpYmAnN-98 Custom GTA-Response Trigger GTA-Double Trigger GTA-Rear Cocking Kit Twisted Blue Drop 32 Degrees Carbine Fiber Barrel VL EVO 2 Cross Fire 48ci 3000psi |
Posted By: paintingpeanut
Date Posted: 27 April 2004 at 7:15pm
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what ive been hearing around here in the tip of wv is that it was because of a company that didnt put loc-tite on in the assembley line but im not sure but anyways if you dont use loc-tite youre an idiot ------------- 
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Posted By: Mobius1
Date Posted: 30 April 2004 at 11:56pm
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heh a nitro bottle would be gad like a miniscuba bottle. and when a full scuba bottle has the valve blown off.. my god it is friggen destructive. they showed us a video of one "fragmenting" and crap it went a friggen long way smashed the 2 cinder block walls oike they were made of butter. ------------- OI OI OI! |
Posted By: Zippy4Tippyz
Date Posted: 02 May 2004 at 2:35pm
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yes this is very sad. and its this type of stuff that makes the sport of paintball look bad. oh and by the way good post. ------------- Tippy 98C Tippy R/T Tippy rearcocker SmartParts 14in teardrop 32*expansion chamber 32*Star Fire bolt JMJ 2x Trigger guard w/ D/F empire on/off Dye Sticky grip 12Vrevy X ProLight mini drop |
Posted By: TimmayTippay
Date Posted: 08 May 2004 at 8:18pm
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what if there is no co2 in the canister and it is accidently taken off? ------------- soccer...bluhh =D, jk |
Posted By: TippyManic32
Date Posted: 09 May 2004 at 2:03pm
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yea the only thing is, a C02 tank would be like a mortar shell coming off, a nitro tank would be like a shell fired off a battleship coming apart. |
Posted By: TippyManic32
Date Posted: 09 May 2004 at 2:06pm
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well thats when you put the anti-syphon in, when the tank is enpty, nothing would happen but still be careful there could be some left. My friend thought his tank was empty because his gun stopped firing, he unscrewed it and put it abck in and shot my in the foot |
Posted By: ghilliesnipe
Date Posted: 10 May 2004 at 11:34am
| My friend let me borrow his 98 custom for a game which has a 68/4500 nitro tank on it. It was down at 1000psi when I went to have it refilled. I was really new to paintball then, so I unscrewed the tank, but didn't notice that it was comming off wrong. All of a sudden, a very loud rushing air sound came from the tank after I got it off. Confused, I walked over to the fill station and the guy took one look at it, took a step back and said WHOA!. YES THE VALVE CAN COME OFF A NITRO TANK TOO!!!!! |
Posted By: tippmannguy98
Date Posted: 19 May 2004 at 6:17pm
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One of the people that died was a parent at a kids birthday party. ------------- you shoot 20bps you carry 1500 rounds of paint you got a 114ci tank and you still cant hit me shoulda had your tippmann!! |
Posted By: Josh112589
Date Posted: 21 May 2004 at 9:07am
That is insane
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Posted By: capcadetspencer
Date Posted: 22 May 2004 at 12:36pm
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Wow that is terrible! I feel so sorry for those kids...
------------- To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift -Steve Prefontaine |
Posted By: ChadwickVM
Date Posted: 24 May 2004 at 3:22pm
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To answer D-ballz question, an anti siphon is just a straw that goes fromt he valve of your tank (inside it from the front) pretty much to the back of it (inside). Without anti-siphon tube anything can be let out of the front valve. With an anti-siphon in, the tube (really just a straw) stays in the back middle of the tank. This makes it so that only gas CO2 can be pushed out of the tank, in theory. Another example: If you use a remote line, all the liquid CO2 will pool at the bottom of the tank and the anti-siphon straw will be submerged in it. This will make the tank a siphon tank and you will only get liquid out of the tank for the most part. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. |
Posted By: GunSamuri
Date Posted: 24 May 2004 at 3:52pm
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Thx for the post i think im gunna paint a line on the joint incase the tank where to ever come undone. I whink thats a good habit to do to your Co2 tanks especially if u do things like take tanks apart at home you never know when something like this can happen everyone should be aware that paintball is dangerous and paintball markers are not just toys. ------------- Tippmann A5 Flatline Barrel Egrip W/DF Trigger 6 stage X chamber Rear Velocity Adjuster Yea I may be Cocky but I have the skills to back it up :P |
Posted By: paintball_1199
Date Posted: 25 May 2004 at 12:14am
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the 2 deaths were caused by a modification (putting the anti-siphon in). but there is also a recall on some tanks too. historicaly the department of transportation did not require thread locking compound, but they did have a high torque requirement for the tanks. after these acidents some of the manufacuers of co2 tanks put a memo on there sites with the tanks that were being recalled due to no thread locking compound. most of the recalls were tanks that do not have a "rehydor test" sticker on them. i do not know the year that some of these companys started puting locktite on there tanks but it has never been a mandatory thing. so for those companys they issued a warning for some of there old tanks to be hydrotested and some of there newer ones to be recalled. ------------- bad dogs paint ball.. www.freewebs.com/teambaddogs |
Posted By: Raven Nexion
Date Posted: 30 May 2004 at 1:01pm
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What is an anti-siphon??? ------------- 
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Posted By: 133t
Date Posted: 30 May 2004 at 7:07pm
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Good find! It's very true that you need to be very carefull with the anti
siphon. Thanks for the warning. ------------- 
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Posted By: speedballer560
Date Posted: 31 May 2004 at 8:30pm
good post thanks ------------- 98 custom R-T 2x trigger 14" Progressive 48ci3k psi 32degrees drop Ricrochet ak macro line 8" bigshot smart parts on/off adapter Rocket cock II |
Posted By: tippysnyper98
Date Posted: 01 June 2004 at 3:25pm
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i took mine to my shop to get it installed ------------- Angels? We dont need no stinkin Angels! |
Posted By: metalmeshuggah
Date Posted: 11 June 2004 at 1:21am
| looks like a few guys are still thinking the anti-siphon itself caused the accident. sounds to me like it was an improper installation. the anti-siphon tubes are perfectly safe if installed correctly. I just want to point out that just because a shop does it dont get careless. shops dont always do it right. I always ask to watch when a shop does a quick job like that. I have an old gun that runs on liquid & had to have a siphon tube installed in a tank. the guy didnt use loc tite & just snugged the valve on. I had to call the manager over after the guy argued with me about it. was glad I watched him or it could have been really bad. back in 1988 I was at a field & their fill station fell over & knocked the valve off the fill tank...sounded like a rocket going through the woods, bouncing off trees. |
Posted By: bigmike102
Date Posted: 11 June 2004 at 1:48pm
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wow my mom heard about this and almost took my gun away ------------- . |
Posted By: Mamba2SFG
Date Posted: 19 June 2004 at 11:42pm
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I feel bad for the families of
the victims. I just wonder how many close calls of this same type
have happened that didn't hurt anyone? Just the thought of one of my 20 Oz. tanks taking off like that makes me cringe. That would tighten up the old butt cheeks real good!  ------------- Tippy A5,flatline,responce,F/X stock,32 deg. remote, red dot sight, CO2 |
Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 28 June 2004 at 6:10am
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HPA time lol. ------------- 6,600 posts. I need a lifE |
Posted By: Bo_vq
Date Posted: 12 July 2004 at 4:42pm
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Just to let everyone know New tanks CAN unscrew at the valve. I know, I work for a local sporting goods store were I sale paintball guns, co2 tanks as well as fill them. I sold this guy a new tank and 2 days later he came back and told me about his tank coming apart at the valve. Last week I RTV 2 more tanks because of this problem. The tanks I have had a problem with have been the 20 oz Java tanks, that we no longer carry. So watch out even if you have a new tank whatever the size is or make. ------------- If it moves... Shoot it!! |
Posted By: slimjim23
Date Posted: 24 July 2004 at 10:22am
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sorry if this sounds stupid, but i'm not good at all these technical terms. can someone dumb down the article thing in that link for me? |
Posted By: Kevin Z
Date Posted: 25 July 2004 at 3:39pm
The valve may unscrew from the tank,  if it does a full tank will take off like a rocket... two bystanders have been killed.
If you mod your tank, use locktite when you reassemble, and mark it so you can easily tell if it's unscrewing. ------------- United States Marine Corps.... When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight! Just say NO to junk mods |
Posted By: FlatlinePwnage
Date Posted: 27 July 2004 at 11:15am
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i want to say and its a guess here but, g-unit? ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom Flatline Barrel System Pistol (james bond style) and i can still shoot further than ur 1500$ guns |
Posted By: slimjim23
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 4:52pm
| wow so how will we know if our valve is coming off? if it was, is it a gradual process and then one day it comes right off? or is everything about your tank gonna be great until one day BOOM? |
Posted By: Kevin Z
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 9:53pm
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Paint a line accross the valve and the tank, if it ever becomes missaligned, you know it's worked loose. ------------- United States Marine Corps.... When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight! Just say NO to junk mods |
Posted By: 98c-Ownage
Date Posted: 01 August 2004 at 1:38pm
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lol flatline pwnage u crack me up ur the koolest man lol yo its a good thing people like the creater of this thread are around otherwise a lot of people could have gotten hurt ------------- 98c Flatline Polished Internals Trigger Stop Double Trigger 32* Remote Redz 2and1 harness Stinless Steel Bolts Those who see me fear me, those who don't see me fear me more - Semper Fi |
Posted By: 98c-Ownage
Date Posted: 01 August 2004 at 1:40pm
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true that ------------- 98c Flatline Polished Internals Trigger Stop Double Trigger 32* Remote Redz 2and1 harness Stinless Steel Bolts Those who see me fear me, those who don't see me fear me more - Semper Fi |
Posted By: 98c OwNaGe
Date Posted: 06 August 2004 at 9:12am
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Good thing the person who wrote this post wrote it otherwise a lot of people could have gotten hurt. ------------- 98c Trigger Stop Red Dot Pointer Flatline Barrel Redz 2+1 Harness GTA Double Trigger Steel Screws http://tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID =109849&PN=1&TPN=1 |
Posted By: Arbites
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 5:40pm
You are close. The straw in an anti-syphon is actually curved back to point towards the valve. It is important that the tank be set up for the individual marker so that it will curve and further out of the liquid. In this way a remote line will work fine, though in general remote lines have trouble with anti-syphon tubes because the users occasionally lay down. However, the remote line itself usually lets the liquid expand into a gas somewhat anyway. The straw pointing down is actually a syphon tube. It can be either a stiff copper tube like the anti-syphon or a flexible tube with a weight on the end (the second is actually more effective). Why would someone want that? Because they want to feed liquid CO2 into their marker. And no, that is not always a bad thing. Actually, Tippmann SMG-60/68 and 68-Specials need liquid CO2 to maintain a high RoF and were designed for this. Additionally, pump markers don't particularly care and may actually have better performance in cold weather if using liquid CO2. Yes, I did say better performance. If you don't believe me, check out this article from Doc's Machine Shop: http://www.docsmachine.com/tech/liquid.html - http://www.docsmachine.com/tech/liquid.html
------------- A-5: 12" Ceramic, Egrip/WAS/Duel, HPA, MP5 sliding stock SMG-68: 12" Ceramic 68-Specials(8): 12"&14" Ceramic, 12V Revy *** 1 Tip-n-Strip, 1 Blue, 1 FA w/Qloader SL-68: 14" Ceramic SMG-60 Ext. Line |
Posted By: ncbbh88
Date Posted: 18 August 2004 at 5:55pm
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ok someone pm me on this one &nb sp; i have a regular pure energy co2 tank and the valve was loose not coming off. so i took it down stairs locked the valve into a vice carefully so as not to damage ne thing and twisted the tank until it was tighter i havent filled it yet and i dont get it filled at a store so should i have it checked before filling? ------------- http://img203.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img203&image=kerrypyle0nt.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Play Maker27
Date Posted: 27 August 2004 at 10:58am
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Posted By: Play Maker27
Date Posted: 30 August 2004 at 2:36pm
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negative? ------------- Tippmann A-5 -E-Grip -Unimount -32* Remote -Blade Trigger -Redz Harness -Flatline Barrel -Palmers Stabalizer Fund: 117/680 |
Posted By: Ruff Neck - 32
Date Posted: 30 August 2004 at 3:12pm
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Good job Kevin, It is good for anyone about to get an anti siphon to read this! In fact, when I got an anti siphon installed in my tank it was unscrewing from the valve!! I took it off the gun with a wrench (which I don't recomend anyone does, just take it right to your pro shop) and took it to a pro shop. ------------- Tippmann A-5 -E-Grip -Unimount -32* Remote -Blade Trigger -Redz Harness -Flatline Barrel -Palmers Stabalizer Fund: 118/680 |
Posted By: sandman3690
Date Posted: 30 August 2004 at 3:38pm
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------------- Exit:light Enter:night Take my hand We're off to never never land -Metallica |
Posted By: Dire Wolf
Date Posted: 14 September 2004 at 5:00pm
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Sorry for sounding heartless here, but how stupid can you get ?
If you manage to unscrew the valve OFF a tank and not notice it you shouldnt be near ANYTHING thats high pressure. How many turns to take a tank out of the ASA at any rat ? It takes more turns to take out the valve. Anyway thats a couple more Darwin awards out of the way. Evolution is the biznatch. 
The only people I do care for are innocent bystanders. ------------- Tippman A-5 "Dead On" Army green reciever - 12" Lapco Bigshot/ Flatline - Palmer Male Stabilizer - Dead On dropforward - Dead On front grip - E-grip -Crossfire 88/4500 Stubby. |
Posted By: CidHighwind
Date Posted: 29 September 2004 at 7:45pm
DireWolf, If you hear the hissing, it may already be too late. The tank has up to 1800 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH of pressure. This can easily unscrew the tank the rest of the way for you. Also note, that some people still unscrew the tanks without firing the pressure away. This causes a hissing noise, so they may mistake the hissing of valve separation for that of the ASA. I stopped doing this once when the Pin Valve stuck (due to pressure not being released) and upon removing the tank, it flew back toward me for a foot. |
Posted By: Alfablue
Date Posted: 16 October 2004 at 11:29pm
| i kno i'm gonna sound like a newb, but what's an anti-siphon? |
Posted By: rmorey
Date Posted: 17 October 2004 at 7:36pm
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An anti-siphon tank is a co2 tank setup with an anti-siphon tube. This tube is positioned to that it's harder for liquid co2 to get into your gun (just like a how a snorkel works for a diver).
------------- You are never beaten until you admit it. - G. Patton |
Posted By: iron fist (luc)
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 11:30pm
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I am just about to add install a anti siphon on my PMI 20oz tank, I would like to verify with people to know if locktight is a suficiant sealer, so that my tank dosen't become a rocket and kill someone. By the way it is the red locktight that is said to never come off in any curcomstance. Not even with lockthight blue. I just wan't to know if it will work please reply by emailing me at mailto:dominion_king_luc@hotmail.com - dominion_king_luc@hotmail.com ------------- it rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again M98c flatline 4+1 pod harness remote hose 20oz 12oz on/off valve w/anti siphon car stock red dot dcope dounle trigger vforce helm |
Posted By: TheLastSpartan
Date Posted: 12 November 2004 at 11:10am
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Thanks for this article. I'm going to paint a line on my tank and valve just in case. ------------- A-5 7.5" Bigshot Lapco Flash Supressor SpecOps Foregrip Lapco Offset Lapco Bottomline Hogue Handall Grip Polished Internals Maddmann Spring Kit R5 Remote Line 3-point Tactical Sling |
Posted By: LordCaliber
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 1:52pm
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just wondering dont have to worry about this do i if i have a regular 20 ounce pure energy tank?
------------- We who are about to die salute you. -Gladiators i love this job more then i love my taffy and im a man that loves his taffy- ~family guy rules~ YA YA representin |
Posted By: Kevin Z
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 9:55pm
The problem is caused by improper installation of an anti-siphon. But, there has been a great deal of speculation that it has happened to new tanks. ------------- United States Marine Corps.... When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight! Just say NO to junk mods |
Posted By: xzTippmannA5xz
Date Posted: 24 November 2004 at 9:32am
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HEY! Isn't that slogan in your name from the Navy?! ------------- 
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Posted By: Dawrr
Date Posted: 14 December 2004 at 2:16pm
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I knew someone who wanted to MIG Weld a stock piece to their CO2 tank, and they didn't know if it was full or not (I know... stupid) So... I convinced them not to. Imagine that... 4500psi GO BOOM BOOM!!!!! But... Now that I think about it... Aluminum doesn't conduct electricity well, so the MIG welder would have a struggle to contact electricity, but when it does... BBAAMM!!! ------------- Smart Parts Shocker SFT Vision PE 48/3k All-Am. 14" Barrel Q-loader kit Eggy2 Z-boarded NDZ V3 He Bolt 34 bps A-5, E-gripped WAS board to come 16" Werks JC F/X Stock Q-loader 30 bps |
Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 14 December 2004 at 7:15pm
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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 14 December 2004 at 7:21pm
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im glad this was posted, i just painted a white line on my tank....what if that happened to one of the tanks that you fill C02 tanks with.... ow
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Posted By: -PREDATOR-
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 8:56pm
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wow....i thought the one about the 15 yr old was a rumor...kinda scary. ------------- WHOEVER *reb* IS WHY WOULD YOU THINK I HAVE AN OVERSIZED SIG!?!?!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!THIS FORUM HAS THE WORST MODS EVER!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: warrior75w
Date Posted: 18 December 2004 at 9:57pm
| im gettin annoyed ive heard tons of stuff about anti-siphons but i dont no what the hell they r will some1 please tell me |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 9:06pm
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^^^^^^^ Anti-siphons are put in your co2 canisters and it faces upward inside the canister so no liquid co2 will enter. Very smart idea, in my opinion.
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Posted By: paintball-mad
Date Posted: 27 December 2004 at 6:50pm
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hi all its alright saying use locktite but its a bit useless unless used correctly so hope this helps determine what type you are going to use. locktite 242 (blue) is a thread retainer and will seperate at 60ft Lb" cure in 24 hours. locktite 601 (red) high strength retainer will separate at 220 ft Lb cures in 24 - 48 hours locktite 270 or 2701 (green) high strength retainer separates at 350 ft Lb cures in 24 - 72 hours make sure all parts are clean, use a brass wire brush to clean the valve and if posible the bottle threads. remove all traces of oil and grease from the parts with i.P.A or locktitew 7063. place enough locktite to fill the threads, remove any access and assemble, screw in till tight not just hand tite then leave to cure. i have only ever used locktite 242 as this can be disassembled cold as aposed to 601 and 270 this needs to be warmed up befoer you can split it.. please i can not stress this enough, make absolutley sure your bottles are empty before working on them. play fare and play safe |
Posted By: tend0686
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 7:40am
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WHHOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAA?????!!!!! Are you saying use blue lock-tite and only hand tight. WHAD-R-U-NUTZ?! It seems to be that the proper way to do this is using a Torque Wrench to tighten the valve to 38 ft/lbs with blue lock-tite. If you don't know what that means, don't mess with your tanks, if not for your own saftey but for others as well. Damn, hand tight, did you do the installs on the two tanks that came apart and killed two people. I think they should just make the tank valve non-removable, if you want anti-syphon, order it from the factory, if you want an on-off, order it from the factory. That would be the smartest idea, all they have to do is, A) just give you an extra o-ring to place in the ASA to get the syphon to the top, or B) make the damn pins in the ASA adjustable, that is easy, some guns already have that, they just use a pin that you can screw in and out with an allen key, make that pin have a nylon-lock-nut type idea to keep them from moving on their own, or just lock-tite. |
Posted By: tend0686
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 7:42am
The valve UNSCREWED from the tank, large Volumn of co2 at high pressures rocketed the tank into two people's heads. This is why I say tanks should have non-removable valves.... |
Posted By: paintfreek44
Date Posted: 14 February 2005 at 1:29pm
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i agree in two ways they should come removable for the
people who now what there are doing and &nb sp; the tanks should have a standard one built in for the people who are new to the game play safe everyone
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Posted By: Dire Wolf
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:36pm
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I'll repeat again If you manage to unscrew a tank valve/reg while its filled and not notice and manage to kill someone its criminal negligence atleast...the threads are a good bit longer than ASA threads.
HP equipment DEMANDS care and attention, if you don't know how to do something do NOT do it. Yes, this includes unscrewing a tank. If you hear someone saying they want to paint their macrohose do me a favor and slap em silly. I've had a piece of macrohose impact my goggles when I just put my goggles on, was lucky to be wearing em since this was the "safe" zone. You do not need solvents potentially leaching any strength of a plastic hose. Macrohose degrades under influence of solvents or sun light, change it when needed. ------------- Tippman A-5 "Dead On" Army green reciever - 12" Lapco Bigshot/ Flatline - Palmer Male Stabilizer - Dead On dropforward - Dead On front grip - E-grip -Crossfire 88/4500 Stubby. |
Posted By: house
Date Posted: 25 April 2005 at 1:51pm
| thank you captian oblivious. |
Posted By: sn0wie
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:15pm
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Good job Kevin. I was going to get an A/S tank within the next week. I appreciate that :) ------------- Felicibus brevis misera hora longa. dico ego procul vado procul per nusquam velum. Devoco Ignis. Adustum orbis terrarum. |
Posted By: stalker77
Date Posted: 25 May 2005 at 6:14pm
| wow thats crazy..im seeing if my local pro-shop can install anti-syphons right now... i might get an on/off switch on my co2 too... Great post man...wow |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 09 June 2005 at 4:01pm
All this info should fall under the category of common sense.
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Posted By: EriK6
Date Posted: 21 June 2005 at 5:19pm
| Its common sense |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 02 July 2005 at 11:00pm
I will it was, but most people lack that now. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 4:57am
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i've been lacking common sense for a long time. I guess that's how I got into paintball...just pure craziness. ------------- 
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Posted By: 98cowboy
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:35pm
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be carefull boys and girls ------------- GO BUCKS!!! |
Posted By: A5 Man
Date Posted: 17 July 2005 at 4:13am
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any one here about the kid in cail?? whit the n2 tank
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Posted By: HeadshotJester
Date Posted: 21 July 2005 at 10:24pm
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dude the same thing about the C02 tank flying off happened to my friend! he was running in woodball and tripped and cracked it off on a rock and the thing shot around like a bottle rocket on steroids, it bounced off like every tree like a freakin pinball game. it scared teh hell out of all of us in the wood because that thing sounds like a fighter jet takin off. hehe imagine what the neighbors thought...... ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: rockoutboy
Date Posted: 24 July 2005 at 1:11pm
| my tank does that but i don't have a anti-siphen tube |
Posted By: shadowsniper158
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 3:09am
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Actually, the local field I play at requires the tank be taken off by a ref. The Ref actually uses a wrench to take the tank out of the asa. *Turns the burst disk, not the tank*. I was there the 30th of july and they actually kicked a kid out for taking his own tank off. They also mark the burst disk and tank when they fill the tanks. Im just glad it was brought to attention, I also play woodsball with a good bit of friends and im gonna mark there tanks next time we play, better be safe then sorry. ------------- =============== SARGE A-5 (Stock) |
Posted By: Xspyderman
Date Posted: 15 September 2005 at 5:04pm
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Posted By: A-5_massacre
Date Posted: 07 October 2005 at 1:45am
| Never leave your CO2 in the heat or it will blow and there goes your day of paintballing unless you have a spare. |
Posted By: clownshooter
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 10:42pm
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Sorry dudes but I have to disagree! I have been filling my own CO2 tanks for years and I install my own anti-siphon tubes in my tanks. I have had to re-align siphon tubes in some of my tanks when I changed markers so the AS tube would be up. I won't for liability purposes argue in favor of any particular strength of loctite, but I will say that if you properly clean and de-grease the valve threads, apply loctite according to the manufacturers instructions, and properly tighten the tank valve you will have no problems. Marking the valve to tank position with a permanent visible mark is also a good idea. When disassembling tanks in which I have previously installed an anti-siphon, I had to warm them first and then it was still difficult to unscrew the tank valve from the tank. When warming a tank to break loose the thread locker, it helps to screw a spare ASA adapter onto the tank to prevent pressure build-up from the heated air in the tank. If you have a tank valve with an open/close valve, be sure to open the valve before warming the tank. For the record, I have never endangered anyone by my actions or modifications to my tanks nor will I fill an outdated CO2 tank. |